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Women's March on Washington (1 Viewer)

I'm betting those women probably have decided that 'you lost, get over it' isn't gonna fly for four years.

They probably think a president that thinks sexual assault is worth bragging about is worth protesting.

That's my guess.
Their unhappiness seems obvious.  I covered that in the first sentence.

Outside of that they want him to stop bragging about sexual assault?  That seems like something he could easily accomplish.

Done and done.

 
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Instead of talking about the pant size of these women, or the left over trash ...

Why aren't we talking about the size of the marches across the US, and in 7 other countries?
I think it's great they got some exercise and took advantage of their right to free speech and assembly  :shrug:

 
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I'm betting those women probably have decided that 'you lost, get over it' isn't gonna fly for four years.

They probably think a president that thinks sexual assault is worth bragging about is worth protesting.

That's my guess.
Also FWIW marches like this aren't solely about demanding specific change.  I think most people who strongly oppose Trump would tell you that it was also just heartwarming to see how many other people share our outrage that this could possibly happen. It kind of restored your faith in the country a little bit, at a time when for a lot of people it was shaken as much as it's been in a long time. 

 
Well, littering is a fineable offense, so considering all the outrage over the litter left behind, I'm sure we'll see follow-up stories of citations handed down for all the littering.  Won't be hard to find the responsible parties since the protests were permitted.  
Exactly. So ironic, in a world where ##### grabbing = President, now we're outraged about littering.

"Fine them up. Fine them up".

 
And as far as accomplishing anything ... swingleft.org reports over 100,000 signups in the last four days, obviously not a coincidence. Apparently their site was even down for a bit yesterday due to heavy traffic. People feel emboldened and inspired by these sort of things.  Midterm elections have long been a weak point for Dems who recently have done better among casual voters than the more dedicated folks who turn up for midterms, so that's big, already the march has translated into something more concrete.

 
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I'd wager most of the marchers voted. One of the main goals of actions like this, and many others, is to motivate attendees beyond mere voting. The women I know who attended came away with ideas on how to go back home and get more involved locally, and to organize so they could engage those who didn't vote. When you see speakers at these things give numbers for attendees to text, they are added to a list to receive actionable items and other communications like that. Grassroots stuff.

So, some marched so they can chant complaints and will do nothing else. Some wanted to be part of a historical event. Many will go back home and get more involved. 

 
Also FWIW marches like this aren't solely about demanding specific change.  I think most people who strongly oppose Trump would tell you that it was also just heartwarming to see how many other people share our outrage that this could possibly happen. It kind of restored your faith in the country a little bit, at a time when for a lot of people it was shaken as much as it's been in a long time. 
Well the challenge is to funnel that energy into change.  They had 8 times as many people as the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street combined.  But they need to translate that into getting people onto the ballot, and (hopefully) show that this isn't a movement centered in the densely populated urban centers where Democrats (if not always Progressives) already win.  Ideally, it means getting lots of women actually on ballots. 

 
Instead of talking about the pant size of these women, or the left over trash ...

Why aren't we talking about the size of the marches across the US, and in 7 other countries?
Impressive for fake outrage.  Ultimately it leads to nothing except a bunch of babies crying over an election loss.

 
If a small fraction of these women bothered to vote there wouldn't be any need for a march. The number of protesters don't matter. The number of arrests are irrelevant. The number of people at the inauguration is meaningless. All that matters is the electoral votes. Trump won.  All this after the fact nonsense reeks of sore loser (nobody lost any rights on Friday). Next time vote if it's that important. 
Why are you assuming that they didn't vote? 

 
Well the challenge is to funnel that energy into change.  They had 8 times as many people as the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street combined.  But they need to translate that into getting people onto the ballot, and (hopefully) show that this isn't a movement centered in the densely populated urban centers where Democrats (if not always Progressives) already win.  Ideally, it means getting lots of women actually on ballots. 
Sure, and I've been encouraged by what I've seen in the brief period since the march.  I'm just saying that feeling better about your country is an end in itself.  I feel better about America than I did Friday, and I bet a lot of other people would tell you the same. Nobody should be resting on their laurels of course. But people were asking what was accomplished, and that's one thing that was definitively accomplished.

