With the #1 Overall Pick, the Chicago Bears select… (1 Viewer)

[TartanLion]

They would definitely be smart to trade back. What will teams be willing to offer is the question. I love Breece's game and talent but he's is really small. Will teams be willing to invest so much into a guy smaller than Kyler?

I'd be surprised if that was considered a serious knock on Young.

Young has shown he’s better than Murray, IMO. He can make all the throws and his poise under pressure is legendary. He’s gonna be a fine pro.

He and Stroud are clearly the QB1-2 in whichever order. Stroud’s performance on NYE against that tough defense answered any questions about his game IMO.

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

 

[Ilov80s]

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

Yeah, I mostly agree with you but at some point there has to be a thresh hold, right? I just get a little nervous and I think many teams will too.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

They would definitely be smart to trade back. What will teams be willing to offer is the question. I love Breece's game and talent but he's is really small. Will teams be willing to invest so much into a guy smaller than Kyler?

I'd be surprised if that was considered a serious knock on Young.

Young has shown he’s better than Murray, IMO. He can make all the throws and his poise under pressure is legendary. He’s gonna be a fine pro.

He and Stroud are clearly the QB1-2 in whichever order. Stroud’s performance on NYE against that tough defense answered any questions about his game IMO.

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

I agree. Additionally, I’m seeing a ridiculous amount of hype about Levis, and it’s giving me flashbacks to Zach Wilson.

Lots of YouTube video showing Levis making crazy arm throws against very little competition has people gushing about him. Mel Kiper apparently loves him.

Meanwhile, those videos conveniently leave out the braindead interceptions thrown trying to force throws into double coverage with literally nobody open.

IMO, he is the Zach Wilson of the 2023 draft.. cerebrally he’s a terrible quarterback. But everyone is falling in love with his size and the cannon of an arm. Richardson is a better prospect, even though he’s a two year project.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If I'm a QB net

They would definitely be smart to trade back. What will teams be willing to offer is the question. I love Breece's game and talent but he's is really small. Will teams be willing to invest so much into a guy smaller than Kyler?

I'd be surprised if that was considered a serious knock on Young.

Young has shown he’s better than Murray, IMO. He can make all the throws and his poise under pressure is legendary. He’s gonna be a fine pro.

He and Stroud are clearly the QB1-2 in whichever order. Stroud’s performance on NYE against that tough defense answered any questions about his game IMO.

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

And I've got everything needed to be a babe magnet except for looks and physique.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If I'm a QB net

They would definitely be smart to trade back. What will teams be willing to offer is the question. I love Breece's game and talent but he's is really small. Will teams be willing to invest so much into a guy smaller than Kyler?

I'd be surprised if that was considered a serious knock on Young.

Young has shown he’s better than Murray, IMO. He can make all the throws and his poise under pressure is legendary. He’s gonna be a fine pro.

He and Stroud are clearly the QB1-2 in whichever order. Stroud’s performance on NYE against that tough defense answered any questions about his game IMO.

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

And I've got everything needed to be a babe magnet except for looks and physique.

You might clean up nice.

 

[TartanLion]

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

Yeah, I mostly agree with you but at some point there has to be a thresh hold, right? I just get a little nervous and I think many teams will too.

Indeed. That’s the million dollar question. Even if he was a true 6 foot flat 200 pounds it wouldn’t be a question to me. He’s got poise, accuracy and touch, an arm that is plenty big, he can make the throws under pressure and outside of structure and lastly he CAN scramble to great effect when needed.

It just makes you nervous that he’s as short as Kyler most likely, and nowhere near as densely muscly. He’s the better QB but is it just impossible to be durable enough whilst being that slight ??

 

[TartanLion]

If I'm a QB net

They would definitely be smart to trade back. What will teams be willing to offer is the question. I love Breece's game and talent but he's is really small. Will teams be willing to invest so much into a guy smaller than Kyler?

I'd be surprised if that was considered a serious knock on Young.

Young has shown he’s better than Murray, IMO. He can make all the throws and his poise under pressure is legendary. He’s gonna be a fine pro.

