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Will Limas Sweed ever be a good WR? (1 Viewer)

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I saw Sweed miss some wide open balls this year.

Does anyone think he will not be a bust and produce for the Steelers when given the chance?

PPR dynasty league.

 
no, wasn't good in college. Was old coming into the league. Made a name from circus catches, has never been consistent with running routes or catching the ball.

Still worth a roster spot, but he'll never be a solid fantasy WR.

 
Not sure answer to this yet. Ward's days are about done! Washington is being let go.

He might just surprise you all as soon as next year. See how soon they draft a receiver in April. That might tell a lot to this answer. I saw some good things in him this year late despite dropping some wide open targets. Hey he was open wasn't he?

And remeber Big Ben hand picked him!

 
It doesn't look good as he has dropped way too many passes. However, he is known to have a strong work ethic so he does have that going for him. The bootom line is - can you teach a guy to have good hands? I didn't think so.

 
In the limited times I have seen him play, he's been pretty horrible.

Actually being able to catch a ball would immediately increase his chances.

 
no, wasn't good in college. Was old coming into the league. Made a name from circus catches, has never been consistent with running routes or catching the ball.

Still worth a roster spot, but he'll never be a solid fantasy WR.
At nearly 25, he's old for a player who is so raw, has so little NFL experience and has shown a lack of ability to participate in the complex route running and decision making that is part of an NFL offense.He better improve in a hurry if he is going to be a contributor.

 
People.... Its not his hands. His hands are fine.Its all MENTAL. Which I am afraid to say is worse. Fixable, but a far worse problem.
:confused: Aren't "bad hands" always mental?I mean most NFL receivers hands work fine and in a similar fashion,
 
No, some people do not have the dexterity in their hands or the hand-eye coordination.Thats not Sweeds problem. Think about Santonios Holmes SB drop in the corner... that was mental.He can catch like a mofo... but he had a mental lapse (as he stated, he was too worried about his feet and never considered that he might not catch/whiff the ball) that almost cost him. But he has dandy hands and catches just fine.Now think of Ike Taylor... that mofo cant catch. See the difference?
Concerning his hand-eye coordination... that may be an issue with respect to the corrective lenses and whatever else he was apparently trying out all season long. Hopefully, this can be addressed in the early offseason and he can catch thousands of balls with near-perfect vision before next season begins.Like Ahrn said, it's too early to declare BUST, but nothing we've seen so far is super-encouraging. However, Nate Washington had a number of notable drops his first few seasons and also threw in the occasional mental lapse. He turned out to be effective especially as a field stretcher this year.
 
He is in a very good situation to prove one way or another next season as there will be opportunity. I am not giving up on him yet.

 
I agree with most here that, although signs point toward a lackluster career (moderated made some good points here), he's got the opportunity (WR3 in a good offense with a very good QB and a great frachise) to offer promise this early in his career arc.

 
For record, Sweed was targeted 10 times in the regular season and recorded 6 catches for 64 yards. Of his incompletions, 3 passes were defended and 1 was thrown wide; 0 were dropped. I know that he had a terrible drop in the conference championship game, but unless he was dropping a significant number of balls in practice, this talk about his poor hands might be a bit an overreaction.

 
no, wasn't good in college. Was old coming into the league. Made a name from circus catches, has never been consistent with running routes or catching the ball.

Still worth a roster spot, but he'll never be a solid fantasy WR.
If I didn't read the title of the thread, I would have thought you described Brand Lloyd perfectly.
 
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For record, Sweed was targeted 10 times in the regular season and recorded 6 catches for 64 yards. Of his incompletions, 3 passes were defended and 1 was thrown wide; 0 were dropped. I know that he had a terrible drop in the conference championship game, but unless he was dropping a significant number of balls in practice, this talk about his poor hands might be a bit an overreaction.
Sweed also dropped a pass on a deep route late in the Divisional Round win over the Chargers. Both playoff drops were on deep routes in night games -- again perhaps a matter of vision still needing to be improved.As for the 0 drops, while that might be true officially, that's pretty generous scoring, as I can remember one drop on a semi-tough pass in the regular season as well; can't remember the game, but it's a catch most average NFL receivers make and Sweed did not.
 
