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Nice to see you clarify a little Routilla.The thing about the "Eagles hatred" I'm seeing in here is that it doesn't seem to have a justification. I mean, I can point to a dozen factors to back up a 12-4 prediction. 14-2 is pure homerism, regardless of who is predicting it and regardless of the team.The Eagles have lost very little, gained arguably just as much in free agency. Most of the key players are still young, and could reasonably be expected to improve. I beleive the receiving corps in particular is being generally overlooked and undervalued. McNabb's injury was not anywhere close to the severity of Carson Palmer's, and happened earlier in the season. Unless a new setback occurs, it's very safe to assume he'll be back and ready at the start of training camp, let alone the season opener.The coaching staff is mostly intact from last year, and the systems remain intact. 20 of 22 opening day starters are still with the team.....a fact that is all too often overlooked in these evaluations.The team has a very strong recent history of success. There is no reasonable explanation for many of the predictions given in this thread (someone said 4th in NFC East). Assuming that this is at least a playoff caliber team...a closer look at the schedule itself....NFC EAST: I expect the cowboys to be good, but not Super Bowl caliber. I expect the Giants to be disoriented, and the Skins to be improved, but not yet "good". 5 - 1 division record is hardly unrealistic, but let's say 4-2 for the sake of argument.Detroit, Buffalo, and Miami are three home games a playoff caliber team should win. That's 7-2.The other two home games are against Chcago and Seattle. Seattle does poorly traveling cross country. Chicago's defense lost pieces and isn't looking as dominant as last year. It's very reasonable to say the Eagles win AT LEAST one of these two. That's now 8 -3.Road game at Minnessota....win, but might be closer then some homers are thinking now. 9 - 3.That leaves road games at N.O., N.E., the Jets, and G.B. Sorry, but I'm not drinking the Favre cool-aid this year. G.B may beat up a few bad to average teams, but I think Philly handles that one. If the Eagles win just ONE of those other three, they go 11 -5. I personally think that N.O. played a little over their heads last year, and will step backwards a little. I also think that though the Jets are up-and-coming, they aren't quite to Philly's caliber. Personal opinion, and I can see a strong argument for the Jets winning at home...until I remember that Reid's Eagles almost never lose after a bye...go check the record, but I think it's like 6 -1. New England is not an unbeatable team, and I think the Eagles should match up well. My 12 - 4 prediction assumes the Eagles win two of those three (NE, NO, NYJ).I could go into far greater detail about why I think the Birds are the early favorite for the NFC title, but it's really not necessary for this smaller debate. Anything under a 10 -6 prediction is somebody not really in tune with the NFL (or predicting multiple significant injuries). A 10-6 or 11 -5 prediction from somebody high on two of the Saints, Jets and/or GB is reasonable. 12-4 is not an unreasonable prediction by any stretch.To summarize: I'm not trying to argue with the predictions of 10-11 wins. Although I disagree...I can at least unbderstand the reasoning that could lead to those predictions. What I don't understand is why the folks thinking 10-11 can't see why I see 12 or more.Thanks for your time! :DETA: BTW...New York teams do not enjoy a significant home field advanatge over Philly....(we don't over them either...just too close)
First off let me start by saying im a Cowboys fan. When a majority of Philly fans are claiming 14-2 and 13-3 its going to upset posters in the Shark Pool because its blantant homerism not realism. Dallas was the #4 scoring offensive in the league last year. That was with Bledsoe starting 6 games, Marco Rivera at RG and TO playing with an injured hand the whole season. So this year they have upgraded their offensive line, TO is healthy and Romo is able to take all the preseason and off season snaps. You mentioned that Philly has returned 20 of 22 starters Dallas is returning 20 of 22 starters as well, with arguable upgrades at the 2 positions the starter is not returning (Leonard Davis for Marco "turnstile" Rivera and Ken Hamlin for Keith Davis/Pat Watkins). Last year the Dallas defense fell apart down the stretch because they could not pressure the QB. Wade Phillips is brought in whose defense is based on pressuring the QB. If anyone should be able to say 14-2 or 13-3 its Dallas fans. Oh and for all you McNabb backers I remember hearing last year that Culpepper was able to run in the preseason and was way ahead of schedule how did that work out for him? Oh yea he went back on IR to continue rehabbing his knee.
Look a little closer. I admitted a 14-2 prediction to be homerism. :D My prediction was 12-4.Culpeppers injury was MUCH more severe then McNabb's. For that matter, so was Palmers, and later in the season. Palmer did ok, didn't he?AS I said in my post, I expect Dallas to be a playoff caliber team, and the Eagles biggest threat. I can see 10-11 wins for Dallas, and a WC berth. Although I don't see 12 wins for Dallas, I have not poked fun at the Dallas homers predicting that, because it is well within the realms of possibility and reasonability.It's the Redskins homer predicting 12 wins for the skins we should both be :lmao: at! (Giants too)
 