He and Stroud are clearly the QB1-2 in whichever order. Stroud’s performance on NYE against that tough defense answered any questions about his game IMO.

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

And I've got everything needed to be a babe magnet except for looks and physique.

But do you have a big ‘arm’ ?

 

[massraider]

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

This is a very reasonable take that I will see a lot of this winter/spring.

To me, if you are going to make some massive trade for #1 overall, and you know you are going to get bent over on the price (no one gives a discount on #1), then you are crazy to do it for an outlier. You make that trade for Elway, for Luck, for Lawrence.

I don't think it's a deal breaker that Young is small. I don't. But Young drafters should get a discount, because NO ONE has ever won at that size.

I am not so sure that\ the simple math everyone is doing right now works: Bears don't need a QB + Young is the best QB this year=Bears a get a megadeal to move down. Maybe they do, maybe even probably. But I don't put Young on a level with bulletproof #1's of previous years.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The guy people are forgetting about is Hendon Hooker. I'm thinking he'll still be a first round pick and likely a high one. What that means for this discussion is that he depresses the value of the other QBs.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

But do you have a big ‘arm’ ?

Only when my wife ignores me.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am not so sure that\ the simple math everyone is doing right now works: Bears don't need a QB + Young is the best QB this year=Bears a get a megadeal to move down. Maybe they do, maybe even probably. But I don't put Young on a level with bulletproof #1's of previous years.

I’m seeing some talk that CJ Stroud may have worked his way to the number one based on his New Year’s Eve performance. He does have prototypical size and weight, and has certainly shown enough poise and arm talent to justify the pic.

If I were a team trading up to take a quarterback, I would pick Stroud over Young, even though I am a fan of Young’s game.

 

[TartanLion]

The guy people are forgetting about is Hendon Hooker. I'm thinking he'll still be a first round pick and likely a high one. What that means for this discussion is that he depresses the value of the other QBs.

Hooker is an interesting one. He’s an old prospect he will actually be 26 ( !!!) by the time he is fit and ready to start somewhere BUT he played against decent competition and is a very balanced blend of standard QB, and ability to use his legs. In terms of dynasty superFlex I’m hoping he might be able to be grabbed back end of the 2nd round/start of third round because I think the injury and age will preclude him from having too high a draft capital, but he was clearly the best talent outside of all discussions about Young/Stroud/Levis/Richardson and in the discussion amongst the last two of those names

I think a decent team with an average QB that doesn’t have a desperate need immediately could blast a pick on him outside the first round and hope he might be an underrated gem that could eventually take over. A Seattle or Detroit or some such team if they don’t want to use 1st round capital on a QB

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The guy people are forgetting about is Hendon Hooker. I'm thinking he'll still be a first round pick and likely a high one. What that means for this discussion is that he depresses the value of the other QBs.

Hooker is an interesting one. He’s an old prospect he will actually be 26 ( !!!) by the time he is fit and ready to start somewhere BUT he played against decent competition and is a very balanced blend of standard QB, and ability to use his legs. In terms of dynasty superFlex I’m hoping he might be able to be grabbed back end of the 2nd round/start of third round because I think the injury ams age will preclude him from having too high a draft capital, but he was clearly the best talent outside of all discussions about Young/Stroud/Levis/Richardson and in the discussion amongst the last two of those names

I like Hooker a lot.

 

[travdogg]

They would definitely be smart to trade back. What will teams be willing to offer is the question. I love Breece's game and talent but he's is really small. Will teams be willing to invest so much into a guy smaller than Kyler?

I'd be surprised if that was considered a serious knock on Young.

Young has shown he’s better than Murray, IMO. He can make all the throws and his poise under pressure is legendary. He’s gonna be a fine pro.

He and Stroud are clearly the QB1-2 in whichever order. Stroud’s performance on NYE against that tough defense answered any questions about his game IMO.

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

I agree. Additionally, I’m seeing a ridiculous amount of hype about Levis, and it’s giving me flashbacks to Zach Wilson.

