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Will Lions fans stand for another early WR pick? (1 Viewer)

Sinrman

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Simple question. Since Calvin Johnson has declared, and a decent chance that Detroit would take him at 1.02, would the Detroit fans stand for it? We've been burned twice now in the last few years (Rogers and Mike Williams), and it's turned into a running joke (rightfully so, I must admit). But IF Detroit were to take him, would fans accept it, or would it turn them against the management even further (pretend like it could go even further down the toilet)?

 
Would I mind adding another great player on our team? no.

Having said that, I would prefer Thomas or even trading down similar to a few years ago when we scored two first round picks.

 
How have Lions fans stood for the team that they have had in the Millen era in the first place?

If the Lions select Johnson, the fans will grumble after they hear the position. Then they will smile after they see the highlight reel.

 
No, the Lions need O-Line help. Doesn't matter who the WR is if the QB is constantly getting pressured by a DL two seconds after he snaps the ball. Forget the WR.

 
How have Lions fans stood for the team that they have had in the Millen era in the first place?If the Lions select Johnson, the fans will grumble after they hear the position. Then they will smile after they see the highlight reel.
Bloom, I agree with what you're saying here, but will the highlights turn into wins? I'm not convinced on this, most important, point.
 
One more first round WR pick by Millen and it's officially his "shtick". I say, "Go for it!" :cry:
I'm almost positive Millen is going for a WR in the 1st! Who knows he may bury his whole draft with wideouts! Remember all those winning organizations starting wideouts on the offense and defensive lines!! Those were the days! :mellow:
 
The only team in the NFL that pays two WR's stud money is the Colts, and we all know what this has done to their cap, and thus money available for the defense.

One stud WR is plenty for any franchise, IMO.

 
How have Lions fans stood for the team that they have had in the Millen era in the first place?If the Lions select Johnson, the fans will grumble after they hear the position. Then they will smile after they see the highlight reel.
Bloom, I agree with what you're saying here, but will the highlights turn into wins? I'm not convinced on this, most important, point.
mike furrey had 90 rec for 1000yds and along with BMW they have enough to lineup along side roy. i'm sure johnson will be a very good WR, but there are other more pressing needs like OL, LB, CB, S, QB. a WR at 2 makes no sense. that said, i look forward to calvin johnson being a lion.
 
Would I mind adding another great player on our team? no.Having said that, I would prefer Thomas or even trading down similar to a few years ago when we scored two first round picks.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I wholeheartedly agree that Thomas would be a very nice pick. Trading down would be nice too. I'd like for Detroit to do any of those three things -- draft Thomas, draft Johnson, or trade down.
 
Its not like the Lions are one key player away from being a better team. They should select the best player available to up the overall talent on their roster.

 
The Lions have Roy Williams and Mike Furrey. They'd be stupid to select Johnson - Their top 2 receivers are great.

 
No chance, Wr is not what they need. A new GM is and they could use help on D. If they take another WR as their draft choice, I will laugh my guts out.

 
i thought they took simms last year in the first round

im guessing marinelli will have enough input that they wont draft wr in the first

 
From the results of the Millen Man March, I highly doubt Lions fans can do anything en masse, so the answer is no.

 
How have Lions fans stood for the team that they have had in the Millen era in the first place?

If the Lions select Johnson, the fans will grumble after they hear the position. Then they will smile after they see the highlight reel.
This could be said for BMW or Chuck Rogers when they were drafted. No way Millen drafts another WR in the 1st. They made that mistake before and have got to get some other things shored up. Their top 2 RBs, for instance have major injuries to recover from. Their O line needs help. Kitna is not the long term answer. Defensively they need some work. Meanwhile, Roy & Furrey look pretty stable to me.

 
I don't that organization cares a lot about what it's fans think. Ford must be living under a rock.

 
The Lions don't have a need at WR. It's one of the few bright spots on the team.

I hear Joe Thomas mentioned all the time, but the Lions don't have a need at left tackle. They have Jeff Backus, who is overpaid and overrated but Millen made a commitment to him with a huge contract. They have a need at just about every other line position, but you don't draft a guy like Thomas #2 overall and then kick him over to the right side.

The position I think the Lions would be best suited to draft is CB. Dre Bly is getting old and Fernando Bryant is horrible. A young corner with shutdown potential would offer the best combination of instant impact and long-term potential. And from what I understand there are several good ones in this draft.