Not willing to label him a bust after a year -- But, I'm not overly optimistic.
:rolleyes: Though the one thing in his favor is he is going to have an opportunity. I think it is unlikely the Steelers will re-sign Nate Washington which means the #3 spot is Sweed's to lose (and there isn't much competition behind him).
 
Watching the Steelers at least 10 times last year, for me it seems like Sweed is one of the large portion of players that was just overwhelmed by the difference in speed from the NCAA to the NFL. Beating TCU and Baylor secondaries is a lot different than facing NFL talent on a day to day basis. Combine that with going against the league's best defense in practice, and we have a case for a talented WR with shattered confidence.

This type of situation is why most top receivers have a 3 year window to reach their potential.

If the talent is there, the Steelers will get it out of him. Sooner or later, the burden falls on the player. I'm not sure how much patience Tomlin has with young guys though.

I think there are better dynasty league options out there.

 
A lot of good points made in this thread already. Just going over some of the same ground:

At Texas Sweed was never a polished receiver. He had no crispness in his routes and he played tentative at times. He could make circus catches, but not really physical outfight the DB catches, more like the catches Brandon Lloyd made (as mentioned above). Sweed does have a rare size/speed combination, and he was known as a very hard worker (also mentioned above), so the Steelers felt like they had to take him in the 2nd (just like Mendenhall, a BPA based on rare physical tools more than an advanced game).

What we've seen from Sweed this year has been discouraging. When it's on special teams or offense, he has had some major lapses, and a few times he's looked lost out there. His fake injury reaction to dropping the would be TD in the AFC title game that cost the Steelers three points is almost unforgivable, it revealed something in his personality that wilts when he's faced with adversity - a lack of mental toughness. He was never a "my ball" mentality WR, and I haven't seen signs of that developing in his game. I agree that it's too early to declare him a bust after one season, but the first year of the career of a bust WR does often look like Sweed's.

Digression - It's funny because in Tomlin's first draft, the Steelers took two players they must have zeroed in on early - Timmons and Woodley. I hated the picks because I thought they were precursors to a move to the Cover 2, trashing everything that LeBeau had built, but I was happily wrong when Woodley broke out as an OLB, and Timmons started making an impact on third down this year (although I still think Timmons overaggressiveness can be exploited by a good QB and OC). Last year, the Steelers sort of let the other 31 teams dictate their premium picks. Both Mendenhall and Sweed were players they didnt expect to be there, Im sure they had zeroed in other players to be likely picks, but when the physical specimen at the offensive skill positions fell, they said "we've got to take these guys, right?" This is why having a very small board like the Patriots often have and not deviating from it is an interesting strategy to me, one based on clarity about who fits in physically, mentally, spiritually, etc, and not letting tools, upside, or potential dictate picks.

 
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For record, Sweed was targeted 10 times in the regular season and recorded 6 catches for 64 yards. Of his incompletions, 3 passes were defended and 1 was thrown wide; 0 were dropped. I know that he had a terrible drop in the conference championship game, but unless he was dropping a significant number of balls in practice, this talk about his poor hands might be a bit an overreaction.
I think everyone is just remembering the terrible wide open drops in the playoffs because they have little else to go by.I wasn't too high on Sweed coming in, but if you did draft him in a dyansty you have to give him a little more time then one season. Hell I have Earl Bennett and Devin Thomas rostered. If I beleived in them pre-draft, I'm going to give them more than one season. Most WRs don't burst on the scene, we get spoiled by guys like Desean Jackson and Eddie Royal.
 
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I agree with the majority that right now the issue at hand (no pun intended... ok well maybe) is that Sweed's catching ability is definitely questionable

HOWEVER.

