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Just curious what others opinion would be.

Do you think the Pats will run more with a semi hurt Brady/Welker or will it be business as usual and brady drops back 40 times.

 
Brady threw 40 passes four times last year. I doubt they would need him to do that against the Chiefs. They will probably run a little more than last year, but I would not expect any one back to be a bell cow running the ball. Expect a few extra rushing attempts but a RBBC.

 
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No and No, and like David said there are no worries in the Brady Camp this thread should be shut down.

People who drafted Maroney as their RB2 this year are in for a world of hurt

 
They're going to want to keep him fresh for the playoffs again this year. Hence the 5 backs.

 
Anyone who wants to understand what Belichick is thinking, or atleast as well as anyone else in the world with little to no information about what they actually do there in New England, needs to visit Patriots.com and listen/view the Belichick PCs. In in the 9/3 release, he basically said whatever they did last year has zero relevance to how theyll approach winning their games this year. Take that for what its worth. Brady's not throwing for 50TDs 5000yds again, and they have 2 more healthy RBs this season than they did virtually the entire year last year.

 
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Anyone who wants to understand what Belichick is thinking, or atleast as well as anyone else in the world with little to no information about what they actually do there in New England, needs to visit Patriots.com and listen/view the Belichick PCs. In in the 9/3 release, he basically said whatever they did last year has zero relevance to how theyll approach winning their games this year. Take that for what its worth. Brady's not throwing for 50TDs 5000yds again, and they have 2 more healthy RBs this season than they did virtually the entire year last year.
I'm glad you can understand what Bill B has to say . . . because most others seem to think that, yes, there are words that come out of his mouth but the consensus tends to think they are all meaningless drivel.
 
Brady threw 40 passes four times last year. I doubt they would need him to do that against the Chiefs. They will probably run a little more than last year, but I would not expect any one back to be a bell cow running the ball. Expect a few extra rushing attempts but a RBBC.
I agree that they should run some more in this game. The Chiefs defense was atrocious against the run last year. Their first round DT will help that some,but I still expect them to do poorly against the run.
 
Anyone who wants to understand what Belichick is thinking, or atleast as well as anyone else in the world with little to no information about what they actually do there in New England, needs to visit Patriots.com and listen/view the Belichick PCs. In in the 9/3 release, he basically said whatever they did last year has zero relevance to how theyll approach winning their games this year. Take that for what its worth. Brady's not throwing for 50TDs 5000yds again, and they have 2 more healthy RBs this season than they did virtually the entire year last year.
Agreed... but 4400/40 is not out of the question :tinfoilhat:
 
Just curious what others opinion would be.Do you think the Pats will run more with a semi hurt Brady/Welker or will it be business as usual and brady drops back 40 times.
easy schedule equates to more running, less passing.
Based on what exactly? Any evidence to support this or just your opinion?As for Brady not passing as much because of his foot, he had a sore foot against both the Chargers and Giants last year and threw the ball 33 and 48 times.I would guess that NE will have 30-35 running and 30-35 passing plays against the Chiefs. So basically a balanced attack overall, but probably more passes in the first half and more rushing attempts in the second half.
 
I already thought they would...

To all the Maroney haters out there, and even just the avoiders...

The Patriots will be much more of a rushing team this year.

Learn it . . . Live it . . . Love it

Belichick, more so than any other coach, goes with what will work. If you look at the Patriots schedule this year, they go against many really bad rush defenses, and not many bad pass defenses...

Here is the 2008 schedule with their opponent's 2007 fantasy points per game, or combined TDs and yards, rankings...

Team Rushing Passing

KC.......23...........03

NYJ......28...........06

Mia......31...........16

bye

SF.......17...........22

SD......15...........13

Den.....30...........12

StL......25...........23

Ind......12...........01

Buf......26...........21

NYJ......28...........06

Mia......31...........16

Pit.......02...........04

Sea.....21...........07

Oak.....32...........05

Ari.......14...........27

Buf......26...........21

Yes, those rankings will change this year, teams like Mia will probably be much better against the rush, but the trend of lighter running schedule compared to passing schedule should still be true.