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Steelers 10-6.

The Steelers were 8-8 last season with a brutal schedule, horrendous turnovers, Super Bowl hangover and a QB whose only luck was bad.

I think the team will be hungry again with Tomlin, Big Ben bounces back, turnovers are reduced and the easier schedule allows two more wins and hopefully a playoff berth.
The Steelers had a below average schedule last year.http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl06.htm

They got to play Miami, Atlanta, Oakland, Cleveland, Cleveland, Tampa Bay and Carolina with Weinke. They certainly did not have a brutal schedule.
They also had to play New Orleans, San Diego, Jacksonville, Denver, Kansas City, Cincinnati twice, and Baltimore twice. Nobody in the AFC has an easy schedule.I'm not running around claiming Pittsburgh is going 14-2, but I think a lot of people are writing them off way too fast. They finished last year 6-2 and lost several games they absolutely should have and could have won. They basically went 8-8 last year and it was the worst case scenario playing itself out.

10-11 wins is not only not a stretch, but it's probably more likely than not. 6-8 win seasons are few and far between for this franchise.
I think the Steelers are more likely to make the playoffs than most teams in the AFC this year. I'm consistently one of the biggest Steelers supporters on this board (support in terms of thinking they're good, not rooting for them). That still doesn't mean they had a brutal, hard, or even above average schedule last year, which was my only point.
 
Routilla said:
I would not be surprised if PHI is 2-5 after week 8. :lmao:
:goodposting: or just really, really, REALLY stupid. Or a Dallas fan.Dallas fan here. I was just showing the opposite theory of the 14-2, 13-3 guys. Realistically, of the first 7 games, 4 are on the road and one of the home games is against the reighning NFC champ(CHI). Favre playing his last season opener at Lambeau, 2 road games in NY and a new look MIN team that we don't know much about(though I do think they'll suck) but who knows? This is the NFL and on any given Sunday..... @Green Bay WashingtonDetroit@N.Y. GiantsBYE@N.Y. JetsChicago@MinnesotaI just think it's silly to predict dramatically improved records from the previous season when injuries/personnel changes on both sides of the ball have not been evaluated.
Not sure whats up with the Iggle hatred in this thread
I don't know about Iggle hatred, it just seemed many are predicting them to go 14-2, 13-3 without the QB that carried them down the stretch last year(Garcia) and depending on McNabb coming off of injury to play at a high level for 16 weeks. I was joking when I said DAL would go 16-0 of course, they are inconsistent in too many areas right now. I think PHI is too. Atleast enough to think seriously about a 14-2, 13-3 record.
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renesauz said:
It's the Redskins homer predicting 12 wins for the skins we should both be :goodposting: at! (Giants too)
What? Didn't you get the memo? The Skins are going to the SB this year. Just like they are this time every year... :thumbup: Dan Snyder runs his team like it's fantasy football. Until they get rid of him I can't see them being good.
 
