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The Bills at least got good players with the first two picks, they just reached for them. It's even stranger that they admitted to getting offers to trade the 8 and didn't want to risk missing Witner and then traded up for McCargo. Guess we'll never know who those extra picks could have been.

No one is mentioning the Rams? It's hard to knock Hill, Wroten and Alston, but 2 TEs?

 
As bad a pick as Kiwi was in the first, that's as good a pick Moss was in the 2nd for the G-men. Wilkinson adds depth to the MLB spot and can't be any slower than Greisen was.

I listened to Accorsi talk about the "possibilities" that Kiwi brings them on the pass rush and I was like :confused: . He has that guy already in the form of Justin Tuck, who can also play the run. The Giants were in a great position to draft a CB, RB, or OT there and they wasted that pick, IMO.

I'm excited about what Moss can do in this offense. The one thing the Giants were missing was a healthy burner. Taylor and Carter can fly, but it doesn't mean anything if they are constantly on the IR.

Certainly not the best, but not the worst either . C.

 
1 8 Whitner, Donte SS 5-10 203 Ohio State (ranked 25th)

1 26 McCargo, John DT 6-2 301 North Carolina State (ranked 74th)

3 70 Youboty, Ashton CB 6-0 188 Ohio State (ranked 44th)

Whitner is a very good player, BUT he would of been on the board in the middle of the round say... where the EAGLES picked. Its no secret the Eagles wanted to trade up. I don't care if they got a bag of chips and a sammich to swap picks, you take it. My guess is Philly would of gave up a 3rd and 5th to move up to that spot. THe bills could of packaged up a deal and moved out of the 3rd into the second and landed Winston or Jimmy Williams.

McCargo's BEST placement in a mock draft was middle 3rd round. Though the spent way to much to move up in the draft to nab a guy no one wanteed for the next 2 rounds!!! Probably a good player, but... value? no.

Youboty is an excellent pick. But I would of LOVED to see the Bills move up and grab a good OT prospect. Secondary isn't THAT much of a concern with Clements and McGee... Vincent and Whitner. Its a solid bunch.

I grade them out: D+ Players that will contribute I am sure, but the value SUCKS. Maybe they will be standouts, I don;t know, but the bottom line is they didn't get value for where they picked... and that is why most my friends are

:bag: right now.

 
As bad a pick as Kiwi was in the first, that's as good a pick Moss was in the 2nd for the G-men. Wilkinson adds depth to the MLB spot and can't be any slower than Greisen was.

I listened to Accorsi talk about the "possibilities" that Kiwi brings them on the pass rush and I was like :confused: . He has that guy already in the form of Justin Tuck, who can also play the run. The Giants were in a great position to draft a CB, RB, or OT there and they wasted that pick, IMO.

I'm excited about what Moss can do in this offense. The one thing the Giants were missing was a healthy burner. Taylor and Carter can fly, but it doesn't mean anything if they are constantly on the IR.

Certainly not the best, but not the worst either . C.
While I like Kiwi quite a bit, even at 1.32, I agree. Osi isn't going anywhere, and Tuck will fill in for Strahan in time. Now it looks like a future rotation. Might be a good move in the long run, but I sure expected OT or corner there.The Sinorice Moss pick was a very good fit IMO. Eli, Shockey, Plax, and Moss make a very nice group, and if Tiki can hang on for a few years, that offense looks very promising.

 
I didn't like my Jaguars draft at all. I have questions about Lewis' ability to block and separate on an NFL level. He looks a lot like another big slow WR to me and the Jags have plenty of those already. Drew is a second round 5'6" RB and Ingram sure looks like a reach. So we got two offensive skill position guys from the Pac 10 :X and a linebacker almost no one had going day one for a 3rd and 4th round pick with the trade up. :yucky:

On the local boards they are mostly popping open champagne and grading the draft an A or B, I don't see it. Any non-bias opinions?

:shrug:

 
This is an embarrasing day for Buffalo Bills fans. :bag:
i think it is more of an embarassing day for people that think they are experts and hang on every word that comes out of the mouths of Kiper, Mortensen and Clayton.what i find even more funny is the number of people that day after day after day post on this board how much they can't stand ESPN and their pathetic on air talent.....and then on the day of the draft all of a sudden they are the crowned prince of NFL Draft knowledge.

 
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I didn't like my Jaguars draft at all. I have questions about Lewis' ability to block and separate on an NFL level. He looks a lot like another big slow WR to me and the Jags have plenty of those already. Drew is a second round 5'6" RB and Ingram sure looks like a reach. So we got two offensive skill position guys from the Pac 10 :X and a linebacker almost no one had going day one for a 3rd and 4th round pick with the trade up. :yucky:

On the local boards they are mostly popping open champagne and grading the draft an A or B, I don't see it. Any non-bias opinions?