Lots of YouTube video showing Levis making crazy arm throws against very little competition has people gushing about him. Mel Kiper apparently loves him.

Meanwhile, those videos conveniently leave out the braindead interceptions thrown trying to force throws into double coverage with literally nobody open.

IMO, he is the Zach Wilson of the 2023 draft.. cerebrally he’s a terrible quarterback. But everyone is falling in love with his size and the cannon of an arm. Richardson is a better prospect, even though he’s a two year project.

Very little competition? Levis is in the SEC, the hardest conference there is. Kentucky had 5 of their 13 games against teams ranked 16th or better. They did go 2-3 in those games, but that's not on Levis.

 

[menobrown]

I believe everything has to be on the table for the Bears including trading Fields. This made for a much more interesting few months then if the Texans had got the pick.

 

[travdogg]

The guy people are forgetting about is Hendon Hooker. I'm thinking he'll still be a first round pick and likely a high one. What that means for this discussion is that he depresses the value of the other QBs.

Hooker is an interesting one. He’s an old prospect he will actually be 26 ( !!!) by the time he is fit and ready to start somewhere BUT he played against decent competition and is a very balanced blend of standard QB, and ability to use his legs. In terms of dynasty superFlex I’m hoping he might be able to be grabbed back end of the 2nd round/start of third round because I think the injury ams age will preclude him from having too high a draft capital, but he was clearly the best talent outside of all discussions about Young/Stroud/Levis/Richardson and in the discussion amongst the last two of those names

That age/injury could be a killer though, especially as its possible/likely he's 27 before he ever starts a game. I could see him being a late day 2/early day 3 pick.

 

[JoeJoe88]

The guy people are forgetting about is Hendon Hooker. I'm thinking he'll still be a first round pick and likely a high one. What that means for this discussion is that he depresses the value of the other QBs.

I’d be pretty surprised if Hooker went in the 1st at this point.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Since QBs are playing into their 40's on the regular I don't think she's is that big of a deal for a rookie. Not nearly as much as other positions.

 

[menobrown]

I’m seeing some talk that CJ Stroud may have worked his way to the number one based on his New Year’s Eve performance

Same and really did as much in that game to pick his stock up as anyone can really do in a single game. He almost directly addressed two major knocks against him, the biggest being an ability to make off schedule plays. That he did it against arguably the most NFL talent level D in college was huge.

I still prefer Young who as I think has been said would be a generational, Luck type of prospect, if he was the prototype size.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Very little competition? Levis is in the SEC, the hardest conference there is. Kentucky had 5 of their 13 games against teams ranked 16th or better. They did go 2-3 in those games, but that's not on Levis.

No, sorry, poor phrasing - I’m talking about specific plays where he’s under absolutely no pressure and tries to force a ball into triple coverage because he’s convinced he can throw anything.

Predictably horrific picks result.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The guy people are forgetting about is Hendon Hooker. I'm thinking he'll still be a first round pick and likely a high one. What that means for this discussion is that he depresses the value of the other QBs.

I’d be pretty surprised if Hooker went in the 1st at this point.

Supply and demand is a mysterious multiplier.

 

[-OZ-]

3 1sts from whomever wants Bryce Young.

I 100% would support the titans trading up from the 10(?) with a couple picks, not entirely sure how the value holds out. It would be super tough for the bears to fall that far back.
More likely, Seattle trades Denver’s plus their own.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Prostitution jokes aside, Hooker is a dude I’d like to see the Raiders take with their 2.07 if he’s there.

He seems like he’d be a good fit.

 

[Ilov80s]

It just makes you nervous that he’s as short as Kyler most likely, and nowhere near as densely muscly. He’s the better QB but is it just impossible to be durable enough whilst being that slight ??

And I think there is a perception that Kyler is injury prone. That won't help.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The guy people are forgetting about is Hendon Hooker. I'm thinking he'll still be a first round pick and likely a high one. What that means for this discussion is that he depresses the value of the other QBs.