The Scientist said:
They also had to play New Orleans, San Diego, Jacksonville, Denver, Kansas City, Cincinnati twice, and Baltimore twice. Nobody in the AFC has an easy schedule.I'm not running around claiming Pittsburgh is going 14-2, but I think a lot of people are writing them off way too fast. They finished last year 6-2 and lost several games they absolutely should have and could have won. They basically went 8-8 last year and it was the worst case scenario playing itself out.10-11 wins is not only not a stretch, but it's probably more likely than not. 6-8 win seasons are few and far between for this franchise.
1980 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .563 (3rd) 1981 Pittsburgh 8 8 0 .500 (2nd) 1982 Pittsburgh 6 3 0 .667 (2nd) 1983 Pittsburgh 10 6 0 .625 (1st) 1984 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .563 (1st) 1985 Pittsburgh 7 9 0 .438 (3rd) 1986 Pittsburgh 6 10 0 .375 (3rd) 1987 Pittsburgh 8 7 0 .533 (3rd) 1988 Pittsburgh 5 11 0 .313 (4th) 1989 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .563 (3rd) 1990 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .563 (3rd) 1991 Pittsburgh 7 9 0 .438 (2nd) 1992 Pittsburgh 11 5 0 .688 (1st) 1993 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .563 (2nd) 1994 Pittsburgh 12 4 0 .750 (1st) 1995 Pittsburgh 11 5 0 .688 (1st) 1996 Pittsburgh 10 6 0 .625 1997 Pittsburgh 11 5 0 .813 (1-t) 1998 Pittsburgh 7 9 0 .438 (3rd) 1999 Pittsburgh 6 10 0 .375 (4th) 2000 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .562 (3rd) 2001 Pittsburgh 13 3 0 .813 (1st) 2002 Pittsburgh 10 5 1 .656 (1st) 2003 Pittsburgh 6 10 0 .375 (3rd) 2004 Pittsburgh 15 1 0 .938 (1st) 2005 Pittsburgh 11 5 0 .688 (1stt) 2006 Pittsburgh 8 8 0 .500 (2ndt) 11 (6-8) win seasons from 1980-2006 so not "few and far between" and 2 in the last 4 years.
Going back 26 years is a stretch (why not go back 35 years and pick up all of the winning seasons in the 70s?).A more meaningful indicator is to go back to 2001 when Kevin Colbert took over as GM. Since then, the Steelers have had one losing season and another 8-8 season. Over that stretch I think only the Patriots and Colts have done better.
 
IMO they will be around 6-8 wins. I think as with most new coaches/staffs there is an adjustment period. They are in a division where they are the 3rd best team. This is another reason why I have a problem giving them more than 8 wins. There is still a lot of changes as far as roster that can take place before the start of the season but as of today 6-8wins.
The Bengals were 11-5 in 2005 (same as the Steelers) and 8-8 in 2006. In 2005 the Bengals were 1-2 against the Steelers and last season were 1-1. In the first game last season the Steelers lost due to a 4th quarter muffed punt and the second game was a must-win situation for the Bengals and a meaningless game for the Steelers yet the Steelers won.How do figure they are the superior team? They look pretty equal to me.

 
A more meaningful indicator is to go back to 2001 when Kevin Colbert took over as GM. Since then, the Steelers have had one losing season and another 8-8 season. Over that stretch I think only the Patriots and Colts have done better.
And Philadelphia. 64 wins to PITs 63 wins.
 
A more meaningful indicator is to go back to 2001 when Kevin Colbert took over as GM. Since then, the Steelers have had one losing season and another 8-8 season. Over that stretch I think only the Patriots and Colts have done better.
And Philadelphia. 64 wins to PITs 63 wins.
Philly plays in the NFC. That stands for Not ####### Comparable to AFC teams.
:no: Both good teams but from 2001-Present the Eagles have been better :link: and Im sure if you look at the begining of each of those years Vegas would agree with me.
 
I was just wondering how many Super Bowls the Eagles have won in the modern era of professional football(since they started calling them Super Bowls)?

