Thoughts/projections for Willis McGahee this season? He was considered an RB2 with RB1 upside going into the season, but his value seems to have dropped after a mediocre game 1 to start the season, and what appears Moreno being more involved in the passing game then expected. Whats McGahee's outlook going forward?
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Willis McGahee still a solid RB2? (1 Viewer)
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He played 2/3 of the snaps Sunday night (don't know how many passing downs) and looked decent vs. a stout run defense. I read a preseason article today on Manning and the Broncos and it talked about how much time Peyton put in with the team during the offseason - how much he demands from his teammates in knowing where to be and what to do. Made me think McGahee as the veteran of that RB corps is going to be the top dog b/c Manning trusts him the most.I'm hoping for some good rushing stats and a goal line TD in a high scoring game Monday night...
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I wasn't buying this year. DEN ran the ball 62% of the time last year and had Tebow under center who opened up running lanes. The offense is more conventional now which IMO simply limits his upside. I'd still consider him a strong flex but would have a hard time leaning on him as my RB2. It doesn't help his case that Moreno of all people is getting GL work. I remember when it was McGahee who was the GL vulture in BAL, seems odd.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I"ll be surprised if he doesn't have a pretty solid fantasy season. The run just wasn't there against Pittsburgh but they aren't playing them every week. I don't own him in any leagues but Rbs playing with Peyton Manning usually have a pretty decent season.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
I'm not a fan. I view him as more of a RB2/3. Limited number of catches so a downgrade in PPR. Might get some goal-line love, but he seems to be randomly subbed out for Moreno and Ball right now. I'm not sure what Hillman's status will do as time goes on, but I'm guessing he starts to be more involved.
spitkickers
Footballguy
I think McGahee looks great going forward. Moreno did nothing. Trade for him now and in 2 or 3 weeks watch how Manning shredding D's through the air opens lanes for McGahee. Behind Manning guys like Addai and Brown looked great...just sayin'.
Buy McGahee. He is going to be a stud RB2 and borderline RB1. The first game only solidified that stance for me with 4.0 YPC against a stout run D. Those saying Moreno is a GL vulture didn't watch the game. Moreno got lucky spelling McGahee near the GL is more accurate. McGahee is going to get the majority of GL chances and I think he proved in the first game that 4.0 YPC is his floor.
cheesedoodle
Footballguy
I have a few view points on this. First, i has very high on McGahee going into the draft. I ranked him higher than most based on him being a workhorse on a solid team led by the great Peyton Manning. I figured the Denver offense should be improved and Manning will need a reliable RB during his ramp up from his injury. After week one, McGahee and Manning looked good. Yet I walked away thinking I may have overvalued him and really can't put my finger on why since they both looked good. All I can think of is that, when is the last time a Peyton Manning led offense had a really good fantasy RB? You have to go back to Edge James....so maybe although it seems logical McGahee should be a borderline RB1...reality is that Manning will pass first and a RB1 in his offense is very rare.food for thought....
McGahee was a stud with Timothy Tebow taking snaps. I can't imagine Peyton making him less of one.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Correct
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
You can when you realize how much the option opens up the run game.
Yeah, I just don't buy that argument with Tebow...Vick or Newton sure. McGahee looked spry man no doubt about it. He had a early fumble that was awful but other than that he looked good. Against below .500 teams he's going to rack up some yardage.
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cubbie5150
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Tebow averaged more rushing yards per start than Vick did in 2010 and Cam last year. Tebow was an absolute nightmare for teams to plan for. I do agree after watching a replay of the game McGahee did look spry but I just cannot ignore what Tebow did for him last year. The sample size is definitely too small though, we'll see how he does against ATL this week.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
Wat?
Agreed there was not much of a sample size. On the flip side, he did get 16 carries in a game where Denver only had the ball 3 times in second half. I don't see how that is a bad thing.Glad to see someone pointing this out.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Dammit Donald!
Silver & Black
Footballguy
I think he is a very solid #2 rb. Manning looked great, in every way. He is like a surgeon and is a true student of the game. He's a first guy in and last guy out of the building kind of guy and works very, very hard at his craft. And everyone in the league knows it. I feel this is key because now every opponent has to respect the pass in a big way. What's more, teams have to be very careful about blitzing as well. Manning is simply unreal at identifying the blitz pre-snap and audibling around it as we saw on that buble screen TD pass in week 1.
I think all of these factors set McGahee up to succeed in 2012. He's a veteran and runs hard. He is good at picking up the blitz and it looks like Manning trusts him. I don't see any real reason to think he won't be an excellent #2 back and possibly a low end #1.
I think all of these factors set McGahee up to succeed in 2012. He's a veteran and runs hard. He is good at picking up the blitz and it looks like Manning trusts him. I don't see any real reason to think he won't be an excellent #2 back and possibly a low end #1.
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Native
Footballguy
Huge expectations for Willis as the season progresses. Fox loves veteran RB's and Peyton leans heavily on them in the passing game. This is going to be a top offense and McGahee will be the primary back in the offense. Even the Ronnie Hillman talk has gone away which should mean a bigger load than people were anticipating in the preseason. Big time buyer
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
When did Moreno get goal line work last week? A 7-yard touchdown run is NOT goal line work.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
He got the rock in the RZ. Either way, it's a knock of McGahee.
In what world is Moreno the better goalline back? McGahee was stealing Rice's touchdowns a few years back..
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Week 1, Matt Forte got a 6 yard TD run; is that a knock of Bush as the Bears goal line back?
