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WR Allen Robinson (1 Viewer)

Rotoworld:

Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns will work out at Larry Fitzgerald's receivers camp this summer.

They won't be the only ones, as Fitzgerald annually hosts a number of receivers and quarterbacks from around the league. At the camp, receivers work on route running, agility, speed, and receiver-specific drills. It doesn't automatically translate to success, but it doesn't hurt learning from one of the game's best in Fitzgerald. Robinson's ADP has climbed a full round over the past month.

Source: ESPN.com
Jun 19 - 8:57 AM
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I just sent A Rob For a first next year, projected between 1.03 and 1.05...

So for the sake of argument let's say it's 1.04 that I got for him, is that good value?

I'm stacked with young WRs (Evans, Watkins, Hopkins, Adams, Floyd) and need picks to get RBs for next year when I'm going all in.

In our league RBs are overvalued so I can never trade for them only draft.

Thoughts?

 
BostonRob said:
I just sent A Rob For a first next year, projected between 1.03 and 1.05...

So for the sake of argument let's say it's 1.04 that I got for him, is that good value?

I'm stacked with young WRs (Evans, Watkins, Hopkins, Adams, Floyd) and need picks to get RBs for next year when I'm going all in.

In our league RBs are overvalued so I can never trade for them only draft.

Thoughts?
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Sounds like you have your league figured out pretty well and you have a good read on your team's strengths and that you realize by trading away from a position of depth at a position of strength to fill a weak position of need so it really doesn't harm your chances of winning but actually increases your shot to win.

The only thing I'd add is to try and target a team/owner who has a weak team whereby getting a good young WR would really help them out and increase their win total but not more than yours so you not only improve your chances of winning you also prevent other teams from getting easy layup wins against a weak team.

I like to make trades that are not simply about winning the trade but where they provide a real strategic advantage to both my team and the person I'm trading with so I will take a little bit of what looks like an initial hit in terms of value.

Per value of WR Allen Robinson. I thought Blackmon would be back the way they were talking him up a few months back but he's out of the picture clearing the way for A-Rob to claim the #1 spot so the value you would get is about right, maybe slightly in favor of anyone you'd deal with so you can pick and choose your trade partner and work in a strategic advantage. Just my :2cents:

 
Like your reasoning. It's always tricky trading for draft picks. "My victim" will now start ARob and he might make him better, lowering the value of the pick I'm getting...

In my excel sheet, A Rob is worth 1.04 so kind of a 50/50 trade, but it helps my team if I get a good RB with the pick.

I just fear I did he wrong thing, as ARob is starting to be really hyped up... What if he explodes... I'll cry backwards... :(

 
BostonRob said:
Like your reasoning. It's always tricky trading for draft picks. "My victim" will now start ARob and he might make him better, lowering the value of the pick I'm getting...

In my excel sheet, A Rob is worth 1.04 so kind of a 50/50 trade, but it helps my team if I get a good RB with the pick.

I just fear I did he wrong thing, as ARob is starting to be really hyped up... What if he explodes... I'll cry backwards... :(
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Screeeeeeeeeeeeachhhh slamming on the breaks and backing up.

I miss read your initial post. I thought you were dealing for a pick this season where you knew the exact value exchange. Future picks are ridiculously hard to predict value so any strategy goes out the window since A-Rob's value 'likely' will increase this year. Also this draft looks deep at RB with some potential studs at the top who could help out your team right now so I'd hold onto him if you are talking about trading him for a future pick.

 
Haha, daaang....

Just did the trade... :(

It is really hard to predict but the guy has a really Sucky team, no way making playoffs. Upside for it is #1 overall, but most likely 1.03 to 1.05

Hmm...tricky one tbh... I'm trying to collect a ton of picks, I really need to get a Gordon/Gurley next year, and I gotta plan for it now. Also, I hope to perhaps be able to flip the picks for other things, like a Foster/Forte/Lynch, basically pics is money or like gold I'm Dynasty, low risk in times of war ;)

I'm still afraid ARob will go apenuts... :(

 
It might be easier to project where an owner who consistently underperforms will wind up in next year's draft but when you add in trying to figure out what players will be available and the situations they land in... Really tough to project IMHO.

This year the draft is already in the books and we knew coming in that this RB draft class was deep. Who knows what your choices might be next year? The BPA when your pick comes up might even be another WR who grades out higher than any other prospect in next year's draft.

BTW I own WR Allen Robinson and like you I drafted WR Mike Evans so I own him and I also made a trade and drafted WR Brandin Cooks last year so I'm actually hoping A-Rob blows up but I'm not trading, I'm holding.

Had you not pulled the trigger then you could have cashed in on any potential upside and if he doesn't blow up it wouldn't hurt you as much. Basically the upside of your deal resides with the person you traded with since they hold the highest upside and they get it sooner and they potentially reap the added element of increasing their win total which drops the price they paid.

 
Rotoworld:

The Jaguars haven't had a 1,000-yard receiver since 2005.

That ties them with Oakland for the longest stretch between 1,000-yard seasons since free agency began in 1993. Certainly Jacksonville hasn't had much luck with receivers but it's a two-way street. Quarterback Blake Bortles will have to play better in 2015 if the Jaguars want to buck that trend. Allen Robinson has drawn rave reviews this offseason and is locked in as Jacksonville's top receiver. If he can stay healthy (last year he couldn't), 1,000 yards could be within his grasp.

Source: Florida Times Union
Jun 28 - 10:43 AM
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I wasn't high on A-Rob's value this offseason because they were pimping WR Justin Blackmon coming back but now that he's out of the picture and they cut Ace and the Jags signed TE Julius Thomas to create pressure in the RZ and opposite side of the field so they got rid of anyone who could challenge him as the #1 WR but may have opened some things up for him by signing a Pro Bowl TE threat to take heat off.

Robinson has got the size, he makes difficult catches in traffic and adjusts to the ball in flight.

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Big Cat Country @BigCatCountry

Bortles threw Robinson into traffic/contact quite often, relying on A-Rob's ability to secure the ball

5:27 PM - 29 Jun 2015

https://vine.co/v/eJPIYmYzVTE

Last season, A-Rob showed an ability to work the field like a veteran WR. Great adjustment here
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And he has great hands.

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Big Cat Country ‏@BigCatCountry Jul 15

With 1 drop in 76 targets, #Jaguars WR Allen Robinson could be a fantasy steal in 2015: http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2015/7/14/8962353/jacksonville-jaguars-2015-nfl-fantasy-football-predictions-julius-thomas-allen-robinson-t-j-yeldon …

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A-Rob is still only 21 years old entering his second season. I am not buying some of the hype and I'm not sure about his ceiling. I like his size and hands and all around ability other than lack of pure speed but he has good acceleration and elusiveness.

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https://vine.co/v/eJPTAutFYKP

Robinson isn't necessarily a burner, but his acceleration and elusiveness give him big play ability

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I think he has a high floor to be a safe/sound #2 WR and he might reach #2 fantasy status this year but I wasn't thinking #1 FF WR material. Maybe he can surprise me and show more but I am good if he turns into a solid #2 FF WR. And I have to confess that the reports coming out are encouraging.

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With chemistry established, 2015 could be a huge year for #5 and #15

 
Sophmore WR encore: three to outperform their ADP

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Allen Robinson, Jacksonville JaguarsOver the last few season, the Jaguars offense has not been the place to mine for fantasy gold. Since the decline and eventual departure of Maurice Jones-Drew, Jacksonville has not produced any major point scorers. In 2014, that will change with the emergence of Allen Robinson.

Last season, the Jaguars offense finished with the lowest point total in the league (249) and average 4.7 yards-per-play. Non-explosive and inefficient, it was hard to expect anything else from a unit that was comprised almost entirely of rookies, and Toby Gerhart. Quarterback Blake Bortles struggled to find a groove, and wore down with too much on his shoulders as a rookie behind a bad offensive line. A young quarterback surrounded by similar levels of inexperience in a poor offense can make for an uncomfortable situation for any rookie passer. However, during the early parts of the season, there was one thing that Bortles was comfortable doing, and that was throwing to Allen Robinson. Frequently in trouble on third down, Bortles' eyes would naturally float to his biggest wide receiver. In the weeks they played together, he threw to Allen Robinson 24 times on third down, which was ten targets more than the next highest receiver. The chemistry is evident on film, as is the trust Bortles has in Robinson.