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They also had to play New Orleans, San Diego, Jacksonville, Denver, Kansas City, Cincinnati twice, and Baltimore twice. Nobody in the AFC has an easy schedule.I'm not running around claiming Pittsburgh is going 14-2, but I think a lot of people are writing them off way too fast. They finished last year 6-2 and lost several games they absolutely should have and could have won. They basically went 8-8 last year and it was the worst case scenario playing itself out.10-11 wins is not only not a stretch, but it's probably more likely than not. 6-8 win seasons are few and far between for this franchise.
1980 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .563 (3rd) 1981 Pittsburgh 8 8 0 .500 (2nd) 1982 Pittsburgh 6 3 0 .667 (2nd) 1983 Pittsburgh 10 6 0 .625 (1st) 1984 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .563 (1st) 1985 Pittsburgh 7 9 0 .438 (3rd) 1986 Pittsburgh 6 10 0 .375 (3rd) 1987 Pittsburgh 8 7 0 .533 (3rd) 1988 Pittsburgh 5 11 0 .313 (4th) 1989 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .563 (3rd) 1990 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .563 (3rd) 1991 Pittsburgh 7 9 0 .438 (2nd) 1992 Pittsburgh 11 5 0 .688 (1st) 1993 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .563 (2nd) 1994 Pittsburgh 12 4 0 .750 (1st) 1995 Pittsburgh 11 5 0 .688 (1st) 1996 Pittsburgh 10 6 0 .625 1997 Pittsburgh 11 5 0 .813 (1-t) 1998 Pittsburgh 7 9 0 .438 (3rd) 1999 Pittsburgh 6 10 0 .375 (4th) 2000 Pittsburgh 9 7 0 .562 (3rd) 2001 Pittsburgh 13 3 0 .813 (1st) 2002 Pittsburgh 10 5 1 .656 (1st) 2003 Pittsburgh 6 10 0 .375 (3rd) 2004 Pittsburgh 15 1 0 .938 (1st) 2005 Pittsburgh 11 5 0 .688 (1stt) 2006 Pittsburgh 8 8 0 .500 (2ndt) 11 (6-8) win seasons from 1980-2006 so not "few and far between" and 2 in the last 4 years.
You can't count a 6-3 strike shortened year as a 6 win season. 1987 was only 15 games as well, and they went 8-7, so that doesn't really count either.9 non-winning seasons in the last 27 means it's relatively uncommon. The 6 win season you predict has only happened 4 times since I was born (1972) and that's going back into the era of 14-game seasons. So, what you forecast is, in fact, pretty rare (about 1 in 9 years.)
 
Colts:1 9/6 NEW ORLEANS SAINTS 8:30 PM W2 9/16 @ Tennessee Titans 1:00 PM W3 9/23 @ Houston Texans 1:00 PM W4 9/30 DENVER BRONCOS 4:15 PM L (My "Surprise" L, but hardly a stretch)5 10/7 TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS 4:05 PM W 6 10/14 BYE - 7 10/22 @ Jacksonville Jaguars 8:30 PM L8 10/28 @ Carolina Panthers 1:00 PM W9 11/4 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 4:15 PM W 10 11/11 @ San Diego Chargers 8:15 PM L11 11/18 KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 1:00 PM W12 11/22 @ Atlanta Falcons 8:15 PM W13 12/2 JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS 1:00 PM W 14 12/9 @ Baltimore Ravens 8:15 PM L15 12/16 @ Oakland Raiders 4:05 PM W16 12/23 HOUSTON TEXANS 1:00 PM W17 12/30 TENNESSEE TITANS 1:00 PM W12-4. But, the schedule's tough - so who knows?
With CB Jason David likely to be signed by the Saints this week, (with the Colts getting a low 4th round pick for that when they don't match the offer sheet), I have to knock the Colts down a W to 11-5. Even though it could be argued that getting something for David will help in the long run if they never were going to re-sign him in the first place, but it will very possibly hurt in the short term (this season) with two new starting CBs.
 
IMO they will be around 6-8 wins. I think as with most new coaches/staffs there is an adjustment period. They are in a division where they are the 3rd best team. This is another reason why I have a problem giving them more than 8 wins. There is still a lot of changes as far as roster that can take place before the start of the season but as of today 6-8wins.
The Bengals were 11-5 in 2005 (same as the Steelers) and 8-8 in 2006. In 2005 the Bengals were 1-2 against the Steelers and last season were 1-1. In the first game last season the Steelers lost due to a 4th quarter muffed punt and the second game was a must-win situation for the Bengals and a meaningless game for the Steelers yet the Steelers won.How do figure they are the superior team? They look pretty equal to me.
Where do I say superior team?
 
