BigSteelThrill
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Denial isnt just a river in Egypt.You are fooling yourself if you dont think this sticks with (and taints) the team forever.
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Will the Pats Scandal Tarnish (1 Viewer)
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So let me see if I have all of this straight;
For this to tarnish the Patriots SB wins they would have had to have been doing this for how many years now? So you think that they've had a camera guy on the sidelines for like 5, 6 year.
So everytime a team is doing great in the first half and terrible in the second half the other time must have stolen there signs.
No other team in league trys to steal the other teams signals.
No team has ever hired lip readers or anything before, coachs cover there mouths for the hell of it.
Here's a interesting article from ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=3015550
I'd say overall that it's pretty embarssing but tarnished is a bit much right now. Now, if there is more to the story and it goes deeper, than yes we'll have more to talk about but right now I'd say no, not tarnished. Of course all of the haters will say it will and all of the homers will say it won't. I admit I'm a homer (as if you couldn't tell) I just don't think it's enough to take away the things that they have accomplished. Teams suspect other teams of stealing signs all of the time and what do they do? They change them. Just look through this forums and you see plenty of examples were team A thought team B had there signs and changed them or had mulitple play sheets to throw them off. That's the mature of the beast. The Pats got caught, and will be punished.
For this to tarnish the Patriots SB wins they would have had to have been doing this for how many years now? So you think that they've had a camera guy on the sidelines for like 5, 6 year.
So everytime a team is doing great in the first half and terrible in the second half the other time must have stolen there signs.
No other team in league trys to steal the other teams signals.
No team has ever hired lip readers or anything before, coachs cover there mouths for the hell of it.
Here's a interesting article from ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=3015550
I'd say overall that it's pretty embarssing but tarnished is a bit much right now. Now, if there is more to the story and it goes deeper, than yes we'll have more to talk about but right now I'd say no, not tarnished. Of course all of the haters will say it will and all of the homers will say it won't. I admit I'm a homer (as if you couldn't tell) I just don't think it's enough to take away the things that they have accomplished. Teams suspect other teams of stealing signs all of the time and what do they do? They change them. Just look through this forums and you see plenty of examples were team A thought team B had there signs and changed them or had mulitple play sheets to throw them off. That's the mature of the beast. The Pats got caught, and will be punished.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
1huskerfan
Footballguy
We can agree to disagree on how history views this. It's really a nonissue. YOu obviously have a subjective opinion so there's no point in arguing with someone who has irrational presuppositions.
SSOG
Moderator
Denver's salary cap violations during the superbowl are a footnote in the history books, and the league actually issued an official statement that Denver's violations were not an attempt to gain a competitive advantage, (although they never said whether a competitive advantage was actually gained). In other words, Denver cheated the rules with ABSOLUTELY NO MALICIOUS INTENT and that became a footnote. New England allegedly WILLFULLY AND MALICIOUSLY cheated the rules. You're right, it won't be a footnote- it will be much more than that.1huskerfan said:
SundaySchooler
Footballguy
not yet tarnished per se, but as a poster above said...it is embarassing. especially for what is perceived to be the class franchise of the sport.
i believe i read that the violation is not that they did it in the first place, as most teams do the same things...but that they used a recording device like a camera to do it. ie, they can have a guy there monitoring signals, they just can't do it with videotape. from the articles i've read, that seems to be the specific violation that Goodell's investigating.
in any case, i don't think we'll have a much better handle on things until the season plays out. imagine the Pats finishing the season like 6-10 or 5-11 or something and suddenly people's questions will multiply. but...if they more or less win out and make a stand in the playoffs, people might forget.
people calling for a forfeit of the Jets game or barring them from the playoffs is just stupid. there is absolutely no precedent of that happening outside of collegiate athletics and it will end up being lawsuit city i bet if that happens. they'll get fined and lose some draft picks, possibly first round. that's all.
regardless, it has put some extra drama into the season.
i believe i read that the violation is not that they did it in the first place, as most teams do the same things...but that they used a recording device like a camera to do it. ie, they can have a guy there monitoring signals, they just can't do it with videotape. from the articles i've read, that seems to be the specific violation that Goodell's investigating.
in any case, i don't think we'll have a much better handle on things until the season plays out. imagine the Pats finishing the season like 6-10 or 5-11 or something and suddenly people's questions will multiply. but...if they more or less win out and make a stand in the playoffs, people might forget.
people calling for a forfeit of the Jets game or barring them from the playoffs is just stupid. there is absolutely no precedent of that happening outside of collegiate athletics and it will end up being lawsuit city i bet if that happens. they'll get fined and lose some draft picks, possibly first round. that's all.
regardless, it has put some extra drama into the season.
DropKick
Footballguy
Hysterical from a Panthers fan given the allegations of wide spread 'roid use by the Panthers in said SB.Makes me wonder how easily this could have changed history. All the SB's were won by 3 points, so a signal here or there and we have a competely different story the last few years.
nygiants56
Footballguy
not anymore than Bill Walsh's implementation of using offensive players to set picks on defensive players, and coaching his o-linemen to perform cut-blocks on d-linemen has tarnished SF's SB titles..lthough, they should all have an asterisk next to them, esp. when you consider the salary cap infringements and misdeeds done by then SF owner DiBartolo..that was a shady team , with a dirty coach ( Walsh) who used cheating and dirty tactics to win..using a camera is nothing, compared to what SF did back then...
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