Slash N' Roses
Footballguy
I like both guys but Wilson just seems like he could blow up. Am I just getting to hyped up over some preseason games? Which guy would you pick and why?
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Wilson VS. Locker (1 Viewer)
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Abraham
Footballguy
Most QBs have a chance to "blow up." Most don't.
Probably. Doesn't make him a bad pick, just expecting the road to never be rocky is a little silly.
Depends on the league and scoring system.
Ouch.
This year, I'd much rather have Locker. Going to be the starting QB on a thinly modified run and shoot, with talented receivers at about 5 different positions, once Britt is back. Whole thing is starting to sniff of Jeff George in the June Jones era to me. Big arm, friendly system, no idea where he's throwing the ball.
Don't know if he'll succeed at it, but I like his chances of racking up points for me a little better than I like Wilson's while he's handing off and letting the defense do the heavy lifting.
But the bigger picture is I really have no interest in either.
Don't know if he'll succeed at it, but I like his chances of racking up points for me a little better than I like Wilson's while he's handing off and letting the defense do the heavy lifting.
But the bigger picture is I really have no interest in either.
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cr8f
Footballguy
I have him backing up Eli, but would;t start him yet. He could put up a Cam type of year but think Luck is better right now.I wonder how much they'll put on his shoulders. Running the ball 60% would be my guess with a good defense.
solorca
Footballguy
I drafted Locker in the last round (prior to winning the starting job, and a few days after he looked horrible in week 2) and picked Wilson up as a flier on the waiver wire. I've never carried three QB's (Ryan is my starter) on a redraft roster, but I'm doing it this time. I value Locker a little more for this season, but I think both have the potential to be top 12-14 performers this year.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Oc course Wilson.......you are guaranteed 5 to 10 extra points with the rushing every week
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Thinking with your heart methinks - tell me which quarterbacks who are ranked in the Top 15 that you think they will outscore this year?
Bo Skiboski
Footballguy
The Wilson love is out of control. Carrol's had them run a complex offense/large percentage of the playbook in the preseason while guys like RG3, Weeden and Locker have run barely anything. Same thing with the Jets hate. They haven't run anything but the most vanilla stuff they can. Let everyone else reach for Wilson, the guy is going to get killed. The Seahawks laying 3 at the Cardinals on opening day is an absolute joke. A rookie QB (for Seattle!!) laying a FG on the road opening day? Thanks Vegas!
tombonneau
Footballguy
I really like Locker's fantasy potential. I too could see him in the QB12 range, outscoring the likes of RG3, Cutler, Schaub, even Romo & Manning.I think the guy is going to rack up a lot of points with this legs, more than people think. Ironically, a rookie VY QB13 type season is highly plausible, with more passing and a bit less rushing.'Captain Hook said:
solorca
Footballguy
I said they had top 12-14 potential, not that I thought they would end up there. With that said, I wouldn't be shocked to see either of them out score Griffin, Luck, Schaub, etc. who are projected in that range. I'm definitely not "thinking with my heart", because I have little invested in either and will be starting Ryan over them on a weekly basis. I would have no problem cutting either one if they don't pan out.'Captain Hook said:
Locker is a guy who put up very good fantasy points in his limited time last year, so he has shown that he can do it. Wilson brings a lot to the table with the running ability, and that's my main reason for thinking he has a shot to put up decent fantasy points. I don't EXPECT either of them to be a definite fantasy qb1 (or even qb2) this year... but I certainly wouldn't be surprised by it.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Another thing not being mentioned in this is Locker has a much better chance of starting all 16 games. If Wilson struggles I don't think PC would hesitate to go to Flynn - especially if Hawks are competitive which IMO they will be in that division - whereas Locker would really have to stink it up completely and prove he's not the future for the Titans to pull him considering they are highly unlikely to be fighting for a playoff spot.
Bo, I guarantee you will look back after Sept. 9th and be embarrassed about what you wrote in this thread. Wilson and the 'Hawks defense by 20 + I say.
DoubleG
Footballguy
Ummm...have you seen Arizona's QBs????????
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Are you serious? You are not a good troll, don't quit your day job.
Not gonna lie....at this point I'm pretty shocked there are still Wilson detractors. You simply can't deny the kid's talent. I've always been one to outright ignore rookie QB's from a fantasy perspective but Wilson looks like the exception to the rule.
I can understand someone saying it's improbable...but some of you either dismiss the past or haven't been playing FF long enough to realize that surprises come out of nowhere every year.
Throw me in the group that thinks Wilson produces AT LEAST at a QB2 level right out of the gate.
I can understand someone saying it's improbable...but some of you either dismiss the past or haven't been playing FF long enough to realize that surprises come out of nowhere every year.
Throw me in the group that thinks Wilson produces AT LEAST at a QB2 level right out of the gate.
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biju
Footballguy
I think this may be more of an admonishment of the Cardinals as a whole and the general thought that Seattle's defense will be able to stop which ever poor ******* QB the Cards trot out there.
I'm confused...if Carroll made them run a complex "offense/large percentage of the playbook" and he did THAT well...doesn't it mean he's good? I'd be more worried about RG3, Weeden and Locker since they ran a base offense and were horrible to barely above average.
Goat Herders
Footballguy
Locker is good at two things: deep passes and scrambling. I would not be shocked to see him rush for 400 yards, have a completion percentage below 60%, and lead the league in touchdowns over 20 yards.
Bo Skiboski
Footballguy
No, it means they opened the playbook against backups and vanilla defensive schemes. The reason most coaches don't do that is to not let other teams have it on film. If you guys don't think Arizona has the horses defensively to shut down a rookie QB (with tape, thanks coach) you're fooling yourselves.