 
I'm convinced based on NFL draft history that teams should not select a WR at the top of the 1st round. It seems that there are more busts at that spot than any other position including QB. And it's always a position where depth can be found in the later rounds. Every year it seems there is a highly touted WR that goes early, only to become a roster casualty within a few years. From J.J. Stokes to Yatil Green to Peter Warrick to David Terrell to Charles Rogers. There's a horror story every year at this spot.

The only exception I can remember is 1996, where there were 5 stud WR taken in the first round: Keyshawn, Glenn, Kennison, Harrison, and Moulds. All of these guys have had decent to great careers. But I guess my point is that even if you passed on all 5 of them in the first round, you could have still picked up Mushin Muhammed in the 2nd round, Terrell Owens in the 3rd, or Joe Horn in the 5th.

 
Its not like the Lions are one key player away from being a better team. They should select the best player available to up the overall talent on their roster.
:goodposting: :) Unless somehow they think Furrey or Williams is some kind of player. Didn't see much Lions action this year but BMW barely played and as far as I know Furrey is a retread who put up big numbers playing in a Martz offense. Not saying Furrey isn't a useful player but there's probably no way in hell I'd pass over a potential HOF caliber player just to start plugging in holes on an already talent bare roster. This is assuming my scouting staff has selected this young stud WR as the best player available.

I read earlier the guy posting about the Colts and how having Wayne and Harrison has screwed up their cap situation. Well, they've got a guy named Manning hauling in some serious coin as well. The Lions HAVE to be in some kind of DECENT cap situation because all their players suck. :shock: To boot, if BMW doesn't do something soon I'm guessing he'll be a cut.

 
I'd be seriously pissed if they took any WR that high. Like many have said above, they certainly don't need a WR. Roy is damn solid, and Furrey has emerged as a great weapon. Hell, I don't even think they're ready to give up on Mike Williams yet. The Lions proved that they have a legitimate (yes, also inconsistent) offense. They need to focus on many other positions, including defense.

 
Mr. Calvin is an absolute BEAST.

In fact, I think I'd rather have him than Roy Williams. At least calvin won't say, "It was stupid how close we were to scoring 40 points" when the team gets beat 36-9.

 
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The Lions HAVE to be in some kind of DECENT cap situation because all their players suck. :goodposting:
:) You should see what they're paying Jeff Backus, Ross Verba, Fernando Bryant, Josh McCown and of course Mike Williams.Matt Millen's biggest mistake hasn't been drafting WRs high. It's been overpaying mediocre free agents.
 
It seems to me like they should draft Jamarcus Russell and have him hold a clipboard for Kitna for a year and then take over the QB position

 
FWIW, Lions fans will stand for a whole heckuva lot. Watching the Lions waste the career of an all-time great RB in the 1990's is a lot more painful than watching Millen keep a bad team bad.

In a sense, it doesn't even matter who Millen takes at 1.02... what have we got to lose?

And as somebody else posted, Ford doesn't care what the fans think anyway. His callous ineptitude is well known. The Lions are to the rest of the NFL as Ford Motor Co. is to Honda.

 
Watching the Lions waste the career of an all-time great RB in the 1990's is a lot more painful than watching Millen keep a bad team bad.
:ph34r: Barry Sanders, Herman Moore, Brett Perriman, Kevin Glover, Lomas Brown, Robert Porcher, Luther Elliss, Chris Spielman, Bennie Blades and it all adds up to 9-7? So frustrating.If the Lions could have hired a real coach instead of Fontes, and gone after Warren Moon instead of Scott Mitchell, I think they'd have won a Super Bowl.
 
The Lions HAVE to be in some kind of DECENT cap situation because all their players suck. :thumbup:
:stalker: You should see what they're paying Jeff Backus, Ross Verba, Fernando Bryant, Josh McCown and of course Mike Williams.Matt Millen's biggest mistake hasn't been drafting WRs high. It's been overpaying mediocre free agents.
The Lions are projected to be about 24 million under the cap next season. This amongst the top 10-15 teams in the league....
 