:shrug:
The Drew pick confused me even though I like his skill. Pearman, while not a stud, fills the same role IMO, and I don't see Drew starting ahead of Jones. Maybe, if Jones becomes the goalline / short yardage back, but it seems the Jags should have gone OL instead.

 
Not as bad as some mentioned, but the Steelers was bad.
no offense, but when the Steelers almost always have a good draft, I'm inclined to give them deference on their picks.There's a few teams I almost always give an automatic pass to, Pittsburgh, NE, and Denver. Not to say they can't make mistakes (Clarett), but overall, they do quite well, so I'm not going to call their draft "bad".

 
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i think it is more of an embarassing day for people that think they are experts and hang on every word that comes out of the mouths of Kiper, Mortensen and Clayton.

what i find even more funny is the number of people that day after day after day post on this board how much they can't stand ESPN and their pathetic on air talent.....and then on the day of the draft all of a sudden they are the crowned prince of NFL Draft knowledge.
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1 8 Whitner, Donte SS 5-10 203 Ohio State (ranked 25th)

1 26 McCargo, John DT 6-2 301 North Carolina State (ranked 74th)

3 70 Youboty, Ashton CB 6-0 188 Ohio State (ranked 44th)

Whitner is a very good player, BUT he would of been on the board in the middle of the round say... where the EAGLES picked. Its no secret the Eagles wanted to trade up. I don't care if they got a bag of chips and a sammich to swap picks, you take it. My guess is Philly would of gave up a 3rd and 5th to move up to that spot. THe bills could of packaged up a deal and moved out of the 3rd into the second and landed Winston or Jimmy Williams.

McCargo's BEST placement in a mock draft was middle 3rd round. Though the spent way to much to move up in the draft to nab a guy no one wanteed for the next 2 rounds!!! Probably a good player, but... value? no.

Youboty is an excellent pick. But I would of LOVED to see the Bills move up and grab a good OT prospect. Secondary isn't THAT much of a concern with Clements and McGee... Vincent and Whitner. Its a solid bunch.

I grade them out: D+ Players that will contribute I am sure, but the value SUCKS. Maybe they will be standouts, I don;t know, but the bottom line is they didn't get value for where they picked... and that is why most my friends are

:bag: right now.
RUMOR has it the Eagles were willing to part with the 14th and their 2nd rounder to move up to 8th for Bunkley. No idea if this is a real data point or not, but it was discussed on Philly radio late last night.
 
Not as bad as some mentioned, but the Steelers was bad.
no offense, but when the Steelers almost always have a good draft, I'm inclined to give them deference on their picks.There's a few teams I almost always give an automatic pass to, Pittsburgh, NE, and Denver. Not to say they can't make mistakes (Clarett), but overall, they do quite well, so I'm not going to call their draft "bad".
I hate the ####### Steelers now. That said 19 of their 22 Super Bowl starters were brought in via the draft. Look at Larry Foote as an example. He went in the 4th round (pick 30) of the 2002 draft coming out of Michigan as a strong safety. I will tell you that when Larry was at Michigan I had confidence that if someone broke the line Foote would be there for the tackle. Fundamentally he is one of the best tacklers in Michigan football history (at least that I've seen). So Pittsburgh drafts him and tells him he'll play LB and must add weight. They already know Foote has the speed and extraordinary tacking ability while other teams seem to think he's a tweener. Look what Foote has done. He is way underrated with Porter and his big mouth around but he might be the team's best linebacker. He certainly is a great example of what Pittsburgh does on draft day and I think no matter who they chose, that pick must be taken with a grain of salt until the guy gets into the system so we can see what they will do with them. It seems to me the Steelers know what they will do with a player well before they draft him and they usually follow through nicely.

 
I'm not crazy about the Giants draft. Or the Cowboys.
The Cowboys couldn't have done worse if they tried....harder! Parcells has proven yet again that he can outsmart himself in more ways then scientists have discovered. To draft a TE in the second round, when top OT prospects are availabe, combined with drafting a DE in the 3rd round when the top OG prospect and a decent FS option in Max Jean Gilles and Ko Simpson respectively....special blind kids could have done better, and that's an insult to the mental disfigured!TE and DE were right at the top of "things we don't need". Parcells is an idiot and i'm going to be in need of actual remedies to this pain in my gut. Any old pats or jets fans around here with the secret to the cure for living with Tuna the Terrible?
The first pick I was like okay but lets get to work on the O Line in the next rounds. Enough D already. Then a TE and a DE? Oppurtunity missed !

