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WR Brandin Cooks, BUF (7 Viewers)

Help me understand the workload here. Obviously, Graham is gonna catch a ton of balls. Stills is the guy for a few deep shots each game. Colston is ancient and Toon shouldn't be much of a factor. So that means that Cooks does everything Moore used to do, and then some. Is that about right? I'm concerned about ball distribution.

 
Help me understand the workload here. Obviously, Graham is gonna catch a ton of balls. Stills is the guy for a few deep shots each game. Colston is ancient and Toon shouldn't be much of a factor. So that means that Cooks does everything Moore used to do, and then some. Is that about right? I'm concerned about ball distribution.
I agree that it is a legitimate concern; however, I have also heard some analysts suggesting that Cooks will also see some of the passing targets that were vacated when Sproles left the team.

 
Help me understand the workload here. Obviously, Graham is gonna catch a ton of balls. Stills is the guy for a few deep shots each game. Colston is ancient and Toon shouldn't be much of a factor. So that means that Cooks does everything Moore used to do, and then some. Is that about right? I'm concerned about ball distribution.
I think he'll get the ball in every way imaginable. 2-3 carries, screens and a few deep balls each game.

 
Help me understand the workload here. Obviously, Graham is gonna catch a ton of balls. Stills is the guy for a few deep shots each game. Colston is ancient and Toon shouldn't be much of a factor. So that means that Cooks does everything Moore used to do, and then some. Is that about right? I'm concerned about ball distribution.
I agree that it is a legitimate concern; however, I have also heard some analysts suggesting that Cooks will also see some of the passing targets that were vacated when Sproles left the team.
What I found:

Drew Brees: Brandin Cooks will help fill Sproles' role Brandin Cooks vs. Darren Sproles: Why One Can't Replace Another
 
Help me understand the workload here. Obviously, Graham is gonna catch a ton of balls. Stills is the guy for a few deep shots each game. Colston is ancient and Toon shouldn't be much of a factor. So that means that Cooks does everything Moore used to do, and then some. Is that about right? I'm concerned about ball distribution.
I think it may prove to be a serious mistake to brush aside Colston's portion of the workload based on the one-off premise that "he's ancient." He's 31, and when healthy last year, was still very productive and a target mule.

You always wonder how healthy he'll be, but I think you're doing your projections a disservice if you imagine him for less than the ~14 games, 80 rec, and 1000 yds he seems to be able to put up on autopilot. He's always been more about size and body than speed and athleticism, so I don't see any reason to expect a decline this soon.

 
Help me understand the workload here. Obviously, Graham is gonna catch a ton of balls. Stills is the guy for a few deep shots each game. Colston is ancient and Toon shouldn't be much of a factor. So that means that Cooks does everything Moore used to do, and then some. Is that about right? I'm concerned about ball distribution.
what would you peg percy harvin's value at if he had gotten traded to the saints?

 
Help me understand the workload here. Obviously, Graham is gonna catch a ton of balls. Stills is the guy for a few deep shots each game. Colston is ancient and Toon shouldn't be much of a factor. So that means that Cooks does everything Moore used to do, and then some. Is that about right? I'm concerned about ball distribution.
what would you peg percy harvin's value at if he had gotten traded to the saints?
Not sure. I'd have to multiply his average touches per game x3.

 
Loving the Cooks chatter. He could be special. Lot's of touches to replace in Nawlins. I don't think I've ever had a receiver from them on my dynasty squad. Pretty excited to see what Cooks can do.

 
Xue said:
Did Cooks light him up? I read it is as he got lit up on the play, but not necessarily by Cooks.
Same.
So Cooks ran him over while carrying the ball? Nice.
No.

Welcome back. Haven't seen you around in a bit. Unless you've been posting as someone else recently.

 
Xue said:
Did Cooks light him up? I read it is as he got lit up on the play, but not necessarily by Cooks.
Same.
So Cooks ran him over while carrying the ball? Nice.
No.

Welcome back. Haven't seen you around in a bit. Unless you've been posting as someone else recently.
Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbLlCxK0pHY&t=1m15s

 
Brees was raving about him again tonight on Inside Training Camp on NFLN.

"You tell him something once and you don't need to tell him again."

"As good as he is on the field, he's an even nicer guy off the field."


Etc.

 
Brees was raving about him again tonight on Inside Training Camp on NFLN.

"You tell him something once and you don't need to tell him again."