I’d be pretty surprised if Hooker went in the 1st at this point.

Supply and demand is a mysterious multiplier.

I saw him as a 2nd, but you’re right - never know. Someone might trade up and make him a late 1st.

Richardson could fall to the second based on how raw he is.

Levis should fall to the 2nd, but I suspect some team is gonna see “the next josh Allen” and make him a 1st.

I’m going on record saying it will be a mistake.

 

[Ilov80s]

Since QBs are playing into their 40's on the regular I don't think she's is that big of a deal for a rookie. Not nearly as much as other positions.

I see it less as a worry about the length of his career and more that he's farther along in his development so there might not be less upside. Also, he wasn't that good as a 3rd year QB at Va Tech makes me wonder if things are inflated because of that Vols system.

 

[TartanLion]

They would definitely be smart to trade back. What will teams be willing to offer is the question. I love Breece's game and talent but he's is really small. Will teams be willing to invest so much into a guy smaller than Kyler?

I'd be surprised if that was considered a serious knock on Young.

Young has shown he’s better than Murray, IMO. He can make all the throws and his poise under pressure is legendary. He’s gonna be a fine pro.

He and Stroud are clearly the QB1-2 in whichever order. Stroud’s performance on NYE against that tough defense answered any questions about his game IMO.

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

I agree. Additionally, I’m seeing a ridiculous amount of hype about Levis, and it’s giving me flashbacks to Zach Wilson.

Lots of YouTube video showing Levis making crazy arm throws against very little competition has people gushing about him. Mel Kiper apparently loves him.

Meanwhile, those videos conveniently leave out the braindead interceptions thrown trying to force throws into double coverage with literally nobody open.

IMO, he is the Zach Wilson of the 2023 draft.. cerebrally he’s a terrible quarterback. But everyone is falling in love with his size and the cannon of an arm. Richardson is a better prospect, even though he’s a two year project.

Very little competition? Levis is in the SEC, the hardest conference there is. Kentucky had 5 of their 13 games against teams ranked 16th or better. They did go 2-3 in those games, but that's not on Levis.

I can’t make my mind up about Levis. I’m constantly preaching that so much about QBs has to factor in coaching/Scheme/surrounding talent etc - Levis had a change at OC at a bad time, his line was really awful and constantly had him under duress, he had no major weapons at WR and he had a litany of injuries he battled through all season. Those factors CAN explain stupid throws, INTs etc. If you swapped Stroud and Levis, how would each have performed on their respective new teams ?

It’s at least a question to ponder because he has the size, can make all kinds of throws with an absolute cannon of an arm and he showed rushing ability before this season. Do outside factors explain some of his weaknesses ? He could come in and be a turnover machine and flame out OR he could be a Herbert type.

I can’t decide. I think where he gets drafted will tell me some of the story. He would really benefit from going to a well run ball club where he doesn’t have to start immediately.

 

[menobrown]

The guy people are forgetting about is Hendon Hooker. I'm thinking he'll still be a first round pick and likely a high one. What that means for this discussion is that he depresses the value of the other QBs.

I’d be pretty surprised if Hooker went in the 1st at this point.

Supply and demand is a mysterious multiplier.

I'd counter by saying I think the supply is greater then it was last season when only one QB went in the first two rounds.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Prostitution jokes aside, Hooker is a dude I’d like to see the Raiders take with their 2.07 if he’s there.

He seems like he’d be a good fit.

Hooker & Vegas? I never thought of that possibility.

 

[Ilov80s]

I have almost no interest in Levis.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Prostitution jokes aside, Hooker is a dude I’d like to see the Raiders take with their 2.07 if he’s there.

He seems like he’d be a good fit.

Hooker & Vegas? I never thought of that possibility.

I’m not exactly reinventing the wheel here.

 

[menobrown]

Hooker & Vegas?

Well I drafted live in Vegas the first 15 years or so of WCOFF/FFPC and I had this tradition...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have almost no interest in Levis.

Same - I think the top 10 pick hype building is preposterous for what he’s shown on the field. That he’s Mel Kuiper’s QB1 kinda says it all, really.