Limas towards the end of the season started running EXCELLENT routes and was getting a great deal of seperation on alot of plays (Pass from Leftwich Week 17 vs. Browns and 2 playoff game drops definitely show his breakaway ability)

If Sweed can get a better grasp on how to catch, with combination of his innate abilities such as size and speed, he can be quite a dangerous player; in reality and fantasy.

Until then.... I'd let him sit on the fantasy pine until he becomes much more consistent.

 
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Last year, the Steelers sort of let the other 31 teams dictate their premium picks. Both Mendenhall and Sweed were players they didnt expect to be there, Im sure they had zeroed in other players to be likely picks, but when the physical specimen at the offensive skill positions fell, they said "we've got to take these guys, right?" This is why having a very small board like the Patriots often have and not deviating from it is an interesting strategy to me, one based on clarity about who fits in physically, mentally, spiritually, etc, and not letting tools, upside, or potential dictate picks.
Maybe but the Patriots have had their fair share of high round busts. Chad Jackson instantly comes to mind and the jury is still out on Maroney but so far he has been a disappointment.
 
A lot of good points made in this thread already. Just going over some of the same ground:At Texas Sweed was never a polished receiver. He had no crispness in his routes and he played tentative at times. He could make circus catches, but not really physical outfight the DB catches, more like the catches Brandon Lloyd made (as mentioned above). Sweed does have a rare size/speed combination, and he was known as a very hard worker (also mentioned above), so the Steelers felt like they had to take him in the 2nd (just like Mendenhall, a BPA based on rare physical tools more than an advanced game).What we've seen from Sweed this year has been discouraging. When it's on special teams or offense, he has had some major lapses, and a few times he's looked lost out there. His fake injury reaction to dropping the would be TD in the AFC title game that cost the Steelers three points is almost unforgivable, it revealed something in his personality that wilts when he's faced with adversity - a lack of mental toughness. He was never a "my ball" mentality WR, and I haven't seen signs of that developing in his game. I agree that it's too early to declare him a bust after one season, but the first year of the career of a bust WR does often look like Sweed's. Digression - It's funny because in Tomlin's first draft, the Steelers took two players they must have zeroed in on early - Timmons and Woodley. I hated the picks because I thought they were precursors to a move to the Cover 2, trashing everything that LeBeau had built, but I was happily wrong when Woodley broke out as an OLB, and Timmons started making an impact on third down this year (although I still think Timmons overaggressiveness can be exploited by a good QB and OC). Last year, the Steelers sort of let the other 31 teams dictate their premium picks. Both Mendenhall and Sweed were players they didnt expect to be there, Im sure they had zeroed in other players to be likely picks, but when the physical specimen at the offensive skill positions fell, they said "we've got to take these guys, right?" This is why having a very small board like the Patriots often have and not deviating from it is an interesting strategy to me, one based on clarity about who fits in physically, mentally, spiritually, etc, and not letting tools, upside, or potential dictate picks.
:confused: Excellent read...Always love your insight, Bloom...
 
Digression - It's funny because in Tomlin's first draft, the Steelers took two players they must have zeroed in on early - Timmons and Woodley. I hated the picks because I thought they were precursors to a move to the Cover 2, trashing everything that LeBeau had built, but I was happily wrong when Woodley broke out as an OLB, and Timmons started making an impact on third down this year (although I still think Timmons overaggressiveness can be exploited by a good QB and OC). Last year, the Steelers sort of let the other 31 teams dictate their premium picks. Both Mendenhall and Sweed were players they didnt expect to be there, Im sure they had zeroed in other players to be likely picks, but when the physical specimen at the offensive skill positions fell, they said "we've got to take these guys, right?" This is why having a very small board like the Patriots often have and not deviating from it is an interesting strategy to me, one based on clarity about who fits in physically, mentally, spiritually, etc, and not letting tools, upside, or potential dictate picks.
:towelwave:What is the Seinfeld Kramer quote? "You just blew my mind"
 
One more thing to note outside of his huge drop in the conference championship game. Once Ward went out injured, he became one of the guys Ben relied on to move the chains and in that role he did quite well. It could just be a matter of opportunity for the guy meaning the more he plays, the better he will get. I was encouraged what I saw in that game, making clutch catches to keep drives alive. :football:

 
Both playoff drops were on deep routes in night games -- again perhaps a matter of vision still needing to be improved.
Do you have a link to a story about this vision problem? I have a hard time believing a star athlete doesn't somehow have his vision corrected before the age of 25. How hard can it be?
 
