Will Peyton Manning's reputation suffer (1 Viewer)

[Ghost Rider]

Imagine if the Shark Pool was around in the early to mid 90s. The "Troy Aikman is better than Steve Young cause he has 3 times as many rings" talk would have been out of control.

 

[CalBear]

Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular season

Was he "money" when he threw for 113 yards and 3 INTs in 2006? Or 169 yards and 2 INTs in 2008? Even in the first Super Bowl run both the conference championship game and the Super Bowl were mediocre performances. Missing the playoffs three of the last four years has helped him not accumulate more playoff losses.

 

[Tau837]

If Peyton wins another Super Bowl, does it make a difference in any of your minds? Or will that forever be instilled even with 2-3 more rings?

Of course it does, but right now there are too many other quarterbacks that have great numbers that have been better in the post season, have more rings, and haven't had some of the monster mistakes/bad games that he has had. He isn't top 5 right now, give him another ring we will talk, give him 2 more rings he will be for sure. Here is a list of recent quarterbacks that are either higher on the all time list or close to him on the list with a lot more years left in them.Tom Brady - obvious more rings, and since he got a major upgrade in offense weapons in 2007 you can say his numbers are = or better than Manning'sAaron Rodgers - numbers are equal to Manning's since he has been in the league and he already lead his team to 1 super bowl, one more and he is flying by ManningDrew Brees - Basically the same as Rodgers here, he is also 3 or 4 years younger than Peyton, another ring and he flies by Manning too.Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular seasonBig Ben - I hate spelling his last name, but his stats aren't near Manning but he has 1 more ring, it would take some monster years in the next 5 and winning another ring for him to pass Manning, I don't see him lasting as long as Brady and Manning and others because he is always hurt.Matt Ryan - he is way behind Manning but if he goes out and wins a super bowl he will catch up fast plus he has 10 years on Manning

It is laughable to compare Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Matt Ryan to Peyton Manning in terms of their rank on the all time QB list right now. The premise posted above is that all of them are close to him on that list right now, which is false.

 

[Chazzhawk]

Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular season

Was he "money" when he threw for 113 yards and 3 INTs in 2006? Or 169 yards and 2 INTs in 2008? Even in the first Super Bowl run both the conference championship game and the Super Bowl were mediocre performances. Missing the playoffs three of the last four years has helped him not accumulate more playoff losses.

Come on everyone has bad games even in the playoffs, and I agree with the last thing you said that is why it is hard to rank him. He is a wildcard, if he was more consistent in the regular season he would be above his brother.

 

[Chazzhawk]

If Peyton wins another Super Bowl, does it make a difference in any of your minds? Or will that forever be instilled even with 2-3 more rings?

Of course it does, but right now there are too many other quarterbacks that have great numbers that have been better in the post season, have more rings, and haven't had some of the monster mistakes/bad games that he has had. He isn't top 5 right now, give him another ring we will talk, give him 2 more rings he will be for sure. Here is a list of recent quarterbacks that are either higher on the all time list or close to him on the list with a lot more years left in them.Tom Brady - obvious more rings, and since he got a major upgrade in offense weapons in 2007 you can say his numbers are = or better than Manning'sAaron Rodgers - numbers are equal to Manning's since he has been in the league and he already lead his team to 1 super bowl, one more and he is flying by ManningDrew Brees - Basically the same as Rodgers here, he is also 3 or 4 years younger than Peyton, another ring and he flies by Manning too.Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular seasonBig Ben - I hate spelling his last name, but his stats aren't near Manning but he has 1 more ring, it would take some monster years in the next 5 and winning another ring for him to pass Manning, I don't see him lasting as long as Brady and Manning and others because he is always hurt.Matt Ryan - he is way behind Manning but if he goes out and wins a super bowl he will catch up fast plus he has 10 years on Manning

It is laughable to compare Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Matt Ryan to Peyton Manning in terms of their rank on the all time QB list right now. The premise posted above is that all of them are close to him on that list right now, which is false.