I agree totally with your assessment and this Cowboys fan is not a happy camper.

The Bills are the only bigger failures so far and not by much.

 
Why does Buffalo have such a hard-on for Buckeye DB's?
:shrug: It seems to have worked out pretty well for them so far. Their two previous OSU DBs drafted in the past 10 years are two of the best DBs in the entire league.

 
Seattle--Their first round pick at DB is weak, the guy is slow and not very physical, a major reach.
Kelly Jennings was a 1st rounder on the majority of draft sites/services; and the additions of Jennings and Tapp were phenomenal considering they both serve as depth to an already stacked team. Seattle had one of the better drafts considering where they were picking in each round IMHO.
 
Did the Bears draft Hester to just return kicks and run reverses? Because there's 0% chance of him playing corner in the NFL, and I highly doubt he's going to become a suitable receiver either.

That really stood out as an awful selection.
exactly. worst pick of Day 1 by a mile.
Hester was on the phone about to be selected with the Titans at 45 when the went LenDale instead so I don't know how taking him at 57 was a reach. Clearly the guy was on other teams boards an hour earlier. The only reason people hate the Bears draft is that they didn't follow the "script". I'm not a believer in grading drafts until these kids actually play. The Bears return game was atrocious last year, and a far more glaring weakness than a pass catching TE. Who knows if Hester will pan out, but he will play right away on special teams and has the potential to either be a speed DB to match up against the fast smurf WRs that are becoming the rage or be one himself. Even if limited in college, when he did touch the ball he did damage.
 
1 8 Whitner, Donte SS 5-10 203 Ohio State (ranked 25th)

1 26 McCargo, John DT 6-2 301 North Carolina State  (ranked 74th)

3 70 Youboty, Ashton CB 6-0 188 Ohio State (ranked 44th)

Whitner is a very good player, BUT he would of been on the board in the middle of the round say... where the EAGLES picked. Its no secret the Eagles wanted to trade up. I don't care if they got a bag of chips and a sammich to swap picks, you take it. My guess is Philly would of gave up a 3rd and 5th to move up to that spot.  THe bills could of packaged up a deal and moved out of the 3rd into the second and landed Winston or Jimmy Williams.

McCargo's BEST placement in a mock draft was middle 3rd round. Though the spent way to much to move up in the draft to nab a guy no one wanteed for the next 2 rounds!!! Probably a good player, but... value? no.

Youboty is an excellent pick. But I would of LOVED to see the Bills move up and grab a good OT prospect. Secondary isn't THAT much of a concern with Clements and McGee... Vincent and Whitner. Its a solid bunch.

I grade them out: D+  Players that will contribute I am sure, but the value SUCKS.  Maybe they will be standouts, I don;t know, but the bottom line is they didn't get value for where they picked... and that is why most my friends are

:bag:   right now.
RUMOR has it the Eagles were willing to part with the 14th and their 2nd rounder to move up to 8th for Bunkley. No idea if this is a real data point or not, but it was discussed on Philly radio late last night.
That would be approximately "chart" value for the 1st round swap. If that was the offer, the Bills are idiots for passing it up. There's an excellent chance they would have gotten the exact same guy they ended up with, plus another 2nd rounder, which they desperately need.

 
Hester was on the phone about to be selected with the Titans at 45 when the went LenDale instead so I don't know how taking him at 57 was a reach. Clearly the guy was on other teams boards an hour earlier. The only reason people hate the Bears draft is that they didn't follow the "script". I'm not a believer in grading drafts until these kids actually play. The Bears return game was atrocious last year, and a far more glaring weakness than a pass catching TE. Who knows if Hester will pan out, but he will play right away on special teams and has the potential to either be a speed DB to match up against the fast smurf WRs that are becoming the rage or be one himself. Even if limited in college, when he did touch the ball he did damage.
where has that been reported about Hester possibly going to the Titans? If so, that would have been an even worse pick.I don't care about whether the Bears followed a script or not. Devin Hester is very unlikely to ever be anything more than a special teams player in the NFL. I agree the return game was one of the biggest weaknesses for the Bears last year, but I thought they addressed that when the took Manning. It certainly doesn't hurt to add a guy like Hester, who could become one of the best return men in the league...but I still think he could have been had at least a full round or two later. Heck, the Bears could have waited and drafted a guy like Jeremy Bloom on Day 2 if they wanted a WR/PR player for cheap.

