littletank
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What a sad, sad QB.
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Finatic
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EBF
Footballguy
He's smart and he works hard, but he doesn't seem to have the "it" factor. Where are the big plays? Where are the big throws? When is he going to put some pressure on the defense?I was willing to cut him some slack in the past because he was young and inexperienced, but he's running out of excuses. If he doesn't show something this season, the team will start to look for other options.
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
I'm not ready to bury him completely after one horrible game, but you'd hope he would at least show some flashes. It seems like most of the best QBs in the league were able to play at a decent level by the time they had a year or two of starting experience under their belts.
FFdork
Footballguy
Holy moly is it overreaction city on these boards. I agree it's not a good night for Alex Smith, but he showed some nice improvement last year. I thought the play-calling tonight was absolutely uninspired. They also did a poor job against the Cardinals blitz. Plus he had a couple of dropped balls. Plus they didn't get Gore going, which sets the table. He still may suck, but I don't see how you conclude that based on tonight's game.
It does concern me that Norv moved on, but let's a least see 5-6 games. It does look like he is looking to run more this year, which will help his fantasy #s.
It does concern me that Norv moved on, but let's a least see 5-6 games. It does look like he is looking to run more this year, which will help his fantasy #s.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Jack Burton
Footballguy
Alex Smith is weak, he cant even throw a simple out. He will be David Carr version 2.0. Did the OC never hear of play action. That team looks completely lost on offense with no creativity. It blows me away that some are picking the 49ers to take the division away from the Hawks.1huskerfan
Footballguy
Isn't this his 3rd OC in 3 years as well? I thought Turner was only there one yr.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I continue to be amazed at how there are so many ignoramuses out there that will continue to point at Grossman's weaknesses without seeing how half the league has sucky QBs....not every team is fortunate to have sucked for a full decade so badly that they could get lucky and draft Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer after failing at the QB situation for a decade or more
Alex Smith is one of those QBs that stink but continues to get a free pass compared to Rex. And I can name a lot more: Leftwich, Culpepper, Huard/Croyle, Matt Leinart (he was awful tonight again), Losman (guys continue to be in love with this guy but I just do not see it on the football field), Mcnair (or Boller), Tavaris Jackson etc etc
Alex Smith is one of those QBs that stink but continues to get a free pass compared to Rex. And I can name a lot more: Leftwich, Culpepper, Huard/Croyle, Matt Leinart (he was awful tonight again), Losman (guys continue to be in love with this guy but I just do not see it on the football field), Mcnair (or Boller), Tavaris Jackson etc etc
az_prof
Footballguy
I don't disagree that some of these people have had a "free pass" as you say compared to Rex, but you go overboard. Leftwich? He has never been loved even by his own fans. Cpep? He has produced several years that Rex can only dream about. Huard/Croyle? Who is giving them any slack? Didn't we all agree that Croyle sucked royally even before he ever started one NFL regular season game? Matt Leinart? Yes. You have a point. He has much better receivers than Smith or Rex and has yet to produce to the ability of his receivers. But it is only the start of his second year. TJax? Here you reallly have me: he only just started his fourth game and most of the off season the Vikings got nothing but crap for sticking with him. I don't think anyone expects much from him except for loyal fans.So, after all of that you are left with Leinart, Smith, and Rex. Well, how many years have they played? The longer a QB plays and doesn't produce top numbers, the greater the criticism. Leinart is second year; Smith is third year, and Rex is what, fourth year? So, that about sums it up. I don't think it is a conspiracy against Rex, but he has been in the league long enough to show something and he hasn't done so on a consistent basis yet.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Count # of games played by each QB.....Rex did not play much his 1st 3 years.....sitting in meetings and holding clipboards does not help much in this league. Rex has not even played equivalent to 2 years yet. Oh, and here are some more starting QBs right now who continue to get free passes compared to Rex: Jason Campbell; Joey Harrington; Favre (he had a worse QB rating over last year compared to Rex....go look it up); Pennington (the guy just cannot throw anything other than intermediate dinks and dunks and it is clearly letting his team down); Hasselback (look at his #s last year - they were horrible on many occasions); Frye/Anderson
Every one of the QBs I mentioned in the previous post and above....they all deserve as much if not more criticism but you seldom see that.
1huskerfan
Footballguy
Rex is 5th year. He is also in a dream position for a young QB where he is basically just being asked not to give the game away (a la Trent Dilfer) whereas guys like Leinert and Smith need to make plays for their respective teams to win.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Again, count # of games played....that is less than 32 (equivalent to < 2 yrs).