People.... Its not his hands. His hands are fine.Its all MENTAL. Which I am afraid to say is worse. Fixable, but a far worse problem.
From what I hear, this is the case... but not exactly in the way this thread is taking it.Mental more as in, he doesn't understand the playbook... which might be the hardest thing to overcome.
 
Both playoff drops were on deep routes in night games -- again perhaps a matter of vision still needing to be improved.
Do you have a link to a story about this vision problem? I have a hard time believing a star athlete doesn't somehow have his vision corrected before the age of 25. How hard can it be?
When I hear about teams doing this, I almost wonder if it's a placebo effect strategy - get the kid new contacts or lasik and then he'll feel like the problem is solved and relax out there.
 
Both playoff drops were on deep routes in night games -- again perhaps a matter of vision still needing to be improved.
Do you have a link to a story about this vision problem? I have a hard time believing a star athlete doesn't somehow have his vision corrected before the age of 25. How hard can it be?
When I hear about teams doing this, I almost wonder if it's a placebo effect strategy - get the kid new contacts or lasik and then he'll feel like the problem is solved and relax out there.
I could buy that.
 
The bottom line for dynasty leagues - the OPs original question - is that Sweed not having an immediate impact, and being remembered more for poor play than promising play in his rookie year probably opens up a small buy low window. There's no reason to seek trading Sweed right now, I doubt you could get better than a mid to late 2nd, and the skill player class this year isn't nearly as deep as last year, so that seems like treading water. Sweed is not a bad player to ask for as a throw-in, simply because opportunity should come soon, and his value has bottomed out for now. His value might continue to slide next year a la Dwayne Jarrett, but what you'll pay right now isn't that far off of what his value will be at this time in 2010 if 2009 goes like 2008 did for Sweed.

 
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Both playoff drops were on deep routes in night games -- again perhaps a matter of vision still needing to be improved.
Do you have a link to a story about this vision problem? I have a hard time believing a star athlete doesn't somehow have his vision corrected before the age of 25. How hard can it be?
When I hear about teams doing this, I almost wonder if it's a placebo effect strategy - get the kid new contacts or lasik and then he'll feel like the problem is solved and relax out there.
Untreated astigmatism in both eyes, like Sweed had, is a definite issue.Article

Steeler Limas Sweed 'Can See Clearly Now'

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Steelers wide receiver Limas Sweed

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Rookie wide receiver Limas Sweed returned to practice today, one day after being forced from the St. Vincent practice fields with cramps.

But it wasn't recovering from the cramps that had the Steelers second round draft pick smiling. "I got my eyes checked out and found out I had a little astigmatism in both of my eyes."

While Sweed had glasses as a small child, he thought he'd outgrown the need and could see fine. "I didn't think it was a big deal," Sweed said. "But I found out I had a little eye problem and the guy put the glasses on me and I was like man I can see clear."

Sweed fully expects to do even better in training camp now that he can see the ball.

As for the cramps, the Texas standout says, "I'm a natural sweater, I sweat out a lot of salt and I forgot about that and I was just out there running around and got excited and I forgot about taking the salt tablet pills so I'm taking the salt tablet pills and I'll be fine."
 
Not sure answer to this yet. Ward's days are about done! Washington is being let go.

He might just surprise you all as soon as next year. See how soon they draft a receiver in April. That might tell a lot to this answer. I saw some good things in him this year late despite dropping some wide open targets. Hey he was open wasn't he?

