This is not a unique opinion, but the main issue I have with these types of predictions is that the assumption is that his known prior acts will be resolved without incident AND no more prior acts come out AND there are no more behavior or inappropriateness issues moving forward. IMO, the way things have gone, I am not sure items 2 and 3 are a given, even if item 1 came true. Bottom line, I don't think AB can just suddenly turn into a good soldier and turn over a whole new leaf because he needs to.
Unfortunately I think the biggest obstacle for him may be his inability to get out of the public eye and stay out of it. If he grasps that playing football this year isn't likely happening, disappears for the rest of the year and comes back next year able to fake some semblance of sanity, he likely gets a shot. It's an ugly truth but money may well address his prior acts. No idea how many cheques he would need to write or how big they would need to be but money hides a lot of shame.This is not a unique opinion, but the main issue I have with these types of predictions is that the assumption is that his known prior acts will be resolved without incident AND no more prior acts come out AND there are no more behavior or inappropriateness issues moving forward. IMO, the way things have gone, I am not sure items 2 and 3 are a given, even if item 1 came true. Bottom line, I don't think AB can just suddenly turn into a good soldier and turn over a whole new leaf because he needs to.
While that is a good strategy, I have a hard time believing that AB will "lay low" and stay out of the public's eye for a year. All he needed to do to play in NE was keep his mouth shut and not do anything other than play football . . . and he couldn't make it much past a week before he was up to his old tricks (texting and tweeting).Unfortunately I think the biggest obstacle for him may be his inability to get out of the public eye and stay out of it. If he grasps that playing football this year isn't likely happening, disappears for the rest of the year and comes back next year able to fake some semblance of sanity, he likely gets a shot. It's an ugly truth but money may well address his prior acts. No idea how many cheques he would need to write or how big they would need to be but money hides a lot of shame.
Yep. And if he would have behaved himself in Oakland he would have guaranteed money in his bank account too. The guys is off the rails and I am not sure there is anything that's going to get him back on.While that is a good strategy, I have a hard time believing that AB will "lay low" and stay out of the public's eye for a year. All he needed to do to play in NE was keep his mouth shut and not do anything other than play football . . . and he couldn't make it much past a week before he was up to his old tricks (texting and tweeting).
I doubt he will get exempted AND suspended. It would probably be one or the other. Big Ben had a civil suit filed against him and he played an entire season. He had a second incident and only got suspended.Drop in all seasonal formats. Period.
The NFL statement basically said "he's free to sign with any team, and we'll put him on the Exempt List him as soon as he does, until the investigation is complete."
So he's exempt as soon as he signs, until the investigation is done. Once it's done, then he gets handed a suspension. That suspension could be for both the alleged assault (4 games? 6?) plus the witness intimidation on top of that.
You're a lawyer. What kind of penalty do you think a judge would throw at someone who engages in witness intimidation on the eve of trial? Think it'll be light?
He's done for this season. If he gets signed in the off-season, he's probably looking at missing at least the first 8 games of next year. If anyone will sign him.
From a PR perspective, he's poison right now and no one will sign him. He needs to rehabilitate his public image to get a contract now. Or wait until the media circus dies down. He's going to have to do another round of Dancing with the Stars or have a series of sit-down cry sessions in the style of a Barbara Walters interview before he can be signed without the team that signs him getting murdered. Unless it's a team that is already dead to the public, like the Redskins.
That's not really true - one can engage in criminal activity and never get caught. Whether or not that makes him a criminal is just semantics.Yes you have it right.
I was just correcting the line "I would rather have a criminal..." Technically no one is a criminal until they are charged and convicted of a crime.
Which is why I said "technically"That's not really true - one can engage in criminal activity and never get caught. Whether or not that makes him a criminal is just semantics.