No the premise is if they continue on the trend they have all show over 5 + years where they will be by time they reach Peyton's age. Most if not all on this list will be passing him. I only used these guys because they are currently playing right now and have shown over a period of time they are on pace or could surpass Peyton Manning

 

[shader]

Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular season

Was he "money" when he threw for 113 yards and 3 INTs in 2006? Or 169 yards and 2 INTs in 2008? Even in the first Super Bowl run both the conference championship game and the Super Bowl were mediocre performances. Missing the playoffs three of the last four years has helped him not accumulate more playoff losses.

Actually, Eli and Peyton have very similar playoff numbers overall. I believe their ratings are both right around 88 and they have similar td/int ratios as well.The difference is, Eli has historically STEPPED HIS GAME UP in the postseason.Peyton historically has played WORSE in the postseason. That can't really be argued.

 

[shader]

If Peyton wins another Super Bowl, does it make a difference in any of your minds? Or will that forever be instilled even with 2-3 more rings?

yeah, but I don't see him playing another 28-42 years.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular season

Was he "money" when he threw for 113 yards and 3 INTs in 2006? Or 169 yards and 2 INTs in 2008? Even in the first Super Bowl run both the conference championship game and the Super Bowl were mediocre performances. Missing the playoffs three of the last four years has helped him not accumulate more playoff losses.

That's a good point, and it's why Manning and Brady are, right now on the all-time list, far ahead of every other QB who has come into the league in the last 20+ years. NE has made the playoffs in 10 of Brady's 11 years (not counting '08 when he missed almost all of the season). Indy/Denver had made the playoffs in 12 of Peyton's 14 years (not counting '11 when he did not play a down) .Those are both remarkable numbers. Meanwhile:NYG has made the playoffs in 5 of Eli's 9 years. SD/NO has made the playoffs in 5 of Brees' 11 years (not counting '01 when he barely played).GB/NYJ/Minn made the playoffs in 12 of Favre's 19 years. Pittsburgh has made the playoffs in 6 of Roethlisberger's 9 years. So, while Eli has an 8-3 record in the playoffs, he has also missed the playoffs four times, which makes his 8-3 playoff record look a little less impressive.

 

[johnadams]

If I want to win a regular season game, Peyton would be the QB I picked before anyone in history. But if I want to win a playoff game, there's a half dozen guys from his own era I'd rather have. I have a very hard time reconciling this, so it becomes more of a semantics game for me. IMO, Peyton is the best pure QB to ever play. But I don't see him as the greatest player at his position, if that makes sense. But that's probably just being wishy washy. To answer the original question, not winning another SB won't change my mind, but winning another SB might.

 

[Tau837]

If Peyton wins another Super Bowl, does it make a difference in any of your minds? Or will that forever be instilled even with 2-3 more rings?

Of course it does, but right now there are too many other quarterbacks that have great numbers that have been better in the post season, have more rings, and haven't had some of the monster mistakes/bad games that he has had. He isn't top 5 right now, give him another ring we will talk, give him 2 more rings he will be for sure. Here is a list of recent quarterbacks that are either higher on the all time list or close to him on the list with a lot more years left in them.

Tom Brady - obvious more rings, and since he got a major upgrade in offense weapons in 2007 you can say his numbers are = or better than Manning's

Aaron Rodgers - numbers are equal to Manning's since he has been in the league and he already lead his team to 1 super bowl, one more and he is flying by Manning

Drew Brees - Basically the same as Rodgers here, he is also 3 or 4 years younger than Peyton, another ring and he flies by Manning too.

Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular season

Big Ben - I hate spelling his last name, but his stats aren't near Manning but he has 1 more ring, it would take some monster years in the next 5 and winning another ring for him to pass Manning, I don't see him lasting as long as Brady and Manning and others because he is always hurt.

Matt Ryan - he is way behind Manning but if he goes out and wins a super bowl he will catch up fast plus he has 10 years on Manning

It is laughable to compare Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Matt Ryan to Peyton Manning in terms of their rank on the all time QB list right now. The premise posted above is that all of them are close to him on that list right now, which is false.