 

[Ilov80s]

Same - I think the top 10 pick hype building is preposterous for what he’s shown on the field. That he’s Mel Kuiper’s QB1 kinda says it all, really.

Classic case of a guy who looks the part. I watched him this year, he was actively bad.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I can’t decide. I think where he gets drafted will tell me some of the story. He would really benefit from going to a well run ball club where he doesn’t have to start immediately.

I think we’ll get a better idea once coaches start interviewing the kid, and reviewing his film.

If he falls to the 2nd that’s gonna say a lot about his prospects, IMO.

 

[JohnnyU]

The guy people are forgetting about is Hendon Hooker. I'm thinking he'll still be a first round pick and likely a high one. What that means for this discussion is that he depresses the value of the other QBs.

No way he’s a high first rd pick after the ACL. He probably isn’t a first rd pick at all.

 

[travdogg]

They would definitely be smart to trade back. What will teams be willing to offer is the question. I love Breece's game and talent but he's is really small. Will teams be willing to invest so much into a guy smaller than Kyler?

I'd be surprised if that was considered a serious knock on Young.

Young has shown he’s better than Murray, IMO. He can make all the throws and his poise under pressure is legendary. He’s gonna be a fine pro.

He and Stroud are clearly the QB1-2 in whichever order. Stroud’s performance on NYE against that tough defense answered any questions about his game IMO.

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

I agree. Additionally, I’m seeing a ridiculous amount of hype about Levis, and it’s giving me flashbacks to Zach Wilson.

Lots of YouTube video showing Levis making crazy arm throws against very little competition has people gushing about him. Mel Kiper apparently loves him.

Meanwhile, those videos conveniently leave out the braindead interceptions thrown trying to force throws into double coverage with literally nobody open.

IMO, he is the Zach Wilson of the 2023 draft.. cerebrally he’s a terrible quarterback. But everyone is falling in love with his size and the cannon of an arm. Richardson is a better prospect, even though he’s a two year project.

Very little competition? Levis is in the SEC, the hardest conference there is. Kentucky had 5 of their 13 games against teams ranked 16th or better. They did go 2-3 in those games, but that's not on Levis.

I can’t make my mind up about Levis. I’m constantly preaching that so much about QBs has to factor in coaching/Scheme/surrounding talent etc - Levis had a change at OC at a bad time, his line was really awful and constantly had him under duress, he had no major weapons at WR and he had a litany of injuries he battled through all season. Those factors CAN explain stupid throws, INTs etc. If you swapped Stroud and Levis, how would each have performed on their respective new teams ?

It’s at least a question to ponder because he has the size, can make all kinds of throws with an absolute cannon of an arm and he showed rushing ability before this season. Do outside factors explain some of his weaknesses ? He could come in and be a turnover machine and flame out OR he could be a Herbert type.

I can’t decide. I think where he gets drafted will tell me some of the story. He would really benefit from going to a well run ball club where he doesn’t have to start immediately.

Sitting behind a guy for a bit might be ideal. Maybe landing in Seattle behind Geno?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Same - I think the top 10 pick hype building is preposterous for what he’s shown on the field. That he’s Mel Kuiper’s QB1 kinda says it all, really.

Classic case of a guy who looks the part. I watched him this year, he was actively bad.

That’s what I saw also. He’s “straight out of central casting” - reminds me of when Jamarcus Russell was drafted and they were saying “he can throw 50 yards from his knees” and some analyst joked, “ok great but how often does that come in handy in the NFL”?

 

[massraider]

He seems like he’d be a good fit.

I'm always in favor of another Hooker in Vegas, but I think they want younger.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

They would definitely be smart to trade back. What will teams be willing to offer is the question. I love Breece's game and talent but he's is really small. Will teams be willing to invest so much into a guy smaller than Kyler?

I'd be surprised if that was considered a serious knock on Young.

Young has shown he’s better than Murray, IMO. He can make all the throws and his poise under pressure is legendary. He’s gonna be a fine pro.