"As good as he is on the field, he's an even nicer guy off the field."

Etc.
yeah, he's already bubbling up the boards in nice guy premium leagues

 
With Watkins already gone, I can see a scenario in which I draft him #2 over Evans.
The sharps draft him #1 ahead of Watkins. The situation is to good.

Saints offense

slot is all Cooks no competition

20 yo

Brees

can't double him

 
With Watkins already gone, I can see a scenario in which I draft him #2 over Evans.
The sharps draft him #1 ahead of Watkins. The situation is to good.

Saints offense

slot is all Cooks no competition

20 yo

Brees

can't double him
are they actually lining him up in the slot a lot in camp?

these guys move around, and they can use bunch sets, etc, but I would've expected more colston in the slot with cooks outside.

 
Brees was raving about him again tonight on Inside Training Camp on NFLN.

"You tell him something once and you don't need to tell him again."

"As good as he is on the field, he's an even nicer guy off the field."

Etc.
yeah, he's already bubbling up the boards in nice guy premium leagues
It speaks to his character/being a good teammate.
You can laugh. Try it.
I laugh when something is funny.

 
With Watkins already gone, I can see a scenario in which I draft him #2 over Evans.
The sharps draft him #1 ahead of Watkins. The situation is to good.Saints offense

slot is all Cooks no competition

20 yo

Brees

can't double him
are they actually lining him up in the slot a lot in camp?

these guys move around, and they can use bunch sets, etc, but I would've expected more colston in the slot with cooks outside.
Yeah you're right. They will put him in the slot but he's more of an OW. The point his he is going to be on the field a lot and it's a high volume passing offense with a bunch of vacant targets that it looks like are going to mostly go to Cooks.

 
MoveToSkypager said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
MoveToSkypager said:
Xue said:
Did Cooks light him up? I read it is as he got lit up on the play, but not necessarily by Cooks.
Same.
So Cooks ran him over while carrying the ball? Nice.
No.

Welcome back. Haven't seen you around in a bit. Unless you've been posting as someone else recently.
Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbLlCxK0pHY&t=1m15s
Sorry guys, was reading it too fast.

 
NFL training camp buzz: Brandin Cooks, Joe Flacco standing out

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000375068/article/nfl-training-camp-buzz-brandin-cooks-joe-flacco-standing-out

Excerpt:

New Orleans Saints camp: Yes, Cooks looks that good

WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W.Va. -- The notion that a rookie receiver can't come in and immediately play a starring role will be seriously challenged this season. In Buffalo. In Tampa. In Philadelphia. In Carolina. And judging by what has transpired at camp in White Sulphur Springs, in New Orleans.

Brandin Cooks entered the draft as a rare top prospect with no question marks. The 2013 Biletnikoff Award winner took just one pre-draft visit (New York Jets), because NFL teams figured what you see is what you get. And Sean Payton's Saints, looking to complete a youth-oriented remodeling of their receiving corps that began with the draft selections of Nick Toon and Kenny Stills, were so sure he was a sure thing that they traded up to snag him.

So, what exactly did they get? By my eyes, based on the intense practice I saw, the Saints landed a lightning bolt. And they already have a package of plays designed to unleash him.

When I watched, Cooks took a quick screen about 60 yards. He blew through the hash marks on a kickoff return, drawing ooohhhhs and ahhhhhhs from the crowd. He torched former first-round draft pick Patrick Robinson on a post-corner route, finishing the play off with a leaping touchdown catch.

Whew.

"When you're guarding a guy like that," cornerback Keenan Lewis told reporters a day later, "you've got to make sure that your shoes are very tight, because he will probably leave you out of your shoes."

Not that the Saints' aerial attack needed a ton of help -- they finished second in passing yards last year, after all -- but they got it. And by now, there's no doubt they know what they have in the 5-foot-10 Oregon State product.

Payton has not played into the enthusiasm, harping on the need for Cooks to simply learn his playbook. Cooks hasn't, either, relaying to reporters that teammates have told him, "Don't get complacent." Teammates have jumped on the hype train, though -- likely because they can't help it. Marquee free-agent acquisition Jairus Byrd called Cooks "mature beyond his years."

There are other sturdy young pieces of this offense, too. Left tackle Terron Armstead already has drawn praise from Saints great Willie Roaf. And second-year running back Khiry Robinson could be due for a breakout season, having shown great promise down the stretch last season.

