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Would this ever happen? McNabb to Minnesota or Chicago? (1 Viewer)

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eoMMan

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Think about it. Minnesota and Chicago both really need an upgrade at QB and McNabb has kind of worn out his welcome here in Philly. Kolb wouldn't be great in his first year as starter, but, honestly, I don't think he'd be that much of a downgrade to the way McNabb is currently playing. In return, maybe the Eagles could get some defensive help or maybe a return guy.

Thoughts?

 
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You meant 2008.. right??

Short of them dropping him he isn't going to one of those teams this year.

 
I dont think McNabb should be a starter in the NFL any more. Scrambling QBs lose a lot when they cant make plays with thier legs anymore.

 
phthalatemagic said:
eoMMan said:
McNabb has kind of worn out his welcome here in Philly.
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Really? I haven't heard about that. What do you mean?
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He's not playing well (definitely not near the level he should be with what he's getting paid), he's been hurt A LOT the past 5 years, the fans are booing him, his "black QB" comments, etc.It's really a combination of things and this team needs a fresh start.
 
I can't believe how apparent it is how much mobility Daunte and Donovan have lost. I know the ACL is a major injury, but both look like they're running through quicksand.

Some of the off balance and numerous into the ground throws look eerily similar to Steve McNair and the early signs of his decline. I do believe if you acquire McNabb you do need to be a ready-made playoff team because I don't believe he has more than 2-3 solid years left.

 
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I'll be surprised if McNabb is the starter in Philly next opening day. I was at the game the other night, and the fans definitely seem to be turning on him. Not that they don't do that to ANYONE in Philly. And not that they get to be GM, but he's definitely not thought of as the savior and leader of the team there.

I'd put my money on him playing in Chicago in 2008.

 
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PatrickT said:
Or Atlanta....
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Maybe.I was thinking Minny or Chicago because McNabb has connections there. He knows Childress when he was here in Philly and he is from the Chicago area.
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More wishful thinking on my part. I think he'd be a good fit for 1-2 years in that offense while the franchise guy, whoever that is, is prepared. Course, he'd be dead meat if we don't fix that o-line in '08.
 
eoMMan said:
Think about it. Minnesota and Chicago both really need an upgrade at QB and McNabb has kind of worn out his welcome here in Philly. Kolb wouldn't be great in his first year as starter, but, honestly, I don't think he'd be that much of a downgrade to the way McNabb is currently playing. In return, maybe the Eagles could get some defensive help or maybe a return guy.Thoughts?
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Let's hope so :thumbup:
 
i'm not as quick to jump off the McNabb wagon, and maybe i'm the only one left on it in philly, but i'm sure i have plenty of people from minnesota and chicago and the likes sitting with me, it's just too early, i've still been trying to trade for McNabb in my dynasty league, regardless of his situation next year...

i've seen all the games, i understand all the criticism, i don't think black QBs have it any worse, but i just can't give up on him just yet...think he still has a chance to win this thing with the right personnel moves in the offseason, and there is no one i'd rather see win it for philadelphia

 
McNabb will have to make major adjustments to his game if he wants to remain a top QB. Reid is not forcing him to do so, so I'm not sure if he'll ever get back to high-level play in Philly. He no longer has mobility, which he always relied on to buy time. He now has to make quick decisions and quick, accurate throws, and he's not done a particularly good job of doing either.

He's a massive upgrade from the likes of Grossman and T. Jackson. But until he improves his decision-making and accuracy, and has a coaching staff that is willing to work with him to do it, he's not going to carry any team very far.

 
If Philly deals McNabb the rest of the NFC East is going owe Philly fans a huge debt of gratitude we may never be able to re pay.

 
I'm starting to wonder whether McNabb is only two or three years behind McNair's career path.

How many more years do you seriously think McNabb has left in his career? The QB's who are playing until their late 30's and even early 40's either were not scrambling types (Marino), almost never missed games (Favre, Marino, Elway), or got a late start to their career and/or weren't the starter for significant periods of time (Gannon, Testaverde, Young), or some combination therein.