 
It will be interesting to see how China reacts in the coming days.  Spicer essentially acknowledged a coming trade war, and inferred that the US would react strongly to China building islands in international waters.

 
Sure, and I've been encouraged by what I've seen in the brief period since the march.  I'm just saying that feeling better about your country is an end in itself.  I feel better about America than I did Friday, and I bet a lot of other people would tell you the same. Nobody should be resting on their laurels of course. But people were asking what was accomplished, and that's one thing that was definitively accomplished.
Yeah, I didn't really disagree with anything you said.  I also feel better.  I have numbed myself through most of this by finding it funny.  Because the Trump era is objectively both funny and terrifying.  And this march kind of broke through my walls a bit.  I'm an aging white dude.  This isn't a fight I'm going to contribute much to winning beyond voting and contributing to the causes I hold dear.   My demographic is going to be the last to break because we have strong self interests in preserving our privilege.  But if white women and persons of color can continue to find common cause around truly progressive issues (and the announced policy platform for this march was refreshingly progressive,) then I feel maybe this setback might end up having some long run positive effects if Trump doesn't kill us all first. 

 
Why are you assuming that they didn't vote? 
Well if there were millions and millions in all these cities and everyone of them did vote, then a VERY LARGE percentage of men voted for Trump.  I highly doubt that was the case.  But you're correct, perhaps everyone marching Saturday did vote.

 
Why are you assuming that they didn't vote? 
Well if there were millions and millions in all these cities and everyone of them did vote, then a VERY LARGE percentage of men voted for Trump.  I highly doubt that was the case.  But you're correct, perhaps everyone marching Saturday did vote.
There were some females marching that weren't old enough to vote, but you said, "If a small fraction of these women bothered to vote there wouldn't be any need for a march," and I disagree. I think more than a small fraction of the women who marched voted.

 
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What "rights" are they looking for that they don't have?  Still haven't heard an answer to this.
From the March's statement of principles

  • “Accountability and justice for police brutality” and “[dismantling] the gender and racial inequities within the criminal justice system”
  • Freedom from sexual violence
  • Ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution that would guarantee equal protection based on gender
  • Affirming that all domestic and caretaking work is work, even if unpaid, and that women — especially women of color — bear the brunt of that burden
  • “The right to organize and fight for a living minimum wage” for all workers, labor protections for undocumented and migrant workers, and “solidarity with sex workers’ rights movements”
  • Comprehensive reproductive rights, LGBTQ rights, and immigrant and refugee rights
 
From the March's statement of principles

  • “Accountability and justice for police brutality” and “[dismantling] the gender and racial inequities within the criminal justice system”
  • Freedom from sexual violence
  • Ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution that would guarantee equal protection based on gender
  • Affirming that all domestic and caretaking work is work, even if unpaid, and that women — especially women of color — bear the brunt of that burden
  • “The right to organize and fight for a living minimum wage” for all workers, labor protections for undocumented and migrant workers, and “solidarity with sex workers’ rights movements”
  • Comprehensive reproductive rights, LGBTQ rights, and immigrant and refugee rights
So...a lot of fluff talk since most of this is already in place.  Again, fake outrage at it's finest.

If they were serious about any of this stuff this protest would have happened a long time ago.  To do it right after you got your ### handed to you in the election smacks of being a sore loser and a bunch of cry babies.

 
So...a lot of fluff talk since most of this is already in place.  Again, fake outrage at it's finest.

If they were serious about any of this stuff this protest would have happened a long time ago.  To do it right after you got your ### handed to you in the election smacks of being a sore loser and a bunch of cry babies.
The Tea Party movement in 2009 started in much the same way (only this is much larger.) 

And sore losers? This isn't a game, Max. The people who marched were disgusted by the election of a man like Donald Trump and wanted to express their defiance against what they believe him to represent: mysogeny, bigotry, racism. 

For me, after being depressed for months and wondering if the America that I've always loved is gone, it was uplifting to watch these people. 

 
Lesson 2:  Lesson 1 is incorrect.  It's definitely fake outrage.
It's very real outrage. You may not think it's warranted outrage in your opinion, but the people marching are really outraged. It's not for you to determine if their outrage is genuine or not. It makes you look foolish when you attempt to dismiss it as fake.

