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This is all just opinion. I think to say something that was as well directed at Birdman was one of the worst movies is silly too.
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Worst best picture winners (Oscar) (1 Viewer)
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KarmaPolice
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Didn't mean much by the comment. I don't care what the topic is, I will always talk movies.
Smack Tripper
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Moonlight is dreck. What a snooze.
Chicago and Shakespeare were products of the weinstein machine. Shakespeare was no best picture film but a much better ride in 1998 than private ryan. Shakeseapre, like that trash "crash", are as someone mentioned, movies to make dumb people feel smart
Crash and moonlight are the only bad movies to win in my lifetime
Chicago and Shakespeare were products of the weinstein machine. Shakespeare was no best picture film but a much better ride in 1998 than private ryan. Shakeseapre, like that trash "crash", are as someone mentioned, movies to make dumb people feel smart
Crash and moonlight are the only bad movies to win in my lifetime
jwb
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I never really got the Gump hate either. Like you, I personally like Pulp and Shawshank a little better, but Gump belongs in the conversation.
For me, Crash is the one that sticks out. Like someone else here said - a "smart" movie for dumb people. Perfect.
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William Munny
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Another movie I couldn't make it through after 3 attempts.
Hurt Locker was pretty awful too BUT IT WAS DIRECTED BY A WOMAN
Mind blown
i wouldn't normally try to discuss taste but I'm curious why you thought it was a bad movie.
William Munny
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Yeah I'm surprised at the hard feelings toward Gump. Fun movie. I do agree it's not better than Shawshank but I have no issue with it beating Pulp.
MarvinTScamper
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Here's why I didn't think Gladiator (and we could include Braveheart, i suppose, although I liked that movie a lot more) - the acting wasn't that great. Forrest Gump was a good movie..a.really good one. But Shawshank was freaking crazy crazy good.
William Munny
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Ordinary People over Raging Bull is as bad as it gets.
wilked
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Anyone saying American Beauty was not great is off-base
Birdman was also fantastic. Even if it wasn't your cup of tea, how could you not come away impressed by how well it was put together? Again, similar to Moonlight, which had amazing scene work, acting, directing, etc. If you can't see that you either don't understand the detail behind the art or willfully ignore it.
On the other hand, those saying Gladiator was flawed are on point. It was a good movie, nothing especially wrong with it, but never really sniffed greatness.
And Crash is my vote for this pole
Birdman was also fantastic. Even if it wasn't your cup of tea, how could you not come away impressed by how well it was put together? Again, similar to Moonlight, which had amazing scene work, acting, directing, etc. If you can't see that you either don't understand the detail behind the art or willfully ignore it.
On the other hand, those saying Gladiator was flawed are on point. It was a good movie, nothing especially wrong with it, but never really sniffed greatness.
And Crash is my vote for this pole
MarvinTScamper
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I LOVED this movie. And I didn't see until at least a year or two after it won the award. Who do you prefer from that year? Benjamin Button? Frost/Nixon? The Reader? I could see Milk, I guess, but I thought Slumdog was awesome.
wilked
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I think both of you are right here... It deserved it relative to its competition, but was lucky to have a down year overall to get the win
I also thought it was great, one of the few movies I saw twice in the theater.
Mrs. Rannous
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I saw it with a friend, and I expected it to be aimed largely at kids. I like kids' movies, so no problem. But at the beginning of the movie, the directorial choices just lost me as silly plot devices. Why just show people with flashlights looking around? Why not show it's the Feds? Random rednecks or whatever aren't nearly as tension building as people with resources. When the federales come over the hill in that ridiculous shot, I started laughing and couldn't take any of the rest of the movie seriously. Spielberg has some great moments as a director, but sometimes he just has brain cramps.
And then there was the major logic problem at what should have been the moment of greatest pathos. ET is isolated in a nice, germ-free space. He dies. "Scientist" removes protective suit cover. Because obviously, all ET's germies died with him. WTF? No one could take a few minutes to think that through?
