William Moore vs Patrick Chung (1 Viewer)

[jgb95]

Looking to find out who's the player and has a longer shelf life in the NFL.

Not fantasy (but that opinion you can throw in if you want) but real NFL talent.

Thanks guys

 

[bcr8f]

Delmas.

 

[jgb95]

he's not an option

 

[Jene Bramel]

Impossible to tell.

I think Moore has a better chance of becoming an impact player, but he's just questionable enough in coverage that he could fall prey to the move toward two way safeties and fall out of favor after a short career as we've seen others do in recent years. Some scouting reports might suggest the same of Chung, but Belichick's early comments suggest otherwise and that's good enough for me.

 

[jgb95]

Impossible to tell.I think Moore has a better chance of becoming an impact player, but he's just questionable enough in coverage that he could fall prey to the move toward two way safeties and fall out of favor after a short career as we've seen others do in recent years. Some scouting reports might suggest the same of Chung, but Belichick's early comments suggest otherwise and that's good enough for me.

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[Jene Bramel]

Impossible to tell.

I think Moore has a better chance of becoming an impact player, but he's just questionable enough in coverage that he could fall prey to the move toward two way safeties and fall out of favor after a short career as we've seen others do in recent years. Some scouting reports might suggest the same of Chung, but Belichick's early comments suggest otherwise and that's good enough for me.

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Mike Reiss' blog

The first pick, Patrick Chung, the kid has had a lot of production at Oregon. [He’s] a good solid player. I think he does everything pretty well. He plays the run, plays the pass, man coverage, had a real good Senior Bowl, good in the kicking game. So he’s a strong player on all three levels of the field [and] on special teams.

Nothing earth shattering, but that's enough of an endorsement from Belichick to get me leaning toward the scouting reports that suggested Chung was athletic enough to at least hold his own in coverage.If you were looking for a specific link on Moore's coverage skill, that's just a general comment from my recollections of predraft reading.

 

[bcr8f]

Impossible to tell.

I think Moore has a better chance of becoming an impact player, but he's just questionable enough in coverage that he could fall prey to the move toward two way safeties and fall out of favor after a short career as we've seen others do in recent years. Some scouting reports might suggest the same of Chung, but Belichick's early comments suggest otherwise and that's good enough for me.

I also read DeCoud is a better coverage defender. SAFETY IN NUMBERS: Some members of the media expect rookie safety William Moore to compete for a starting position during training camp. For now, he's working as a reserve.

But he's trying to show coaches some reasons why the team selected him in the second round of the 2009 Draft.

"It's very intense," he said. "The speed of the game is a little different than college but I knew I could adjust to it. The worst thing you can do is not show effort so I've been doing my best to go fast every snap."

General Manager Thomas Dimitroff said Moore will play strong safety for the Falcons, but his speed (he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.51 seconds at the Combine) provides some flexibility. Moore returned four of his 11 career interceptions for touchdowns and left Missouri with 284 career tackles.

 

[bcr8f]

he's not an option

He was in both of my drafts. I think he needs to be included with Moore and Chung. While he is a free safety he's a solid tackler and may have more big plays. I think he belongs in the conversation. I think there are 3 top safeties.

 

[Penguin]

he's not an option

He was in both of my drafts. I think he needs to be included with Moore and Chung. While he is a free safety he's a solid tackler and may have more big plays. I think he belongs in the conversation. I think there are 3 top safeties.

I agree, Delmas has skills and Frank Coyle had him as his #1 safety going into the draft.As far as FF is concerned, I think W.Moore has the best statistical year out of the three as a rookie, Delmas is the #2. I think P.Chung is most likely to have the best statistical career of the bunch and Delmas again falls in at #2.

 

[bcr8f]

he's not an option

He was in both of my drafts. I think he needs to be included with Moore and Chung. While he is a free safety he's a solid tackler and may have more big plays. I think he belongs in the conversation. I think there are 3 top safeties.

I agree, Delmas has skills and Frank Coyle had him as his #1 safety going into the draft.As far as FF is concerned, I think W.Moore has the best statistical year out of the three as a rookie, Delmas is the #2. I think P.Chung is most likely to have the best statistical career of the bunch and Delmas again falls in at #2.

Both Moore and Delmas fall to teams without solid tacklers in the middle. Moore is battling rookie pick from last year DeCoud who I have seen is a better coverage man.I like Moore or Delmas long term so if the question is Moore or Chung I say Moore.

 

[T Bell]

he's not an option

He was in both of my drafts. I think he needs to be included with Moore and Chung. While he is a free safety he's a solid tackler and may have more big plays. I think he belongs in the conversation. I think there are 3 top safeties.

I agree, Delmas has skills and Frank Coyle had him as his #1 safety going into the draft.As far as FF is concerned, I think W.Moore has the best statistical year out of the three as a rookie, Delmas is the #2. I think P.Chung is most likely to have the best statistical career of the bunch and Delmas again falls in at #2.

Both Moore and Delmas fall to teams without solid tacklers in the middle. Moore is battling rookie pick from last year DeCoud who I have seen is a better coverage man.I like Moore or Delmas long term so if the question is Moore or Chung I say Moore.

