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Would You Be In Favor Of This Law? (1 Viewer)

Ignoramus

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Would you be in favor of a law that compels the President and Vice President of the United States and any major-party candidates running for those offices to release their tax returns for the previous six years before they can appear on an election ballot?

Curious to hear why or why not.

 
Constitution doesn't require it. But it does require natural citizenship and we don't even confirm that. So, don't see much point in this idea. 
Sorry, are you making the argument that if a law is not enforced there's no point to it? Or something else?

 
No.

I think the average American is so ignorant of tax law that it wouldn't do any good at all.

And for the record, I think Trump is a buffoon.

 
Would you be in favor of a law that compels the President and Vice President of the United States and any major-party candidates running for those offices to release their tax returns for the previous six years before they can appear on an election ballot?

Curious to hear why or why not.
No.  I think releasing tax returns is sort of an odd thing to do.  People who run for president already get two years of public vetting -- and a lot of good that did us this time around -- so I don't see much value added in prying into their personal affairs even further.

 
In the particular case of Donald Trump, I'm genuinely baffled by the obsession some folks seem to have over his tax returns.  The guy openly brags about sexually assaulting women, has no grasp whatsoever of domestic policy, is already humiliating us among foreign leaders, deliberately stokes racist sentiments, and is at least a little unhinged if not outright insane.  But you're thinking what, that if he took advantage of carry-forward provisions that that is going to be the thing that finally brings him down?  Seems delusional.

 
In the particular case of Donald Trump, I'm genuinely baffled by the obsession some folks seem to have over his tax returns.  The guy openly brags about sexually assaulting women, has no grasp whatsoever of domestic policy, is already humiliating us among foreign leaders, deliberately stokes racist sentiments, and is at least a little unhinged if not outright insane.  But you're thinking what, that if he took advantage of carry-forward provisions that that is going to be the thing that finally brings him down?  Seems delusional.
I think that if this law were in effect there would never have been a Candidate Trump and probably not a Candidate Clinton. I'm looking ahead here.

I also believe the entire exercise is a demonstration of transparency and openness to better help us choose our leaders.

 
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I don't have a problem with it - you run for the highest position in the country you have to prove you are beyond reproach in every facet of your life.

:lmao:  sorry, I couldn't say that with a straight face.  I will say that in theory that's what I think would be ideal but that shipped sailed a LONG time ago and this election cycle we decided to blow the ship up.

 
I don't know when or why someone decided this was the thing to do. I have no issue with candidates being audited after they declare, but letting everyone see their taxes seems odd to me. 

 
I don't know when or why someone decided this was the thing to do.
Because we once had a President who was being audited while embroiled in another scandal.

Thus Richard Nixon released all of his tax returns since he had become President, with the famous quote: 

"People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I am not a crook."

Since 1973, every president and virtually every presidential candidate (see link in my previous post) has released tax returns, except for Gerald Ford, who instead made public a decade's worth of summary data about his federal taxes.

One of the reasons that Richard Nixon released his returns was that people were saying, 'Hey, how can we trust the IRS to investigate this guy honestly and fairly when he's their boss?'"

Will Trump's refusal to release his tax returns reverse this 45 year tradition? It may. 

 
In the particular case of Donald Trump, I'm genuinely baffled by the obsession some folks seem to have over his tax returns.  The guy openly brags about sexually assaulting women, has no grasp whatsoever of domestic policy, is already humiliating us among foreign leaders, deliberately stokes racist sentiments, and is at least a little unhinged if not outright insane.  But you're thinking what, that if he took advantage of carry-forward provisions that that is going to be the thing that finally brings him down?  Seems delusional.
Brought Al Capone down.  Maybe there's such a fear of the IRS, that people feel they would be the great equalizer. 

 
Would you be in favor of a law that compels the President and Vice President of the United States and any major-party candidates running for those offices to release their tax returns for the previous six years before they can appear on an election ballot?

Curious to hear why or why not.
Interesting this isn't a poll.

What is Ignoramus trying to hide??

 
Brought Al Capone down.  Maybe there's such a fear of the IRS, that people feel they would be the great equalizer. 
Whether a candidate releases his tax returns has nothing to do with whether the IRS can audit them.  I am assuming that Trump has been audited a bunch of times -- that would be pretty normal for somebody in his financial situation.

 
Seeing is believing.  Seeing an actual crime "on paper" is a lot easier to digest than trying to connect a bunch of dots, like all of these Russian connections.

:shrug:  

 
FTR, the President and Vice President are audited every year. But in the past, an audit has not precluded other candidates or Presidents from publishing their returns.

All ambassadors and cabinet employees are required to file financial disclosure forms which include but go well beyond tax returns. Curiously, no such requirement for the highest office.

 
Yes, absolutely, or the parties should require it for any nominees.

The reason is transparency and giving the people the ability to know to at least some degree who their top two leaders are in business with.