These are just my opinions though. I hated the Mark Bradley pick last year too and he certainly looked good for awhile before the injury. The Bears have done a pretty good of drafting under Angelo (outside of the first round) so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

 
I'm not crazy about the Giants draft. Or the Cowboys.
I think the Giants drafted very well actually, looking long term. The team really has no gaping holes to fill - although DT is the closest you can get, unless they are planning on signing Bruckner or something we do not know.That said, they got a DE that will ensure their ends are top of the league for many years to come at good value, drafted the perfect complement for their offense in a gamebreaker moss and a good depth type LB for insurance in the third. Some potential upside with their two 4th rounders as well.

The initial reaction is to say the Giants didnt fill a hole, but when I took a step back and looked long term, by taking the best available player in Kiwi and then getting very good value with Moss, I think the Giants bettered there team not so much for next year, but for the next 5 - and that is how great teams are built, imo.

Would like to have seen Justice in the first, but obviously there are MAJOR concerns about him - and it is not as if he would have made an immediate impact in any case.

 
As bad a pick as Kiwi was in the first, that's as good a pick Moss was in the 2nd for the G-men. Wilkinson adds depth to the MLB spot and can't be any slower than Greisen was.

I listened to Accorsi talk about the "possibilities" that Kiwi brings them on the pass rush and I was like :confused: . He has that guy already in the form of Justin Tuck, who can also play the run. The Giants were in a great position to draft a CB, RB, or OT there and they wasted that pick, IMO.

I'm excited about what Moss can do in this offense. The one thing the Giants were missing was a healthy burner. Taylor and Carter can fly, but it doesn't mean anything if they are constantly on the IR.

Certainly not the best, but not the worst either . C.
While still a little mixed on Kiwi, if indeed he was the best player on the board, by far, with the upside of a guy that was top 10 material only a year ago, then I can live with it... again, no one else would have made a huge immediate impact at that point so building wisely for the future (and you need three DEs anyway, without talking about new schemes to get everyone on the field at the same time).The guy who the Giants rated by far the best guy at 25 was still there at 32 and trading down enabled them to pick up Moss.

My vote for worst draft is probably the Texans. The chance to get a Bush type player is so rare. To forgo that for anything less than a decent chance at an LT type (say 80%+ as good, which would be AWESOME) is a terrible blunder imo. Mario even came with some questions - not as if he is an absolute guarantee and I dont know why Houston acts as if he is.

 
I don't know what the Bills fans are worried about. The got arguably first round talent from their first four picks.

Puzzling they didn't address o-line earlier, but they really didn't do that bad.

 
Hester was on the phone about to be selected with the Titans at 45 when the went LenDale instead so I don't know how taking him at 57 was a reach. Clearly the guy was on other teams boards an hour earlier. The only reason people hate the Bears draft is that they didn't follow the "script". I'm not a believer in grading drafts until these kids actually play. The Bears return game was atrocious last year, and a far more glaring weakness than a pass catching TE. Who knows if Hester will pan out, but he will play right away on special teams and has the potential to either be a speed DB to match up against the fast smurf WRs that are becoming the rage or be one himself. Even if limited in college, when he did touch the ball he did damage.
where has that been reported about Hester possibly going to the Titans? If so, that would have been an even worse pick.I don't care about whether the Bears followed a script or not. Devin Hester is very unlikely to ever be anything more than a special teams player in the NFL. I agree the return game was one of the biggest weaknesses for the Bears last year, but I thought they addressed that when the took Manning. It certainly doesn't hurt to add a guy like Hester, who could become one of the best return men in the league...but I still think he could have been had at least a full round or two later. Heck, the Bears could have waited and drafted a guy like Jeremy Bloom on Day 2 if they wanted a WR/PR player for cheap.

These are just my opinions though. I hated the Mark Bradley pick last year too and he certainly looked good for awhile before the injury. The Bears have done a pretty good of drafting under Angelo (outside of the first round) so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here.
This is the way I'm looking at it. Every year I hate the Bears draft, and every year they get great talent. When they picked Tillman, we were all like "Who?", and he of course proceeded to get on local sports radio and be like "I went in the 30's?! I was thinking like 50, 60!!" Of course he turned out to be a pretty decent player for that range. I don't remember everyone getting all excited when the Bears took Briggs, he was considered a later pick than early 3rd, and here the guy is a pro bowler. Manning is very likely to steal Chris Harris' starting job, so maybe they don't want him to return. Maybe they see something in Hester that leads them to believe he CAN be a DB on the pro level. This team did afterall convert Azumah from RB with some success.

I'll wait until I see these guys play before I get bummed about another Bears draft.

 
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I don't know what the Bills fans are worried about. The got arguably first round talent from their first four picks.