I think being a scrambling QB puts extra wear and tear on the body and the hits that a QB gets exposed to shortens their career and makes their later years less effective. We're seeing this with McNair in startling clarity; we've seen it with Brunell in recent years too.

 
redman said:
I'm starting to wonder whether McNabb is only two or three years behind McNair's career path. How many more years do you seriously think McNabb has left in his career? The QB's who are playing until their late 30's and even early 40's either were not scrambling types (Marino), almost never missed games (Favre, Marino, Elway), or got a late start to their career and/or weren't the starter for significant periods of time (Gannon, Testaverde, Young), or some combination therein. I think being a scrambling QB puts extra wear and tear on the body and the hits that a QB gets exposed to shortens their career and makes their later years less effective. We're seeing this with McNair in startling clarity; we've seen it with Brunell in recent years too.
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Absolutely. If he's smart he retires before he totally embarrasses himself like McNair is doing. At the same time here is Favre who looks like he can play another 3+ years. Impressive set of WR's, young up and coming OL and a coaching staff that has a clue.
 
As a Bears fan I don't want McNabb as my QB. I don't want a band-aid on a severed limb. I would love to have the '04 McNabb but no one seems to know where he went.

 
Not only does McNabb throw too many passes at his receivers feet.... he also has no touch whatsoever anymore on the deep ball. Not that he ever threw a consistantly good deep ball anyway.... but this year he's been brutal. When I watch him drop back and launch a ball down field, I can get up and grab a snack.... because I have 100% confidence it will come down 10 yards past the WR and I won't miss a great play. I've always been a huge supporter of McNabb, but i think it's time to move forward and see what the kid they drafted can do.... sooner rather than later. And the sad thing is, I think McNabb is still a MUCH better QB than McNair.

 
No mention of how bad Philly's oline is this year? I think much of Donovan's poor performance is due to not having any time to do much of anything and it is making him gunshy. I think a change of scenery and a running game would do wonders for him.

 
Statcruncher said:
As a Bears fan I don't want McNabb as my QB. I don't want a band-aid on a severed limb. I would love to have the '04 McNabb but no one seems to know where he went.
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As a Bears fan, I'd buy his plane ticket to Chicago. A bandaid would be much better than the salt we're throwing on our quarterback wound right now. At least McNabb could do something....I also don't think getting McNabb would preclude the Bears drafting a QB or getting a young guy to bring a long via free agency.

That being said, it would all depend on the price tag for McNabb. The OP mentioned getting "a return guy"... if that return guy is named Devin Hester, forget about it.

 
dornado said:
Statcruncher said:
As a Bears fan I don't want McNabb as my QB. I don't want a band-aid on a severed limb. I would love to have the '04 McNabb but no one seems to know where he went.
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As a Bears fan, I'd buy his plane ticket to Chicago. A bandaid would be much better than the salt we're throwing on our quarterback wound right now. At least McNabb could do something....I also don't think getting McNabb would preclude the Bears drafting a QB or getting a young guy to bring a long via free agency.

That being said, it would all depend on the price tag for McNabb. The OP mentioned getting "a return guy"... if that return guy is named Devin Hester, forget about it.
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LOL at trading Hester. No shot of that. The Eagles would probably take a 3rd, which I think is reasonable. Berrian, Olsen and Moose are much better than the dreck at WR that Philly has, so I think McNabb could turn things back around pretty quickly.

 
Deranged Hermit said:
dornado said:
Statcruncher said:
As a Bears fan I don't want McNabb as my QB. I don't want a band-aid on a severed limb. I would love to have the '04 McNabb but no one seems to know where he went.
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As a Bears fan, I'd buy his plane ticket to Chicago. A bandaid would be much better than the salt we're throwing on our quarterback wound right now. At least McNabb could do something....I also don't think getting McNabb would preclude the Bears drafting a QB or getting a young guy to bring a long via free agency.

That being said, it would all depend on the price tag for McNabb. The OP mentioned getting "a return guy"... if that return guy is named Devin Hester, forget about it.
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LOL at trading Hester. No shot of that. The Eagles would probably take a 3rd, which I think is reasonable. Berrian, Olsen and Moose are much better than the dreck at WR that Philly has, so I think McNabb could turn things back around pretty quickly.
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Sorry, but I would take Kevin Curtis, Reggie Brown and LJ Smith over that Chicago trio in a heartbeat.
 
Deranged Hermit said:
LOL at trading Hester. No shot of that. The Eagles would probably take a 3rd, which I think is reasonable.

Berrian, Olsen and Moose are much better than the dreck at WR that Philly has, so I think McNabb could turn things back around pretty quickly.
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What is moose? 50? He's got nothing left. I beleive he is part of the famous 1996 WR draft and they are all breaking down now including Harrison. Berrian is on notice from what I read.http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...bears-headlines

 
FunkyPlutos said:
Deranged Hermit said:
dornado said:
Statcruncher said:
As a Bears fan I don't want McNabb as my QB. I don't want a band-aid on a severed limb. I would love to have the '04 McNabb but no one seems to know where he went.
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As a Bears fan, I'd buy his plane ticket to Chicago. A bandaid would be much better than the salt we're throwing on our quarterback wound right now. At least McNabb could do something....I also don't think getting McNabb would preclude the Bears drafting a QB or getting a young guy to bring a long via free agency.