And remeber Big Ben hand picked him!
Don't agree with bolded part. I wouldn't write off Ward just yet. I recall Rod Smith producing for a number of years after he was supposedly "done". Ward brings so much more to the team than just being a WR.
 
Both playoff drops were on deep routes in night games -- again perhaps a matter of vision still needing to be improved.
Do you have a link to a story about this vision problem? I have a hard time believing a star athlete doesn't somehow have his vision corrected before the age of 25. How hard can it be?
When I hear about teams doing this, I almost wonder if it's a placebo effect strategy - get the kid new contacts or lasik and then he'll feel like the problem is solved and relax out there.
Untreated astigmatism in both eyes, like Sweed had, is a definite issue.
It's obviously hard to judge the effect without knowing the severity of the problem but I have a hard time believing that it's that big an issue. If he has a severe amount of astigmatism, then certainly it would have an effect but he also would have likely known that he had not "outgrown it". If it's just a "little" as he suggests, it likely has little effect, but then you correct it and it's over. There's just little chance that if he knows about it in July, he's still having trouble getting it corrected in December.
 
I wanted to cut him on the spot when he dropped that pass and then laid around in the end zone like a lummox, but I DID like the fact that he came back to make a savage block on Ivy and broke up a likely interception with a nice "defensive" play afterwards. I was ready to write the guy off as having no heart, but he got pissed and at least partially atoned for his awful play earlier. It was enough to give him another chance in my eyes.

 
Sweed has a huge opportunity to excel next season. I think by 2011 the kid will develop into a nice deep threat.

 
I wanted to cut him on the spot when he dropped that pass and then laid around in the end zone like a lummox, but I DID like the fact that he came back to make a savage block on Ivy and broke up a likely interception with a nice "defensive" play afterwards. I was ready to write the guy off as having no heart, but he got pissed and at least partially atoned for his awful play earlier. It was enough to give him another chance in my eyes.
He also came back and made a nice catch for a 1st down later in the game. As others have said he is going to have an opprtunity to show what he can do next season. It should be interesting to see how he does...
 
Not sure answer to this yet. Ward's days are about done! Washington is being let go.

He might just surprise you all as soon as next year. See how soon they draft a receiver in April. That might tell a lot to this answer. I saw some good things in him this year late despite dropping some wide open targets. Hey he was open wasn't he?

And remeber Big Ben hand picked him!
Uh....Ward's days are about done? What?He just had one of his best seasons in a few years in 2008. I certainly have not seen any drop in play at all from him this last year, and I've seen every Steelers game. He has another good 3-4 years left in him.

 
Not sure answer to this yet. Ward's days are about done! Washington is being let go.

He might just surprise you all as soon as next year. See how soon they draft a receiver in April. That might tell a lot to this answer. I saw some good things in him this year late despite dropping some wide open targets. Hey he was open wasn't he?

And remeber Big Ben hand picked him!
Uh....Ward's days are about done? What?He just had one of his best seasons in a few years in 2008. I certainly have not seen any drop in play at all from him this last year, and I've seen every Steelers game. He has another good 3-4 years left in him.
:lmao: Barring serious injury, he can essentially play as long as he wants. He never had the type of speed that you lose as you get older, making deep threats ineffective. He blocks, he runs good routes, he has good hands, he makes clutch plays. These skills fade a lot more slowly than footspeed.

 
Barring serious injury, he can essentially play as long as he wants. He never had the type of speed that you lose as you get older, making deep threats ineffective. He blocks, he runs good routes, he has good hands, he makes clutch plays. These skills fade a lot more slowly than footspeed.
True, but the physical wear and tear still catches up with every player, and with his style, perhaps more quickly. Exactly how long he can maintain his current level and how long before major productivity dips occur is pure speculation, but the game takes its toll on everyone.
 