No the premise is if they continue on the trend they have all show over 5 + years where they will be by time they reach Peyton's age. Most if not all on this list will be passing him. I only used these guys because they are currently playing right now and have shown over a period of time they are on pace or could surpass Peyton Manning

So you misspoke when you said the bolded above? That's more reasonable, then. I still think it is way premature to assume Eli, Ryan, and Roethlisberger will ultimately surpass Manning. I can see projecting Rodgers that way.

 

[CalBear]

Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular season

Was he "money" when he threw for 113 yards and 3 INTs in 2006? Or 169 yards and 2 INTs in 2008? Even in the first Super Bowl run both the conference championship game and the Super Bowl were mediocre performances. Missing the playoffs three of the last four years has helped him not accumulate more playoff losses.

Come on everyone has bad games even in the playoffs, and I agree with the last thing you said that is why it is hard to rank him. He is a wildcard, if he was more consistent in the regular season he would be above his brother.

If he were a better QB, he would be above his brother. He's not. He got extremely lucky to win a Super Bowl where he played poorly, and won another one with a decent but not impressive performance. That is absolutely the only factor he has in his favor; in every passing statistic and even in number of playoff wins he's well behind Peyton.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

if you throw a pick 6 and the game ends for you on an unlucky kick, I don't have much sympathy.

 

[Carver]

I will never understand why people just cant enjoy watching two of the best ever play at the same time. Who's better Peyton or Brady? blahblahblahblah.... It's hair splitting at best! It all comes down to which qualities you value more in a QB. Bottom line. Personally, I lean towards Brady. But I wouldnt argue if the next guy liked Peyton better. There's good reason, he is a legend. Both of them are. Isnt that good enough?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I will never understand why people just cant enjoy watching two of the best ever play at the same time. Who's better Peyton or Brady? blahblahblahblah.... It's hair splitting at best! It all comes down to which qualities you value more in a QB. Bottom line. Personally, I lean towards Brady. But I wouldnt argue if the next guy liked Peyton better. There's good reason, he is a legend. Both of them are. Isnt that good enough?

some of us would like to see manning take his share of the rap when he turns the ball over 3x instead of watching everybody around him get thrown under the bus.from this it progresses to he's a playoff choker.at which point all the denver/manning fans come out of the woodwork to tell us how brady isn't any better, for some reason.I guess they have brady on the brain.

 

[Chazzhawk]

Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular season

Was he "money" when he threw for 113 yards and 3 INTs in 2006? Or 169 yards and 2 INTs in 2008? Even in the first Super Bowl run both the conference championship game and the Super Bowl were mediocre performances. Missing the playoffs three of the last four years has helped him not accumulate more playoff losses.

That's a good point, and it's why Manning and Brady are, right now on the all-time list, far ahead of every other QB who has come into the league in the last 20+ years. NE has made the playoffs in 10 of Brady's 11 years (not counting '08 when he missed almost all of the season).

Indy/Denver had made the playoffs in 12 of Peyton's 14 years (not counting '11 when he did not play a down) .

Those are both remarkable numbers. Meanwhile:

NYG has made the playoffs in 5 of Eli's 9 years.

SD/NO has made the playoffs in 5 of Brees' 11 years (not counting '01 when he barely played).

GB/NYJ/Minn made the playoffs in 12 of Favre's 19 years.

Pittsburgh has made the playoffs in 6 of Roethlisberger's 9 years.

So, while Eli has an 8-3 record in the playoffs, he has also missed the playoffs four times, which makes his 8-3 playoff record look a little less impressive.

This isn't even close to true, I would put Farve and Manning right next to each other in this debate. You also need to take into account that Indy/Den and New England have played in pretty horrible divisions for the past decade.

 

[Chazzhawk]

If Peyton wins another Super Bowl, does it make a difference in any of your minds? Or will that forever be instilled even with 2-3 more rings?

Of course it does, but right now there are too many other quarterbacks that have great numbers that have been better in the post season, have more rings, and haven't had some of the monster mistakes/bad games that he has had. He isn't top 5 right now, give him another ring we will talk, give him 2 more rings he will be for sure. Here is a list of recent quarterbacks that are either higher on the all time list or close to him on the list with a lot more years left in them.