It all seemed very carelessly done to me. And I love and collect fairy tales, so the "magical" stuff shouldn't have been so jarring.
wikkidpissah
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No, there've been a couple - musta got erased. I remember em well cuz my cousin's movie, Chicago, didnt fare very well and i kinda took it the 1st time so not to be a
, but didn't the second, tho my defense wasnt much more popular than the movie. Not so bad this go'round - time wounds all heels, i guess. 
rockaction
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Forrest Gump is a great book, and a great movie. That it went up against Pulp and Shawshank only speak to how good movies were that year, not its own quality.
rockaction
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Oh my God, Hurt Locker was awesome. I don't care if it was directed by a woman or a man. Kathryn Bigelow is one of my favorite directors in Hollywood. Walking out of that film during the Iraq War on the Lower East Side of Manhattan for a matinee was one of the things I'll remember most about New York, and the arts in general.
Hurt Locker was pretty awful too BUT IT WAS DIRECTED BY A WOMAN
Todem
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While Titanic did not suck (my wife and I like to crack jokes reciting certain lines of that movie), L.A. Confidential was a fantastic movie.
Crash would get my vote along with Gump.
The Shawshank Redemption.....not Pulp Fiction was 1994's Best Picture and will be the one that truly stands the test of time. I really like Pulp Fiction but it has not aged incredible well and is not even my favorite Tarantino movie. Not even a top 3 Tarantino flick for me anymore.
Gladiator was awesome. Anytime that movie is on....I can't turn it off. Epic. Overrated? God no. Pure Hollywood gold.
How Saving Private Ryan did not win.....absolute travesty!!!
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Todem
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Agree on that. Gump is a good movie. But Shawshank is just......perfect. Shawshank became a cable darling and people realized how incredible it was long past 1994. Gump and Pulp had all the hype.
Shawshank had the real bite.
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Don Quixote
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Driving Miss Daisy was pretty bad. Not even Morgan Freeman's best movie that year (Glory).
Yes, thread has been done a few times but no harm, no foul.
Have argued multiple times that SPR is overrated as a complete film, its a technical achievement but a very poor story, drags in the middle badly, and has the overwrought bookends tacked onto it. Band of Brothers has the same technical brilliance but actually has a great story, that's what SPR should have been. Shakespeare shouldn't have won that year either but was a critical darling, its one of those movies that appeals to critics and academy voters like The English Patient or La La Land this past year. Everyone forgets about Life Is Beautiful, which was the deserving winner that year over SPR.
Shawshank wasn't very popular at the time and was a bomb when it came out. It was nominated for ever major category and lost every single one. It didn't really take off until word of mouth through the VHS rental market and then years later when TNT/TBS got the tv rights when they bought Castle Rock and started airing it daily. That's when it really took off and became recognized for the achievement it was. When AFI released their top 100 films of the past 100 years in the late 90's, Shawshank wasn't even on in the list. A decade later they redid the list and finally included it and ranked it ahead of Gump and Pulp Fiction.
Have argued multiple times that SPR is overrated as a complete film, its a technical achievement but a very poor story, drags in the middle badly, and has the overwrought bookends tacked onto it. Band of Brothers has the same technical brilliance but actually has a great story, that's what SPR should have been. Shakespeare shouldn't have won that year either but was a critical darling, its one of those movies that appeals to critics and academy voters like The English Patient or La La Land this past year. Everyone forgets about Life Is Beautiful, which was the deserving winner that year over SPR.
Shawshank wasn't very popular at the time and was a bomb when it came out. It was nominated for ever major category and lost every single one. It didn't really take off until word of mouth through the VHS rental market and then years later when TNT/TBS got the tv rights when they bought Castle Rock and started airing it daily. That's when it really took off and became recognized for the achievement it was. When AFI released their top 100 films of the past 100 years in the late 90's, Shawshank wasn't even on in the list. A decade later they redid the list and finally included it and ranked it ahead of Gump and Pulp Fiction.
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wikkidpissah
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Hacky plotting made even worse when one realizes how good it could have been. Scott/Crowe did the same thing with Robin Hood - both tales of a tempest in a teapot which caused great powers to topple themselves Hollywoodized into a CONTEST FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD!!!! The flash cuts in the fighting sequences gave it a quality no flick had before but every flick had after, but only holds up now as a channelstopper
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Thunderlips
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The adults (except for the mother) aren't shown except from the waist down because it's supposed to show it from the POV of a kid.....with the idea that adults (to children) are "faceless" or generic until they effect kids lives.