Rushing

1 in the 10 - 01

3 in the 16 - 11

4 in the 25 - 17

8 in the 32 - 26

Or 4 games against top half rushing Ds, and 12 against bottom half

Passing

7 in the 10 - 01

4 in the 16 - 11

4 in the 25 - 17

1 in the 32 - 26

Or 11 games against top half passing Ds, and 5 against bottom half

So, what has the team done? Dropped Dante Stallworth without replacing him, and added Lemont Jordan. This seems to say the emphasis will be more on the running game.

I'm not saying that they will be a bad passing team, just nowhere near last year, probably around 10th, which is closer to their normal production with Brady.

This leaves more opportunities for the RB, and the starter is Maroney. At the end of the last season, when they did start running more, his per game average was 19.6 carries, 102 yards and 1.3 TDs. That's not bad. He could very easily finish as a top 10 RB this year, which is much higher then his current ADP of RB17.
 
I already thought they would...

To all the Maroney haters out there, and even just the avoiders...

The Patriots will be much more of a rushing team this year.

Learn it . . . Live it . . . Love it

Belichick, more so than any other coach, goes with what will work. If you look at the Patriots schedule this year, they go against many really bad rush defenses, and not many bad pass defenses...

Here is the 2008 schedule with their opponent's 2007 fantasy points per game, or combined TDs and yards, rankings...

Team Rushing Passing

KC.......23...........03

NYJ......28...........06

Mia......31...........16

bye

SF.......17...........22

SD......15...........13

Den.....30...........12

StL......25...........23

Ind......12...........01

Buf......26...........21

NYJ......28...........06

Mia......31...........16

Pit.......02...........04

Sea.....21...........07

Oak.....32...........05

Ari.......14...........27

Buf......26...........21

Yes, those rankings will change this year, teams like Mia will probably be much better against the rush, but the trend of lighter running schedule compared to passing schedule should still be true.

Rushing

1 in the 10 - 01

3 in the 16 - 11

4 in the 25 - 17

8 in the 32 - 26

Or 4 games against top half rushing Ds, and 12 against bottom half

Passing

7 in the 10 - 01

4 in the 16 - 11

4 in the 25 - 17

1 in the 32 - 26

Or 11 games against top half passing Ds, and 5 against bottom half

So, what has the team done? Dropped Dante Stallworth without replacing him, and added Lemont Jordan. This seems to say the emphasis will be more on the running game.

I'm not saying that they will be a bad passing team, just nowhere near last year, probably around 10th, which is closer to their normal production with Brady.

This leaves more opportunities for the RB, and the starter is Maroney. At the end of the last season, when they did start running more, his per game average was 19.6 carries, 102 yards and 1.3 TDs. That's not bad. He could very easily finish as a top 10 RB this year, which is much higher then his current ADP of RB17.
:lol: Nice job on backing up your theory. This was more about hte numbers than a random opinion. People always tend to look at the previous year and expect little change

I also can see NE D does not look to be as good as last year. I would think keeing them off the field will help them win, enter running game.

Welker is now the #2 he will see a true cb rather than safetys and backers.

The reality is NE is a much diffrent team than they were last year.

 
I already thought they would...

To all the Maroney haters out there, and even just the avoiders...

The Patriots will be much more of a rushing team this year.

Learn it . . . Live it . . . Love it

Belichick, more so than any other coach, goes with what will work. If you look at the Patriots schedule this year, they go against many really bad rush defenses, and not many bad pass defenses...

Here is the 2008 schedule with their opponent's 2007 fantasy points per game, or combined TDs and yards, rankings...

Team Rushing Passing

KC.......23...........03

NYJ......28...........06

Mia......31...........16

bye

SF.......17...........22

SD......15...........13

Den.....30...........12

StL......25...........23

Ind......12...........01

Buf......26...........21

NYJ......28...........06

Mia......31...........16

Pit.......02...........04

Sea.....21...........07

Oak.....32...........05

Ari.......14...........27

Buf......26...........21

Yes, those rankings will change this year, teams like Mia will probably be much better against the rush, but the trend of lighter running schedule compared to passing schedule should still be true.

Rushing

1 in the 10 - 01

3 in the 16 - 11

4 in the 25 - 17

8 in the 32 - 26

Or 4 games against top half rushing Ds, and 12 against bottom half

Passing

7 in the 10 - 01

4 in the 16 - 11

4 in the 25 - 17

1 in the 32 - 26

Or 11 games against top half passing Ds, and 5 against bottom half

So, what has the team done? Dropped Dante Stallworth without replacing him, and added Lemont Jordan. This seems to say the emphasis will be more on the running game.