Goat Herders
Footballguy
I don't think you've been here the last couple of weeks.
Bo Skiboski
Footballguy
Sure. Skelton will start and be below average. My point was the love for Seattle's offense and Wilson in particular is based on their coach pressing on the gas in preseason. Opening day, rookie QB, on the road, first start ever...laying points? There are guys in Las Vegas who own large houses because of lines like this.Ummm...have you seen Arizona's QBs????????
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
biju
Footballguy
You have no idea what you're talking about if you think the Seahawks ran anything other than a pretty vanilla offense. Wilson didn't call any audibles against the KC *starting defense*, had only one designed roll-out and pretty evenly passed from the shotgun and from under center. They only ran 6 play-action fakes with zero gimmick plays.What I did see was him working with an '11' personnel grouping, the ball getting snapped, he looks to his isolated receiver (X), not seeing it and moving to his next read, making a quick throw and getting good yardage. This isn't something that every starter in the NFL does.It's not the offensive playcalling because Flynn was getting the same calls. He's just better prepared and knows where he's supposed to go with the ball. He's going to rip the Cardinals to shreds because they are going to have to play up to try to stop Marshawn Lynch.
stevesokol21
Footballguy
wilson will score 20 fantasy points the first week.
175tds 2tds passing
50 yards rushing
no turnovers... even if he does turn the ball over once or twice with those numbers, still not a bad day for him. but if he turns the ball over the numbers will most likely be higher in both categories
steve
175tds 2tds passing
50 yards rushing
no turnovers... even if he does turn the ball over once or twice with those numbers, still not a bad day for him. but if he turns the ball over the numbers will most likely be higher in both categories
steve
tombonneau
Footballguy
It does have sucker line written all over it. If Seattle gets pounded and the line sits at 2 you'll know something is up.Sure. Skelton will start and be below average. My point was the love for Seattle's offense and Wilson in particular is based on their coach pressing on the gas in preseason. Opening day, rookie QB, on the road, first start ever...laying points? There are guys in Las Vegas who own large houses because of lines like this.Ummm...have you seen Arizona's QBs????????
Bo Skiboski
Footballguy
Whoa, whoa, settle down Jaws. All we know is this: the Seattle coaching staff believes Wilson is their best starting QB at this point. The fantasy love for the guy is unfounded. Vegas sees them coming from a mile away in that opener. Perfect storm for Vegas.
biju
Footballguy
No, you made two specific statements that were incorrect and I corrected you. Now you're trying to worm your way out by trying to say it was about Vegas and not about the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. You're right that the Seahawks think he's their best option to win. You're right that the "love is unfounded" only in the sense that he hasn't played a regular season game. Your assertion that this love is based on scheming or against backups is wrong.
cr8f
Footballguy
I love how some guys are so sure of themselves they make adamant predictions. 50 yards could be 2 open runs. He's smarter than Vick and rarely takes big hits. How you run is more important that number of yards. His long runs are mostly when the defense has the middle open and usually runs toward the sidelines.
You are going to tell me he eludes big hits after watching him play roughly 6 quarters of meaningless football? Come on now that is a reach.
Bo Skiboski
Footballguy
bonesman
Footballguy
It's something his coach has remarked about on several occasions.
Yes it is. You're just grasping at straws at this point and hoping you hit. Plus, the two you hit don't say much. The one you missed on, if true, would have been more telling about Wilson's abilities. Seahawks preseason games weren't televised here so I wouldn't have been able to prove you wrong or right.
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I grabbed Wilson just to trade him, I knew the hype would be crazy. Locker sucks, he's Tebow with a better throwing motion. I draft Locker to trade him as well.
solorca
Footballguy
Same here. I have both guys and will keep one as a backup and trade the other. I have two NC State alums and one Wisconsin alum in my league, so something tells me Wilson will be the guy I trade off.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
Had this exact choice late rounds in a draft on Tuesday and really had a tough time with it. Decided to go with Wilson but in thinking about it, it's pretty hard to separate the two. Locker probably has slightly better weapons and the year of experience helps. He's the logical choice. But just based on the eye test, I thought Wilson looked a bit better in preseason and rolled the dice on him.
Surprisingly, Locker went undrafted, so there's still a chance I can reverse course after the first week or two.
Surprisingly, Locker went undrafted, so there's still a chance I can reverse course after the first week or two.
strong
Footballguy
Locker never even materialized at the collegiate level playing against soft-ish Pac 10 teams. He never took that step beyond promising underclassman.
Wilson, on the other hand, improved and became a monster in a very tough defensive conference.
I'd go with the guy with a longer track record of playing at an elite level.
Wilson, on the other hand, improved and became a monster in a very tough defensive conference.
I'd go with the guy with a longer track record of playing at an elite level.
Lavachebeadsman
Footballguy
Wilson, not close.
tombonneau
Footballguy
So I can expect 21ppg as a starter with a few more sprinkled in because he can actually throw? Sweet.
It can't be 2 runs, if it's what he averages. It has to be two runs every game...in the secondary...unprotected. The guy is a midget, and will get killed if he attempts this.People who aren't sure enough to make "adamant predictions" ought to #### and learn from those of us who are.
2 qb superflex....
I grabbed Locker in 3rd and Wilson in 6th. Cam is my #1
In auction $250, 12 starter league some butt wipe nominated Wilson for $19 and I went to $20 n won him bc the only other starter was Locker and i knew he would be expensive. $35, it paid off. Brees my #1
I grabbed Locker in 3rd and Wilson in 6th. Cam is my #1
In auction $250, 12 starter league some butt wipe nominated Wilson for $19 and I went to $20 n won him bc the only other starter was Locker and i knew he would be expensive. $35, it paid off. Brees my #1
