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Will the Astros win in 2010 thread? (1 Viewer)
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Man In The Box
Footballguy
Usually anything that is said about a team/player after one week of the baseball season is considered overreacting. Not this though. This team is awful.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Aka "The Clash Of The Titans" Series.So who's up for a road-trip to Kansas City for Astros-Royals this June 15-17?-QG
money well spent. do they even have anything remotely competitive coming through the system? i know they have the Castro kid at C. As bad as they are, they should just trade Feliz when Berkman comes back and let the Johnson kid play 3B every game for 2010 to see if he has any real talent.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Worst team in baseball.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Berkman has value.
Boston especially, and maybe NYM.
Boston especially, and maybe NYM.
Eephus
Footballguy
Trade Feliz? I like Pete Happy and am glad he got his ring but it's not like there was a huge bidding war for his services during the off season.
if you get ANYTHING its a win. seriously. even offer to pay everything. maybe get a AA prospect. not a top 10 one, of course. wait until someone gets hurt. derrek lee maybe?
coolnerd
Footballguy
They have ranked at or near the bottom for major league systems for 3 or 4 years running. At the top end there is no prospect really considered a true candidates (outside Castro) to be an every palyer and no pitcher expected to be anything. apparently a handful of guys at lower end to provide some hope, but they are a couple years out. there are a couple more Chris Johnosn Manzella types who maybe should be on the roster just in case the prospects develop late or something, but the minor league system is terrible.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Doesn't he have a no trade clause and absolutely no desire to leave Houston? Could be wrong on both counts, but that's what I heard.If true, even Houston's best (only?) asset really has no value to them.This team is in need of some serious rebuilding, but they don't seem have the desire and/or ability to do so. They are not only horrible, they are the worst kind of horrible (old and horrible). They brought in Brett Myers and Pedro Feliz, so it doesn't appear that they get that.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Drayton does not like the idea of rebuilding. unfortunately, at the same time when he was overpaying for veterans, he cut the minor league budget at all levels: singing players, scouting, international scoutring. they also got into the habit of drafting too many three and four year college players who had limited upside, but were also easier to sign. I want to say that 2006 was the low watermark where they did not have 1st or 2nd ound pick and only signed something like 2 out of 10 rounds of players (someone could correct the details) drafted. Basically, too much short term thinking without getting the long term consequences of not having a good farm system. Even if you don't like young players, an organization has to understand that minor leaguers are currency.pollardsvision said:
dparker713
Footballguy
They also hold to the slotting system because he and Selig are buddies.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Actually 4-2 this week, but the best long-term news is that both Roy O and Berkman are flexible on the idea of being traded to contenders
Roy O. link
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-astros-oswalt
Berkman link
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...on/6992188.html
Roy O. link
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-astros-oswalt
Berkman link
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...on/6992188.html
Balco
Footballguy
What do their salaries look like, length wise? Can't see many teams interested if they have long term contracts. But if the Astros can get 10 cents on the dollar for them, they should jump at the opportunity. Arguably the worst farm system in the minors, and a team devoid of much talent at the major league level. They need to completely implode the team and build the farm.
Polecat
Footballguy
Berkman is a FA at the end of this season. The Astros have an option for 2011 at $15M. He's likely gone before the deadline.Roy is signed through next year with a club option in 2012 at $16M. He's not going to be easy to deal making that kind of jack. They need to get what they can for him though (age/injury risk).
coolnerd
Footballguy
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/Salaries/O/Roy-Oswalt.shtmlContract: Signed 5-year, $73,000,000 contract with the Houston Astros on Aug 30,2006. Club option for 2012 ($16m with $2m buyout)
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/B/Lance-Berkman.shtml
Contract: Signed 6-year, $85,000,000 contract with the Houston Astros on Mar 19,2005. Club option for 2011
So the team taking Oswalt would have remaining 2010, 2011 and 2Million buyout for 2012
Berkamns remaining is 2010, with the club having the option 2011.
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coolnerd
Footballguy
Oswalt requests trade
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/7016780.h
Detailed discussion here
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=533083
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/7016780.h
Detailed discussion here
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=533083
coolnerd
Footballguy
Astros Management finally recognizing that they are not very good...call up three
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article...sp&c_id=hou
Castros, chris Johnosn, and another overaged utility guy (well hope is better than what had)
and while the season is not his fault because he has a bad cast of characters, Brad Mills did a terrible job of managing that 5-4 loss yesterday. I mean seriously, walking anyone to get to a guy nearly hitting .500 for June and who had owned you for 3 games. He also overmanaged that 7th inning with all the pitchers. Just awful.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article...sp&c_id=hou
Castros, chris Johnosn, and another overaged utility guy (well hope is better than what had)
and while the season is not his fault because he has a bad cast of characters, Brad Mills did a terrible job of managing that 5-4 loss yesterday. I mean seriously, walking anyone to get to a guy nearly hitting .500 for June and who had owned you for 3 games. He also overmanaged that 7th inning with all the pitchers. Just awful.
