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Holy crap take it and runSo......1 point PPR, I was offered Amari Cooper straight up for AB. Thoughts on if I should accept or decline??
Holy crap take it and runSo......1 point PPR, I was offered Amari Cooper straight up for AB. Thoughts on if I should accept or decline??
Cooper is 25 and Brown is 31.Any particular reason(s)?
I still don't understand why people would think anything else matters.Translation: this guy is a complete idiot, but he's good at football so we are going to be publicly supportive of his idiocy in hopes that he wont become any more of a clubhouse cancer.
I would probably accept that offer.So......1 point PPR, I was offered Amari Cooper straight up for AB. Could keep going forward too.
Thoughts on if I should accept or decline??
Any reason(s) why or why not would be helpful, i.e. age, projected output in 2019, ability to play this year.
I am gonna play devil's advocate and say pass.So......1 point PPR, I was offered Amari Cooper straight up for AB. Could keep going forward too.
Thoughts on if I should accept or decline??
Any reason(s) why or why not would be helpful, i.e. age, projected output in 2019, ability to play this year.
If you knew right now that Brown will wear the new helmet and play week 1, would you still trade him away for Amari?I liked both the support Amari/support Brown posts in the thread.
That's actually a really tough trade, but Brown continually blowing up behavior-wise can't be of much comfort to his general managers.
I don't know. I think I would because his behavior pattern has been almost bizarre enough to where you have to legit worry about him being in the lineup for a host of disciplinary/self-imposed reasons. I like Cooper being WR1 in Dallas with Jerruh and the Southern vibe of Dallas (Big Twelve Country, but big college football culture at least) around him at all times. It's really unscientific, but I'd be risk averse in this case.If you knew right now that Brown will wear the new helmet and play week 1, would you still trade him away for Amari?
You are “spot on” with this comment!rockaction said:I liked both the support Amari/support Brown posts in the thread.
That's actually a really tough trade, but Brown continually blowing up behavior-wise can't be of much comfort to his general managers.
His situation is eerily similar to another complete nutcase diva - Terrell Owens. Owens played his entire career until the age of 31 (same as AB) with the same team. And guess how he did his next four years, playing for both Philly and Dallas? 48 more TD's added to his resume.rockaction said:I don't know. I think I would because his behavior pattern has been almost bizarre enough to where you have to legit worry about him being in the lineup for a host of disciplinary/self-imposed reasons. I like Cooper being WR1 in Dallas with Jerruh and the Southern vibe of Dallas (Big Twelve Country, but big college football culture at least) around him at all times. It's really unscientific, but I'd be risk averse in this case.
I mean, Brown might not suit up because he won't suit up, literally.
TO was awesome. I was always a fan until it became apparent that he just nuked locker rooms.I am, however, leaving out one stat I found - because it's devastating to my case...
In the 5 games in the past 4 yrs that AB played without Big Ben, he averaged 4.8 catches for 68.2 yards, and no TD's.
Ah, you think it's the reality show-type coverage, which is one of your pet peeves. I see, and it's a worthy point.Watching people fall for the NFL's Kardashian bait every time is truly frustrating/fascinating.
Whatever the reason, somehow pages of this thread and headlines on sports and news programs, are devoted some cokamamie stuff about his helmet preference.Ah, you think it's the reality show-type coverage, which is one of your pet peeves. I see, and it's a worthy point.
Don't forget, this guy was getting embroiled in legal controversies about females and assault last year, too. Public ones. Never a good thing.
He did fine with Landry Jones in his 2 starts - 13 catches for 230 yards. His Kryptonite was Michael Vick. Three games - 11 catches, 111 yardsTO was awesome. I was always a fan until it became apparent that he just nuked locker rooms.
I don't think your stats are too devastating. You have to look at
I don't think the Steelers had a real quality backup, and haven't for a while now.