I'm not saying that they will be a bad passing team, just nowhere near last year, probably around 10th, which is closer to their normal production with Brady.

This leaves more opportunities for the RB, and the starter is Maroney. At the end of the last season, when they did start running more, his per game average was 19.6 carries, 102 yards and 1.3 TDs. That's not bad. He could very easily finish as a top 10 RB this year, which is much higher then his current ADP of RB17.
:kicksrock: Nice job on backing up your theory. This was more about hte numbers than a random opinion. People always tend to look at the previous year and expect little change

I also can see NE D does not look to be as good as last year. I would think keeing them off the field will help them win, enter running game.

Welker is now the #2 he will see a true cb rather than safetys and backers.

The reality is NE is a much diffrent team than they were last year.
From what I can tell, the Pats D will be better than expected and the Pats offense will be somewhat disappointing (for those looking for uber stats again).
 
I think it's all smoke and mirrors. He'll be fine, and they'll run more than last year (but not by much). Does anyone else think that with all the RBs it will be RB-screen-a-palooza?

 
I think it's all smoke and mirrors. He'll be fine, and they'll run more than last year (but not by much). Does anyone else think that with all the RBs it will be RB-screen-a-palooza?
Screen a palooza yes . . . RUNNING BACK screen a palooza, not so much. I can attest to the Pats practicing a ton of screens to Welker, Moss, Thomas, and Gaffney. I'm sure we will also see some from Faulk and Jordan too, but I would think we will see a return to the dink and dunk passing style from a few years ago due to the OL injuries and blitz packages the Pats will see.
 
I think it's all smoke and mirrors. He'll be fine, and they'll run more than last year (but not by much). Does anyone else think that with all the RBs it will be RB-screen-a-palooza?
Screen a palooza yes . . . RUNNING BACK screen a palooza, not so much. I can attest to the Pats practicing a ton of screens to Welker, Moss, Thomas, and Gaffney. I'm sure we will also see some from Faulk and Jordan too, but I would think we will see a return to the dink and dunk passing style from a few years ago due to the OL injuries and blitz packages the Pats will see.
Makes sense. I can't really make a prediction about this since I don't have the proper knowledge, but how was Maroney as a receiving back in college? I know he hasn't done too much pass-catching with the Patriots, but I wasn't sure if this was because he either sucked as a receiving back, was injured, or just happened to be on an offense with a smorgasbord of other receiving options. I suppose I could probably answer my own question, but I figured I'd at least throw it out there. I'll get-a-searchin.
 
I think it's all smoke and mirrors. He'll be fine, and they'll run more than last year (but not by much). Does anyone else think that with all the RBs it will be RB-screen-a-palooza?
Screen a palooza yes . . . RUNNING BACK screen a palooza, not so much. I can attest to the Pats practicing a ton of screens to Welker, Moss, Thomas, and Gaffney. I'm sure we will also see some from Faulk and Jordan too, but I would think we will see a return to the dink and dunk passing style from a few years ago due to the OL injuries and blitz packages the Pats will see.
Makes sense. I can't really make a prediction about this since I don't have the proper knowledge, but how was Maroney as a receiving back in college? I know he hasn't done too much pass-catching with the Patriots, but I wasn't sure if this was because he either sucked as a receiving back, was injured, or just happened to be on an offense with a smorgasbord of other receiving options. I suppose I could probably answer my own question, but I figured I'd at least throw it out there. I'll get-a-searchin.
21 receptions in 36 games in college.The problem with Maroney last year was that he was used almost entirely in running downs in running packages . . . Faulk was the one in the game on passing downs. He did extremely well in the few times he caught the ball (29.0 ypr) but they generally brought him in to run not catch the football.
 
