Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Will T - Suggs be franchised as a DE or LB (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter RAPTURE
- Start date
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
He was franchised as a LB, but has filed a grievance against the Ravens saying he is a DE. I think I read somewhere that if he provides proof that he lined up as a DE more than half of his plays last season, he should get his position and salary changed to that of a DE.
JOBOOZOSO
Footballguy
MFL signed a deal with Rotoworld last year. They are using the Rotoworld database. Last season, MFL updated positions around Aug 20 (about 6 hours after someone drafted Kiwanuka).
Tecmo
Footballguy
Good to see that Suggs is listed as a DL on Rotoworld, but I notice that they're not seperating DE/DT or CB/S. Just the simple DL and DB so it begs the question how Rotoworld will decide?Jason Taylor is another iffy one this year with Parcells in town. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Greg Ellis change to LB under Parcells?
Last edited by a moderator:
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Yes, Ellis was changed from DE to LB in mid season 2006 (week 9 I think) on MFL.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Has information come out on if the grievance was denied or not?
Will they be releasing information at some time?
Will they be releasing information at some time?
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
I'm assuming he'll be coded as an OLB in most leagues again.
ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3394771
Ravens' Suggs to be designated as franchise defensive end-linebacker
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
Terrell Suggs entered his franchise free agency with a debate over whether he was a linebacker or a defensive end.
Thanks to an agreement by the Ravens, Suggs' agent, the Management Council and the NFL Players Association, Suggs gets the best of both worlds. The settlement, which is being finalized by lawyers for the NFLPA and the Management Council, creates a new position in franchise designations -- a defensive end-linebacker. Once the paperwork is completed later this week, Suggs, designated as a franchise linebacker, will be re-designated as a defensive end-linebacker, and his one-year franchise tender will increase from $8.065 million to around $8.5 million.
Suggs challenged his designation as a franchise linebacker by claiming he had more snaps as a defensive end than he did at linebacker last season. A franchise player is tendered at the average of the top five cap numbers at that position. The difference can be substantial. A franchise linebacker has a $8.065 million tender. A franchise defensive end has an $8.879 million tender.
The differences in negotiations are even more pronounced. The highest paid defensive ends -- Dwight Freeney of the Colts and Jared Allen of the Vikings -- make around $12 million a year. Top linebackers make in the $7.7 million to $7.8 million a year range.
For months, negotiations were stalled because of the debate over the position. Suggs filed a grievance, asking a Special Master to determine his true position. Being a team player, Suggs showed up at the first mini-camp under first-year coach John Harbaugh to show him he was on board with his hiring.
Recently, Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome went to Suggs' agent, Gary Wichard, with the idea of creating a hybrid position to move negotiations forward.
The new position doesn't officially have a name. It could be called "defensive end-linebacker." It could be called hybrid for the players who move between defensive end and linebacker during the course of games.
What Suggs and the Baltimore are hoping is that they can come together on a deal that will make Suggs a Raven for a long period of time.
Senior writer John Clayton covers the NFL for ESPN.com.
ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3394771
Ravens' Suggs to be designated as franchise defensive end-linebacker
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
Terrell Suggs entered his franchise free agency with a debate over whether he was a linebacker or a defensive end.
Thanks to an agreement by the Ravens, Suggs' agent, the Management Council and the NFL Players Association, Suggs gets the best of both worlds. The settlement, which is being finalized by lawyers for the NFLPA and the Management Council, creates a new position in franchise designations -- a defensive end-linebacker. Once the paperwork is completed later this week, Suggs, designated as a franchise linebacker, will be re-designated as a defensive end-linebacker, and his one-year franchise tender will increase from $8.065 million to around $8.5 million.
Suggs challenged his designation as a franchise linebacker by claiming he had more snaps as a defensive end than he did at linebacker last season. A franchise player is tendered at the average of the top five cap numbers at that position. The difference can be substantial. A franchise linebacker has a $8.065 million tender. A franchise defensive end has an $8.879 million tender.
The differences in negotiations are even more pronounced. The highest paid defensive ends -- Dwight Freeney of the Colts and Jared Allen of the Vikings -- make around $12 million a year. Top linebackers make in the $7.7 million to $7.8 million a year range.
For months, negotiations were stalled because of the debate over the position. Suggs filed a grievance, asking a Special Master to determine his true position. Being a team player, Suggs showed up at the first mini-camp under first-year coach John Harbaugh to show him he was on board with his hiring.
Recently, Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome went to Suggs' agent, Gary Wichard, with the idea of creating a hybrid position to move negotiations forward.
The new position doesn't officially have a name. It could be called "defensive end-linebacker." It could be called hybrid for the players who move between defensive end and linebacker during the course of games.