He and Stroud are clearly the QB1-2 in whichever order. Stroud’s performance on NYE against that tough defense answered any questions about his game IMO.

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

I agree. Additionally, I’m seeing a ridiculous amount of hype about Levis, and it’s giving me flashbacks to Zach Wilson.

Lots of YouTube video showing Levis making crazy arm throws against very little competition has people gushing about him. Mel Kiper apparently loves him.

Meanwhile, those videos conveniently leave out the braindead interceptions thrown trying to force throws into double coverage with literally nobody open.

IMO, he is the Zach Wilson of the 2023 draft.. cerebrally he’s a terrible quarterback. But everyone is falling in love with his size and the cannon of an arm. Richardson is a better prospect, even though he’s a two year project.

Very little competition? Levis is in the SEC, the hardest conference there is. Kentucky had 5 of their 13 games against teams ranked 16th or better. They did go 2-3 in those games, but that's not on Levis.

I can’t make my mind up about Levis. I’m constantly preaching that so much about QBs has to factor in coaching/Scheme/surrounding talent etc - Levis had a change at OC at a bad time, his line was really awful and constantly had him under duress, he had no major weapons at WR and he had a litany of injuries he battled through all season. Those factors CAN explain stupid throws, INTs etc. If you swapped Stroud and Levis, how would each have performed on their respective new teams ?

It’s at least a question to ponder because he has the size, can make all kinds of throws with an absolute cannon of an arm and he showed rushing ability before this season. Do outside factors explain some of his weaknesses ? He could come in and be a turnover machine and flame out OR he could be a Herbert type.

I can’t decide. I think where he gets drafted will tell me some of the story. He would really benefit from going to a well run ball club where he doesn’t have to start immediately.

Sitting behind a guy for a bit might be ideal. Maybe landing in Seattle behind Geno?

I’ve read a few folks suggesting that would be the ideal path for Richardson. Sign Geno to a 2-year contract & sit Richardson.

The problem with Levis is he’s being hyped into the top 10 - a spot where he’d likely be expected to start right away.

Many have the Colts taking him. Which would be a very Colts result in selecting QBs, IMO.

 

[JohnnyU]

The guy people are forgetting about is Hendon Hooker. I'm thinking he'll still be a first round pick and likely a high one. What that means for this discussion is that he depresses the value of the other QBs.

I’d be pretty surprised if Hooker went in the 1st at this point.

Supply and demand is a mysterious multiplier.

I saw him as a 2nd, but you’re right - never know. Someone might trade up and make him a late 1st.

Richardson could fall to the second based on how raw he is.

Levis should fall to the 2nd, but I suspect some team is gonna see “the next josh Allen” and make him a 1st.

I’m going on record saying it will be a mistake.

I’m a UK fan and have already gone on record it will be a mistake.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He seems like he’d be a good fit.

I'm always in favor of another Hooker in Vegas, but I think they want younger.

A tale as old as time.

 

[irish eyes]

Same - I think the top 10 pick hype building is preposterous for what he’s shown on the field. That he’s Mel Kuiper’s QB1 kinda says it all, really.

Classic case of a guy who looks the part. I watched him this year, he was actively bad.

Some team will probably draft him high and end up with another Zach Wilson.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Same - I think the top 10 pick hype building is preposterous for what he’s shown on the field. That he’s Mel Kuiper’s QB1 kinda says it all, really.

Classic case of a guy who looks the part. I watched him this year, he was actively bad.

Some team will probably draft him high and end up with another Zach Wilson.

Seriously - go check some YouTube vids from the amateur analysts watching him. You’ll get Zach Wilson flashbacks when they show him in practice making all kinds of crazy throws.

It’s only gonna get worse with the combine.

 

[TartanLion]

Prostitution jokes aside, Hooker is a dude I’d like to see the Raiders take with their 2.07 if he’s there.

He seems like he’d be a good fit.