- Sample size
- Backup quality
I was just going to post that those 5 games were with Landry Jones and an over-the-hill M. Vick. Jones is now out of the league and Carr is better than Vick was at that point in his career.He did fine with Landry Jones in his 2 starts - 13 catches for 230 yards. His Kryptonite was Michael Vick. Three games - 11 catches, 111 yards
Well, @robb said he made the trade, so for his sake, I hope it works out. But I do believe AB will outscore Amari in FF this year. AB is a lunatic, but he's a hard-working lunatic who will demand the ball, and will get his way. He is a headache for fantasy owners, but he's worth it.I was just going to post that those 5 games were with Landry Jones and an over-the-hill M. Vick. Jones is now out of the league and Carr is better than Vick was at that point in his career.
That would be silly.TheWinz said:If you knew right now that Brown will wear the new helmet and play week 1, would you still trade him away for Amari?
100 percent yes.TheWinz said:If you knew right now that Brown will wear the new helmet and play week 1, would you still trade him away for Amari?
Oh lordy.From Mike Silver of NFL.com on Friday -
“Brown, according to witnesses, typically glances at the screens of several tablets and his smart phone during meetings, distracting himself by engaging in activities which include perusing his bank accounts and ‘liking’ photos on Instagram.”
tough decision. Carr sucks. Brown is so good he will likely produce anyway.TheWinz said:If you knew right now that Brown will wear the new helmet and play week 1, would you still trade him away for Amari?
I don’t understand the “Carr sucks” narrative.tough decision. Carr sucks. Brown is so good he will likely produce anyway.
PFR Similar Players Through Year 5: Ken O’Brien, Jameis Winston, Blake Bortles, Jay Cutler, Jason Campbell, Marcus Mariota, David Carr
Except for Year 3 (QB9) he’s been a FF QB 15-20. When he signed his extension two years (5-$125M) they moved him past Andrew Luck as the then highest paid QB. Google “this dude sucks” and his picture comes up.
Best weapons he’s ever had. Could happen. 28 isn’t exactly ancient.Year 6 Age 28 breakout coming. Get him while he’s cheap, folks.
He's a bottom third QB in the league. He plays scared. He doesn't extend plays. He takes a lot of sacks. He makes bad decisions. Cooper's career looked dead until he got traded to the Cowboys. Then he looks like a stud with a middling QB there.I don’t understand the “Carr sucks” narrative.
He hasn’t achieved the level of success or consistency many had hoped for, but he’s also had no one to throw to, suffered a broken back (and played through it) and is still very young.
And even with all that, he's put up some decent numbers.
I think this is a weird place to start when considering ABs value.
theres a clear “chicken & the egg” thing here as well. Assuming health (mental / physical) wouldn’t having a top flight WR like Brown along side a sneaky good Tyrell Williams help Carr to not suck?
Carr may have underachieved, but I disagree that he sucks.
What? Cooper and Crabtree for most of it. As good or better than everyone except Winston.
compare the talent around the other players on that list. Who was Carr throwing to?
Arguably all of the QBs listed had far better weapons, and more consistency with coaching staff.
Also saying “except for year 3” is a lot like saying “if x player didn’t have that 78 yard TD run he woulda had a crappy day!”
and if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle. You can’t disregard Year 3 because he played that year & was good.
Jesus you’re making me defend Carr and I hate that.
• OL sucked, sacks happenHe's a bottom third QB in the league. He plays scared. He doesn't extend plays. He takes a lot of sacks. He makes bad decisions. Cooper's career looked dead until he got traded to the Cowboys. Then he looks like a stud with a middling QB there.
Antonio likes to get down field. Rothlisberger (and that o-line) could buy him the time to do it. Going to be a lot tougher for him now. Carr just isn't good at extending plays. Brown is going to be a WR2 this year on his pure talent alone. Assuming he plays.
Amari “king of drops” Cooper & diva Crabtree?What? Cooper and Crabtree for most of it. As good or better than everyone except Winston.
It's not? I guess your subjective comments have more purchase than mine.• OL sucked, sacks happen
• Amari Cooper dripped a ton of balls in Oakland, magically found his hands in Dallas. That’s Carr’s fault?
• “plays scared”? I’m not sure how you can quantify that - I’ve seen him play plenty & he didn’t look scared to me.