I think it's all smoke and mirrors. He'll be fine, and they'll run more than last year (but not by much). Does anyone else think that with all the RBs it will be RB-screen-a-palooza?
Screen a palooza yes . . . RUNNING BACK screen a palooza, not so much. I can attest to the Pats practicing a ton of screens to Welker, Moss, Thomas, and Gaffney. I'm sure we will also see some from Faulk and Jordan too, but I would think we will see a return to the dink and dunk passing style from a few years ago due to the OL injuries and blitz packages the Pats will see.
Makes sense. I can't really make a prediction about this since I don't have the proper knowledge, but how was Maroney as a receiving back in college? I know he hasn't done too much pass-catching with the Patriots, but I wasn't sure if this was because he either sucked as a receiving back, was injured, or just happened to be on an offense with a smorgasbord of other receiving options. I suppose I could probably answer my own question, but I figured I'd at least throw it out there. I'll get-a-searchin.
21 receptions in 36 games in college.The problem with Maroney last year was that he was used almost entirely in running downs in running packages . . . Faulk was the one in the game on passing downs. He did extremely well in the few times he caught the ball (29.0 ypr) but they generally brought him in to run not catch the football.
One of my big issues with the Pats is how they use Maroney. They seem to think he's like a Corey Dillon and I don't think that's the best use of his skills. He's just not a pounder. He can do it but that's not his bread and butter. IMO he's better off in the open field and I'd love to see him get much more involved in the passing game.
 
I think it's all smoke and mirrors. He'll be fine, and they'll run more than last year (but not by much). Does anyone else think that with all the RBs it will be RB-screen-a-palooza?
Screen a palooza yes . . . RUNNING BACK screen a palooza, not so much. I can attest to the Pats practicing a ton of screens to Welker, Moss, Thomas, and Gaffney. I'm sure we will also see some from Faulk and Jordan too, but I would think we will see a return to the dink and dunk passing style from a few years ago due to the OL injuries and blitz packages the Pats will see.
Makes sense. I can't really make a prediction about this since I don't have the proper knowledge, but how was Maroney as a receiving back in college? I know he hasn't done too much pass-catching with the Patriots, but I wasn't sure if this was because he either sucked as a receiving back, was injured, or just happened to be on an offense with a smorgasbord of other receiving options. I suppose I could probably answer my own question, but I figured I'd at least throw it out there. I'll get-a-searchin.
21 receptions in 36 games in college.The problem with Maroney last year was that he was used almost entirely in running downs in running packages . . . Faulk was the one in the game on passing downs. He did extremely well in the few times he caught the ball (29.0 ypr) but they generally brought him in to run not catch the football.
One of my big issues with the Pats is how they use Maroney. They seem to think he's like a Corey Dillon and I don't think that's the best use of his skills. He's just not a pounder. He can do it but that's not his bread and butter. IMO he's better off in the open field and I'd love to see him get much more involved in the passing game.
I personally would like to see him in motion going to the side with Moss and Welker and fill the spot they vacate. That would be a defensive coverage NIGHTMARE if he could catch at all.
 
I think it's all smoke and mirrors. He'll be fine, and they'll run more than last year (but not by much). Does anyone else think that with all the RBs it will be RB-screen-a-palooza?
Screen a palooza yes . . . RUNNING BACK screen a palooza, not so much. I can attest to the Pats practicing a ton of screens to Welker, Moss, Thomas, and Gaffney. I'm sure we will also see some from Faulk and Jordan too, but I would think we will see a return to the dink and dunk passing style from a few years ago due to the OL injuries and blitz packages the Pats will see.
Makes sense. I can't really make a prediction about this since I don't have the proper knowledge, but how was Maroney as a receiving back in college? I know he hasn't done too much pass-catching with the Patriots, but I wasn't sure if this was because he either sucked as a receiving back, was injured, or just happened to be on an offense with a smorgasbord of other receiving options. I suppose I could probably answer my own question, but I figured I'd at least throw it out there. I'll get-a-searchin.
21 receptions in 36 games in college.The problem with Maroney last year was that he was used almost entirely in running downs in running packages . . . Faulk was the one in the game on passing downs. He did extremely well in the few times he caught the ball (29.0 ypr) but they generally brought him in to run not catch the football.
One of my big issues with the Pats is how they use Maroney. They seem to think he's like a Corey Dillon and I don't think that's the best use of his skills. He's just not a pounder. He can do it but that's not his bread and butter. IMO he's better off in the open field and I'd love to see him get much more involved in the passing game.
I personally would like to see him in motion going to the side with Moss and Welker and fill the spot they vacate. That would be a defensive coverage NIGHTMARE if he could catch at all.
Agreed..the bottomline is I just don't think they are very creative with him. I'd like to see him used in a manner that puts more pressure on the defense. Right now there's just too many predictable runs up the middle.As for the catching it would seem by his lack of use they don't have a ton of confidence in him in this area but he's looked pretty solid in that area when they've used him.
 