Tom Brady - obvious more rings, and since he got a major upgrade in offense weapons in 2007 you can say his numbers are = or better than Manning's

Aaron Rodgers - numbers are equal to Manning's since he has been in the league and he already lead his team to 1 super bowl, one more and he is flying by Manning

Drew Brees - Basically the same as Rodgers here, he is also 3 or 4 years younger than Peyton, another ring and he flies by Manning too.

Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular season

Big Ben - I hate spelling his last name, but his stats aren't near Manning but he has 1 more ring, it would take some monster years in the next 5 and winning another ring for him to pass Manning, I don't see him lasting as long as Brady and Manning and others because he is always hurt.

Matt Ryan - he is way behind Manning but if he goes out and wins a super bowl he will catch up fast plus he has 10 years on Manning

It is laughable to compare Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Matt Ryan to Peyton Manning in terms of their rank on the all time QB list right now. The premise posted above is that all of them are close to him on that list right now, which is false.

No the premise is if they continue on the trend they have all show over 5 + years where they will be by time they reach Peyton's age. Most if not all on this list will be passing him. I only used these guys because they are currently playing right now and have shown over a period of time they are on pace or could surpass Peyton Manning

So you misspoke when you said the bolded above? That's more reasonable, then. I still think it is way premature to assume Eli, Ryan, and Roethlisberger will ultimately surpass Manning. I can see projecting Rodgers that way.

That is why I said, it is hard to rank Eli and I doubt Big Ben will make it there without some monster seasons soon. We have to agree to disagree on Matt Ryan

 

[Chazzhawk]

Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular season

Was he "money" when he threw for 113 yards and 3 INTs in 2006? Or 169 yards and 2 INTs in 2008? Even in the first Super Bowl run both the conference championship game and the Super Bowl were mediocre performances. Missing the playoffs three of the last four years has helped him not accumulate more playoff losses.

Come on everyone has bad games even in the playoffs, and I agree with the last thing you said that is why it is hard to rank him. He is a wildcard, if he was more consistent in the regular season he would be above his brother.

If he were a better QB, he would be above his brother. He's not. He got extremely lucky to win a Super Bowl where he played poorly, and won another one with a decent but not impressive performance. That is absolutely the only factor he has in his favor; in every passing statistic and even in number of playoff wins he's well behind Peyton.

Really? Want to talk about lucky to win a super bowl did you see how Peyton played in 2006/2007 on the way to his only title? Here are some stats for youIn 4 games 1034 yards 3 touchdowns and 7 picks for a nice rating of 70.5. Did they ever arrest Peyton for stealing the Super Bowl Mvp award from Addai or Rhodes?

 

[Carver]

I will never understand why people just cant enjoy watching two of the best ever play at the same time. Who's better Peyton or Brady? blahblahblahblah.... It's hair splitting at best! It all comes down to which qualities you value more in a QB. Bottom line. Personally, I lean towards Brady. But I wouldnt argue if the next guy liked Peyton better. There's good reason, he is a legend. Both of them are. Isnt that good enough?

some of us would like to see manning take his share of the rap when he turns the ball over 3x instead of watching everybody around him get thrown under the bus.from this it progresses to he's a playoff choker.at which point all the denver/manning fans come out of the woodwork to tell us how brady isn't any better, for some reason.I guess they have brady on the brain.

Id argue that Mannings reputation/legacy doesnt suffer... It is what it has ALWAYS been. An all time great QB who almost always seems to come up short when it matters the most (playoffs). That IS his reputation. Has been since he was at Tennesee. It's who he is.

 

[donkshow]

Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular season

Was he "money" when he threw for 113 yards and 3 INTs in 2006? Or 169 yards and 2 INTs in 2008? Even in the first Super Bowl run both the conference championship game and the Super Bowl were mediocre performances. Missing the playoffs three of the last four years has helped him not accumulate more playoff losses.

Come on everyone has bad games even in the playoffs, and I agree with the last thing you said that is why it is hard to rank him. He is a wildcard, if he was more consistent in the regular season he would be above his brother.