Robinson averaged 8.1 targets per game in the 10 contests he participated in last season. If you extrapolate that for a 16-game season, he would have been thrown at 130 times, which would place him in the top-20 in terms of NFL receivers. That mark should be his floor in projections for the 2015 season; there is no real reason to assume Robinson will not be targeted at the same rate in his second season -- new addition Julius Thomas will siphon from the 66 targets divvied up to Marcedes Lewis and Clay Harbor, and pull from the 110 left behind by Cecil Shorts. If Bortles improves even one iota, then Robinson should be able to turn in an 80-catch season without even being hyper-efficient. In PPR leagues, that sort of safe floor is gold. Particularly in a receiver where a premium investment is not required.

Mike Evans and Odell Beckham headline the 2014 rookie crop due to their highlight-reel level plays. Allen Robinson did not provide us with many of those plays as a rookie. However, we know he is capable of impressive athletic feats. Much like a similar photo at Penn State, a picture of Allen Robinson showing off his 39-inch vertical jump at Jaguars' minicamp has made the offseason rounds. He does not have the deep speed of some of his peers, but he possess the ability to make plays in contested, and jump ball, situations. For a big man, Robinson separates from defenders very well in the short and intermediate areas of the field. Quietly, the big receiver displayed pristine route running and release technique as a rookie.

Presenting a reliable target early in-route for a young quarterback is essential, which is why the Jaguars' receiver will continue to see incredible volume as he progresses through his career.

Allen Robinson currently hovers around the WR30 draft spot, according to ADP data collected by MyFantasyLeague.com since May 15th. In our own NFL.com leagues, his ADP is the 147th player off the board in fantasy leagues; behind players like Percy Harvin, Cody Latimer and Dorial Green-Beckham. Those players may not even combine for the number of receptions Robinson will finish with, if healthy. Last year, the WR30 in PPR leagues was Rueben Randle, the owner of 71 catches for 938 yards and three scores. Robinson was on pace for a 77/877/3 line as a rookie, despite only playing 31.5 percent of the team's snaps in the first two weeks of the season. Meeting his ADP should be no problem, and exceeding it is well within reach. If the "Jaguars stink" theory causes him to drop into the very late rounds in your league, he could become one of those steals that turn into a league winner (a la Josh Gordon in 2013).
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jurb26 said:
Ilov80s said:
Lots of hype, maybe too much hype. I'm not sure he will be a value by late August.
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His value is already gone. It was a while ago. He's being drafted as WR24. Ahead of guys like DJax, Andre, Maclin & Floyd.
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I hadn't looked in awhile. Well, I'll pass then.
 
Ilov80s said:
jurb26 said:
Ilov80s said:
Lots of hype, maybe too much hype. I'm not sure he will be a value by late August.
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His value is already gone. It was a while ago. He's being drafted as WR24. Ahead of guys like DJax, Andre, Maclin & Floyd.
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I hadn't looked in awhile. Well, I'll pass then.
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I should note that is PPR ADP. The standard is a good bit lower. Still, I'll pass at that price, too.
 
Rotoworld:

Allen Robinson has "picked up where he left off" last season.

Robinson was on pace for 86-946-4 when he went down with a broken foot ahead of Week 11. He proceeded to prove his health in OTAs, dominating practices and drawing gushing reviews from coaches. Robinson isn't slowing down at camp, showing "fluidity as a route runner and is making the tough and routine catches look similarly easy." He won't come cheap as a sixth-round pick in fantasy drafts, but there's a lot of breakout appeal here if Blake Bortles can take a small step forward.