Somewhat tangentially, It's funny. We just had a Presidential election determined by a somewhat regional subset of people voting on emotional issues, the perceived neglect of their concerns and circumstances. No less than 3 months later, that group of people who "won" the election are dead set on dismissing the perceived neglect of concerns and circumstances of another subset of voters. I wonder how that will turn out when it's election time again.

 
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Impressive for fake outrage.  Ultimately it leads to nothing except a bunch of babies crying over an election loss.
I guess you are hoping it leads to nothing. Donald Trump has only elected as President for 4 years not emperor for life. Every movement starts somewhere.

 
And I gotta call you out Max, lol, because you're so quick to accuse anyone you regard as a liberal of hypocrisy. 

During the election you frequently complained that both candidates were terrible and that you couldn't support either. That was an acceptable position though I disagreed with it. 

But since Trump won you have spent all of your time in these threads attacking anyone who dares criticize him. Your arguments are always the same: it's either "fake outrage" or it's hypocritical because they didn't criticize Hillary or Obama for doing what you think is the same thing (even though that's rarely true). You never criticize Trump yourself; in fact you seem to cheer on everything he does. 

I cant tell the difference between you and a diehard Trump supporter, frankly. At least guys like Higgs are honest enough to state that's who they are. I think you (and a few others around here) are trying to have it both ways. 

 
So...a lot of fluff talk since most of this is already in place.  Again, fake outrage at it's finest.

If they were serious about any of this stuff this protest would have happened a long time ago.  To do it right after you got your ### handed to you in the election smacks of being a sore loser and a bunch of cry babies.
Already 30 pages on the women's march, so there is obvious worry from the Trumpkins here.

Just the crowd size in DC alone was 3x the size of the inauguration crowd. This doesn't include the 500k in LA, 200k in Denver, and marches in 50 other countries.

Trump received 3 million less votes than Hillary. And, if I were Trump, I would not ignore this. He won Wi, MI, and PA by 110k votes. That's it. 

With that being said ... continue to claim that the women's march was worthless. Say other things like women are fat and stupid, if you haven't already. Laugh that we can't organize. Please continue. Because of people like you, and mysoginists like Trump will continue this new movement. I have a feeling that a sleeping giant has been woken... Carry on, buttercup, carry on.

 
I cant tell the difference between you and a diehard Trump supporter, frankly. At least guys like Higgs are honest enough to state that's who they are. I think you (and a few others around here) are trying to have it both ways. 
No question, there are several posters in here who attempt to put out the facade of non-partisanship in a sad attempt to somehow legitimize their vapid opinions. But they're pretty transparent, it just make them look silly.

 
And I gotta call you out Max, lol, because you're so quick to accuse anyone you regard as a liberal of hypocrisy. 

During the election you frequently complained that both candidates were terrible and that you couldn't support either. That was an acceptable position though I disagreed with it. 

But since Trump won you have spent all of your time in these threads attacking anyone who dares criticize him. Your arguments are always the same: it's either "fake outrage" or it's hypocritical because they didn't criticize Hillary or Obama for doing what you think is the same thing (even though that's rarely true). You never criticize Trump yourself; in fact you seem to cheer on everything he does. 

I cant tell the difference between you and a diehard Trump supporter, frankly. At least guys like Higgs are honest enough to state that's who they are. I think you (and a few others around here) are trying to have it both ways. 
There is no difference and it was obvious he was a big Trump supporter months before the election contrary to his claim that he didn't like either candidate.

Max came into the Hillary thread almost every day and trashed her and her supporters but never once criticized Trump and his supporters in any of the Trump threads. He is doing a variation of that shtick now. He didn't fool anyone before and he is not fooling anyone now.

 
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Already 30 pages on the women's march, so there is obvious worry from the Trumpkins here.

Just the crowd size in DC alone was 3x the size of the inauguration crowd. This doesn't include the 500k in LA, 200k in Denver, and marches in 50 other countries.

Trump received 3 million less votes than Hillary. And, if I were Trump, I would not ignore this. He won Wi, MI, and PA by 110k votes. That's it. 

