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Will the Democrats regret this impeachment Investigation? (1 Viewer)

Will the Democrats regret this impeachment Investigation?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 23.9%

  • No

    Votes: 70 76.1%
  • Total voters
    92
bananafish said:
If the Democrats pay a political price for trying to hold the administration accountable for the most egregious abuse(s) of power in the history of our republic, it just shows that America is too far gone to resuscitate. At least they took a shot before we went full-on kleptocracy.

If, in a similar vein, Republicans are rewarded for tarring and feathering actual patriots for staying loyal to the country while knowingly parroting false narratives created by the Kremlin to protect Trump while he sells off America to the tyrants of the world and corrupts another election, we don't deserve this country anymore anyways.
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This is obviously somewhat hyperbolic but I agree with your point.  In my view America has arguably become, in three short years, the least democratic western democracy in the world.  What is happening would not happen in any other constitutional democracy in the G7.  
 

 
The Democrats are already regretting it. I just saw Schiff on saying he wants to go back home and talk to his constituents about impeachment. His constituents are from Burbank and Hollywood, why on earth would he need to talk to these people?

What he really meant is they need to hear from Americans in places that matter for the upcoming election. And the early returns aren’t pretty for Democrats. It will only get worse for them IMO (and deservedly so). 

 
zoonation said:
This is obviously somewhat hyperbolic but I agree with your point.  
 
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As soon as I see posts with that degree of hyperbole I stop reading and move to the next.  I assume most others have that same response on both sides.

 
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Widbil83 said:
The Democrats are already regretting it. I just saw Schiff on saying he wants to go back home and talk to his constituents about impeachment. His constituents are from Burbank and Hollywood, why on earth would he need to talk to these people?

What he really meant is they need to hear from Americans in places that matter for the upcoming election. And the early returns aren’t pretty for Democrats. It will only get worse for them IMO (and deservedly so). 
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It will be interesting to see if the investigation results in any impact in 2020 at all.

Maurile has called it a nothingburger but I have to believe this is going to be a win for Trump.

 
Widbil83 said:
The Democrats are already regretting it. I just saw Schiff on saying he wants to go back home and talk to his constituents about impeachment. His constituents are from Burbank and Hollywood, why on earth would he need to talk to these people?

What he really meant is they need to hear from Americans in places that matter for the upcoming election. And the early returns aren’t pretty for Democrats. It will only get worse for them IMO (and deservedly so). 
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Do you have a quote for this? Last I saw from him was that his committee was going to turn over their report to the Judicial Committee...which I believe is the protocol.

 
Widbil83 said:
The Democrats are already regretting it. I just saw Schiff on saying he wants to go back home and talk to his constituents about impeachment. His constituents are from Burbank and Hollywood, why on earth would he need to talk to these people?

What he really meant is they need to hear from Americans in places that matter for the upcoming election. And the early returns aren’t pretty for Democrats. It will only get worse for them IMO (and deservedly so). 
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Schiff is my Congressman. He has always wanted to get feedback from his constituents.

I have seen no indication whatsoever that he regrets this investigation nor that he is not supported by his constituents.

 
Mile High said:
The latest poll out on impeachment on 538.

YouGov

YESNO

1,500adults

46%

38%

368Republicans

11%

81%

446Democrats

81%

9%

686independents

40%

34%

NOV. 20-22

Do you think President Trump should be impeached and removed from office, or not?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/
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Did you see the two different questions?

Do you favor or oppose the U.S. House of Representatives impeaching President Trump? If impeached, President Trump would have a trial in the U.S. Senate where Senators would listen to evidence and decided whether or not to remove President Trump from office.
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The above was 46 - 38 in favor.

Next question:

Do you think President Trump should be impeached and removed from office, or not?
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45-42 in favor.

 
beef said:
Doug Schoen is top Democratic strategist?  That must be news, to Dems...

I honestly never heard of him.  Had to lougle, and his resume isn't very impressive.  I did notice that, In 2000, Ukrainian steel oligarch Victor Pinchuk hired Schoen on a $40,000 per month retainer.  I see why he's on Fox now.
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Schoen was named Pollster of the Year in 1996 by the American Association of Political Consultants for his contributions to the President Bill Clinton reelection campaign.

His political clients include New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Indiana Governor Evan Bayh, and his corporate clients include AOL Time Warner, Procter & Gamble and AT&T. Internationally, he has worked for the heads of states of over 15 countries, including British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, and three Israeli Prime Ministers.

http://douglasschoen.com/bio/

 
Interesting that in this decidedly liberal forum we still have 26% stating the Dems will regret this.

I can see the Trump-isms in the debates now, and I think they'll be effective.

 
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TripItUp said:
Interesting that in this decidedly liberal forum we still have 26% stating the Dems will regret this.

I can see the Trump-isms in the debates now, and I think they'll be effective.
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I don't think a voluntary poll with 76 votes in this forum means a whole lot or portends anything.