IMO they will be around 6-8 wins. I think as with most new coaches/staffs there is an adjustment period. They are in a division where they are the 3rd best team. This is another reason why I have a problem giving them more than 8 wins. There is still a lot of changes as far as roster that can take place before the start of the season but as of today 6-8wins.
The Bengals were 11-5 in 2005 (same as the Steelers) and 8-8 in 2006. In 2005 the Bengals were 1-2 against the Steelers and last season were 1-1. In the first game last season the Steelers lost due to a 4th quarter muffed punt and the second game was a must-win situation for the Bengals and a meaningless game for the Steelers yet the Steelers won.How do figure they are the superior team? They look pretty equal to me.
Where do I say superior team?
If the Steelers are the 3rd best team in the division, then obviously you feel two of the divisional teams are better. Seeing as we can automatically rule out the Browns, it appears to me as if you're saying the Ravens and Bengals are better than the Steelers.
 
IMO they will be around 6-8 wins. I think as with most new coaches/staffs there is an adjustment period. They are in a division where they are the 3rd best team. This is another reason why I have a problem giving them more than 8 wins. There is still a lot of changes as far as roster that can take place before the start of the season but as of today 6-8wins.
The Bengals were 11-5 in 2005 (same as the Steelers) and 8-8 in 2006. In 2005 the Bengals were 1-2 against the Steelers and last season were 1-1. In the first game last season the Steelers lost due to a 4th quarter muffed punt and the second game was a must-win situation for the Bengals and a meaningless game for the Steelers yet the Steelers won.How do figure they are the superior team? They look pretty equal to me.
Where do I say superior team?
If the Steelers are the 3rd best team in the division, then obviously you feel two of the divisional teams are better. Seeing as we can automatically rule out the Browns, it appears to me as if you're saying the Ravens and Bengals are better than the Steelers.
Correct, but there is a difference between better and superior. I would say the Bengals will be a 10-11 win team, but that doesn't make them superior.I really think the losses within the coaching staff are a big deal.

 
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I would actually be very interested in how Evilgrin 72 and other Steeler fans see their division turning out. What will the Win-Loss record be of every team in your division.

 
I would actually be very interested in how Evilgrin 72 and other Steeler fans see their division turning out. What will the Win-Loss record be of every team in your division.
Tough to say with authroity until after the draft, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Pittsburgh and Baltimore both with 10-11 wins competing for the division crown, Cincinnati with 8-9 wins right in the mix and the Browns around 5-11 or 6-10.
 
Tough to say with authroity until after the draft, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Pittsburgh and Baltimore both with 10-11 wins competing for the division crown, Cincinnati with 8-9 wins right in the mix and the Browns around 5-11 or 6-10.
I can see that. I could also see flip-flopping PIT with CIN.
 
Snotbubbles said:
Tough to say with authroity until after the draft, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Pittsburgh and Baltimore both with 10-11 wins competing for the division crown, Cincinnati with 8-9 wins right in the mix and the Browns around 5-11 or 6-10.
I can see that. I could also see flip-flopping PIT with CIN.
:yes: my thoughts exactly, but I don't think that is a very popular opinion right now.
 
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Snotbubbles said:
Tough to say with authroity until after the draft, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Pittsburgh and Baltimore both with 10-11 wins competing for the division crown, Cincinnati with 8-9 wins right in the mix and the Browns around 5-11 or 6-10.
I can see that. I could also see flip-flopping PIT with CIN.
:no: my thoughts exactly, but I don't think that is a very popular opinion right now.
So now you think Pittsburgh will win 8-9 games and be right in the playoff mix? Because earlier in this thread you were saying 6-8 wins and I know you told people in another thread that barring any major developments with the draft/free agency/pre-season injuries that you'd be willing to bet the under on "7 wins." You also said things would have to "go well for them" to get to 8 wins.Don't soften your stance now.