Puzzling they didn't address o-line earlier, but they really didn't do that bad.
Vikings | Team had interest in moving up to No. 8

Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:50:12 -0700

Mark Gaughan, of the Buffalo News, reports the Minnesota Vikings expressed interest in trading with the Buffalo Bills for the No. 8 overall pick in the NFL Draft. The Bills did not feel they offered enough to accept the trade.
I wonder what the Vikings offer was and I wonder if Buffalo could have got Donte Whitner at 17.
 
where has that been reported about Hester possibly going to the Titans? If so, that would have been an even worse pick.
I believe Hester mentioned it when he was doing an interview on the Score.... I seem to remember hearing a portion of that interview...
 
I don't know what the Bills fans are worried about.  The got arguably first round talent from their first four picks.

Puzzling they didn't address o-line earlier, but they really didn't do that bad.
Vikings | Team had interest in moving up to No. 8

Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:50:12 -0700

Mark Gaughan, of the Buffalo News, reports the Minnesota Vikings expressed interest in trading with the Buffalo Bills for the No. 8 overall pick in the NFL Draft. The Bills did not feel they offered enough to accept the trade.
I wonder what the Vikings offer was and I wonder if Buffalo could have got Donte Whitner at 17.
NOWhitner would have gone to Detroit or Rams or Ravens - so would have been gone before either of the alleged trade partners.

Bills would have been left in limbo zone with both DTS gone as well as Whitner. Justice was left but obviously he was grossly overhyped by the talking heads as he dropped to round 2.

Bills needed a starter from this pick and Whitner or Huff was the guy.

 
Seattle--Their first round pick at DB is weak, the guy is slow and not very physical, a major reach.
Kelly Jennings was a 1st rounder on the majority of draft sites/services; and the additions of Jennings and Tapp were phenomenal considering they both serve as depth to an already stacked team. Seattle had one of the better drafts considering where they were picking in each round IMHO.
GS as always = :own3d:
 
I don't know what the Bills fans are worried about.  The got arguably first round talent from their first four picks.

Puzzling they didn't address o-line earlier, but they really didn't do that bad.
Vikings | Team had interest in moving up to No. 8

Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:50:12 -0700

Mark Gaughan, of the Buffalo News, reports the Minnesota Vikings expressed interest in trading with the Buffalo Bills for the No. 8 overall pick in the NFL Draft. The Bills did not feel they offered enough to accept the trade.
I wonder what the Vikings offer was and I wonder if Buffalo could have got Donte Whitner at 17.
NOWhitner would have gone to Detroit or Rams or Ravens - so would have been gone before either of the alleged trade partners.

Bills would have been left in limbo zone with both DTS gone as well as Whitner. Justice was left but obviously he was grossly overhyped by the talking heads as he dropped to round 2.

Bills needed a starter from this pick and Whitner or Huff was the guy.
This is totally misguided.The Bills are not a playoff team that is one specific player away from the super bowl. Theyre rebuilding. It would have been much better for this team to take the extra 2nd rounder from trading down and risk the (very remote) chance that Whitner would be gone than to take him at #8 overall. Even if Whitner were drafted ahead of them, they still would have gotten a quality starter at #15 or #17 or whatever. That's how you rebuild a team.

 
Hester was on the phone about to be selected with the Titans at 45 when the went LenDale instead so I don't know how taking him at 57 was a reach. Clearly the guy was on other teams boards an hour earlier. The only reason people hate the Bears draft is that they didn't follow the "script". I'm not a believer in grading drafts until these kids actually play. The Bears return game was atrocious last year, and a far more glaring weakness than a pass catching TE. Who knows if Hester will pan out, but he will play right away on special teams and has the potential to either be a speed DB to match up against the fast smurf WRs that are becoming the rage or be one himself. Even if limited in college, when he did touch the ball he did damage.
where has that been reported about Hester possibly going to the Titans? If so, that would have been an even worse pick.I don't care about whether the Bears followed a script or not. Devin Hester is very unlikely to ever be anything more than a special teams player in the NFL. I agree the return game was one of the biggest weaknesses for the Bears last year, but I thought they addressed that when the took Manning. It certainly doesn't hurt to add a guy like Hester, who could become one of the best return men in the league...but I still think he could have been had at least a full round or two later. Heck, the Bears could have waited and drafted a guy like Jeremy Bloom on Day 2 if they wanted a WR/PR player for cheap.