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Despite the last minute comeback, I agree. Being on the west coast and having inherited him in Z30 I have been following closely. This is just homespun psychology, but I don't see good leadership skills. I don't see the fire you see in a kid like Cutler. And I don't care how smart he is, he comes across a little lost and unsure of himself on camera. I hate seeing that in a QB, because in a sense they are always on camera and need to have it together. Anyway, a few more wins like this and maybe something will click and he'll start getting it.
chinawildman
Footballguy
The SF really need to loosen the reins on Smith a little. Granted he made some very poor throws tonight, but when it counted and the pace got frantic he got the job done.
1huskerfan
Footballguy
YOu are right. He didn't really have a chance to improve those years he couldn't beat out guys like Kordell Stewart.
az_prof
Footballguy
Now I really know you are either high or you are Rex's agent. Can you really compare Harrington and say he has had "free pass"? Everyone bags on the guy, rightfully so. He sucks. Is there anyone on this board who disputes that? And Favre? I'll tell you what: when Rex has won a few superbowls and been the best QB in the league a half a dozen years, then he might get a free pass once in a while too. And Favre's first couple of years he threw a lot of INTs and I know the fans in WI were not happy about it and didn't give him a free pass.
As far as "total games": then why do you include Tjax? He has only played in four games. And I have to say it is more than just games--years do count. A guy matures and improves even if he isn't playing in the regular season games. If this is Rex's fifth year it is time for him to put up or shut up. Plain and simple.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
He was injured 2 years in a row (out for the year in his 2nd and 3rd years; once in preseason in the 3rd year though he returned to play in the playoff game against Carolina). In his rookie year, he was not given the reins until the last quarter of the year because **** Jauron was trying to save his job and went with Kordell.....nothing to do with Grossman's ability to beat out Kordell.
NinerK
Footballguy
Easy there, guy. Kinda hard to have a good game when Darrell Jackson is pulling up on his routes so as not to take a hit and the AZ D-Line is FAST. They set up shop back there with Smith.
NinerK
Footballguy
Vernon Davis and Frank Gore should be targeted on 85% of all pass plays. GB Battle, he brings it all the time; too bad we can't combine Battle's effort with Darrell Jackson's talent.... Not much help for Alex Smith.1huskerfan
Footballguy
They should trade for Dilfer.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Amen. This thread is the reason why I've soured so much on FF. The kid is the youngest starting QB in the league, just drove his team 85 yds for a last second win, and is getting BASHED on this board.
1huskerfan
Footballguy
Well, he's no Rex Grossman.Amen. This thread is the reason why I've soured so much on FF. The kid is the youngest starting QB in the league, just drove his team 85 yds for a last second win, and is getting BASHED on this board.
MSULions
Footballguy
And i continue to be amazed at how blind some posters are as a result of delusional homerism. 
5Rings
Lurker
I'm not a Smith fan, but unless you've played QB when your OL isn't even giving you time to finish your 5 step drop, there aint much most guys can do. We'll see this year. I honestly didn't think he had the last drive in him.
Blue-Kun
Footballguy
Thing with Alex Smith is you can see why people think he has real potential. He may of been relatively unimpressive in an admittedly ugly game, but in the 4th quarter engineered a game winning drive without any real help from Gore. He did the same thing last year in a number of games. If the kid could get it together on a consistent basis, he'll be fine.
Actually the biggest thing I thought you could take away from this game was I kept waiting for Smith to throw the game away like Leinart had come close to doing. Never did, a good sign.
Actually the biggest thing I thought you could take away from this game was I kept waiting for Smith to throw the game away like Leinart had come close to doing. Never did, a good sign.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
This is where you're wrong. You learn a ton in practice and scrimmages.
I was only able to watch the highlights, but it looked like he was showing some great mobility out there. Like others mentioned, looked like a lot of drops too. He's incredibly young and on his 3 OC in 3 years. Niners will definitely stick with him at least through next year.
faulkfan
Footballguy
Love the nicknameLove the Bears.Hate the GrossmanHe gets so much hate because he makes bad decisions, can't see over the line of scrimmage, and makes mitakes taht cost his team games. He had 6 good games at the beginning of last year, but other than that he looks lost and confused most of the time. Like I said, I love the Bears and I'm hoping for the best for Grossman, but he does very little to endear himself to the Chi-town faithful with his play.Some of the players you mentioned aren't really accurate comparisions either. McNair is siucky now IMHO, but he has a history of playing tough and being a solid QB. Tavaris Jackson has less time starting than Grossman so any "give him time" argument you want to make for grossman has to be applied even more so for Jackson.Leftwich is presently unemployed so apparently your opinion of him is held by others.Leinhart, Huard, and Croyle have less starting time than Grossman so see the Jackson comment.You certainly have the right to defend and apologize for Grossman, but as a Bear fan I would prefer to see wat Griese can do.As for Alex Smith. I look at him and I see a future average QB at best. His arm strength looks average. His decision making looks average. And his speed looks slightly above average. He doesn't appear to have any quality that would elad me to believe that he's tough as nails and will find a way to win it for you.I would also agree that the pass to Jackson was as good as you can throw it and that DJ just dropped it like he usually does. The only thing that may have helped, and I haven't watched the replay enough to sayfor sure, would have been if Smith would have throw it a little more to Jackson's right, away from the defender so he wouldn't have to try and catch it with the CB draped on his back, but he hit his WR in stride in the hands and that's all you can ask him to do.