But when the seasons starts, expect your eyes to follow Drew Brees' eyes: right to Cooks.
 
Is he this years Tavon Austin? Austin was the training camp darling, uncoverable, used in every possible scenario, etc.. Not comparing the situations but just the preseason hype on a guy.

 
Is he this years Tavon Austin? Austin was the training camp darling, uncoverable, used in every possible scenario, etc.. Not comparing the situations but just the preseason hype on a guy.
Cooks is so much more complete than Austin will ever be. Cooks is a WR that's a good athlete. Tavon is an athlete trying to play WR and hasn't figured it out yet.

 
Is he this years Tavon Austin? Austin was the training camp darling, uncoverable, used in every possible scenario, etc.. Not comparing the situations but just the preseason hype on a guy.
Cooks is so much more complete than Austin will ever be. Cooks is a WR that's a good athlete. Tavon is an athlete trying to play WR and hasn't figured it out yet.
fair point....

 
Is he this years Tavon Austin? Austin was the training camp darling, uncoverable, used in every possible scenario, etc.. Not comparing the situations but just the preseason hype on a guy.
Cooks is so much more complete than Austin will ever be. Cooks is a WR that's a good athlete. Tavon is an athlete trying to play WR and hasn't figured it out yet.
This time last year Austin was so much more complete than he really is. He was going to be R. Moss circa 1998.
 
Is he this years Tavon Austin? Austin was the training camp darling, uncoverable, used in every possible scenario, etc.. Not comparing the situations but just the preseason hype on a guy.
Cooks is so much more complete than Austin will ever be. Cooks is a WR that's a good athlete. Tavon is an athlete trying to play WR and hasn't figured it out yet.
This time last year Austin was so much more complete than he really is. He was going to be R. Moss circa 1998.
Rookie hype train is a dangerous thing, I guess I don't recall it much. But i'm just speaking on skill sets.

 
Is he this years Tavon Austin? Austin was the training camp darling, uncoverable, used in every possible scenario, etc.. Not comparing the situations but just the preseason hype on a guy.
Cooks is so much more complete than Austin will ever be. Cooks is a WR that's a good athlete. Tavon is an athlete trying to play WR and hasn't figured it out yet.
This time last year Austin was so much more complete than he really is. He was going to be R. Moss circa 1998.
Rookie hype train is a dangerous thing, I guess I don't recall it much. But i'm just speaking on skill sets.
the hype was very similar....everything coming out of St. Louis was he was wowing, uncoverable, was going to get handoffs/end arounds, etc.. I like the situation a lot more in NO due to the Brees factor but they are a team that spreads it around amongst all their skill players. I'm just afraid from a redraft POV all the hype and sound bites are moving him into a mid round territiory.

 
Is he this years Tavon Austin? Austin was the training camp darling, uncoverable, used in every possible scenario, etc.. Not comparing the situations but just the preseason hype on a guy.
Cooks is so much more complete than Austin will ever be. Cooks is a WR that's a good athlete. Tavon is an athlete trying to play WR and hasn't figured it out yet.
This time last year Austin was so much more complete than he really is. He was going to be R. Moss circa 1998.
Austin with Brees throwing him the ball and Payton calling the plays would be more impressive.

 
Is he this years Tavon Austin? Austin was the training camp darling, uncoverable, used in every possible scenario, etc.. Not comparing the situations but just the preseason hype on a guy.
Cooks is so much more complete than Austin will ever be. Cooks is a WR that's a good athlete. Tavon is an athlete trying to play WR and hasn't figured it out yet.
This time last year Austin was so much more complete than he really is. He was going to be R. Moss circa 1998.
Rookie hype train is a dangerous thing, I guess I don't recall it much. But i'm just speaking on skill sets.
the hype was very similar....everything coming out of St. Louis was he was wowing, uncoverable, was going to get handoffs/end arounds, etc.. I like the situation a lot more in NO due to the Brees factor but they are a team that spreads it around amongst all their skill players. I'm just afraid from a redraft POV all the hype and sound bites are moving him into a mid round territiory.
Yup, he was going to get 40+ carries and at least 1000 in the air. How many times in league history has a WR had over 25 carries in a season?
 
the hype was very similar....everything coming out of St. Louis was he was wowing, uncoverable, was going to get handoffs/end arounds, etc.. I like the situation a lot more in NO due to the Brees factor but they are a team that spreads it around amongst all their skill players. I'm just afraid from a redraft POV all the hype and sound bites are moving him into a mid round territiory.
similar hype =/= similar outcome

Rams O =/= Saints O

I've been predicting for a while now that Cooks won't make it out of the sixth round in my ten-team draft (3 WR, 0.5 PPR, no flex).