 
TripItUp said:
Interesting that in this decidedly liberal forum we still have 26% stating the Dems will regret this.

I can see the Trump-isms in the debates now, and I think they'll be effective.
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A person holding Trump in disfavor is not mutually inclusive to being a liberal. 

 
beef said:
Doug Schoen is top Democratic strategist?  That must be news, to Dems...

I honestly never heard of him.  Had to lougle, and his resume isn't very impressive.  I did notice that, In 2000, Ukrainian steel oligarch Victor Pinchuk hired Schoen on a $40,000 per month retainer.  I see why he's on Fox now.
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Fox propaganda.

 
The Republican Party's support for Trump is going to reflect poorly on the entire party for a long time.  People will not forget.  If the impeachment process gains so much public support that the Republican Party turns on Trump, it will do much to mitigate how poorly people judge the Republican Party over this issue in the future.  The Democrats are basically throwing the Republican's a life jacket but I doubt Republicans will take it.

 
It seems to me that we, as a country, have a lot of anti-Trump people who think "Hell yeah!  Impeach his ###!"

We also have a lot of people believing "This is a witch hunt!  There's no proof!  The American people aren't going to stand for this!"

But we also have the center that seems to be a sizable chunk.  Maybe they aren't sure there is enough proof.  Maybe they aren't following things.  Maybe they don't think we should take the county through impeachment.  Maybe they don't like partisan politics.

The more I think about this, the more I think this middle group is not going to be highly swayed by this one way or the other.  They will focus on the candidates themselves  come election time and pick the person they like most and like the policies of more.

So will the Democrats regret this?  No.  I don't think it will hurt them in any measurable degree for 2020.  They also honestly believe they are doing the right thing.

 
Widbil83 said:
The Democrats are already regretting it. I just saw Schiff on saying he wants to go back home and talk to his constituents about impeachment. His constituents are from Burbank and Hollywood, why on earth would he need to talk to these people?

What he really meant is they need to hear from Americans in places that matter for the upcoming election. And the early returns aren’t pretty for Democrats. It will only get worse for them IMO (and deservedly so). 
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I saw this on Fox. It cracks me up that Schiff saying that he will make up his mind after considering all the evidence and after consulting with his constituents is raised by the same people who claim there is a coup being driven by hatred and hoax plot frame jobs. Seriously make up your mind, Schiff is a patient, impartial objective decision maker or an evil coup leader.

 
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Juxtatarot said:
It seems to me that we, as a country, have a lot of anti-Trump people who think "Hell yeah!  Impeach his ###!"

We also have a lot of people believing "This is a witch hunt!  There's no proof!  The American people aren't going to stand for this!"

But we also have the center that seems to be a sizable chunk.  Maybe they aren't sure there is enough proof.  Maybe they aren't following things.  Maybe they don't think we should take the county through impeachment.  Maybe they don't like partisan politics.

The more I think about this, the more I think this middle group is not going to be highly swayed by this one way or the other.  They will focus on the candidates themselves  come election time and pick the person they like most and like the policies of more.

So will the Democrats regret this?  No.  I don't think it will hurt them in any measurable degree for 2020.  They also honestly believe they are doing the right thing.
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I like to think I'm a fairly-centered voter.  I'll be honest, I'm not really paying too close attention to this.  I'll check in the threads here and glean some info, maybe read an article if it looks good on Twitter, but by and large I am not following this impeachment situation closely.

There are a few reasons for this - 

  • I am sick of partisan politics, and frankly US politics in general.  It's a downer, man.  I've never been "into" politics like most of of the high-volume posters here, I don't know how you guys do it without serious burnout, but I commend you for it.
  • The impeachment process is confusing.  I understand that there need to be set rules of checks-and-balances for these things, but to be honest I don't really understand how it works.  I have no background in PoliSci other than one civics class in high school.  While I vaguely remember the Clinton impeachment proceedings, I was in middle school and our family has never been a political discussion family, so it wasn't a big thing in the household.
  • I have seen more than enough evidence to know that Trump is unfit for office.  I won't belabor the point, we all know the story.  I'm certain that he has violated many codes of conduct across the board during his 3 years in office, and while this Ukraine story seems pretty egregious, it's just another drop in the bucket of what has been a mostly failed presidency.  I don't need this investigation to validate or convince me one way or another....I'm a center voter, but that doesn't mean I'm "undecided" on Trump.
  • I have no faith that anything will become of this investigation anyway.  I have zero faith whatsoever in any elected Republican congressman other than Justin Amash, who no longer counts, and I fail to see how anything really happens to Trump because of this.  Political theater.
I don't think the Democrats will regret the impeachment hearings, because I don't think they'll have any real bearing on whether Trump gets reelected.  If he gets reelected, it's because he was going to get reelected anyway, impeachment investigation or not.

 
I think that this number could be impacted by whatever bombshells Lev Parnas has to offer. If he truly has evidence against Guiliani and Trump and it comes into the sunlight, who knows how high the impeachment support will get.

 
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