For record, Sweed was targeted 10 times in the regular season and recorded 6 catches for 64 yards. Of his incompletions, 3 passes were defended and 1 was thrown wide; 0 were dropped. I know that he had a terrible drop in the conference championship game, but unless he was dropping a significant number of balls in practice, this talk about his poor hands might be a bit an overreaction.
:popcorn: I was almost bamboozled by these other posters blowing smoke about Sweed's catching. For a rookie to drop a pass in a playoff game--that's no surprise. I love his opportunity next season as the likely WR3 on a team that has a good QB. None of you really know because we didn't see him play enough. The Steelers don't use four WRs often so he just wasn't on field that much. And it sounds like he didn't drop the ball nearly as much as some of you are pretending.Incidentally, a 60% conversion rate on targets is very good and definitely above average for a rookie WR. I can remember one year when TOs was around 43%.
 
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Much too early to pass judgment on Sweed. I feel sure Mike Tomlin will be on Sweed this offseason, especially if Nate Washington leaves. Steelers rookies haven't been very productive in recent years because of their depth. The fact that Sweed got so wide-open on the bomb in the AFC Championship Game is a good sign. Catching the ball should come with experience, see Nate Washington. I also wouldn't rule out the Steelers bringing in a low-cost vet WR to compete for WR3 (assuming Nate leaves). The lure of a Super Bowl ring will help recruiting.

 
I also wouldn't rule out the Steelers bringing in a low-cost vet WR to compete for WR3 (assuming Nate leaves).
:lmao: I fully expect the Steelers to sign a vet WR to compete with Sweed for WR3 if Nate leaves.
There isn't much out there after Housh and they certainly won't sign him. I don't see anyone else out there who is much of a threat to steal too many looks.
Just saw Marty Booker was cut today, Jerry Porter yesterday and Mike Furrey last week. I'm sure there will be at least 5-10 similar vets that will be available at minimum cost. Those are solid WR3 competition for Sweed if Nate departs.
 
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I also wouldn't rule out the Steelers bringing in a low-cost vet WR to compete for WR3 (assuming Nate leaves).
:thumbup: I fully expect the Steelers to sign a vet WR to compete with Sweed for WR3 if Nate leaves.
There isn't much out there after Housh and they certainly won't sign him. I don't see anyone else out there who is much of a threat to steal too many looks.
Just saw Marty Booker was cut today, Jerry Porter yesterday and Mike Furrey last week. I'm sure there will be at least 5-10 similar vets that will be available at minimum cost. Those are solid WR3 competition for Sweed if Nate departs.
And you see these guys as threats?Booker got cut from the Bears. What did he do last year?Porter got cut by the Jags. What has he done ever? He had one year a long time ago when he came close to 1000 yards. He has never been that good.Booker will be lucky to sign with any team at all. Porter will for vet minimum but he isn't that young or that good.Furrey is 31. He had one good, but not great year in 2006. He will sign somewhere and he will compete and have a chance to be a starter but I doubt anyone is going to hand him a starting job.
 
Frenchy Fuqua said:
I also wouldn't rule out the Steelers bringing in a low-cost vet WR to compete for WR3 (assuming Nate leaves).
:confused: I fully expect the Steelers to sign a vet WR to compete with Sweed for WR3 if Nate leaves.
There isn't much out there after Housh and they certainly won't sign him. I don't see anyone else out there who is much of a threat to steal too many looks.
Just saw Marty Booker was cut today, Jerry Porter yesterday and Mike Furrey last week. I'm sure there will be at least 5-10 similar vets that will be available at minimum cost. Those are solid WR3 competition for Sweed if Nate departs.
And you see these guys as threats?Booker got cut from the Bears. What did he do last year?Porter got cut by the Jags. What has he done ever? He had one year a long time ago when he came close to 1000 yards. He has never been that good.Booker will be lucky to sign with any team at all. Porter will for vet minimum but he isn't that young or that good.Furrey is 31. He had one good, but not great year in 2006. He will sign somewhere and he will compete and have a chance to be a starter but I doubt anyone is going to hand him a starting job.
Its worse than that. Booker is pretty much done. I would say Furrey has close to a zero chance of being a starter. And Porter may be such a locker room poison that no one will sign him until in-season when hit by injuries.
 

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