These are just my opinions though. I hated the Mark Bradley pick last year too and he certainly looked good for awhile before the injury. The Bears have done a pretty good of drafting under Angelo (outside of the first round) so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here.
This is the way I'm looking at it. Every year I hate the Bears draft, and every year they get great talent. When they picked Tillman, we were all like "Who?", and he of course proceeded to get on local sports radio and be like "I went in the 30's?! I was thinking like 50, 60!!" Of course he turned out to be a pretty decent player for that range. I don't remember everyone getting all excited when the Bears took Briggs, he was considered a later pick than early 3rd, and here the guy is a pro bowler. Manning is very likely to steal Chris Harris' starting job, so maybe they don't want him to return. Maybe they see something in Hester that leads them to believe he CAN be a DB on the pro level. This team did afterall convert Azumah from RB with some success.

I'll wait until I see these guys play before I get bummed about another Bears draft.
They did get a steal in Mark Anderson if they can bulk him up 20 pounds or so. He's a beast.
 
This is an embarrasing day for Buffalo Bills fans. :bag:
i think it is more of an embarassing day for people that think they are experts and hang on every word that comes out of the mouths of Kiper, Mortensen and Clayton.what i find even more funny is the number of people that day after day after day post on this board how much they can't stand ESPN and their pathetic on air talent.....and then on the day of the draft all of a sudden they are the crowned prince of NFL Draft knowledge.
I think Bills fans are over-reacting to the first two picks - they reached a bit for both players but they can both make an impact. The Bills mistake was not trading down and get value for their picks. Youboty and Simpson were great picks and made up for the first two. There's no doubt that the Bills secondary just got a huge injection of talent and they added solid guys to both sides of the lines. I give the Bills a C+ for the draft.
 
Hester was on the phone about to be selected with the Titans at 45 when the went LenDale instead so I don't know how taking him at 57 was a reach. Clearly the guy was on other teams boards an hour earlier. The only reason people hate the Bears draft is that they didn't follow the "script". I'm not a believer in grading drafts until these kids actually play. The Bears return game was atrocious last year, and a far more glaring weakness than a pass catching TE. Who knows if Hester will pan out, but he will play right away on special teams and has the potential to either be a speed DB to match up against the fast smurf WRs that are becoming the rage or be one himself. Even if limited in college, when he did touch the ball he did damage.

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where has that been reported about Hester possibly going to the Titans? If so, that would have been an even worse pick.I don't care about whether the Bears followed a script or not. Devin Hester is very unlikely to ever be anything more than a special teams player in the NFL. I agree the return game was one of the biggest weaknesses for the Bears last year, but I thought they addressed that when the took Manning. It certainly doesn't hurt to add a guy like Hester, who could become one of the best return men in the league...but I still think he could have been had at least a full round or two later. Heck, the Bears could have waited and drafted a guy like Jeremy Bloom on Day 2 if they wanted a WR/PR player for cheap.

These are just my opinions though. I hated the Mark Bradley pick last year too and he certainly looked good for awhile before the injury. The Bears have done a pretty good of drafting under Angelo (outside of the first round) so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

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According to a reliable source, the 5-10, 186-pound speed demon got teased with the most suspenseful telephone call of his life Saturday before the Tennessee Titans changed their minds about drafting Hester and chose talented but controversial USC running back LenDale White with the 45th pick.That left the Bears to select Hester at No. 57 roughly an hour later. They already had selected another defensive back and return specialist, Abilene Christian's Danieal Manning, at No. 42.

"Devin is a great player with his hands on the ball as a returner,'' Bears coach Lovie Smith said, "and he will do a good job at the corner position.''

http://bears.hosttown.com/index.php?showtopic=117699

Second or third post down.

I just don't think anybody is a reach per se, if you want a guy go get him. Clearly the Bears wanted Hester and maybe got nervous that other teams expressed interest earlier. Or it was a brilliant smokescreen by Hesters agent.

I actually was a fan of the Bradley pick last year for some of the same reasons, Bears need speed. Obviously the jury's still out on Mark, but he showed some flashes. Hoping Devin works out, but I don't think anyone can deny the guy is explosive.

 
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I'm not crazy about the Giants draft.  Or the Cowboys.

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The Cowboys couldn't have done worse if they tried....harder! Parcells has proven yet again that he can outsmart himself in more ways then scientists have discovered. To draft a TE in the second round, when top OT prospects are availabe, combined with drafting a DE in the 3rd round when the top OG prospect and a decent FS option in Max Jean Gilles and Ko Simpson respectively....special blind kids could have done better, and that's an insult to the mental disfigured!TE and DE were right at the top of "things we don't need". Parcells is an idiot and i'm going to be in need of actual remedies to this pain in my gut. Any old pats or jets fans around here with the secret to the cure for living with Tuna the Terrible?