The Lions don't have a need at WR. It's one of the few bright spots on the team.I hear Joe Thomas mentioned all the time, but the Lions don't have a need at left tackle. They have Jeff Backus, who is overpaid and overrated but Millen made a commitment to him with a huge contract. They have a need at just about every other line position, but you don't draft a guy like Thomas #2 overall and then kick him over to the right side.The position I think the Lions would be best suited to draft is CB. Dre Bly is getting old and Fernando Bryant is horrible. A young corner with shutdown potential would offer the best combination of instant impact and long-term potential. And from what I understand there are several good ones in this draft.
I agree with you on Thomas, but if the Lions don't trade down, they may not have a choice and either move Thomas to the right side for a year or two, or move Backus inside to OG. Likely the first chioce would happen...I don't see the Lions taking a CB in the 1st. In the tampa 2, you don't need top flight CBs with elite speed. You need more physical CBs who are sure tacklers. The safeties ofte play the deep routes, so they have to be very good against the run and in coverage. I do see the need as you are saying, but I think we could get away with taking a CB in round 2 and on...good point though...
 
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I had no idea Furrey was signed to a multiple year contract............when did this happen?
You are correct. Furrey becomes a free agent on March 2nd. The Lions tried to re-sign him before the season ended. Furrey wants to be paid like a #2 receiver and not like the slot guy.
 
The only team in the NFL that pays two WR's stud money is the Colts, and we all know what this has done to their cap, and thus money available for the defense.One stud WR is plenty for any franchise, IMO.
The last time I checked (five minutes ago), the Colts were still alive in this year's playoffs and have a chance to win the Super Bowl in a few weeks.I'm not saying the Lions should do the same thing, but having two great WRs is not necessarily a guarantee for failure (if you pick the right ones).
 
SproutDaddy said:
DocGonzo said:
Whether Martz leaves might also play into what they choose to do with that pick.
Mike Martz is a great OC and an extremely horrible HC! I can't see anyone giving him the reigns again.
You forget how many teams are out there that are complete jokes who would give him a job:OaklandArizonaSaints (before this year)Tampa (Gruden on hot seat)Dallas (If Parcells leaves)Washington (hell they hired Spurrier)BrownsI don't see it as an impossibility he gets hired again. BTW, not all the teams above are jokes. Just verycasually throwing possible HC vacancies out there.
 
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Here are my best guesses for the Lions' pick at #2 overall, with my estimate as to their likelihood of being selected:

27% - OT Joe Thomas (the safest pick for Millen to make, IMO, though not an especially flashy pick)

23% - DE Gaines Adams (the only defensive player they'll consider taking with their first pick, but he'll receive strong consideration)

16% - QB Brady Quinn (what can I say? Either they're considering drafting a QB early, or they're not)

14% - QB JaMarcus Russell (I would rank Russell ahead of Quinn, but I believe there's a good chance the Raiders will take him at #1 if he chooses to enter the draft)

06% - WR Calvin Johnson (I'd actually like to see Millen make this pick, just for the firestorm of protest he'd face from the Lions fans and media. Oh, and CJ's pretty good, too)

05% - RB Adrian Peterson (depending on what they know in April regarding KJ's injury and recovery timetable)

05% - Trade Down and draft someone else, or draft one of these players who might slide down

04% - Draft Someone Else without trading down

 
The only team in the NFL that pays two WR's stud money is the Colts, and we all know what this has done to their cap, and thus money available for the defense.One stud WR is plenty for any franchise, IMO.
The last time I checked (five minutes ago), the Colts were still alive in this year's playoffs and have a chance to win the Super Bowl in a few weeks.I'm not saying the Lions should do the same thing, but having two great WRs is not necessarily a guarantee for failure (if you pick the right ones).
True, the Colts aren't exactly NFL doormats, but I do think that keeping Harrison and Wayne was a huge blunder for them.I'm not saying that CJ isn't the best pick, but I think that if he's the best pick, it's for BPA reasons, not because 2 stud WR is generally a wise strategy. Put another way, if we knew that all of the players available at 1.02 (CJ, Thomas, Adams, Branch) would make the hall of fame, I'd clearly take somebody other than the WR, but if CJ is the only super-elite prospect, you have to take him.
 
it's gonna be interesting to see where Calvin Johnson goes b/c, IMHO, he is the best player in the draft bar none. But the first 2 picks clearly need QBs... I wouldn't be surprised if Oak trades down a to someone who wants Johnson, giving Oak more picks and still a spot to get one of their QBs they covet.

 

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