Billy Pilgrim
Footballguy
Not every thread is about the Bears.
mdog1967
Footballguy
They are picking the division for 49rs cause the hawks suck.Alex Smith is weak, he cant even throw a simple out. He will be David Carr version 2.0. Did the OC never hear of play action. That team looks completely lost on offense with no creativity. It blows me away that some are picking the 49ers to take the division away from the Hawks.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
I thought Alex Smith showed a lot of poise on that last drive. He never panicked. You could see the maturity.
Last year, this would not have happened.
Last year, this would not have happened.
mdog1967
Footballguy
Wow EBF..Be patient, Smith did what he needed to do at the moment when it counted. Give a lot of credit to that Arizona defense, in fact give a lot of credit to both of those defense's. I expected great improvment from AZ and I was not dissapointed. They have a big D line and gave the 49rs fits last year. Smith had little time to throw and still managed to stand in there and attempt to deliver the ball downfield. There were more than one or two clunkers this sunday from QB's who are established, Bree's comes to mind and if you were from mars you would have thought that Bree's was a terrible QB. Smith in my opinion has that "it". The 49rs need to get a little more creative early in the games and not be so predictable. There were few early shots down field, Gore early then pass in the flat, then a little more Gore, pass in the flats etc. I thought the worst thing I saw last night was D-Jax pull up and let a ball go right by him. I had never known D-Jax to be full of chicken bleep so I hope this is just a one time thing. Well see what happens, the 49rs D is going to keep them in the game, and the O-Line will look better against many of the other teams they will face this year. But NORV TURNER staying in San Fran would have been nice...Last note - That was 80million dollars well spent in the secondary, no Cards WR over 22 yards receiving, letting EDGE get a nice game, well that needs to be fixed. If your the Rams or Sea Chickens you gotta be more than just a little concerned about the progress on the Defense with both of those teams last night.
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Aaronstory
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Alex Smith is (unfortunately) my starting QB in one dynasty league. That being said, while last night was one of the worst games I've ever seen played in the NFL and Smith looked horrible for 95% of the game, what I saw doesn't worry me for the long-term. What I saw last night was horrible O-line play, horrible play calling, nervousness, and just overall sloppy play. That kind of stuff can be fixed. Whether or not it will be remains to be seen, but he DOES have the physical talent to succeed and, watching that game-winning drive, he DOES have the poise to succeed. This isn't meant to be a glowing endorsement of his performance because overall it was atrocious last night, but to say he's done as an NFL QB is WAY premature and truthfully unwarranted.
NinerK
Footballguy
:( He had a good 50 yard throw into the endzone that was right on the money which Jackson dropped.
Jack Burton
Footballguy
Thanks for the insightful response.They are picking the division for 49rs cause the hawks suck.
Jack Burton
Footballguy
Every QB in the NFL can lob a football 50 yards, thats easy. Jeff Garcia can throw it 50 yards. Im talking about a ten yard out that has to lead a receiver and be on a rope without sinking and hitting the ground before it gets to the receiver. There is more to being a QB in the NFL than the fifty yard bomb. I cant tell the diff between Alex smith and Akili Smith.He had a good 50 yard throw into the endzone that was right on the money which Jackson dropped.
NinerK
Footballguy
Every QB in the NFL can lob a football 50 yards, thats easy. Jeff Garcia can throw it 50 yards. Im talking about a ten yard out that has to lead a receiver and be on a rope without sinking and hitting the ground before it gets to the receiver. There is more to being a QB in the NFL than the fifty yard bomb. I cant tell the diff between Alex smith and Akili Smith.
There's no point in continuing this conversation.Aaronstory
Footballguy
I can. One looks like #### all game and then wins it at the end (see: Arizona last night or Seattle last season)Every QB in the NFL can lob a football 50 yards, thats easy. Jeff Garcia can throw it 50 yards. Im talking about a ten yard out that has to lead a receiver and be on a rope without sinking and hitting the ground before it gets to the receiver. There is more to being a QB in the NFL than the fifty yard bomb. I cant tell the diff between Alex smith and Akili Smith.He had a good 50 yard throw into the endzone that was right on the money which Jackson dropped.
The other just looked like ####.
