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Worst NFL offense this year? (1 Viewer)
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GregR
Footballguy
What about the addition of Blackmon and either possible growth of Gabbert, or being replaced with Henne?I agree they started pretty far behind everyone else, but I have a feeling Blackmon is such a big improvement over last year's pass catchers that his contribution will dwarf the drop off from MJD to Jennings.
GregR
Footballguy
What about the Jets? Offensive line woes, QB play perhaps not as bad as Arizona, but maybe not much better. And arguably worse skill position players than Arizona, particularly if Williams lives up to any of his potential. Though if they turn to Tebow they'll probably at least have an effective rushing game.
Abspara
Footballguy
The exact same could be said about the Jets, which I voted for in this poll. At least the Dolphins have a mediocre running game. The Jets don't even have that.
jurb26
Footballguy
We don't know the Jets have a mediocre running game yet. Do we?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yeah, I know preseason stats aren't the be all end all of the story, but the Jets are now approaching their 13th straight quarter without a TD. I'm not sure any team has ever gone the entire preseason without scoring a TD.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
The Rams somehow managed to only score 12 points/game last year (Dolphins racked up 20/game).
They've since lost Lloyd and are now hoping rookies from App St. and Wake Forest can add a spark.
Adding Jeff Fisher can't hurt, but he'll need his best ####-shiner.
Of course, I certainly don't doubt MIA's ability to find a way to be worse.
They've since lost Lloyd and are now hoping rookies from App St. and Wake Forest can add a spark.
Adding Jeff Fisher can't hurt, but he'll need his best ####-shiner.
Of course, I certainly don't doubt MIA's ability to find a way to be worse.
Ignoramus
Footballguy
Jags repeat. Why? Gabbert.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Yeah, I think the Jets are not as bad as advertised. they will be below average, but I don't see it being the trainwreck that some of these other clubs will be.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
And the Eagles 3rd string defense lets the Jets 3rs string offense finally put up a TD this preseason.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
they are in the running but I think Gabbert will improve and the additions of a new coach and Blackmon will make a difference...at least enough to make them not the worst.
jurb26
Footballguy
Or the Chiefs. Both will be top half IMO.
agree The Rex Ryan Circus takes the cake unless Tebow takes over as starter
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Dolphins are sexy but they will get some WR help along the way. Cleveland to me is still the bottom of the league. They should have come out with Luck or RGIII last year, a chance to really turn the franchise around and in the end all you ever heard was excuse after excuse about how they were locked out...meanwhile the Skins get their guy and Cleveland is supposed to feel righteous somehow that they didn't burn a few 1st rounders but they haven't exactly cashed in on many to this point.
GregR
Footballguy
Because I decided to grab 12 teams, and the Seahawks, Chiefs and 49ers were the 5th, 6th, and 7th worst offenses in the NFL last year. The only bottom 12 teams I left off the list were the Broncos and Bears, because of obvious major upgrades at QB over what they had last year.
Didn't the seahawks get a MAJOR upgrade to Tarvaris?
GregR
Footballguy
I don't see any reason yet to assume their gain is definitely on par with Tebow-> Manning or Caleb Hanie-> Jay Cutler that are the only teams I did move out of the list.And having them in the list really doesn't detract from the actual topic of the thread either way.
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
Cardinals...abysmal OL and serious questions at QB probably have Fitz rethinking his decision to resign
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I know they once again failed to score in the third preseason game, but once Wayne Hunter was replaced by Austin Howard the offensive line and the offense in general played much better.Other than one horrific throw against the NYG, and a few times in that same game where he held the ball too long Sanchez has not been as bad as advertised. He completed 70% of his passes this preseason and in the third game he attacked downfield with deep passes with success. He played without most of his top receivers all preseason as well (Holmes, Kerley and then Keller), and the rookie Hill showed some flashes of talent but also some of his rawnwess as well.When Tebow entered the game, they did not want to use him the way he will be used during the regular season and only allowed him to act as a tradional QB, and he looked really bad doing so.I think people really over-rate the preseason results sometimes without looking deeper. I'm sure I'm doing the same thing when I vote for Arizona as their o-line and QBs looked so bad the one game I watch them play taht I just don't see how they are not the easy answer here. However, once the regular season begins it may not be as bleak as it appeared to me.'Greg Russell said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Kansas City Cheifs with Priest Holmes and Trent Green failed to score a preseason TD through their first three games and went on to be the top offense in the NFL that season. The Jets have zero shot of being the top offense in the NFL this season, of course, but it shows that what we've seen means absolutely nothing.'GroveDiesel said:
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
The Chiefs got a half season from Cassell.80% of a season from Bowe.Baldwin has emerged to dethrone the existing WR2, so that ought to obviously be an upgrade.The old WR2 is still on the roster, which means WR3 will be an upgrade.McCluster is no longer needed as a Jack of All Trades, and will be a full time slot WR, which will be an upgrade.Their starting TE missed the whole season, and is back.Their #1, among-the-best-in-the-NFL RB missed the whole year, and is back.They added a #2 RB who is one year removed from Pro Bowl level play.You didn't think this merited maybe considering the possibility that the Chiefs may not be among the league's worst O's?I think they're a lot more likely to finish top 10 than anywhere near the bottom.