That being said, it would all depend on the price tag for McNabb. The OP mentioned getting "a return guy"... if that return guy is named Devin Hester, forget about it.
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LOL at trading Hester. No shot of that. The Eagles would probably take a 3rd, which I think is reasonable. Berrian, Olsen and Moose are much better than the dreck at WR that Philly has, so I think McNabb could turn things back around pretty quickly.
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Sorry, but I would take Kevin Curtis, Reggie Brown and LJ Smith over that Chicago trio in a heartbeat.
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Olsen will be much better than all 3 of those stiffs
 
I think he'll end up in Minny. He can come right in and run Childress's Offense and they have to realize that TJ is a DISASTER. They have Sidney Rice, who's better than Curtis or Brown and some guy named AD in the backfield with him to take the pressure off. I think Mcnabb can be succesfull behind the Minny O-line and handing off to AD 25 times per night.

If I was Minny, I'd give up a 3rd or 4th rounder for Mcnabb and draft his successor in the Draft somehwere.

 
Those of you who are writing about McNabb's demise are really not being objective. He has not been a world beater this year, as he was last year before the injury, but he is clearly still affected. We all know that it takes more than a full year to completely recover from ACL surgery.

Despite the injury and am average WR corps, he has a QB rating for the year of 86.3. That's not bad. Last Sunday he wasn't great, but even so he threw for 264 yards. It's not like he was Alex Smith, Vince Young, Philip Rivers bad. He just was not great and didn't help the team win.

PHI is losing because of a lot of reasons, and McNabb is not the reason. He just hasn't been able to overcome all of the other problems.

 
Philly fan. I want Mcnabb gone and to start the Kevin Kolb era. In this offense, this version of the west coast offense, you have to be accurate on short passes and make quick reads. Mcnabb can't do it. His ACL injury obviously got him off to a bad start, but now he simply can't read the field well and is making poor decisions. He may get better as his ACL heals, but I think Mcnabb was auditioning this year for next year, and he failed miserably. It's kind of like he has a 10%. He can work hard and bring his grade up to a 59%, but he can't pass for the year, since we aren't making the playoffs. Mcnabb probably still is better than some QB's out there (Bollinger, Holcomb, Tavaris Jackson, Alex Smith, Kyle Boller, Brian Griese, Steve Mcnair, Cleo Lemon) so some teams should want him. In a longer passing offense that is not WCO, he might be OK, especially if his knee heals even better.

 
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Those of you who are writing about McNabb's demise are really not being objective. He has not been a world beater this year, as he was last year before the injury, but he is clearly still affected. We all know that it takes more than a full year to completely recover from ACL surgery. Despite the injury and am average WR corps, he has a QB rating for the year of 86.3. That's not bad. Last Sunday he wasn't great, but even so he threw for 264 yards. It's not like he was Alex Smith, Vince Young, Philip Rivers bad. He just was not great and didn't help the team win.PHI is losing because of a lot of reasons, and McNabb is not the reason. He just hasn't been able to overcome all of the other problems.
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He had an 158.3 rating against the Lions, who were learning from a new defensive coordinator. That spiked his QB rating. In his 3 divisional games, he has yet to reach 75.0 and was in the low 60's for two of the games, I believe. The Eagles have only scored 20 points twice all year, and Mcnabb has been dreadful in the red zone.
 
redman said:
I'm starting to wonder whether McNabb is only two or three years behind McNair's career path. How many more years do you seriously think McNabb has left in his career? The QB's who are playing until their late 30's and even early 40's either were not scrambling types (Marino), almost never missed games (Favre, Marino, Elway), or got a late start to their career and/or weren't the starter for significant periods of time (Gannon, Testaverde, Young), or some combination therein. I think being a scrambling QB puts extra wear and tear on the body and the hits that a QB gets exposed to shortens their career and makes their later years less effective. We're seeing this with McNair in startling clarity; we've seen it with Brunell in recent years too.
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I agree completely. I think (as a lifelong Vikings fan) that we should pursue Quinn Gray in the off-season. I think he'll probably be cheaper than McStink, and while my opinion of Gray's ceiling might be higher than others, the production will be at least as good as what McNabb can produce. Gray also won't require the medicare funded cane/walker/wheelchair/motorized cart that would come along with the Don.
 