He's absolutely a criminal the moment he commits the crime. The word you're defining is convict.Which is why I said "technically"
So you wouldn’t consider some one that broke into a house, murdered the family living there and stole everything they could a criminal unless or until they were caught and tried and convicted?Which is why I said "technically"
At least until the legal stuff gets sorted out, yes. I'm just hoping the NFL doesn't intentionally leave this investigation lingering for months on end just to have an excuse to keep him out of the league and hope he's forgotten about. Which I fully expect them to do.I think he's too toxic for any team to sign and play him at this point. I just dropped him in redraft for Golden Tate.
Could very well happen. The exempt list isn't a punishment, and it doesn't replace the suspension. If the NFL doesn't want him in the limelight they can use the exempt list while things are cooling off and/or facts are still coming to light and then levy the punishment after that.I doubt he will get exempted AND suspended. It would probably be one or the other. Big Ben had a civil suit filed against him and he played an entire season. He had a second incident and only got suspended.
A team could sign AB and the league could do neither and the exempt option could have just been a scare tactic. When he was on NE, they did neither and let him play.
I think AB is toxic enough that teams won't look to sign him until the league finishes their investigation. No point paying him if a team might have to wait for the investigation to be completed anyway. I can't remember many times when players got both exempted and suspended. I believe the few times that happened, the player took them to court and won.
And again, all of this is contingent on Brown keeping his mouth shut . . . which hasn't happened much lately.
Isn’t that exactly what happened with Hunt? Or maybe they never put him on the exempt list because no team claimed him?Could very well happen. The exempt list isn't a punishment, and it doesn't replace the suspension. If the NFL doesn't want him in the limelight they can use the exempt list while things are cooling off and/or facts are still coming to light and then levy the punishment after that.
I think he was on it, then cut while he was on it so it became moot? Or if he was cut first, it was moot to put him on it.Isn’t that exactly what happened with Hunt? Or maybe they never put him on the exempt list because no team claimed him?
Hunt was exempted and cut. Then he signed and was exempted and later suspended.Isn’t that exactly what happened with Hunt? Or maybe they never put him on the exempt list because no team claimed him?
I would but technically everyone in this country is innocent until proven guilty.So you wouldn’t consider some one that broke into a house, murdered the family living there and stole everything they could a criminal unless or until they were caught and tried and convicted?
The DA said there was not enough evidence to prove that a crime was even committed.Ben is a criminal - everyone knows this, especially the DA who was practically in tears that he couldn’t press forward based on the evidence (or lack thereof) even though he knew what happened that night.
Clearly we are all getting AB fatigue, but even the intimidating text wasn't going to be investigated by the police and would not be a chargeable offense in Massachusetts. So nothing truly criminal there. Dumb? Shady? Absolutely. I go back to when this all started . . . so far AB has not been investigated by law enforcement to even be considered for a crime. The best thing the league could do is to cite him for conduct detrimental to the league . . . but all the other stuff doesn't have a lot of teeth and will set a pretty rocky precedent.OTOH, while they let him participate in everything with NE, that was all prior to tampering with the witness in the NFL's own investigation. That secondary act, attempting to obstruct the NFL's process, may be deserving of exemption that a "he-said-she-said" complaint alone didn't warrant.
While sexual harassment & assault cases are, sadly, frequent enough to have some guidelines for the league's reaction, I don't know if there's any precedent for intimidating a witness and trying to mess with the commissioner's investigation itself.
What the NFL does or doesn't do won't have any bearing on the civil action. And visa-versa.Clearly we are all getting AB fatigue, but even the intimidating text wasn't going to be investigated by the police and would not be a chargeable offense in Massachusetts. So nothing truly criminal there. Dumb? Shady? Absolutely. I go back to when this all started . . . so far AB has not been investigated by law enforcement to even be considered for a crime. The best thing the league could do is to cite him for conduct detrimental to the league . . . but all the other stuff doesn't have a lot of teeth and will set a pretty rocky precedent.