What Suggs and the Baltimore are hoping is that they can come together on a deal that will make Suggs a Raven for a long period of time.
Senior writer John Clayton covers the NFL for ESPN.com.
Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
Why would you assume he'd be coded as an OLB. Most leagues seemed to be doing the opposite - designating him a DE anyway - and this compromise if anything seems to indicate that he's in fact a hybrid, rather than a true LB. I'd like to know from Jene who watches more film than I do how many times he rushes the passer versus dropping back into coverage. My impression is that he's pretty much a DE who stands up most of the time.
Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
This is not a complete sentence.
When Suggs challenged being franchised as a LB, he presented the number of players he lined up in the DE position vs the number of plays he lined up at the LB position. The number of plays he lined up at the DE position was more than the number of plays he lined up at the LB position. This was the basis for his appeal to the franchise tag with the LB tender.
Does that help?
Does that help?
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
This is incorrect. Suggs was a LB last year in MFL.
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
He's a LB in both of my IDP leagues (MFL and EFS).
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Huh. He's been a DL in all of my MFL leagues, including the ones I commish (meaning that I've not changed him from LB to DL).
As for Suggs' responsibilities, he's coming upfield the vast majority of the time. I don't remembering noticing whether he was in a two or three point stance more often than the other. I think it was probably pretty close. FWIW, it's been frequently noted that his playbook position is rush LB, especially when Ryan was using a lot of base 46 concepts.
As for Suggs' responsibilities, he's coming upfield the vast majority of the time. I don't remembering noticing whether he was in a two or three point stance more often than the other. I think it was probably pretty close. FWIW, it's been frequently noted that his playbook position is rush LB, especially when Ryan was using a lot of base 46 concepts.
He was a LB in 2004:
http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2004/p...8692&P=6938
But from 2005 till now he has been listed as DE:
http://football29.myfantasyleague.com/2005...7679&P=6938
http://football29.myfantasyleague.com/2006...0227&P=6938
http://football29.myfantasyleague.com/2007...5207&P=6938
http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2004/p...8692&P=6938
But from 2005 till now he has been listed as DE:
http://football29.myfantasyleague.com/2005...7679&P=6938
http://football29.myfantasyleague.com/2006...0227&P=6938
http://football29.myfantasyleague.com/2007...5207&P=6938
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
Dominion
Footballguy
Is it possible your commish manually changed it?
J Giles Band
Footballguy
All Star Stats (and thus Rotoworld) had Suggs listed as a DE last season.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
This almost certainly has to be the case. Only your commish has access to that data, though, since it's a custom field and change. The default status in every new league I've started as a commish in the past three seasons has been DE.
Chachi
Footballguy
That's some serious BS if your commish changed that. So he's the judge on who is what, maybe if he owned Colston he could list him as a Tight End.
Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
Yeah, let me guess whose team Suggs wasn't on during those years.That's some serious BS if your commish changed that. So he's the judge on who is what, maybe if he owned Colston he could list him as a Tight End.
Here is the Raw MFL data using their XML tool:
2004:
http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2004/e...s&L=&W=
<player id="6938" name="Suggs, Terrell" position="LB" team="BAL"/>
2005:
http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2005/e...s&L=&W=
<player id="6938" name="Suggs, Terrell" position="DE" team="BAL"/>
Notice there is no league id in the query string, L=.
Weiner, I would confront your commissioner about this and ask what other players he has manually changed positions on. Do your league rules contain any bylaws about player position designation or what the final word is on a players position? Our league says that MFL has the final word, whatever they designate a player as, that is his position.
2004:
http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2004/e...s&L=&W=
<player id="6938" name="Suggs, Terrell" position="LB" team="BAL"/>
2005:
http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2005/e...s&L=&W=
<player id="6938" name="Suggs, Terrell" position="DE" team="BAL"/>
Notice there is no league id in the query string, L=.
Weiner, I would confront your commissioner about this and ask what other players he has manually changed positions on. Do your league rules contain any bylaws about player position designation or what the final word is on a players position? Our league says that MFL has the final word, whatever they designate a player as, that is his position.
Pipes
Footballguy
The commish in our league changed Suggs from DE to LB on MFL manually. However he had the depth chart on the Baltimore Ravens official website to support his decision. Suggs was switched to LB on their official site at the end of the 2006 season.Chachi said:That's some serious BS if your commish changed that. So he's the judge on who is what, maybe if he owned Colston he could list him as a Tight End.
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
Shady, shady biz. Yeah, I'm definitely posting a note in the message boards. The commish has made questionable calls in the past and this doesn't surprise me.spec1alk said:
