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Would you have R.Wayne and M.Harrison on the same team? (1 Viewer)

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ghemd

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I have R.Wayne protected as a 2nd round pick in a 14 team PPR (2 keeper)League. I also have Maroney as a 6th rounder. I am considering taking Harrison with the 10th pick in the first round. The best RB available is likely to be Caddy Williams. What do you think about Wayne and Harrison together this year?

 
Heck, I'd take Ocho Cinco and Housh on the same team. The Harrison/Wayne combo would be a slam dunk.

Third place would be Boldin/Fitzgerald.

 
BoomBoom said:
If Manning went down you might be in a little bit of trouble.
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No jinx meant here, but...What are the chances of him getting hurt, if you put a % to it?Is it a higher or lower % then Palmer AND Bulger going down (CJ and Holt)?It may actually be lower.
 
Back in the day, I owned Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell to glorious results.

Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce (in his prime) are a duo I would have loved to have owned as well...

 
Kit Fisto said:
Back in the day, I owned Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell to glorious results.Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce (in his prime) are a duo I would have loved to have owned as well...
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I owned Holt and Bruce in a keeper league throughout their entire run of concurrent greatness. It was indeed great. But there is a psychological price to pay. Whenever you're watching a game, they'll cut to a highlight. You'll see Manning dropping back on the opponents' 20-yard line or so. You'll be loving life, basking in your genius, pitying all those Wayne-only and Harrison-only owners who are on the edge of their seats right now sweating it out. On those rare occasions when Anthony Gonzalez or Dallas Clark happens to be on the other end of that highlight, it will take all your will power to keep from going on a murderous rampage. When I owned Bruce and Holt, Ricky Proehl probably caught 3 TDs per year, but it seemed like 12, because each of them was so very painful and unjust.
 
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Let see...

I've had Rice & Taylor.

I've had MCGee and Brown.

I've had Ellard & Anderson.

I've had Reed & Lofton.

I've had Smith & McCardell.

All worked very well.

I would gladly take Harrison & Wayne.

 
Doug Drinen said:
Kit Fisto said:
Back in the day, I owned Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell to glorious results.Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce (in his prime) are a duo I would have loved to have owned as well...
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I owned Holt and Bruce in a keeper league throughout their entire run of concurrent greatness. It was indeed great. But there is a psychological price to pay.
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I saw that combo several times by opposing teams over recent years and each time it was very potent.
 
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Andy Dufresne said:
Heck, I'd take Ocho Cinco and Housh on the same team. The Harrison/Wayne combo would be a slam dunk.

Third place would be Boldin/Fitzgerald.
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I did this last year in a PPR and the two averaged almost 17 pts each per game. I'd do it again too. With Cincy being such a passing teams it gets exciting to watch every time Palmer drops back.
 
Doug Drinen said:
Kit Fisto said:
Back in the day, I owned Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell to glorious results.Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce (in his prime) are a duo I would have loved to have owned as well...
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I owned Holt and Bruce in a keeper league throughout their entire run of concurrent greatness. It was indeed great. But there is a psychological price to pay. Whenever you're watching a game, they'll cut to a highlight. You'll see Manning dropping back on the opponents' 20-yard line or so. You'll be loving life, basking in your genius, pitying all those Wayne-only and Harrison-only owners who are on the edge of their seats right now sweating it out. On those rare occasions when Anthony Gonzalez or Dallas Clark happens to be on the other end of that highlight, it will take all your will power to keep from going on a murderous rampage. When I owned Bruce and Holt, Ricky Proehl probably caught 3 TDs per year, but it seemed like 12, because each of them was so very painful and unjust.
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What I worry about is both with the same buy week and potential compounding of bad games. ie Baltimore week 14
 
i posed a smilar question to a leaguemate today. i think the essence of the question is would the combo provide more or less consistency. i would think it would provide more consistency but i dont know the answer.

and lets push it further. in a redraft you could take Addai in the first, Harrison in the 2nd and wayne possibly in the 3rd. how about vinatieri later on..

im having trouble identifying the downsides, other than what if peyton gets hurt and having to cover one horrible bye week.

so is it shark or guppy to put all of your eggs in a high powered basket?

 
ghemd said:
Doug Drinen said:
Kit Fisto said:
Back in the day, I owned Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell to glorious results.

Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce (in his prime) are a duo I would have loved to have owned as well...
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I owned Holt and Bruce in a keeper league throughout their entire run of concurrent greatness. It was indeed great. But there is a psychological price to pay. Whenever you're watching a game, they'll cut to a highlight. You'll see Manning dropping back on the opponents' 20-yard line or so. You'll be loving life, basking in your genius, pitying all those Wayne-only and Harrison-only owners who are on the edge of their seats right now sweating it out. On those rare occasions when Anthony Gonzalez or Dallas Clark happens to be on the other end of that highlight, it will take all your will power to keep from going on a murderous rampage.

When I owned Bruce and Holt, Ricky Proehl probably caught 3 TDs per year, but it seemed like 12, because each of them was so very painful and unjust.
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What I worry about is both with the same buy week and potential compounding of bad games. ie Baltimore week 14
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You'll find faaaaar more good weeks as opposed to bad. Especially with those two.
 
fo shizzle said:
i posed a smilar question to a leaguemate today. i think the essence of the question is would the combo provide more or less consistency. i would think it would provide more consistency but i dont know the answer.and lets push it further. in a redraft you could take Addai in the first, Harrison in the 2nd and wayne possibly in the 3rd. how about vinatieri later on..im having trouble identifying the downsides, other than what if peyton gets hurt and having to cover one horrible bye week.so is it shark or guppy to put all of your eggs in a high powered basket?
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All your eggs (QB/RB/WR/K) in one basket? Yeah, that's pushing it.
 
Kit Fisto said:
fo shizzle said:
i posed a smilar question to a leaguemate today. i think the essence of the question is would the combo provide more or less consistency. i would think it would provide more consistency but i dont know the answer.and lets push it further. in a redraft you could take Addai in the first, Harrison in the 2nd and wayne possibly in the 3rd. how about vinatieri later on..im having trouble identifying the downsides, other than what if peyton gets hurt and having to cover one horrible bye week.so is it shark or guppy to put all of your eggs in a high powered basket?
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All your eggs (QB/RB/WR/K) in one basket? Yeah, that's pushing it.
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really? explain why. where do you have the corresponding players ranked?
 
Yep, and I'd take Manning too. FF is all about the points. Doesn't matter if the guys getting the points are on the same team or different teams.

 
What about this scenario: I have Manning and plan to obtain Harrison at our auction next week. I was contemplating offering the Reggie Wayne owner Chad Johnson right before the auction. Johnson and Wayne have the exact same salary, so cap would not be an issue. I could trot out all 3 Indy passing weapons. Would anyone here do this, or not? Just curious.

 
If you have a chance to get Chad Johnson I would get him (draft or trade Harrison). That way you have Manning and Palmer throwing to your two top receivers, and you've hedged yourself against either team having a bad week, or Manning getting hurt.

While I would certainly take Harrison and Wayne, my preference would be to hedge my bets with a receiver that's just as good.

 
What about the IND bye week? You'd really be hurting then. Probably should avoid for that reason although they are both top players.

 
Drinen wrote maybe my favorite/most informative article a few years back on this subject. Basically the conclusion was that you are better off having two great WRs on the same team vs. two great WRs on different teams.

You will end up with more consistent scoring week-to-week -- which is great results to get from FF's most inconsistent position.

I might be in a position to get Chad & Housh and would absolutely be thrilled. The bye week would obviously suck when you go this route, but IMO its a small price to pay if you can get solid scoring week-to-week.

 
just did a ten-team redraft live this past weekend

dude picked LT and then at the 2-3 turn before he even picked i just whispered to myself that we could all be playing for second place as i looked at the undrafted WR sticker list ...

yep "I'll take Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne"

game ... set ... match

:boxing:

 
a guy i my longest running keeper league had Rod Smith/McCaffrey for several years in a row

 
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ghemd said:
I have R.Wayne protected as a 2nd round pick in a 14 team PPR (2 keeper)League. I also have Maroney as a 6th rounder. I am considering taking Harrison with the 10th pick in the first round. The best RB available is likely to be Caddy Williams. What do you think about Wayne and Harrison together this year?
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I won a title with them last year (they bailed my team out in the week 15 game vs Cincinnati) so I'm partial to this tandem. I don't think I'd try to with CJ and Housh, but I'd start these two again. All quarterbacks are vulnerable, but Manning is as safe to play 16 games as they come.
 
i had manning/harrison/wayne last year. i was a lock to get 60-75 from just those 3. needless to say, i ran away with that league.

 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Mighty Ducks said:
What about the IND bye week? You'd really be hurting then. Probably should avoid for that reason although they are both top players.
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Why would that matter? Is it a one-and-done league? So you might lose a game. You get them for all the others, right?
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Agreed, I keep trying to line up my best players with the same bye week. I'd gladly take one bad week to make the five others better. Besides, the real goal is to get to the playoffs with the highest seed you can get. Ain't no byes once you get there (assuming the team isn't in a position to sit players). Sure it's neat if you win every game in the regular season, but that's not where the money is...regards
 