Why leave them aside, Vegas loves Hookers

They would definitely be smart to trade back. What will teams be willing to offer is the question. I love Breece's game and talent but he's is really small. Will teams be willing to invest so much into a guy smaller than Kyler?

I'd be surprised if that was considered a serious knock on Young.

Young has shown he’s better than Murray, IMO. He can make all the throws and his poise under pressure is legendary. He’s gonna be a fine pro.

He and Stroud are clearly the QB1-2 in whichever order. Stroud’s performance on NYE against that tough defense answered any questions about his game IMO.

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

I agree. Additionally, I’m seeing a ridiculous amount of hype about Levis, and it’s giving me flashbacks to Zach Wilson.

Lots of YouTube video showing Levis making crazy arm throws against very little competition has people gushing about him. Mel Kiper apparently loves him.

Meanwhile, those videos conveniently leave out the braindead interceptions thrown trying to force throws into double coverage with literally nobody open.

IMO, he is the Zach Wilson of the 2023 draft.. cerebrally he’s a terrible quarterback. But everyone is falling in love with his size and the cannon of an arm. Richardson is a better prospect, even though he’s a two year project.

Very little competition? Levis is in the SEC, the hardest conference there is. Kentucky had 5 of their 13 games against teams ranked 16th or better. They did go 2-3 in those games, but that's not on Levis.

I can’t make my mind up about Levis. I’m constantly preaching that so much about QBs has to factor in coaching/Scheme/surrounding talent etc - Levis had a change at OC at a bad time, his line was really awful and constantly had him under duress, he had no major weapons at WR and he had a litany of injuries he battled through all season. Those factors CAN explain stupid throws, INTs etc. If you swapped Stroud and Levis, how would each have performed on their respective new teams ?

It’s at least a question to ponder because he has the size, can make all kinds of throws with an absolute cannon of an arm and he showed rushing ability before this season. Do outside factors explain some of his weaknesses ? He could come in and be a turnover machine and flame out OR he could be a Herbert type.

I can’t decide. I think where he gets drafted will tell me some of the story. He would really benefit from going to a well run ball club where he doesn’t have to start immediately.

Sitting behind a guy for a bit might be ideal. Maybe landing in Seattle behind Geno?

I think Seattle and Detroit would both be good destinations for any young QB right now for a multitude of reasons but I’m not convinced either will spend high capital. I think Young/Stroud/Levis will be taken. I’m not convinced Richardson will go as high as some people are saying he will.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Bears have all the cap space in the world, but they are likely looking at 10+ new starters next year, and that isn't counting guys taking over jobs like Khalil Herbert.

I think staying at #1 would be the worst decision they could make. Unless they decided to deal Fields, which seems incredibly unlikely, as he's probably the best QB they've had in 30+ years.

Currently the picks of teams I could see trading for #1:
Texans(2), Seattle(3), Detroit(6), Vegas(7), Falcons(8), Panthers(9), Titans(11)

Panthers seem like a team that is drafting a QB for sure. I could see Seattle and Detroit staying put, but I think they both know their QBs are just ok, and not elite. Both guys are looking at 30+ million as well.

I'm getting the impression I'm a lot higher on Bryce Young than others. I see a cross between Wilson/Brees.

You forgot 5 Indy. In fact now that they let Houston beat them, they might be most likely to pay the Price for Bryce

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m not convinced Richardson will go as high as some people are saying he will.

Ideally Richardson and Levis are day 2 picks, and go to teams where they can sit.

DET is an oft-mocked spot for Richardson, and with the idea that Goff is Re-signed for 2 years.

To me that’s the absolutely perfect spot and I would be willing to invest a late 1st/early 2nd in rookie drafts for him if that happens.

I don’t want to spend anything on Levis. Partly because autocorrect keeps changing his name to Levi’s.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You forgot 5 Indy. In fact now that they let Houston beat them, they might be most likely to pay the Price for Bryce

IMO that’s a really solid spot for Stroud.

 

[travdogg]

Bears have all the cap space in the world, but they are likely looking at 10+ new starters next year, and that isn't counting guys taking over jobs like Khalil Herbert.