Moore concerns me because he's got Lofton grabbing up tackles in front of him, and Atlanta has a decent d-line and a scheme (Jacksonville's) that doesn't seem to produce top S numbers. Delmas has none of that as an obstacle to him, at least as far as this year goes - I have every confidence that Schwartz will have that defense improving over the next two years. Delmas' problem is that he's a converted CB who figures to be in coverage far more than he's in the box, and INT's, which are the big plays that he figures to generate most often, are fluky and hard to predict. I'm still opting for Moore because he at least plays SS and figures to get consistent tackle numbers over a period of time, but this is a tough comparison to make.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Moore concerns me because he's got Lofton grabbing up tackles in front of him, and Atlanta has a decent d-line and a scheme (Jacksonville's) that doesn't seem to produce top S numbers.

A tackle grabbing MLB didn't hurt Yeremiah Bell or Gibril Wilson or Eric Weddle or Michael Lewis last season. The scheme concern is legitimate, but mitigated some by the fact that Erik Coleman (80 solos) and Lawyer Milloy (76 solos) finished fifth and ninth respectively among safeties in solo tackles last season.I appreciate the focus on Delmas as a very good all-around player and like Chung and Michael Mitchell as well as a few other deep tier rookie safeties, but I think people -- and not necessarily T Bell here -- are looking for a reason to dislike Moore. I think it might become a very similar situation to that of Jerod Mayo last year. This kid can play, will start right away and has better opportunity than what may appear at first glance.

 

[Biabreakable]

I think tackle opportunity in Atlanta for a safety has gone up because Boley is no longer there.

Boley played 3 downs and Mike Peterson is getting a bit old. I see him being about the same as Brooking last year.

There isn't really a replacement for Boley in coverage so I would expect the safeties to have to make more tackles.

IIRC Moore has had some injuries. Is that something we should be concerned about?

 

[bcr8f]

Moore concerns me because he's got Lofton grabbing up tackles in front of him, and Atlanta has a decent d-line and a scheme (Jacksonville's) that doesn't seem to produce top S numbers.

A tackle grabbing MLB didn't hurt Yeremiah Bell or Gibril Wilson or Eric Weddle or Michael Lewis last season. The scheme concern is legitimate, but mitigated some by the fact that Erik Coleman (80 solos) and Lawyer Milloy (76 solos) finished fifth and ninth respectively among safeties in solo tackles last season.I appreciate the focus on Delmas as a very good all-around player and like Chung and Michael Mitchell as well as a few other deep tier rookie safeties, but I think people -- and not necessarily T Bell here -- are looking for a reason to dislike Moore. I think it might become a very similar situation to that of Jerod Mayo last year. This kid can play, will start right away and has better opportunity than what may appear at first glance.

Has he been named the starter yet?

 

[Jene Bramel]

Moore concerns me because he's got Lofton grabbing up tackles in front of him, and Atlanta has a decent d-line and a scheme (Jacksonville's) that doesn't seem to produce top S numbers.

A tackle grabbing MLB didn't hurt Yeremiah Bell or Gibril Wilson or Eric Weddle or Michael Lewis last season. The scheme concern is legitimate, but mitigated some by the fact that Erik Coleman (80 solos) and Lawyer Milloy (76 solos) finished fifth and ninth respectively among safeties in solo tackles last season.I appreciate the focus on Delmas as a very good all-around player and like Chung and Michael Mitchell as well as a few other deep tier rookie safeties, but I think people -- and not necessarily T Bell here -- are looking for a reason to dislike Moore. I think it might become a very similar situation to that of Jerod Mayo last year. This kid can play, will start right away and has better opportunity than what may appear at first glance.

Has he been named the starter yet?

He was working with the second team in the first minicamp, but Dimitroff strongly suggested he would play when commenting on his selection.

 

[T Bell]

Moore concerns me because he's got Lofton grabbing up tackles in front of him, and Atlanta has a decent d-line and a scheme (Jacksonville's) that doesn't seem to produce top S numbers.

A tackle grabbing MLB didn't hurt Yeremiah Bell or Gibril Wilson or Eric Weddle or Michael Lewis last season. The scheme concern is legitimate, but mitigated some by the fact that Erik Coleman (80 solos) and Lawyer Milloy (76 solos) finished fifth and ninth respectively among safeties in solo tackles last season.I appreciate the focus on Delmas as a very good all-around player and like Chung and Michael Mitchell as well as a few other deep tier rookie safeties, but I think people -- and not necessarily T Bell here -- are looking for a reason to dislike Moore. I think it might become a very similar situation to that of Jerod Mayo last year. This kid can play, will start right away and has better opportunity than what may appear at first glance.

Has he been named the starter yet?

He was working with the second team in the first minicamp, but Dimitroff strongly suggested he would play when commenting on his selection.

Yeah, I took his work with the second team as the standard rookie runaround about "earning your spot" - I fully expect Moore to start.

 

[jgb95]

i got both in the late 2nd round as S is my only real need on my team.

Thanks for the info guys!

 

[T Bell]

Moore just went at 5.07 (63) in a 14-team large roster dynasty draft. I couldn't believe he fell that low. I tried desperately to trade up into that round to get him but there were no takers.

 

[Tick]

I think tackle opportunity in Atlanta for a safety has gone up because Boley is no longer there.Boley played 3 downs and Mike Peterson is getting a bit old. I see him being about the same as Brooking last year.There isn't really a replacement for Boley in coverage so I would expect the safeties to have to make more tackles.

That's an angle I hadn't thought of - thanks for sharing.