 
Snotbubbles said:
Tough to say with authroity until after the draft, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Pittsburgh and Baltimore both with 10-11 wins competing for the division crown, Cincinnati with 8-9 wins right in the mix and the Browns around 5-11 or 6-10.
I can see that. I could also see flip-flopping PIT with CIN.
:no: my thoughts exactly, but I don't think that is a very popular opinion right now.
So now you think Pittsburgh will win 8-9 games and be right in the playoff mix? Because earlier in this thread you were saying 6-8 wins and I know you told people in another thread that barring any major developments with the draft/free agency/pre-season injuries that you'd be willing to bet the under on "7 wins." You also said things would have to "go well for them" to get to 8 wins.Don't soften your stance now.
I said 6-8 wins. Why would I bet under 7 if I said 6-8 wins? If I would be willing to bet under 7 I would have said they will win 6 games....but I did't.You said

11-5 a distinct possibility.
I said
More like 6-10 or 8-8 if things go well for them.
I see the division breaking down as follows:Bengals: 10-11 wins

Ravens: 10-11 wins

Steelers: 6-8 wins

Browns: 4-6 wins

 
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I said 6-8 wins. Why would I bet under 7 if I said 6-8 wins? If I would be willing to bet under 7 I would have said they will win 6 games....but I did't.
Care to make a wager on 7 wins?
If not much changes for them between now and then hell ya I would. Please bring this up at the beging of September. If big ben was out for the year I doubt you would still want to make the wager....too much can happen, but please get back to me.
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Snotbubbles said:
Tough to say with authroity until after the draft, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Pittsburgh and Baltimore both with 10-11 wins competing for the division crown, Cincinnati with 8-9 wins right in the mix and the Browns around 5-11 or 6-10.
I can see that. I could also see flip-flopping PIT with CIN.
:goodposting: my thoughts exactly, but I don't think that is a very popular opinion right now.
So now you think Pittsburgh will win 8-9 games and be right in the playoff mix? Because earlier in this thread you were saying 6-8 wins and I know you told people in another thread that barring any major developments with the draft/free agency/pre-season injuries that you'd be willing to bet the under on "7 wins." You also said things would have to "go well for them" to get to 8 wins.Don't soften your stance now.
I said 6-8 wins. Why would I bet under 7 if I said 6-8 wins? If I would be willing to bet under 7 I would have said they will win 6 games....but I did't.You said

11-5 a distinct possibility.
I said
More like 6-10 or 8-8 if things go well for them.
I see the division breaking down as follows:Bengals: 10-11 wins

Ravens: 10-11 wins

Steelers: 6-8 wins

Browns: 4-6 wins
OK, but then how is that "flipflopping" CIN with PIT from my original scenario? I said Cincinnati would win 8-9 games and be in the playoff mix, not win 6-8 games, which would all but assure them of missing the playoffs. Or did you just mean flip-flopping their order of finish? I am pretty sure Snotbubbles was talking about Cincinnati possibly winning 10-11 games and Pittsburgh possibly winning 8-9 and you slapped a :goodposting: on it.
 
Snotbubbles said:
Tough to say with authroity until after the draft, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Pittsburgh and Baltimore both with 10-11 wins competing for the division crown, Cincinnati with 8-9 wins right in the mix and the Browns around 5-11 or 6-10.
I can see that. I could also see flip-flopping PIT with CIN.
:wub: my thoughts exactly, but I don't think that is a very popular opinion right now.
So now you think Pittsburgh will win 8-9 games and be right in the playoff mix? Because earlier in this thread you were saying 6-8 wins and I know you told people in another thread that barring any major developments with the draft/free agency/pre-season injuries that you'd be willing to bet the under on "7 wins." You also said things would have to "go well for them" to get to 8 wins.Don't soften your stance now.
I said 6-8 wins. Why would I bet under 7 if I said 6-8 wins? If I would be willing to bet under 7 I would have said they will win 6 games....but I did't.You said

11-5 a distinct possibility.
I said
More like 6-10 or 8-8 if things go well for them.
I see the division breaking down as follows:Bengals: 10-11 wins

Ravens: 10-11 wins

Steelers: 6-8 wins

Browns: 4-6 wins
OK, but then how is that "flipflopping" CIN with PIT from my original scenario? I said Cincinnati would win 8-9 games and be in the playoff mix, not win 6-8 games, which would all but assure them of missing the playoffs. Or did you just mean flip-flopping their order of finish? I am pretty sure Snotbubbles was talking about Cincinnati possibly winning 10-11 games and Pittsburgh possibly winning 8-9 and you slapped a :lmao: on it.
:stirspot: :unsure:
 