Didn't the Patriots go undefeated in the regular season? Wasn't the SB a fluke? Who is going to stop them, you?

pats might run it a little more but they still are going to air it out, they are built to get the ball into Moss and Welker's hands, they have Watson back, Gaffney now full time on the field...why are people bothered?

 
Didn't the Patriots go undefeated in the regular season? Wasn't the SB a fluke? Who is going to stop them, you?pats might run it a little more but they still are going to air it out, they are built to get the ball into Moss and Welker's hands, they have Watson back, Gaffney now full time on the field...why are people bothered?
No it was not a fluke. Add a Broken foot QB minus Dante Stallworth. Gaffney was the 4th option for a reason,he did not all the sudden become good. Welker will see a "REAL" CB every play now and not a safety or linebacker. This is not the team from last year.Last time a team was "built to get the ball in Moss hands it was called the Randy Ratio. Anyone remember how that turned out?Edit to add.. What got them past Jville and San Diego last year come playoff time? If I recall it was thier run game.
 
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lol @ all these stupid posts....he's a stud!!! There is absolutly no one in the league you would or should bench him for, even if he loses his foot, he still can throw more TD's the half the bums in the league!!!

Brady = play him every week you can!!!

STOP OVER COACHING PEOPLE!!! :goodposting:

 
Didn't the Patriots go undefeated in the regular season? Wasn't the SB a fluke? Who is going to stop them, you?pats might run it a little more but they still are going to air it out, they are built to get the ball into Moss and Welker's hands, they have Watson back, Gaffney now full time on the field...why are people bothered?
No it was not a fluke. Add a Broken foot QB minus Dante Stallworth. Gaffney was the 4th option for a reason,he did not all the sudden become good. Welker will see a "REAL" CB every play now and not a safety or linebacker. This is not the team from last year.Edit to add.. What got them past Jville and San Diego last year come playoff time? If I recall it was thier run game.
I remember Brady helping a little against Jax...26/28 for 262 yards with 3 TDs.
 
Didn't the Patriots go undefeated in the regular season? Wasn't the SB a fluke? Who is going to stop them, you?pats might run it a little more but they still are going to air it out, they are built to get the ball into Moss and Welker's hands, they have Watson back, Gaffney now full time on the field...why are people bothered?
No it was not a fluke. Add a Broken foot QB minus Dante Stallworth. Gaffney was the 4th option for a reason,he did not all the sudden become good. Welker will see a "REAL" CB every play now and not a safety or linebacker. This is not the team from last year.Last time a team was "built to get the ball in Moss hands it was called the Randy Ratio. Anyone remember how that turned out?Edit to add.. What got them past Jville and San Diego last year come playoff time? If I recall it was thier run game.
Stallworth was basically kicked to the curb almost late in the season ( 9 receptions in the last 5 games). Gaffney had taken his job even then. Not sure the passing game fell to pieces without Stallworth playing very much.
 
I remember Brady helping a little against Jax...26/28 for 262 yards with 3 TDs.
that's just because he was surprising the league.NOW coaches have film to study over the offseason.couldn't you see how he tailed off later in the season, after THE BLUEPRINT!1!1 was revealed?
 
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I remember Brady helping a little against Jax...26/28 for 262 yards with 3 TDs.
that's just because he was surprising the league.NOW coaches have film to study over the offseason.couldn't you see how he tailed off later in the season?
Yes!!! You are Correct although I don't think you meant to but his next 2 games he went forVS SD he was 22/33 209 yds 2td'd 3 int's then, vs NYG he was 29-48 1 td 0int so on the bright side as long as he drops back 49 times you can bank on 250 + ydsand in the last 3 and most important playoff/ Superbowl games Moss was an outstanding 7-88 and 1td (combined) BLUEPRINT is exactly correct.
 
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Given that they lost the Super Bowl because their opponent decided to just ignore the run and rear back and rush Brady all out, I would imagine that the Patriots will be running a lot more this year regardless of Brady's health.