GregR
Footballguy
My only goal was to put together a big enough list that any team that might draw a vote for worst offense be included. So no, it didn't merit worrying about. Especially as 10% of people have actually voted for the Chiefs I see. While I don't think the Chiefs will be close to last, clearly they needed to be included as an option for people.But you're welcome to contribute to the thread topic. Who do you think will be the worst offense?
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Are you talking about just the first team? Because I just looked at the Chiefs from 2001 to 2004 and see multiple TDs in every season in the first 3 preseason games.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It was mentioned during the Sunday Night game broadcast. Maybe it was just the first team. Do you expect the Jets to play their second team offense much this season though?
GregR
Footballguy
Yes, I expect Tebow to play this season.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I couldn't just leave this alone, I had to go dig deeper. Looks like the SNF guys are wrong. Trent Green had a TD pass in preseason week 1 in 2001, 2003 and 2004. He had a TD pass in week 2 in 2002. So there weren't any seasons where the Chiefs' #1 offense didn't score a TD in the first 3 weeks of the preseason.
PatsFanCT
Footballguy
Sure we do. What did they do to improve it? Shonn Green is less than mediocre at best.
Banemorth
Footballguy
Santonio Holmes and Keller are better than any Miami player. That's why I went Dolphins.
EBF
Footballguy
Shonn Greene isn't that bad. He's a serviceable starter. What did he average last year? 4.1 YPC? That's fine.
The Jets aren't the worst offense in the NFL. They have some real weapons in Holmes and Keller. Hill could be interesting and Greene is adequate. They also have McKnight and Kerley, who could be useful.
Miami is far worse. All they have is Reggie Bush and a bunch of garbage.
St. Louis is also really bad, but I like a third year Bradford > a rookie Tannehill.
Miami is looking like the worst team in the NFL right now.
The Jets aren't the worst offense in the NFL. They have some real weapons in Holmes and Keller. Hill could be interesting and Greene is adequate. They also have McKnight and Kerley, who could be useful.
Miami is far worse. All they have is Reggie Bush and a bunch of garbage.
St. Louis is also really bad, but I like a third year Bradford > a rookie Tannehill.
Miami is looking like the worst team in the NFL right now.
What people need to understand is that Ireland is not working the FA pool for depth at this moment, he is looking for a starter. That is literally frightening if you are a Fin "phan"...lol @ "phan".
Ignoramus
Footballguy
I don't think Gabbert has improved, Malarkey isn't exactly an offensive guru and Blackmon is a rookie, plus their best player might be playing somewhere else this year.To be the champ you have to beat the champ.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
No MJD, Jax.
With MJD, Mia. Rookie QB and likely a revolving door of WR's, better hope they don't ruin Tannehill this year.
With MJD, Mia. Rookie QB and likely a revolving door of WR's, better hope they don't ruin Tannehill this year.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Yeah, but Lynch is leading the nfl in rushing. So we got that going for us!
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I think there is a real problem when you are judging an offense based almost exclusively on yards produced.
Detriot, for example, is leading the league in passing yards but as an NFL offense they aren't very good. Detriot has scored one first half TD in four games. They have been playing every game from behind and piling up yards late in games. It doesn't make them a good offense in my book. Vikings shut down their running game just using their front 7.
Detriot, for example, is leading the league in passing yards but as an NFL offense they aren't very good. Detriot has scored one first half TD in four games. They have been playing every game from behind and piling up yards late in games. It doesn't make them a good offense in my book. Vikings shut down their running game just using their front 7.
GregR
Footballguy
Depends on your purpose. It's better than points to tell how well an offense is moving the ball... sometimes teams get a lot of cheap points due to turnovers and the like. And if you want to predict the teams who may be underachieving in points but may do better in the future, yards would be a good measure.Or in this particular case, I made this poll to help test some of my thoughts on which teams would punt the most, by seeing which arguments I agreed with the most when someone else presented them. In which case total yards is a far better measure than is total points.
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