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I never said he was the better GL back.You guys can pretend Moreno scoring that TD doesn't effect McGahee's value. Whether or not it was just Moreno giving McGahee a breather or DEN wanting to see what Moreno offered, him converting that TD is in no way a good thing if you're a McGahee owner. He had a whopping four TDs last year anyway to go along 12 receptions, I'm not sold on him as a RB2. He seems extremely underwhelming. Now he loses Tebow and has more competition in the backfield. Yeah not sold.I also clearly should've said RZ instead of GL but you guys are just nitpicking now.
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Ghost Rider
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No one is nitpicking; we are just reacting to what you said. And when you say that Moreno is getting goal line work, which is incorrect thus far, I am gonna say so. People still come here for helpful info and having the facts straight is always a good thing.
And for the record, I do not have McGahee in any leagues and have Moreno stashed on my bench in several, so I am not some McGahee owner spinning things to try to make the player I own look better.
And for the record, I do not have McGahee in any leagues and have Moreno stashed on my bench in several, so I am not some McGahee owner spinning things to try to make the player I own look better.
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doeseatplace
Footballguy
Agreed. Same, I don't think anyone is questioning your premise; a lot of mixed opinions on McGahee's value in this thread. But the player package in one RZ set in the first game is not necessarily proof of Willis' impending demise.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Right, and I stated I fudged that part up before the nitpicking. He still got the rock in the RZ though. It's different than the GL of course, but to say that they are worlds apart, as if Moreno only touched the ball in between the 20's, is silly. If you give the ball to a RB when it's 1rst and goal, you clearly have some faith in him to convert a TD. That's my point.
Fair enough. I may look like an ### in the end for raggin on McGahee, but I truly don't see solid RB2 value here.
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SameSongNDance
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two_dollars
Footballguy
McGahee looks good tonight
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Nice preemptive
How do y'all think McGahee does against the Texans D this week? I'm a Houston Homer, and I can't get a read on it for Sunday.
The defensive numbers look good. JJ Watt is an amazing 3-4 DE, and just received defensive player of the week. The texans held MJD in check except for a later TD catch. Reggie Bush was running great vs the Texans in week 1, until Tannehill started getting his passes tipped and picked. So they had to get away from running with Bush once they fell behind.
McGahee (IMO) ran well against Pitt, and obviously great on ATL. Think he does well against Houston? I'm starting to think at least 80 yards rushing is possible. Had him benched, but now thinking of starting him as the game draws near.
The defensive numbers look good. JJ Watt is an amazing 3-4 DE, and just received defensive player of the week. The texans held MJD in check except for a later TD catch. Reggie Bush was running great vs the Texans in week 1, until Tannehill started getting his passes tipped and picked. So they had to get away from running with Bush once they fell behind.
McGahee (IMO) ran well against Pitt, and obviously great on ATL. Think he does well against Houston? I'm starting to think at least 80 yards rushing is possible. Had him benched, but now thinking of starting him as the game draws near.
cubbie5150
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Neither Mia nor Jax has QBs that would give Houston a reason to not stack the box...at least that's what I'm hanging my hat on. I'm starting McGahee @ Flex, figuring he'll get something like 70 yds rush, 1 recep 7 yds w/ a 50/50 shot at a TD. Just hoping Peyton can get him down there for a couple GL chances.'TheFly06 said:
I drafted McGahee in two leagues. Peyton loves to use his RB when he has a good one, and McGahee is a better RB than Peyton has had in a while. I think McGahee is top 10 with Manning at QB.
jonathanjoseph
Footballguy
MacGahee is still a good back and has more tread on the tires than other guys his age. I never wavered that he'd be redraft RB2 (being that I was sold on Manning returning to some level of prominence).
Now if I were able to sell high, I'd always do so with an older RB. But I have MacGahee in a number of leagues where I went Megatron and Graham/Gronk early and held out until rounds 4/5/6 for my RB2, so I'll be riding MacGahee all season.
Now if I were able to sell high, I'd always do so with an older RB. But I have MacGahee in a number of leagues where I went Megatron and Graham/Gronk early and held out until rounds 4/5/6 for my RB2, so I'll be riding MacGahee all season.
Islanders rule
Footballguy
I think Hillman will will emerge as the 3rd down scat-type back as the season progresses. Moreno will see less and less action. Ball will get some as well.
Me thinks Hillman will be gold in the 2nd half of the season.
Me thinks Hillman will be gold in the 2nd half of the season.
DoubleG
Footballguy
I dont know that I'd go that far - but he is definately a solid RB2 with RB1 upside depending on matchup. I think the Atlanta/Denver game might be a little misleading. Manning was clearly struggling, so Denver went to McGahee often to calm things down, slow down the pass rush and try to piece together some offense intil Manning could right the ship. I don't know that I see this happening much of the time. That said, I do like McGahee as a solid RB2. In fact, just to give an idea of value, I tried to trade Crabtree for him in dynasty (the team I was trying to trade with is injured at WR) - no dice. He felt he could get more - and in our league, 30 year old RBs are usually had fairly cheap.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
The thing about Manning is that he is smart enough to audible into a run play when the D is playing the pass. He did this plenty in Indy. So it will be often that McGahee is running in a situation that is favorable for him. I also do not see RB1 in him, but he should get good opportunities and goal line shots all year.
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
I tend to agree with this. I am going to Flex a TE over McGahee & Charles this week. Would love to start McGahee but man I am worried about that defense as well.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
What TE? I have to assume PPR. What flex TE is more likely to score than McGahee against any defense?
Maybe he has gronk and graham in a 4 person league?
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Or a dynasty league of any size.'Shawn said:
NCPanthersFan
Footballguy
Witten - PPR