 
Didn't the Patriots go undefeated in the regular season? Wasn't the SB a fluke? Who is going to stop them, you?pats might run it a little more but they still are going to air it out, they are built to get the ball into Moss and Welker's hands, they have Watson back, Gaffney now full time on the field...why are people bothered?
No it was not a fluke. Add a Broken foot QB minus Dante Stallworth. Gaffney was the 4th option for a reason,he did not all the sudden become good. Welker will see a "REAL" CB every play now and not a safety or linebacker. This is not the team from last year.Last time a team was "built to get the ball in Moss hands it was called the Randy Ratio. Anyone remember how that turned out?Edit to add.. What got them past Jville and San Diego last year come playoff time? If I recall it was thier run game.
Based on this response in a thread you started, I'm guessing your intention was less fantasy football related and more fantasy demise of the Patriots related? If that is the case, I'm not sure the rational responses you are getting here are going to leave you fulfilled.As far as this weekend, the weather & Brady's foot should certainly factor into their game plan and I would expect lots and lots of running if/when the Pats get up by two scores.For the rest of the season, I agree with DY you won't see too much of a deviation from last year's run/pass mix, though I don't think anyone else is expecting last year's record-breaking results.
 
I remember Brady helping a little against Jax...26/28 for 262 yards with 3 TDs.
that's just because he was surprising the league.NOW coaches have film to study over the offseason.couldn't you see how he tailed off later in the season?
Yes!!! You are Correct although I don't think you meant to but his next 2 games he went forVS SD he was 22/33 209 yds 2td'd 3 int's then, vs NYG he was 29-48 1 td 0int so on the bright side as long as he drops back 49 times you can bank on 250 + yds
FINALLY, the league got around to watching that film --- took them long enough.look for brady to throw for 3000 yds, 20 td's to 24 picks this year, now that they've got him figured out.
 
Didn't the Patriots go undefeated in the regular season? Wasn't the SB a fluke? Who is going to stop them, you?pats might run it a little more but they still are going to air it out, they are built to get the ball into Moss and Welker's hands, they have Watson back, Gaffney now full time on the field...why are people bothered?
No it was not a fluke. Add a Broken foot QB minus Dante Stallworth. Gaffney was the 4th option for a reason,he did not all the sudden become good. Welker will see a "REAL" CB every play now and not a safety or linebacker. This is not the team from last year.Last time a team was "built to get the ball in Moss hands it was called the Randy Ratio. Anyone remember how that turned out?Edit to add.. What got them past Jville and San Diego last year come playoff time? If I recall it was thier run game.
Based on this response in a thread you started, I'm guessing your intention was less fantasy football related and more fantasy demise of the Patriots related? If that is the case, I'm not sure the rational responses you are getting here are going to leave you fulfilled.As far as this weekend, the weather & Brady's foot should certainly factor into their game plan and I would expect lots and lots of running if/when the Pats get up by two scores.For the rest of the season, I agree with DY you won't see too much of a deviation from last year's run/pass mix, though I don't think anyone else is expecting last year's record-breaking results.
You are way off.I actually like the Pats as a team and was routing for them in the Superbowl (one of the few) so you guessed incorrectly.. I am stating my opinion that if they fallow the same blueprint they will fall short once agian.
 
Given that they lost the Super Bowl because their opponent decided to just ignore the run and rear back and rush Brady all out, I would imagine that the Patriots will be running a lot more this year regardless of Brady's health.
Which would make perfect sense . . . if the Pats were good running the football. People forget that even with the fireworks passing the ball that NE ranked 9th in rushing attempts last season.
 