Source: Florida Times Union
Aug 4 - 1:08 PM
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jurb26 said:
Ilov80s said:
jurb26 said:
Ilov80s said:
Lots of hype, maybe too much hype. I'm not sure he will be a value by late August.
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His value is already gone. It was a while ago. He's being drafted as WR24. Ahead of guys like DJax, Andre, Maclin & Floyd.
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I hadn't looked in awhile. Well, I'll pass then.
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I should note that is PPR ADP. The standard is a good bit lower. Still, I'll pass at that price, too.
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He's not going before Andre Johnson is drafts I've seen. Here is the current MFL 10 ADP, after July 15th:

19. Keenan Allen (pick 49.05)

20. Andre Johnson (49.77)

21. Amari Cooper (51.7)

22. Golden Tate (53.13)

23. Sammy Watkins (55.27)

24. Martavis Bryant (55.69)

25. Allen Robinson (59.69)

26. Brandon Marshall (59.8)

27. Jarvis Landry (61.9)

28. DeSean Jackson (62.82)

29. Jeremy Maclin (63.08)

I think he's still decent value at that spot.

 
In my 16-Team Dynasty, with modified PPR, 20 man rosters plus 2 man practice squad, plus IR, I just traded Latavius Murray/3 years, for Allen Robinson/2 years, and other considerations. Superflex, must start 2 WR minimum. Loaded at RB but needed a starter-caliber WR as I was going into our relatively shallow Rookie/Free Agent Draft with a corps consisting of Roddy White, Colston, Stills, Wheaton, Davante Adams, James Jones and Jarrett Boykin.

If that helps anyone...

 
jurb26 said:
Ilov80s said:
jurb26 said:
Ilov80s said:
Lots of hype, maybe too much hype. I'm not sure he will be a value by late August.
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His value is already gone. It was a while ago. He's being drafted as WR24. Ahead of guys like DJax, Andre, Maclin & Floyd.
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I hadn't looked in awhile. Well, I'll pass then.
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I should note that is PPR ADP. The standard is a good bit lower. Still, I'll pass at that price, too.
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Looks like he actually has fallen during August. He is WR30 in standard and late 6th. That is reasonable IMO.

 
Some of the July startups he is going 3rd round. Well, just about all of the startups lately I have seen has him around that. Too high???

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Has Robinson climbed some more?

The Jax offense still concerns me.
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I like the guy, but feel he is mildly overrated in dynasty. DLF staff rankings have him at WR17. That's knocking on the door of elite territory. How much higher can he really go? I've been a fan for a while, but even I don't see him as a likely top 10 guy. It's possible. I just wouldn't bet on it.

I'm not rushing out to sell him, but I sent out some offers last week for players in the same dynasty ADP range who I covet more (Abdullah, K White). I would sell for that price or for a probable early-mid first. If I can't get that price, I'm content to keep him and see what happens.

 
I offered a random 1st for him and was denied. Just a fyi Can't give anymore than that because he plays with one of the worst QB in the league imo.

 
Milkman said:
I offered a random 1st for him and was denied. Just a fyi Can't give anymore than that because he plays with one of the worst QB in the league imo.
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RBM said:
Milkman said:
I offered a random 1st for him and was denied. Just a fyi Can't give anymore than that because he plays with one of the worst QB in the league imo.
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Think you're going to be way off on that.
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Yep. He looked pretty darn good slicing the Lions defense up when I was watching this preseason. First time I've ever really watched him for more than a couple throws.

Blake Bortles threw to 7 different receivers in his first 12 passes against the Lions, sustaining three near-perfect drives by distributing the weight of production between his newly-refined throwing mechanics and Greg Olson's offensive playbook. When Bortles' night ended one drive into the 3rd quarter, he left the game with some encouraging stats: 20/29, 245 yds, and 1 TD pass.

 
I couldn't pay what he was going for in our auction. But, I ended up snagging Hurns off waivers. Jurb noted in the preseason thread that Hurns just always seemed wide open. I agreed and think he may present some great value w Robinson getting all the attention. Bortles doesn't seem to lock on to any particular WR. I'm hoping Hurns to put up WR2 numbers early and then trade him as a package deal to upgrade elsewhere.

 
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