Tough to say with authroity until after the draft, but I wouldn't be shocked to see Pittsburgh and Baltimore both with 10-11 wins competing for the division crown, Cincinnati with 8-9 wins right in the mix and the Browns around 5-11 or 6-10.
I can see that. I could also see flip-flopping PIT with CIN.
:whistle: my thoughts exactly, but I don't think that is a very popular opinion right now.
So now you think Pittsburgh will win 8-9 games and be right in the playoff mix? Because earlier in this thread you were saying 6-8 wins and I know you told people in another thread that barring any major developments with the draft/free agency/pre-season injuries that you'd be willing to bet the under on "7 wins." You also said things would have to "go well for them" to get to 8 wins.Don't soften your stance now.
I said 6-8 wins. Why would I bet under 7 if I said 6-8 wins? If I would be willing to bet under 7 I would have said they will win 6 games....but I did't.You said

11-5 a distinct possibility.
I said
More like 6-10 or 8-8 if things go well for them.
I see the division breaking down as follows:Bengals: 10-11 wins

Ravens: 10-11 wins

Steelers: 6-8 wins

Browns: 4-6 wins
OK, but then how is that "flipflopping" CIN with PIT from my original scenario? I said Cincinnati would win 8-9 games and be in the playoff mix, not win 6-8 games, which would all but assure them of missing the playoffs. Or did you just mean flip-flopping their order of finish? I am pretty sure Snotbubbles was talking about Cincinnati possibly winning 10-11 games and Pittsburgh possibly winning 8-9 and you slapped a :banned: on it.
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What? I was asking a question here, not making any accusation. How is this remotely applicable?
 
To predict the Ravens and Cinci at 10-11 wins and Pittsburgh at 6 is laughable. With that said, predicting Cleveland to win 6 is being more than generous.

 
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I said 6-8 wins. Why would I bet under 7 if I said 6-8 wins? If I would be willing to bet under 7 I would have said they will win 6 games....but I did't.
Care to make a wager on 7 wins?
If not much changes for them between now and then hell ya I would. Please bring this up at the beging of September. If big ben was out for the year I doubt you would still want to make the wager....too much can happen, but please get back to me.
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;) Poor Scientist. Can't remember his own posts. Hopefully he'll remember that we have a bet on 7 wins "if not much changes for them" in September.
 
I said 6-8 wins. Why would I bet under 7 if I said 6-8 wins? If I would be willing to bet under 7 I would have said they will win 6 games....but I did't.
Care to make a wager on 7 wins?
If not much changes for them between now and then hell ya I would. Please bring this up at the beging of September. If big ben was out for the year I doubt you would still want to make the wager....too much can happen, but please get back to me.
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:wub: Poor Scientist. Can't remember his own posts. Hopefully he'll remember that we have a bet on 7 wins "if not much changes for them" in September.
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I've had to take some time to digest the Packer's schedule but here's my prediction...

vs Philly W in a close game the D is the difference

at NY Giants L another close game, but Eli looks good in the 4th

vs San Diego L the final score will be closer than the game

at Minnesota W low scoring game; GB D takes advantage of no O

vs Chicago W Chicago loses their 2nd game by 10

vs Washington W GB O finally looks good vs the Redskins

bye

at Denver L GB is never in this game

at Kansas City W a rare W at KC; Favre manages to keep it close tho

vs Minnesota L Minny gets revenge as the Pack overlook this game

vs Carolina W Both teams look good, Crosby's first GW FG

at Detroit W Turkeyday blowout

at Dallas L Favre has one of his better games in Texas Stadium, but Romo outshines him

vs Oakland W Oakland looks better than people think, but it's Dec

at St. Louis L In the Dome our D looks slow

at Chicago L Chicago wraps up the Div.

vs Detroit W Detroit playing for a franchise QB

Wildcard Weekend

at San Francisco W Classic matchup of overachievers; Favre shines

at New Orleans L Packs stops Bush, no answer for McAllister

9-7 slight improvement over last year in standings, but the overall play on the field shows Packer fans that the team is improving.

A 6th seed playoff birth as well and a nice win keeps Favre around one more year.

 

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