Didn't the Patriots go undefeated in the regular season? Wasn't the SB a fluke? Who is going to stop them, you?pats might run it a little more but they still are going to air it out, they are built to get the ball into Moss and Welker's hands, they have Watson back, Gaffney now full time on the field...why are people bothered?
No it was not a fluke. Add a Broken foot QB minus Dante Stallworth. Gaffney was the 4th option for a reason,he did not all the sudden become good. Welker will see a "REAL" CB every play now and not a safety or linebacker. This is not the team from last year.Last time a team was "built to get the ball in Moss hands it was called the Randy Ratio. Anyone remember how that turned out?Edit to add.. What got them past Jville and San Diego last year come playoff time? If I recall it was thier run game.
Based on this response in a thread you started, I'm guessing your intention was less fantasy football related and more fantasy demise of the Patriots related? If that is the case, I'm not sure the rational responses you are getting here are going to leave you fulfilled.As far as this weekend, the weather & Brady's foot should certainly factor into their game plan and I would expect lots and lots of running if/when the Pats get up by two scores.For the rest of the season, I agree with DY you won't see too much of a deviation from last year's run/pass mix, though I don't think anyone else is expecting last year's record-breaking results.
You are way off.I actually like the Pats as a team and was routing for them in the Superbowl (one of the few) so you guessed incorrectly.. I am stating my opinion that if they fallow the same blueprint they will fall short once agian.
My bad. Reading that previous response though certainly came off as having an agenda. But that can happen quickly scanning threads at work.
David Yudkin Posted Today, 08:29 PM QUOTE (FreeBaGeL @ Sep 4 2008, 01:24 AM) *Given that they lost the Super Bowl because their opponent decided to just ignore the run and rear back and rush Brady all out, I would imagine that the Patriots will be running a lot more this year regardless of Brady's health.Which would make perfect sense . . . if the Pats were good running the football. People forget that even with the fireworks passing the ball that NE ranked 9th in rushing attempts last season.
Didn't the Pats average 4.5 ypc last season? Whatever the number was, I thought I read it was the best since like 1986. I wouldn't say they are "not good" running the football. Not great, but not not good. (If that isn't not enough negatives for you I may or may not not have more ...)
 
Didn't the Pats average 4.5 ypc last season? Whatever the number was, I thought I read it was the best since like 1986. I wouldn't say they are "not good" running the football. Not great, but not not good. (If that isn't not enough negatives for you I may or may not not have more ...)
They were far better last year than in prior years (ypc wise), but it would make sense given that teams had no choice but to scheme for the pass. If they get away from the pass happy scheme they had and teams could better plan for an equal distribution, I suspect that their ypc would go back down. But you partly answered what I was saying that historically (save the Dillon monster year) really were not great running the ball.
 
for some reason yudkin thinks they can't run the ball, despite what football outsiders have to say on the matter.

he's a dallas fan, though, so you'd have to question his state of mind....

 
for some reason yudkin thinks they can't run the ball, despite what football outsiders have to say on the matter.he's a dallas fan, though, so you'd have to question his state of mind....
Since Bill B came to town, the Pats have ranked 28th, 24th, 27th, 30th, 18th, 30th, 18th, and 14th in team ypc. I guess maybe we should call them "Denver East."
 
I posted this opinion in another thread, but I believe the Pats will run more and throw less than last year. It helps the defense which will not be as good as last year, it'll be a few less plays that the MVP is exposed to guys teeing off on him behind a line that's been shaky this pre-season, it'll keep defenses more honest/off balance, and the skill personnel fits it better than last year.

 
No and No, and like David said there are no worries in the Brady Camp this thread should be shut down.People who drafted Maroney as their RB2 this year are in for a world of hurt
lol I take it you banked your draft on Brady.. Good luck this season buddy :thumbup:
No actually I didnt I did draft Moss though and Welker in some leagues, I just think its crazy how you guys are saying their going to run the ball more this year because of their schedule, was last year really any different?I see a RBBC here and maroney getting a little more but to think he will get 80-100 a week and a score is a little to much for me to believe at this time.
 
Didn't the Patriots go undefeated in the regular season? Wasn't the SB a fluke? Who is going to stop them, you?pats might run it a little more but they still are going to air it out, they are built to get the ball into Moss and Welker's hands, they have Watson back, Gaffney now full time on the field...why are people bothered?
No it was not a fluke. Add a Broken foot QB minus Dante Stallworth. Gaffney was the 4th option for a reason,he did not all the sudden become good. Welker will see a "REAL" CB every play now and not a safety or linebacker. This is not the team from last year.Last time a team was "built to get the ball in Moss hands it was called the Randy Ratio. Anyone remember how that turned out?Edit to add.. What got them past Jville and San Diego last year come playoff time? If I recall it was thier run game.
I have seen this from comment a couple of times now... that Welker is the #2 and will see a real CB. Welker was the #2 most of the year last year, but the Patriots were very rarely in a 2 WR set. In 3, 4, 5 WR sets, Welker lines up in the slot to create the favorable matchups that he exploited all last year. I don't see that changing. Welker will probably take about 60-70% of his snaps from the slot.And as others have noted, Stallworth was phased out last year in favor of Gaffney, who seems to have a good repore with his QB. While Stallworth is a beast after the catch, and has tremendous downfield speed, I don't think he's the best route-runner, and I don't see him adjust to the ball in the air as well as you'd like to see for a downfield threat. Gaffney may be a better option in this offense as an intermediate threat. I do expect to see an uptick in carries, but this team is not going to become the 70's Steelers overnight. They will be among the league leaders in passing offense, just not 25% ahead of #2.
 