If the league investigates and takes action against Brown with regard to the civil suit allegation, that could cause Brown to lose the civil case and have him be found liable to have to pay her a big chunk of change. All her attorneys would need to do would be to say in court his own employer disciplined him over it. I am not sure we want the NFL investigating legal matters and having their decisions used as as a pendulum to swing court cases. And mind you, I never was on Brown's side . . . I only was on the the side of someone having to prove allegations.
Was the NFL even intending to interview the artist that received the harassing/intimidating texts?I get that the intimidation wasn't a criminal thing. I just think Roger will have a dim view of a player trying to sabotage the NFL's official investigation by threatening witnesses against him. I don't know what the precedent is for that, but the NFL can certainly police itself. The league can definitely take action against someone for doing something not criminal but still interfering with league operations. I think it might not matter that the action isn't technically criminal, the internal integrity of the commissioner's office and the league itself became an injured party.
Somebody needs to upgrade their pool cameras.sooooooooo, has the furniture being thrown into a pool / condo damage case been mentioned yet?
More Trouble.
This image appears on the left side of the page when I click that, so thank you.sooooooooo, has the furniture being thrown into a pool / condo damage case been mentioned yet?
More Trouble.
I think his troubles go a lot deeper than that. He sounds mentally ill.I wonder when or if Mr. Big Chest is ever going to come to the realization that he should have behaved himself instead of being a repeated jerk.
I think his troubles go a lot deeper than that. He sounds mentally ill.
Most contracts have a clause that states something along the lines "Failure to act does not constitute a waiver of rights under the contract..."I guess AB has a pretty good case to get his signing bonus from the Patriots. No way the Patriots can say they are not paying AB because he didn’t disclose the civil case against him. Even though AB didn’t disclose it, the civil case was made public right after the Patriots signed AB and they not only kept him on the team, they even let him play week 2. So the civil case is a non issue.
I think the issue is that he in know way views himself as a jerk. His world view is centered on himself. The concept of him being wrong is just beyond his comprehension. I doubt that changes.I wonder when or if Mr. Big Chest is ever going to come to the realization that he should have behaved himself instead of being a repeated jerk.
In the litany of crazy things about this entire situation, the craziest is how easily fixable it was.I wonder when or if Mr. Big Chest is ever going to come to the realization that he should have behaved himself instead of being a repeated jerk.
People that are mentally not right don't think rationally about themselves or their situations, really.In the litany of crazy things about this entire situation, the craziest is how easily fixable it was.
I'm sorry if I made people uncomfortable / I'm using this to grow as a person / I will cooperate fully with any investigation / duffel bags of money to accusers / NDAs / pay any outstanding bills / attend fake therapy sessions / televised Q&A with a sympathetic reporter / I want to thank the NFL and my teammates for standing by me during this time / Now I just want to concentrate on football and move forward with my life / shut up / play football / sign mega deal in the off-season
If he wanted to get totally nuts he could have worked with the Patriots to match his 7 figure contribution to a charity for women.
I really thought that was his latest angle, get diagnosed as bi-polar and blame everything on that. Then go on the tour being the spokesman for getting things right.People that are mentally not right don't think rationally about themselves or their situations, really.
There are some people who come from having very little and then when they finally make it, they go a little overboard with excess. AB clearly did some of that. Then when you add to it, people begin telling them they are the bee's knees, and they start taking more and more egregious liberties. AB had been SO good for so long that he literally ran completely unchecked and became a victim of his own success to the point his but can't cash the checks his ego has written.rockaction said:I think his troubles go a lot deeper than that. He sounds mentally ill.
Antonio Brown gets into war of words on Twitter with NFL Pro BowlerSoulfly3 said:check out @ab to see his twitter battle with other nfl players, specifically eric weddle.
this man is completely losing the plot. no... lost the plot. he is getting DESTROYED in his mentions.
Not to mention most of his mental energies these days are undoubtedly on his studies. Mid terms are only weeks away.People that are mentally not right don't think rationally about themselves or their situations, really.
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