• Bad decisions happen when playing in a bad offense with a bad OC & with limited weapons who can’t catch the ball
he sure managed to make Cook a stud TE.
Not a Carr fan & not a Raiders fan, but this isn’t a quality evaluation.
My comments weren’t subjective.It's not? I guess your subjective comments have more purchase than mine.
I guess I will just have to rely on the empirical evidence then. Which has him as one of the worst Qb's in the league over the last three years.
Disagree on Crabtree he was a solid receiver for them. Amari did have a ton of drops but at this point Carr would be a surprise to turn into a QB that is top third in the league. I don't think he'll be anything more than average.Amari “king of drops” Cooper & diva Crabtree?
Cmon.
yes, they were. did Cooper drop some passes? sure. Is that meaningful objective criteria to evaluate Carr's overall performance over the last three years? not really. all QB's have receivers who drop passes.My comments weren’t subjective.
Amari Cooper dropped a lot of passes. Isn’t that a fact?
You seem to want to put that on Carr.
Carr was sacked a lot. While some of that is on the QB, much is also about the OL, no?
And you claim he plays “scared”. Are you pals with his psychologist? How are you quantifying that?
God I hate defending Carr. He’s not great. He could be better than he’s been. He’s shown flashes.
I don’t disagree.Disagree on Crabtree he was a solid receiver for them. Amari did have a ton of drops but at this point Carr would be a surprise to turn into a QB that is top third in the league. I don't think he'll be anything more than average.
I can agree with tentative.He fades away from pressure before pressure arrives. He checks the ball down at the first sight of heat. If you don’t like the term scared, try tentative. Yes, the Oline was bad last year, 51 sacks. How come he still sucked when they gave up 20 or 24 in a season?
Or Antonio brown will help him “suck” less by going up & getting balls, improving Carr’s completion % & TD totals.yes, they were. did Cooper drop some passes? sure. Is that meaningful objective criteria to evaluate Carr's overall performance over the last three years? not really. all QB's have receivers who drop passes.
The numbers don't lie. Carr sucks. Antonio is about to figure that out this year.
It's okay that we disagree.
I agree with you that he doesn't suck. His career is at a tipping point though imo. He either becomes a solid, but not spectacular QB or he's done. I don't see a scenario where he takes the next step.I don’t disagree.
but “average” means he’s better than 1/3 of the QBs or more.
average is different than “sucks”
and adding Tyrell Williams & AB could turn an average QB into an above average QB, right?
I think a lot of people would be thrilled with “solid but unspectacular”.I agree with you that he doesn't suck. His career is at a tipping point though imo. He either becomes a solid, but not spectacular QB or he's done. I don't see a scenario where he takes the next step.
AgreeI think a lot of people would be thrilled with “solid but unspectacular”.
I agree with you that he doesn't suck. His career is at a tipping point though imo. He either becomes a solid, but not spectacular QB or he's done. I don't see a scenario where he takes the next step.
Cincinnati and Andy Dalton probably isn't the best example of thisI think a lot of people would be thrilled with “solid but unspectacular”.
I think of a lot of things when I think of Andy Dalton. “Solid” isn’t what immediately comes to mind, though he’s not a bad comp to Carr.Cincinnati and Andy Dalton probably isn't the best example of this
TO was a generational talent. He produced everywhere he went (minor exception of the purgatory year in Buffalo). Didn't matter who was throwing him the ball. He made QB's.He did fine with Landry Jones in his 2 starts - 13 catches for 230 yards. His Kryptonite was Michael Vick. Three games - 11 catches, 111 yards
As for TO, I remember laughing as he was in his driveway, working out on his weight bench.
never drafted him. i watch a lot of football. BL's assessment is how I see it. Brown should help some, agreed.Or Antonio brown will help him “suck” less by going up & getting balls, improving Carr’s completion % & TD totals.
time will tell. I think Carr is slightly better than you give him credit for.
Makes me wonder what year you drafted him & got burned.
24Best weapons he’s ever had. Could happen. 28 isn’t exactly ancient.
How old was. Brady when he too over for Bledsoe? At 28 Brady threw 4000+ yards.