I think staying at #1 would be the worst decision they could make. Unless they decided to deal Fields, which seems incredibly unlikely, as he's probably the best QB they've had in 30+ years.

Currently the picks of teams I could see trading for #1:
Texans(2), Seattle(3), Detroit(6), Vegas(7), Falcons(8), Panthers(9), Titans(11)

Panthers seem like a team that is drafting a QB for sure. I could see Seattle and Detroit staying put, but I think they both know their QBs are just ok, and not elite. Both guys are looking at 30+ million as well.

I'm getting the impression I'm a lot higher on Bryce Young than others. I see a cross between Wilson/Brees.

You forgot 5 Indy. In fact now that they let Houston beat them, they might be most likely to pay the Price for Bryce

Hmm, could of sworn I listed them, but good catch.

I do think Indy is too impatient to draft a rookie. I could see them going after Rodgers/Love, or maybe Carr. I think Irsay thinks they are a playoff team that just failed at HC/QB.

Prostitution jokes aside, Hooker is a dude I’d like to see the Raiders take with their 2.07 if he’s there.

He seems like he’d be a good fit.

Why leave them aside, Vegas loves Hookers

They would definitely be smart to trade back. What will teams be willing to offer is the question. I love Breece's game and talent but he's is really small. Will teams be willing to invest so much into a guy smaller than Kyler?

I'd be surprised if that was considered a serious knock on Young.

Young has shown he’s better than Murray, IMO. He can make all the throws and his poise under pressure is legendary. He’s gonna be a fine pro.

He and Stroud are clearly the QB1-2 in whichever order. Stroud’s performance on NYE against that tough defense answered any questions about his game IMO.

Young really has everything apart from the size and weight. If he was 6’2 220 he’d be a slam dunk and probably be more highly regarded than Caleb Williams.

There’s no data to support someone his size succeeding but the landscape of the NFL has changed and has there ever been as good of a prospect his size to compare to anyway

I agree. Additionally, I’m seeing a ridiculous amount of hype about Levis, and it’s giving me flashbacks to Zach Wilson.

Lots of YouTube video showing Levis making crazy arm throws against very little competition has people gushing about him. Mel Kiper apparently loves him.

Meanwhile, those videos conveniently leave out the braindead interceptions thrown trying to force throws into double coverage with literally nobody open.

IMO, he is the Zach Wilson of the 2023 draft.. cerebrally he’s a terrible quarterback. But everyone is falling in love with his size and the cannon of an arm. Richardson is a better prospect, even though he’s a two year project.

Very little competition? Levis is in the SEC, the hardest conference there is. Kentucky had 5 of their 13 games against teams ranked 16th or better. They did go 2-3 in those games, but that's not on Levis.

I can’t make my mind up about Levis. I’m constantly preaching that so much about QBs has to factor in coaching/Scheme/surrounding talent etc - Levis had a change at OC at a bad time, his line was really awful and constantly had him under duress, he had no major weapons at WR and he had a litany of injuries he battled through all season. Those factors CAN explain stupid throws, INTs etc. If you swapped Stroud and Levis, how would each have performed on their respective new teams ?

It’s at least a question to ponder because he has the size, can make all kinds of throws with an absolute cannon of an arm and he showed rushing ability before this season. Do outside factors explain some of his weaknesses ? He could come in and be a turnover machine and flame out OR he could be a Herbert type.

I can’t decide. I think where he gets drafted will tell me some of the story. He would really benefit from going to a well run ball club where he doesn’t have to start immediately.

Sitting behind a guy for a bit might be ideal. Maybe landing in Seattle behind Geno?

I think Seattle and Detroit would both be good destinations for any young QB right now for a multitude of reasons but I’m not convinced either will spend high capital. I think Young/Stroud/Levis will be taken. I’m not convinced Richardson will go as high as some people are saying he will.

I think Richardson is also a later prospect than some think. I think he goes late round 1 and sits for a year. Vikings maybe?

 

[beef]

Bears need a QB. Fields is RB that can kind of throw.