With that being said ... continue to claim that the women's march was worthless. Say other things like women are fat and stupid, if you haven't already. Laugh that we can't organize. Please continue. Because of people like you, and mysoginists like Trump will continue this new movement. I have a feeling that a sleeping giant has been woken... Carry on, buttercup, carry on.
You may be right.  Time will tell.  Ulitmately if the economy keeps doing well and Trump doesn't do anything really dumb, it's unlikely that this will have legs as it's a privileged country.

If he starts repressing people or making discriminatory laws or gets his country into wars or tanks the economy....then you'll see some true and lasting outrage.  

 
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You may be right.  Time will tell.  Ulitmately if the economy keeps doing well and Trump doesn't do anything really dumb, it's unlikely that this will have legs as it's a privileged country.

If he starts repressing people or making discriminatory laws or gets his country into wars or tanks the economy....then you'll see some true outrage.  
Why do we need outrage to have a movement ? You guys keep talking about this as if only outrage will successfully drive a movement.

 
Why do we need outrage to have a movement ? You guys keep talking about this as if only outrage will successfully drive a movement.
I don't know what you're talking about.

Movements generally don't come about for no reason.  Usually there are reasons behind them, which is all I'm saying.  Outrage is a good reason.

 
Already 30 pages on the women's march, so there is obvious worry from the Trumpkins here.

Just the crowd size in DC alone was 3x the size of the inauguration crowd. This doesn't include the 500k in LA, 200k in Denver, and marches in 50 other countries.

Trump received 3 million less votes than Hillary. And, if I were Trump, I would not ignore this. He won Wi, MI, and PA by 110k votes. That's it. 

With that being said ... continue to claim that the women's march was worthless. Say other things like women are fat and stupid, if you haven't already. Laugh that we can't organize. Please continue. Because of people like you, and mysoginists like Trump will continue this new movement. I have a feeling that a sleeping giant has been woken... Carry on, buttercup, carry on.
Scoreboard?

 
I don't know what you're talking about.

Movements generally don't come about for no reason.  Usually there are reasons behind them, which is all I'm saying.  Outrage is a good reason.
Maybe it's a matter of expression ... I would say that several of my friends, who traveled from Columbus OH to D.C. to march was a result from outrage.

They took a day off of work Friday, drove 6 hours, woke up early the next day and dealt with an overcrowded metro, ate only a breakfast bar and one bottle of water from morning until 6 pm, dealt with crowds so large that it was almost impossible to move, and drove home Sunday only to have to be back at work on Monday. Seems like a lot of women (and men) did this and it's not because they are just a little sad.

 
I know you're fishing, but there's some truth there. There were two groups of people that absolutely HATED the other candidate.  There was going to be protests no matter what happened.
Actually not fishing.  Him winning three states by 110K votes or 110 votes are meaningless.  He won the states.  He's President.  Scoreboard.  It's like bragging about scoring 50 points a game and having a .500 winning percentage not in the playoffs.

 
I wouldn't even describe this as a movement at all.  A bunch of people got pissed because they lost (mostly women and castrated men) and protested.  That's all this was.  Nothing will come of this other than "look at those cry-babies over there".

 
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Maybe it's a matter of expression ... I would say that several of my friends, who traveled from Columbus OH to D.C. to march was a result from outrage.

They took a day off of work Friday, drove 6 hours, woke up early the next day and dealt with an overcrowded metro, ate only a breakfast bar and one bottle of water from morning until 6 pm, dealt with crowds so large that it was almost impossible to move, and drove home Sunday only to have to be back at work on Monday. Seems like a lot of women (and men) did this and it's not because they are just a little sad.
I'm honestly confused as to your point now.  I'm sure these friends of yours did this because they had outrage, which was what I said earlier.  Then you asked "why do we need to have outrage to have a movement".  

I apologize if I'm not getting your point but ultimately I don't think I disagree w you.  There is plenty of outrage, whether it's long-lasting and will affect Trump kind of depends on Trump now.

 
I wouldn't even describe this as a movement at all.  A bunch of people got pissed because they lost (mostly women and castrated men) and protested.  That's all this was.  Nothing will come of this other than "look at those cry-babies over".
Impossible to know whether that's true or not.  But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there are two opposing views in the USA and they seem to hate each other more w each passing day.

So I'd say it's two movements in opposite directions.

 

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