ghemd said:
Doug Drinen said:
Kit Fisto said:
Back in the day, I owned Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell to glorious results.Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce (in his prime) are a duo I would have loved to have owned as well...
Click to expand...
I owned Holt and Bruce in a keeper league throughout their entire run of concurrent greatness. It was indeed great. But there is a psychological price to pay. Whenever you're watching a game, they'll cut to a highlight. You'll see Manning dropping back on the opponents' 20-yard line or so. You'll be loving life, basking in your genius, pitying all those Wayne-only and Harrison-only owners who are on the edge of their seats right now sweating it out. On those rare occasions when Anthony Gonzalez or Dallas Clark happens to be on the other end of that highlight, it will take all your will power to keep from going on a murderous rampage. When I owned Bruce and Holt, Ricky Proehl probably caught 3 TDs per year, but it seemed like 12, because each of them was so very painful and unjust.
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What I worry about is both with the same buy week and potential compounding of bad games. ie Baltimore week 14
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Baltimore is a very good run D but not that good against the pass. Palmer consistently burns McAllister deep and their CB2 is now old and lost a step (ex Titan - forget his name)....you can pass on Balt and in fact you have to because of their run Dfor eg - the great Charlie Frye threw for 298 yds/1 td against balt in wk 3 last year
 
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Peyton had a bad game against Baltimore in the playoffs last season. But he usually does decent against the Ravens. I wouldn't sweat that too much.

 
Sweetness_34 said:
Baltimore is a very good run D but not that good against the pass. Palmer consistently burns McAllister deep and their CB2 is now old and lost a step (ex Titan - forget his name)....you can pass on Balt and in fact you have to because of their run D
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Samari Rolle?
 
To answer the original question: If I was able to snag both Harrison and Wayne I would probably go happy to the bank around New Year's (I play mostly in PPR leagues and I could not dream of getting them both).

 
Doug Drinen said:
Whenever you're watching a game, they'll cut to a highlight. You'll see Manning dropping back on the opponents' 20-yard line or so. You'll be loving life, basking in your genius, pitying all those Wayne-only and Harrison-only owners who are on the edge of their seats right now sweating it out. On those rare occasions when Anthony Gonzalez or Dallas Clark happens to be on the other end of that highlight, it will take all your will power to keep from going on a murderous rampage.
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:lmao:This is SO true.
 
I have Harrison, Wayne and Ocho Cinco as my 3 WRs, not be design but I think i'll live. To make matters worse Peyton is my #1 QB. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, I'm a Patriots fan. :wall:

 
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Keith Lewis said:
I have Harrison, Wayne and Ocho Cinco as my 3 WRs, not be design but I think i'll live. To make matters worse Peyton is my #1 QB. :) Oh yeah, I'm a Patriots fan. :whistle:
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See, now I like having players on my least favorite NFL teams. It's a psychological hedge. I, for example, disliked Parcells' Cowboys pretty strongly. In various leagues last year, I had Jones, Barber, Owens, and Witten. In most cases, if my teams did poorly, I at least got the consolation of a Dallas loss.
 
I was in a PPR league with a team who had both Boldin and Fitz in Fitz's second year. That worked out really nicely for him.

 
malachi said:
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Mighty Ducks said:
What about the IND bye week? You'd really be hurting then. Probably should avoid for that reason although they are both top players.
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Why would that matter? Is it a one-and-done league? So you might lose a game. You get them for all the others, right?
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Agreed, I keep trying to line up my best players with the same bye week. I'd gladly take one bad week to make the five others better. Besides, the real goal is to get to the playoffs with the highest seed you can get. Ain't no byes once you get there (assuming the team isn't in a position to sit players). Sure it's neat if you win every game in the regular season, but that's not where the money is...regards
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Thats true, except the season rarely unfolds the way you want it to. Say your 2-3 heading into week 6 with your INDY players on bye. Now that one loss is looming very large, possibly a real hurt to your playoff chances. Not a super strong reason to avoid 2 stars on the same team, but many times (ie: ALL the time) the season is different than the expectation in the preseason.

 
Let's update this a bit. Would you have Marshall and Jeffrey on the same team? Or Nelson and Cobb?

 
Mighty Ducks said:
malachi said:
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Mighty Ducks said:
What about the IND bye week? You'd really be hurting then. Probably should avoid for that reason although they are both top players.
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Why would that matter? Is it a one-and-done league? So you might lose a game. You get them for all the others, right?
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Agreed, I keep trying to line up my best players with the same bye week. I'd gladly take one bad week to make the five others better. Besides, the real goal is to get to the playoffs with the highest seed you can get. Ain't no byes once you get there (assuming the team isn't in a position to sit players). Sure it's neat if you win every game in the regular season, but that's not where the money is...regards
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Thats true, except the season rarely unfolds the way you want it to. Say your 2-3 heading into week 6 with your INDY players on bye. Now that one loss is looming very large, possibly a real hurt to your playoff chances. Not a super strong reason to avoid 2 stars on the same team, but many times (ie: ALL the time) the season is different than the expectation in the preseason.
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