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Screw parcells. What an abortion of a draft. Was 50/50 to renew season tickets. Now it's 10/90. Had the same seats since 1989. No more I think. Was going to ride it out to the new stadium to at least scalp the tix to the HP contingent, not worth it.
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Are your serious?????? :thumbdown: lol @ :rolleyes:
 
Bears and Bills were neck and neck after day 1...Bears blew them away today....what an awful draft.

Lions had one of the best Day 2s out there imho. Jon Scott and Matui were absolute steals and addressed the sorely needed OLine issues.

 
Not happy about the Titans's draft so far - too much risk.

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I think the Titans had one of the best. Getting Young and White is HUGE for them. QB and RB of the future back to back. If they can add a WR and some O-line help to the mix next year, they could have a nice offense for a long time.
 
As bad a pick as Kiwi was in the first, that's as good a pick Moss was in the 2nd for the G-men.  Wilkinson adds depth to the MLB spot and can't be any slower than Greisen was.

I listened to Accorsi talk about the "possibilities" that Kiwi brings them on the pass rush and I was like :confused: .  He has that guy already in the form of Justin Tuck, who can also play the run.   The Giants were in a great position to draft a CB, RB, or OT there and they wasted that pick, IMO.

I'm excited about what Moss can do in this offense.  The one thing the Giants were missing was a healthy burner.  Taylor and Carter can fly, but it doesn't mean anything if they are constantly on the IR.

Certainly not the best, but not the worst either .  C.

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While still a little mixed on Kiwi, if indeed he was the best player on the board, by far, with the upside of a guy that was top 10 material only a year ago, then I can live with it... again, no one else would have made a huge immediate impact at that point so building wisely for the future (and you need three DEs anyway, without talking about new schemes to get everyone on the field at the same time).The guy who the Giants rated by far the best guy at 25 was still there at 32 and trading down enabled them to pick up Moss.

My vote for worst draft is probably the Texans. The chance to get a Bush type player is so rare. To forgo that for anything less than a decent chance at an LT type (say 80%+ as good, which would be AWESOME) is a terrible blunder imo. Mario even came with some questions - not as if he is an absolute guarantee and I dont know why Houston acts as if he is.

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My biggest problem with the Kiwi pick is that it seemed unnecessary even as a future DE because we have Justin Tuck who looked pretty good in limited playing time last year. I think this pick looks like an indictment of Tuck as the future DE. The giants also had other needs at DT, CB and even LB. I just don't get picking a player at our deepest position even if Strahan is getting old.

 
Can Washington qualify as having a bad draft with only one first day pick?

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:yes: Because they gave up a lot (including a 2nd next year) to grab Rocky McIntosh.

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Washington has a relatively unique way about going about the use of draft picks. All other things being equal, they'd prefer to get players who are several years into their NFL career and who are therefore more predictable as prospective acquisitions than use the NFL draft which is a crap shoot, by and large. Combine that with the fact that they have a coaching staff that probably has the most job security in the league, and also has very good player evaluation abilities, and they're also willing to specifically target certain players rather than take a more passive "best player available" approach. This will often mean that they'll give up more value than the draft trade chart says is wise in order to get the guys they want. As a 'Skins fan you just have to remind yourself that you're not trying to impress guys like Mel Kiper whose favorite day of the year is draft day, not other days like the NFL playoffs, etc.

The proof is in the pudding. Despite not taking the supposedly "smart" draft day approach, the team has done this ever since Gibbs arrived (e.g., the Portis for Bailey and a 2nd rounder trade) and yet they've improved each year and have become more solid from top to bottom.

 
Seattle--Their first round pick at DB is weak, the guy is slow and not very physical, a major reach.

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Kelly Jennings and Daryl Tapp were both reaches. I'm not sure if Seattle did worse than Chicago, but it's close.
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I find this assessment inaccurate.At one time or another, Tapp schooled nearly all of the top tackles in this year's draft.

 
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1 8 Whitner, Donte SS 5-10 203 Ohio State (ranked 25th)

1 26 McCargo, John DT 6-2 301 North Carolina State  (ranked 74th)

3 70 Youboty, Ashton CB 6-0 188 Ohio State (ranked 44th)

Whitner is a very good player, BUT he would of been on the board in the middle of the round say... where the EAGLES picked. Its no secret the Eagles wanted to trade up. I don't care if they got a bag of chips and a sammich to swap picks, you take it. My guess is Philly would of gave up a 3rd and 5th to move up to that spot.  THe bills could of packaged up a deal and moved out of the 3rd into the second and landed Winston or Jimmy Williams.

McCargo's BEST placement in a mock draft was middle 3rd round. Though the spent way to much to move up in the draft to nab a guy no one wanteed for the next 2 rounds!!! Probably a good player, but... value? no.