mcnabbmcnow said:
Philly fan. I want Mcnabb gone and to start the Kevin Kolb era. In this offense, this version of the west coast offense, you have to be accurate on short passes and make quick reads. Mcnabb can't do it. His ACL injury obviously got him off to a bad start, but now he simply can't read the field well and is making poor decisions. He may get better as his ACL heals, but I think Mcnabb was auditioning this year for next year, and he failed miserably. It's kind of like he has a 10%. He can work hard and bring his grade up to a 59%, but he can't pass for the year, since we aren't making the playoffs. Mcnabb probably still is better than some QB's out there (Bollinger, Holcomb, Tavaris Jackson, Alex Smith, Kyle Boller, Brian Griese, Steve Mcnair, Cleo Lemon) so some teams should want him. In a longer passing offense that is not WCO, he might be OK, especially if his knee heals even better.
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I don't disagree at all with your observations. I just wonder if this means a new user name for you. McNabbMcGoneMcNow? KKolbKNow?
 
Consider that teams can spend 20+ years looking for even a decent long-term solution at QB. The Cardinals have been looking for 20 years, since Lomax in the 80s. The Redskins have been looking for 20 years since Thiesmann in the 80s. Colts looked for 20 years before finding Manning. The Bears and Lions have been looking for stability at QB since at least the 1950s. The Buccaneers have never had a true franchise QB in team history. You could even argue the Jets have never had a franchise QB in their history since Namath didn't have an incredible career but just one incredible win in super bowl III.

McNabb is a franchise QB. That is an extremely rare commodity. You don't just dump one to another team. There's every reason to think the Eagles won't find a replacement until 2027, or 2057. The odds are far better that McNabb rebounds and plays better in future years than they are that the Eagles will find someone his equal. I'd live with the ups and downs and ride him into the ground, like the Pack is doing with Favre.

 
JaxBill said:
mcnabbmcnow said:
Philly fan. I want Mcnabb gone and to start the Kevin Kolb era. In this offense, this version of the west coast offense, you have to be accurate on short passes and make quick reads. Mcnabb can't do it. His ACL injury obviously got him off to a bad start, but now he simply can't read the field well and is making poor decisions. He may get better as his ACL heals, but I think Mcnabb was auditioning this year for next year, and he failed miserably. It's kind of like he has a 10%. He can work hard and bring his grade up to a 59%, but he can't pass for the year, since we aren't making the playoffs. Mcnabb probably still is better than some QB's out there (Bollinger, Holcomb, Tavaris Jackson, Alex Smith, Kyle Boller, Brian Griese, Steve Mcnair, Cleo Lemon) so some teams should want him. In a longer passing offense that is not WCO, he might be OK, especially if his knee heals even better.
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I don't disagree at all with your observations. I just wonder if this means a new user name for you. McNabbMcGoneMcNow? KKolbKNow?
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Can I change my username to McnabbMcnever?
 
Frawfog said:
Consider that teams can spend 20+ years looking for even a decent long-term solution at QB. The Cardinals have been looking for 20 years, since Lomax in the 80s. The Redskins have been looking for 20 years since Thiesmann in the 80s. Colts looked for 20 years before finding Manning. The Bears and Lions have been looking for stability at QB since at least the 1950s. The Buccaneers have never had a true franchise QB in team history. You could even argue the Jets have never had a franchise QB in their history since Namath didn't have an incredible career but just one incredible win in super bowl III.McNabb is a franchise QB. That is an extremely rare commodity. You don't just dump one to another team. There's every reason to think the Eagles won't find a replacement until 2027, or 2057. The odds are far better that McNabb rebounds and plays better in future years than they are that the Eagles will find someone his equal. I'd live with the ups and downs and ride him into the ground, like the Pack is doing with Favre.
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Mcnabb is not good enough to win a Super Bowl in this offense. PERIOD. Philly is beyond settling for 9-7 or 10-6 seasons, all they want is the Super Bowl. Mcnabb had his run, but it's over...he's not going to get us there, not in this offense in this city. So we might as well move on. He's not going to succeed in Philly. There are tons of teams who hold onto guys out of loyalty like Marino, Steve McNair, Brett Favre, etc..guys that are never going to get you to the next level.
 
As they said on 610 today ( this was the topic BTW) McNabb with one leg would be better than what they have in Chicago or Minnesota. My money is on Minny with with the familiarity with the HC and such.

 
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