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need2know
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I was so disappointed in that Robin Hood movie. But that's a trend with just about every recent ridley Scott movie
El Floppo
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IIRC- Citizen Kane got jobbed along with a couple others the same year... googling now.
yep- 1941. How Green was My Valley won ahead of Kane, Maltese Falcon, Sergent York, Suspicion (Hitchcock).
I looooved and love Rocky. but it beat out a murderers row of deserving films in 1976: All the Presidents Men, Bound for Glory, Taxi Driver, Network.
I really didn't like The English Patient... it beat out Secrets and Lies, Fargo and Jerry McGuire (the first two absolutely far more deserving).
I liked Shakespeare in Love ok, but not as much as Thin Red Line, Saving Private Ryan or Elizabeth.
didn't hate, but didn't love Crash- but weaker than all of: Brokeback, Capote, Good Night, and Good Luck, Munich
yep- 1941. How Green was My Valley won ahead of Kane, Maltese Falcon, Sergent York, Suspicion (Hitchcock).
I looooved and love Rocky. but it beat out a murderers row of deserving films in 1976: All the Presidents Men, Bound for Glory, Taxi Driver, Network.
I really didn't like The English Patient... it beat out Secrets and Lies, Fargo and Jerry McGuire (the first two absolutely far more deserving).
I liked Shakespeare in Love ok, but not as much as Thin Red Line, Saving Private Ryan or Elizabeth.
didn't hate, but didn't love Crash- but weaker than all of: Brokeback, Capote, Good Night, and Good Luck, Munich
Chemical X
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around the world in 80 days beat out the ten commandments and the king and I.
greatest show on earth beat out high noon and the quiet man.
greatest show on earth beat out high noon and the quiet man.
rockaction
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Rocky is so good precisely because it comments socially without being overt about it. It's like poetry, actually. To comment philosophically without overt philosophizing. The scenes with Rocky and Adrian are worthy of Oscar shorts in and of themselves. They manage to distill so many things into a date, whether it be love, romance, sociopolitics -- these scenes take the unbridled masculinity of Travis Bickle, the sociopolitical notions of Network, Rocky's disposal at the hands of systemic forces, and the latent feminism that should pervade Adrian's life in the mid-'70s but don't -- and distill them into a date with two lovable but really flawed characters.
It's quite remarkable. It's a worthy Oscar winner. Sometimes you aim not at overt political statements, but at a date, and you capture the time, place, and politics of the thing. I love those scenes. They make me cringe, but I love them for their art.
Same with Gump. Gump does some great stuff. Gump's book was actually not as corny. It was a fantastical story about a 6'4", 240 autistic savant who just goes through life doing the best he can. It was not a magical Down Syndrome sufferer. It was just a bit different, a great Southern novel by Winston Groom, and it wound up in a movie adaptation that stayed as true as it could while being slightly PC actually, as the book was very bawdy and about the late sixties/seventies cult scenes as through the eyes of an autistic person. Just fascinating.
But, anyway, Rocky deserved its Oscar.
It's quite remarkable. It's a worthy Oscar winner. Sometimes you aim not at overt political statements, but at a date, and you capture the time, place, and politics of the thing. I love those scenes. They make me cringe, but I love them for their art.
Same with Gump. Gump does some great stuff. Gump's book was actually not as corny. It was a fantastical story about a 6'4", 240 autistic savant who just goes through life doing the best he can. It was not a magical Down Syndrome sufferer. It was just a bit different, a great Southern novel by Winston Groom, and it wound up in a movie adaptation that stayed as true as it could while being slightly PC actually, as the book was very bawdy and about the late sixties/seventies cult scenes as through the eyes of an autistic person. Just fascinating.
But, anyway, Rocky deserved its Oscar.
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El Floppo
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I didn't like Gump so much at the time- felt like it came during a period where hollywood was trying to make social/humanity commentary by using non-humans... felt disingenuous, especially given what I felt like was a theme. I preferred to see my tales of human drama told by humans, not neredowells with superhuman speed and good fortune.