Youboty is an excellent pick. But I would of LOVED to see the Bills move up and grab a good OT prospect. Secondary isn't THAT much of a concern with Clements and McGee... Vincent and Whitner. Its a solid bunch.

I grade them out: D+  Players that will contribute I am sure, but the value SUCKS.  Maybe they will be standouts, I don;t know, but the bottom line is they didn't get value for where they picked... and that is why most my friends are

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RUMOR has it the Eagles were willing to part with the 14th and their 2nd rounder to move up to 8th for Bunkley. No idea if this is a real data point or not, but it was discussed on Philly radio late last night.
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That would be approximately "chart" value for the 1st round swap. If that was the offer, the Bills are idiots for passing it up. There's an excellent chance they would have gotten the exact same guy they ended up with, plus another 2nd rounder, which they desperately need.

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Can you say Winston Justice??? That would of looked good protecting the blind side of Losnallcombe.

 
I'm not crazy about the Giants draft.  Or the Cowboys.

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The Cowboys couldn't have done worse if they tried....harder! Parcells has proven yet again that he can outsmart himself in more ways then scientists have discovered. To draft a TE in the second round, when top OT prospects are availabe, combined with drafting a DE in the 3rd round when the top OG prospect and a decent FS option in Max Jean Gilles and Ko Simpson respectively....special blind kids could have done better, and that's an insult to the mental disfigured!TE and DE were right at the top of "things we don't need". Parcells is an idiot and i'm going to be in need of actual remedies to this pain in my gut. Any old pats or jets fans around here with the secret to the cure for living with Tuna the Terrible?

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Screw parcells. What an abortion of a draft. Was 50/50 to renew season tickets. Now it's 10/90. Had the same seats since 1989. No more I think. Was going to ride it out to the new stadium to at least scalp the tix to the HP contingent, not worth it.
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If you don't renew them, let me know...When the Cowboys initially made the Fasano pick, I was not happy. One of my friends even said right before the pick, "They could take anything here except TE and I'll be happy." But the more I listened to why they supposedly took him, the less angry I was at the pick. Evidently Parcells thinks this team is a playoff team and close to competing, so he wanted to get a guy who could help now. He wants to run two TE sets more this year, and wanted a tight end who could both block and catch. Fasano was the only guy in the draft who was above average both blocking and catching, and using him and Witten in two TE sets means the defense has to account for both of them, especially in the red zone, not to mention TO on the outside. McNeil might have been the better long-term pick (he was available before they traded down), but with Fabini and Adams at tackle this year, he wouldn't have played much unless there was an injury or suckitude. So I guess we'll have to wait and see how it pans out...

 
Did the Bears draft Hester to just return kicks and run reverses? Because there's 0% chance of him playing corner in the NFL, and I highly doubt he's going to become a suitable receiver either.

That really stood out as an awful selection.
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I wonder if people still feel the same about the Bills' draft. They got two starting safeties (Whitner/Simpson) and maybe a starting CB and DT if they pan out (McCargo broke his foot, not sure why Youboty didn't play more).

2006Rd Sel# Player Pos. School1 8 Donte Whitner SS Ohio State1 26 John McCargo DT North Carolina State3 70 Ashton Youboty CB Ohio State4 105 Ko Simpson FS South Carolina5 134 Kyle Williams DT Louisiana State5 143 Brad Butler T Virginia6 178 Keith Ellison OLB Oregon State7 216 Terrance Pennington T New Mexico7 248 Aaron Merz C California
 
not sure why Youboty didn't play more).
IIRC - His mother died during camp so he lost time while he was getting that sorted out. Then I think he hurt his hamstring and lost more time. Started playing pretty well at the end of the season.I think that's how it went down anyway.The Bills draft was AWESOME. The also got a lot of playing time out of Ellison and Pennington started at RT most of the year.
 
IIRC, the Youboty pck was the one Tennessee gave for Henry. While I know Henry had a great year last season, I would have rather gone with Brown/White and had another decent corner.

 
I'm glad someone found this and brought it up. Everyone was so down one the Bills draft (including me) and looking back at it now it seemes as if it was actually a good draft.

1 8 Donte Whitner SS Ohio State

1 26 John McCargo DT North Carolina State

3 70 Ashton Youboty CB Ohio State

4 105 Ko Simpson FS South Carolina

5 134 Kyle Williams DT Louisiana State

5 143 Brad Butler T Virginia

6 178 Keith Ellison OLB Oregon State

7 216 Terrance Pennington T New Mexico

The bolded players had significant playing time last year or have a good chance of having significant playing time in '07. 7 out of 9 is not too shaby. I think Marv did an incredible job last year and I am excited to see what he does this year!

 

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