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will we ever see another player steal 130 bases in a season? (1 Viewer)
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avoiding injuries
Footballguy
If anyone in the game could do it, it would be Reyes. That's not going to happen though. He has 18 so far this year and is on pace for 100.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Is there an echo in here?
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Ricky Henderson also stole 130 hearts in an Oakland ghetto one year. That record was broke by Gary Payton so I don't see why the stolen base record wouldn't be next.
redman
Footballguy
It's hard to imagine someone doing it if Vince Coleman couldn't.
What's especially amazing about that record is that was not a good hitting year for Rickey. He roughly stole one base for every two times he got on base. If you attributed those extra bases to his sluggling %, that translates to a .200 increase. Again, ridiculous.
What's especially amazing about that record is that was not a good hitting year for Rickey. He roughly stole one base for every two times he got on base. If you attributed those extra bases to his sluggling %, that translates to a .200 increase. Again, ridiculous.
wilked
Footballguy
:crickets:
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Still mad about the Roger Clemens stuff?
prefontaine
Footballguy
Ricky had 116 walks that year to go along with 105 singles. Coleman in his best year had 70 walks and 153 singles and stole 109 bases. Coleman never broke 200 times at 1st again. I think at minimum, you have to have a guy who can do that which is pretty rare. So you need a combo of Ichiro or Tony Gwynn as a hitter and ridiculous speed. It's pretty rare combination in today's game because of the attention given to power stats to project players. A guy with zero power is rarely given the chance to advance in the minors or to play every day even if he makes it. I do believe baseball will go through another cycle where HRs are harder and you will see the Vince Coleman types return to baseball. When that happens, it will again be possible. But in the current environment, it's highly unlikely.redman said:
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Jason Stark wrote a pretty good piece on why it won't happen with Reyes
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor...&id=2858489
The four good reason
1. HISTORY LESSONS
2. THE DEMANDS OF THE POSITION
3. HE'S NOT A SINGLES HITTER
4. IT'S NOT HIGH ENOUGH ON HIS TEAM'S PRIORITY LIST
Elaboration in the link.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor...&id=2858489
The four good reason
1. HISTORY LESSONS
2. THE DEMANDS OF THE POSITION
3. HE'S NOT A SINGLES HITTER
4. IT'S NOT HIGH ENOUGH ON HIS TEAM'S PRIORITY LIST
Elaboration in the link.
Your Mother
Footballguy
There's a good chapter in "Baseball Between The Numbers" entitled "What if Rickey Henderson had Pete Incaviglia's Legs?" that demonstrates just how worthless of an endeavor stealing bases is. The answer to the question, I think, is something like 4 extra runs created. This was using the 1982 season, I think.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
The guys at Baseball Prospectus had some stat that said unless a player was stealing at close to a 90% success rate that they were actually hurting the team.
Knightro
Footballguy
Coleman is actually the season season record holder for professional baseball. He stole 145 bases in a single minor league season. Donnell Nixon (Otis's younger brother) is 2nd with 144 steals in a single minor league season.Coleman stole 145 bases in 113 games in Macon in 1983. Minors and majors combined = 1059 steals. That still pales in comparison to Rickey's 1719 career number (minors + majors).Nixon's 144 number was in Bakersfield the same year Coleman did 145.redman said:
Tough As Nails
Glave Master
Where would that 130 SB season rank in the all-time ROTO seasons? Gotta' think it's somewhere in the top 25.
Bonds' 5 or 6 year run
Ruth's best 6 or 7 years
A couple Ted Williams
A couple Ty Cobb
Sosa's best 3 years
Maybe McGwire's 70 HR year
Rickey is right in the mix there...that year ('85?) where he had 24 HR's, 75 RBI, .420 OBP, 80 steals...that's a 5 category monster right there. His MVP year in Oakland with 28 HR's and a batting title to go along with 65 steals.
Bonds' 5 or 6 year run
Ruth's best 6 or 7 years
A couple Ted Williams
A couple Ty Cobb
Sosa's best 3 years
Maybe McGwire's 70 HR year
Rickey is right in the mix there...that year ('85?) where he had 24 HR's, 75 RBI, .420 OBP, 80 steals...that's a 5 category monster right there. His MVP year in Oakland with 28 HR's and a batting title to go along with 65 steals.
bialczabub
Lord of the Flies
Giambi will do it this year.
The record is staying in the Bronx.
Write it down.
The record is staying in the Bronx.
Write it down.
Your Mother
Footballguy
The hitters in front of him are too good. Frankly, he shouldn't be running at all in that spot. I think he'd be better suited at 6th-7th in the order.
You sure it was as high as 90%? I remember hearing that phrase somewhere, but I remember it being lower than 90.
Your Mother
Footballguy
IN 1927, Ruth his 60 HR, Gehrig hit 47. Nobody else hit more than 20.
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The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Won't be broken - when was the last time someone even had 100 attempted steals in a season?
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