If he were a better QB, he would be above his brother. He's not. He got extremely lucky to win a Super Bowl where he played poorly, and won another one with a decent but not impressive performance. That is absolutely the only factor he has in his favor; in every passing statistic and even in number of playoff wins he's well behind Peyton.

Really? Want to talk about lucky to win a super bowl did you see how Peyton played in 2006/2007 on the way to his only title? Here are some stats for youIn 4 games 1034 yards 3 touchdowns and 7 picks for a nice rating of 70.5. Did they ever arrest Peyton for stealing the Super Bowl Mvp award from Addai or Rhodes?

M-V-P! M-V-P! M-V-P!

 

[Ghost Rider]

Eli Manning - Stats aren't there, he isn't even close to as good of a quarterback as Peyton in the regular season, but in the playoffs he is money and has been the major reason the Giants won 2 super bowls. Hard to rank him right now because he is so hit or miss regular season

Was he "money" when he threw for 113 yards and 3 INTs in 2006? Or 169 yards and 2 INTs in 2008? Even in the first Super Bowl run both the conference championship game and the Super Bowl were mediocre performances. Missing the playoffs three of the last four years has helped him not accumulate more playoff losses.

That's a good point, and it's why Manning and Brady are, right now on the all-time list, far ahead of every other QB who has come into the league in the last 20+ years. NE has made the playoffs in 10 of Brady's 11 years (not counting '08 when he missed almost all of the season).

Indy/Denver had made the playoffs in 12 of Peyton's 14 years (not counting '11 when he did not play a down) .

Those are both remarkable numbers. Meanwhile:

NYG has made the playoffs in 5 of Eli's 9 years.

SD/NO has made the playoffs in 5 of Brees' 11 years (not counting '01 when he barely played).

GB/NYJ/Minn made the playoffs in 12 of Favre's 19 years.

Pittsburgh has made the playoffs in 6 of Roethlisberger's 9 years.

So, while Eli has an 8-3 record in the playoffs, he has also missed the playoffs four times, which makes his 8-3 playoff record look a little less impressive.

This isn't even close to true, I would put Farve and Manning right next to each other in this debate. You also need to take into account that Indy/Den and New England have played in pretty horrible divisions for the past decade.

I'm not sure that is true. Sure, some of their divisions have had some really down years, but I don't think it's as simple as "Their divisions sucked every year, and they took advantage of that to make the playoffs." The Patriots have won 11+ in 8 of 11 Brady's years, and 13+ in 5 of those 11 years! That is amazing regardless of what division they are in.

The Colts won 12+ games in 7 CONSECUTIVE seasons with Peyton Manning ('03-'09). That is an unbelievable accomplishment by any standard.

 

[DrJ]

With the Ravens making the superbowl, this makes the 6 of those losses to a team that made the Superbowl. 4 of the other 5 teams won, with Dyson coming up just short. We'll see what happens tomorrow. Of the other 5 losses, the Chargers choked their way out of the Superbowl in the conference championship vs the Pats. The Jets made the conference championship game. The resume of teams that have beat him are pretty danged good. Seems hard to call it a choke job when no other team in the league or conference beat many of those teams - almost the majority of the losses.

 

[LuckyOne]

Is this what has the sp come to? Manning is one of the best QBs of all time. Throwing Ryan, Ben, Eli or Rogers in that conversation at this point is laughable. But, that's who's careers his is being compared to. Let's compare him to Montana, Marino, Brady, Elway.... He's a sure fire first ballot HOF QB. Ryan, Brees, Eli and Rogers are not.

 

[DrJ]

With the Ravens making the superbowl, this makes the 6 of those losses to a team that made the Superbowl. 4 of the other 5 teams won, with Dyson coming up just short. We'll see what happens tomorrow. Of the other 5 losses, the Chargers choked their way out of the Superbowl in the conference championship vs the Pats. The Jets made the conference championship game. The resume of teams that have beat him are pretty danged good. Seems hard to call it a choke job when no other team in the league or conference beat many of those teams - almost the majority of the losses.

So this makes 6 of his 11 playoff losses against Superbowl team with 5 of them winning titles. Not like the guy was losing to inferior squads, he was typically losing to squads that no one actually beat in the playoffs.