I saw Rocky 8 times in the theaters and cheered my lungs out when it won the oscar. didn't realize in my youth how amazing the more intimate scenes were and how well it was written and directed- realized all of that much later. my earlier comments about the murderers row of films it was up against was in no way a judgement that Rocky didn't deserve the win- just that there were so many others that year that also did.
KarmaPolice
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@rockaction I will still try to keep the movie talk here.
I really found your comment in the other thread about you being a punk/3mins at a time focused guy interesting and that you can focus on the few amazing scenes for a movie like Hurt Locker. Again just shows how differently everybody thinks and how we process things. That's why I find these talks so interesting.
I haven't seen it since around the time it came out, so maybe take my thoughts with a grain of thought. I just remember feeling that there were too many scenes that felt drummed up for emotion or that were flat out eye rolling - I remember a sniper scene, him going rogue and running off base? I think I was also annoyed there wasn't more time devoted to his mental status when he went back and that the ending felt way overdone as the music rolled and he came back. Felt to me a little too America #### Yeah and almost like a recruitment tool. Again, these are all just a jumble of thoughts that have lingered since I saw it and really disliked it. Probably need to watch it again though. (Plus Renner is a guy that I feel the the need to punch as soon as I see him now, so that will not help matters. Really don't like him in anything I see him in)
rockaction
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I didn't like went that he went rogue either in The Hurt Locker. Felt like a forced way to get you to see how domestic relations worked. Also how the people viewed the soldiers.
If you don't like Renner, that movie is not for you.
As for the bolded, Bigelow just tries to portray men as men. The beginning quote of the movie, Chris Hedges (an alum at my U) focuses on adrenalin and war. Hedges is as left as they come, as he's given speeches at my school and writes for the NYT as a left-winger, so...Bigelow is probably so far left she's right.
Zero Dark Thirty was crazy, too. Loved it. Love her war movies.
Thunderlips
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Best scene to me is when Mick is basically baring his soul in Rocky's doorway; begging to be his manager and Rocky's not having any of it; but realizes he's going to get his ### kicked Then, I like the little subtle long angle scene that ends it...where Mick's walking away, Rock chases after him and asks him. It's cool to see Burgess Meredith kind of turn around and flinch as he sees Rocky run up; as if he's not sure Rocky's not going to beat his ###.
ETA: Rocky is darned near perfect; except for the "cut me" gaffe where the blood squirts out weird.
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wikkidpissah
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General Malaise
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General Malaise
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Not sure how this is page 3 and no mention of The Last Emperor. Maybe I need to see it as an adult; I tried as a young teen. It sucked. It also won over Broadcast News, Fatal Attraction, Moonstruck, Hope & Glory....not nominated but produced other winners/nominees were Wall Street, Untouchables and Good Morning Vietnam.
Must have had a million late nights end with somebody saying "hey, let's watch Wall Street" or "Dude, Untouchables is on!". Never once did anybody wind the night down with "Hey, let's go rent The Last Emperor at Blockbuster!".
Must have had a million late nights end with somebody saying "hey, let's watch Wall Street" or "Dude, Untouchables is on!". Never once did anybody wind the night down with "Hey, let's go rent The Last Emperor at Blockbuster!".
otb_lifer
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meh, it just left me empty - couldn't give one flyin' fiddler's #### about any of the characters. just waaayyy too cartoonish and over the top - outrageousness for outrageousness sake is boring and trite (see also: Fiction, Pulp).
it should've been titled "National Lampoon's Ordinary People" - because that's how it rubbed me
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General Malaise
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El Floppo
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yeah- you're nuts there. Last Emperor was a pretty great movie- sweeping, epic, beautiful, and interesting. bertolucci doing tip-top work. definitely deserving of the win, IMO
General Malaise
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I should watch it again then. I thought it sucked but that was back when I thought Krokus was a great band.
El Floppo
Footballguy
it's definitely not as fun/re-watchable as the Untouchables, because that's the chicago way.
but on it's own- great story told really well by a guy on edge of being a master. worth the watch.
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