 
I think it's important to note the Saints have never had elite talent or even above average talent at the WR position since Payton arrived. Colston is very good but not special. Having a guy like Cooks who is likely well above average, and may approach elite, is uncharted territory for this offense. Projecting based on past WR usage is likely understating the opportunity Cooks presents for the offense to shift some volume away from the RBs and TEs.

 
Anyone who uses Tavon Austin as an example to be wary of Brandin Cooks has not watched Cooks play. Austin has always been overrated before he even got drafted. Antonio Brown, TY Hilton and Randall Cobb are who Brandin Cooks is going to be. Austin only wishes he can be a real WR like these other 4.

Just because Cooks runs a 4.3x, people think he's going to be mainly a gadget player. Well, news flash! He actually can play WR full-time like an Antonio Brown. If he ran a 4.5, that's who I'd compare Cooks to. Here are two routes of Cooks that I caught my eye during the course of evaluating him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xqdK2-93bk

 
I think there's a chance he goes #1 in our rookie draft this year. We don't draft for a couple more weeks. If Watkins throws up another stinker and Cooks has some success it's definitely possible. He's just in a really good spot where he's going to get immediate targets and it's looks like there will be a lot of room for his role to grow moving forward. Couple that with the fact that it's going to be hard to double him with everybody so worried about Graham, his QB is Drew Brees, and he's only 20 YO. If he can grow into the WR that gets 6+ catches a game he'll be pretty steady too. The concern is he's going to be that boom or bust WR that goes off for 30 points one week and then only has 5 points the next because Brees spreads the ball around so much.

 
"Watkins throws up another stinker"

LOL, based on 2 series in the Hall of Fame game.

That being said, I think taking Cooks over Watkins is completely reasonable given the situation.

 
Yeah that's probably worded incorrectly. If Watkins situation continues to look terrible. Watkins actually looked solid.

 
Rotoworld:

Brandin Cooks - WR - Saints

Brandin Cooks caught five passes for 55 yards and one touchdown in Friday night's preseason opener against the Rams.

Cooks lined up all over the field, playing every wide receiver position known to man. He saw a team-high eight targets and made Rams rookie DBs E.J. Gaines and Lamarcus Joyner look silly on his 25-yard catch-and-run touchdown. Cooks stopped on a dime, allowing Gaines to run right by him, before bursting past Joyner into the end zone. Cooks is lightning quick and certainly looks like he'll be the main beneficiary of Darren Sproles' departure. He has WR2 upside.

Aug 8 - 11:28 PM
 
He just went 7.6 in a PPR redraft I'm in. Continues to climb...

 
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My main concern at this point is his durability. I know he supposedly hasn't ever missed a game so that's a good sign but the NFL is obviously different. On a short crossing pattern yesterday he caught the ball, a defender was right there, and Cooks just got down. It shows good awareness on his part.

 
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My main concern at this point is his durability. I know he supposedly hasn't ever missed a game so that's a good sign but the NFL is obviously different. On a short crossing pattern yesterday he caught the ball, a defender was right there, and Cooks just got down. It shows good awareness on his part.
This was a concern until the preseason game. I saw 2 catches where he avoided a sure hit by going to the ground. Then when he had a little space he used it instead of giving himself up. Both of which are rarely seen from rookies. They are either scared to take a hit or try to do too much.

 
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/11/johnny-manziel-preseason-browns-michael-sam-rams/3/

Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

The usual good job has been done by editor Aaron Schatz and his Football Outsiders crew (Mike Tanier, Doug Farrar, Jason Lisk, Christopher Price, Chase Stuart) on Football Outsiders Alamanac 2014. Some prime tidbits:

FO projects college receivers to the NFL with a system called Playmaker Score. In general, the mark of a really good prospect is a Playmaker Score above 80 percent. This year, 13 rookie receivers hit this mark. FOs database goes back to 1996, and there had never been a season with more than eight such players. FO actually projects Brandin Cooks, not Sammy Watkins, as the top prospect among this years wide receivers. (The highest Playmaker Score ever belonged to Randy Moss.)
 

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