 
Liberals need to know how much non liberals pay in taxes. That is all. 
No, that is not all. For me that's probably the least insightful part of the tax return. I do think that knowing what percentage of their income people pay (especially "public servants") serves to highlight the flaws in our tax code that allow someone like Warren Buffett to pay a lower tax rate than his secretary, for example.

Sources of income and ties to foreign banking tell me a lot more about what direction someone may lean when faced with a decision that may be a conflict between our Country and that person's own self-interests.

 
No, that is not all. For me that's probably the least insightful part of the tax return. I do think that knowing what percentage of their income people pay (especially "public servants") serves to highlight the flaws in our tax code that allow someone like Warren Buffett to pay a lower tax rate than his secretary, for example.

Sources of income and ties to foreign banking tell me a lot more about what direction someone may lean when faced with a decision that may be a conflict between our Country and that person's own self-interests.
I think it's safe to assume, when push comes to shove, people will more than likely put themselves before anything/anyone else, especially when it comes to finances.  I don't need tax returns to tell me that.  I already know that our tax code is ###### and that loopholes abound.  Reading a candidate's tax returns isn't going to make that a new revelation.

I simply don't understand the desire to know about candidates taxes.....never have.

 
Yes. Why? Because I have a functioning brain. 

I don't think people care as much as you think about effective tax rates and charitable deductions and crap like that. Especially if it was routine for this kind of thing to happen. I do think people care about sources of income and other things that might be in there. 

 
No, it's not other people's business to know how much money one makes OR how much they fleece the IRS. 

Edit:  If you choose to release them, that's fine by me, but you should never be forced to release private tax documents about your income.  

 
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I think they should not only release their taxes but also provide even more comprehensive financial disclosures, with documentation available publicly (account numbers and other sensitive details could be redacted).

Regular people who are seeking Top Secret security clearance have to do that. Why wouldn't somebody who is applying for the job of Commander in Chief have to do the same? 

 
Would you be in favor of a law that compels the President and Vice President of the United States and any major-party candidates running for those offices to release their tax returns for the previous six years before they can appear on an election ballot?

Curious to hear why or why not.
Nope.   If the IRS isn't doing their job, f them.

 
I think they should not only release their taxes but also provide even more comprehensive financial disclosures, with documentation available publicly (account numbers and other sensitive details could be redacted).

Regular people who are seeking Top Secret security clearance have to do that. Why wouldn't somebody who is applying for the job of Commander in Chief have to do the same? 
I didn't have to submit that for security clearance.

 
I've pointed out before that if you apply to work for the US Census you need to tell them if you have any outstanding federal tax debt.  

But apparently you don't have to disclose information like this to be POTUS?

 
I didn't have to submit that for security clearance.
I would have sworn that an SSBI required detailed financial disclosures, but after looking it up, I see that the only financial piece that is clearly required is a Credit Check.

You still have to provide all that stuff to get a simple bank loan. I don't think requiring it to be Commander in Chief and POTUS is a stretch.

Transparency is a good thing. It also would be a benefit to candidates, in that it decreases the scope for opponents to use negative innuendo about finances and related matters against the candidates.

 
I would have sworn that an SSBI required detailed financial disclosures, but after looking it up, I see that the only financial piece that is clearly required is a Credit Check.

You still have to provide all that stuff to get a simple bank loan. I don't think requiring it to be Commander in Chief and POTUS is a stretch.

Transparency is a good thing. It also would be a benefit to candidates, in that it decreases the scope for opponents to use negative innuendo about finances and related matters against the candidates.
You have to provide that for a simple bank loan because they are loaning you money, not to determine whether or not you're qualified to lead.

If we applied what you're suggesting about true transparency, we wouldn't find electable people.  To me, this is akin to saying you need to own land, or have a job to vote.

 
You have to provide that for a simple bank loan because they are loaning you money, not to determine whether or not you're qualified to lead.

If we applied what you're suggesting about true transparency, we wouldn't find electable people.  To me, this is akin to saying you need to own land, or have a job to vote.
Our electable people wouldn't be slime balls knowing they would get caught 

 
You have to provide that for a simple bank loan because they are loaning you money, not to determine whether or not you're qualified to lead.

If we applied what you're suggesting about true transparency, we wouldn't find electable people.  To me, this is akin to saying you need to own land, or have a job to vote.
Disagree.

 
Or, contrarily, we would only get people who were willing to share every single detail of their lives.  i.e. people who haven't been successful at anything.

I don't think you and I agree on much.   But I appreciate your viewpoint.
I'm confused. Are you saying all employees in the IC were unsuccessful people prior to joining? 

 
I don't know when or why someone decided this was the thing to do. I have no issue with candidates being audited after they declare, but letting everyone see their taxes seems odd to me. 
That's a good idea though....keep the info private, public just knows they passed the audit or not

 
Would you be in favor of a law that compels the President and Vice President of the United States and any major-party candidates running for those offices to release their tax returns for the previous six years before they can appear on an election ballot?

Curious to hear why or why not.
I would never vote for someone who didn't release their tax returns because I consider transparency part of the job.  But this is a free country to each their own.

 

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