Anyone who wants to understand what Belichick is thinking, or atleast as well as anyone else in the world with little to no information about what they actually do there in New England, needs to visit Patriots.com and listen/view the Belichick PCs. In in the 9/3 release, he basically said whatever they did last year has zero relevance to how theyll approach winning their games this year. Take that for what its worth. Brady's not throwing for 50TDs 5000yds again, and they have 2 more healthy RBs this season than they did virtually the entire year last year.
I'm glad you can understand what Bill B has to say . . . because most others seem to think that, yes, there are words that come out of his mouth but the consensus tends to think they are all meaningless drivel.
Dave, I just dont get you sometimes big guy. Re-read that snippet, and tell me again in there where I said I understand the guy. Dont get so insulted when not everyone buys into everything single thing you say regarding the Pats, for god's sake. Ive CLEARLY suggested here that people simply need to listen to the man's PCs and decide for themselves. The warning signs are there regarding this passing O. Theyve had O line problems. Matt Light hasnt practiced virtually the entire preseason. Didnt happen last year. Stephen Neal, their starting RG, has been PUPed. Didnt happen last year. Their RT Kaczur is a mess. He's practicing out of position all over the field, and has the offseason drug situation. Where his head is exactly is anyone's guess. They lose Stallworth, lose another hopeful replacement option in Chad Jackson, are dealing with a fairly significant Ben Watson knee injury, a Brady foot 'injury', and the natural element of time has afforded all of their opponents to study up on them just that much more. Do I 'understand' that the New England passing game might not quite function the same as last year? Yes. That's my general understanding. But others obviously can and will decide for themselves.

 
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Anyone who wants to understand what Belichick is thinking, or atleast as well as anyone else in the world with little to no information about what they actually do there in New England, needs to visit Patriots.com and listen/view the Belichick PCs. In in the 9/3 release, he basically said whatever they did last year has zero relevance to how theyll approach winning their games this year. Take that for what its worth. Brady's not throwing for 50TDs 5000yds again, and they have 2 more healthy RBs this season than they did virtually the entire year last year.
I'm glad you can understand what Bill B has to say . . . because most others seem to think that, yes, there are words that come out of his mouth but the consensus tends to think they are all meaningless drivel.
Dave, I just dont get you sometimes big guy. Re-read that snippet, and tell me again in there where I said I understand the guy. Dont get so insulted when not everyone buys into everything single thing you say regarding the Pats, for god's sake. Ive CLEARLY suggested here that people simply need to listen to the man's PCs and decide for themselves. The warning signs are there regarding this passing O. Theyve had O line problems. Matt Light hasnt practiced virtually the entire preseason. Didnt happen last year. Stephen Neal, their starting RG, has been PUPed. Didnt happen last year. Their RT Kaczur is a mess. He's practicing out of position all over the field, and has the offseason drug situation. Where his head is exactly is anyone's guess. They lose Stallworth, lose another hopeful replacement option in Chad Jackson, are dealing with a fairly significant Ben Watson knee injury, a Brady foot 'injury', and the natural element of time has afforded all of their opponents to study up on them just that much more. Do I 'understand' that the New England passing game might not quite function the same as last year? Yes. That's my general understanding. But others obviously can and will decide for themselves.
:hifive: BB didn't sign another ex-1000 yard rusher not to use him.

 
Not that anyone really cares (and not that it specifically is relevant to the Pats this year), but there have been 18 other teams that had passed for over 4,500 yards before (since 1978).

Those teams averaged 4,737 passing yards and 1,720 rushing yards. Those teams the following year saw their passing yards drop to 4,183 yards on average (as expected). But they also saw their rushing yards GO DOWN to 1,650 yards.

The Pats fall almost in line with those averages. They had 4,731 passing yards and 1,849 rushing yards last year. If they turn out exactly "average," they would end up with 4,177 and 1,773 respectively this year.

 

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