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WR Brandin Cooks, BUF (7 Viewers)

I think he's going to be a MONSTER so long as Brady remains healthy and productive.

Here is a list of Brady's top-five WRs.

Go to the link for the full read.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/nfl-best-wide-receivers-tom-brady.html/?a=viewall


 


NFL: The 5 Best Wide Receivers Tom Brady Has Ever Had



5. Julian Edelman



4. Deion Branch



3. Troy Brown



2. Wes Welker



1. Randy Moss
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Cooks is better than Welker who put up huge numbers.  

Belichick has loved Cooks for awhile.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000514930/article/bill-belichick-glad-we-dont-have-to-play-brandin-cooks


 


Bill Belichick: Glad we don't have to play Brandin Cooks


  • Published: Aug. 23, 2015 at 02:46 p.m.
  • Updated: Aug. 23, 2015 at 02:58 p.m.
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He will be used a lot.

 
menobrown said:
And Cooks was not happy he was not the alpha  in New Orleans,  I think he is less so now.
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He's never played in the NFL for a winning team. That solves a ton of problems.  Haven't you guys learned anything from other "malcontent divas" who join the Pats like Moss and Dillon?  He's going to be a monster in this offense.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
The deal seems like a good one but odd for NE. Cooks is primarily a deep threat and Brady isn't the best at that right?  Now if he's healthy (Big IF) Groningen could have a monster season with Cooks there 
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Brady is within striking distance of the career yardage and touchdown records, and his only active competition for them is Brees who leads him in both. 

He is also capable of breaking the single season records. It would be a long shot, but the pressure he can put on defenses short middle and long is going to be absurd. 

The receivers were getting long in the tooth.  They just got a better player than they'd get at 32.

And then Jimmy G may be looking at this and thinking that an extension with New England would be better than signing with Cleveland down the road. 

And of course they want title number 6.

Lots of reasons to make an aggressive move here.

 
Workhorse said:
He's never played in the NFL for a winning team. That solves a ton of problems.  Haven't you guys learned anything from other "malcontent divas" who join the Pats like Moss and Dillon?  He's going to be a monster in this offense.
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I truly don't think that was his issue.

 
bostonfred said:
Brady is within striking distance of the career yardage and touchdown records, and his only active competition for them is Brees who leads him in both. 

He is also capable of breaking the single season records. It would be a long shot, but the pressure he can put on defenses short middle and long is going to be absurd. 

The receivers were getting long in the tooth.  They just got a better player than they'd get at 32.

And then Jimmy G may be looking at this and thinking that an extension with New England would be better than signing with Cleveland down the road. 

And of course they want title number 6.

Lots of reasons to make an aggressive move here.
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Value wise the deal is fine. I just thought (could be wrong) that Brady hasn't been that good throwing deep. On the flip side it opens things up a ton for the underneath guys. 

 
menobrown said:
I would not be in that camp, but I don't know that someone like Michael Thomas can push a whole lot past the PPG fantasy type production he had last year either.
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He's the man there now. He will be treated like that by defenses. Ginn does help though and was a good signing. Still opposing defenses will be concentrating on Thomas.

 
Workhorse said:
He's never played in the NFL for a winning team. That solves a ton of problems.  Haven't you guys learned anything from other "malcontent divas" who join the Pats like Moss and Dillon?  He's going to be a monster in this offense.
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Deep threat going to a qb that doesn't do that so well. Lot of mouths to feed but people will hype him like you are. I'll take Edelman in redraft.

like the move as a football team for the pats though. Adds a deep threat to scare defenses.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
What I meant was, when NE gets a guy who has an "issue" people come out and say "oh well he was bad before I can't wait to see what happens now"....and on NE it never happens. 
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How many of those players were deemed bad because they were not happy with their lack of usage? I would put Blount in that category but just him.

And I get a lot of your point. I mentioned something like this a few days ago but Payton does not communicate as well with this players as BB. See Mark Ingram last year. I think BB does a better job of setting up expecations and communicating with his players, and that might make all the difference in the world.

Not saying it won't work, just saying it's an interesting dynamic .

One thing for sure, I like the deal for NE.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Value wise the deal is fine. I just thought (could be wrong) that Brady hasn't been that good throwing deep. On the flip side it opens things up a ton for the underneath guys. 
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That's probably true.  He hasn't had great deep targets with the exception of Moss.  Regardless of whether it was more him or the receivers, the lack of a serious threat of going deep kept safeties closer to the line than they'd prefer.  With Gronk and Cooks attacking deep and up the seam, Edelman attacking anywhere, white and Lewis out of the backfield, and Mitchell, Hogan and Co in 3 or 4 wr sets, this is going to be the best group he's had since 07 by far.

 
menobrown said:
How many of those players were deemed bad because they were not happy with their lack of usage? I would put Blount in that category but just him.

And I get a lot of your point. I mentioned something like this a few days ago but Payton does not communicate as well with this players as BB. See Mark Ingram last year. I think BB does a better job of setting up expecations and communicating with his players, and that might make all the difference in the world.

Not saying it won't work, just saying it's an interesting dynamic .

One thing for sure, I like the deal for NE.
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Yeah Ingram and Payton are on the outs too.......

 
voiceofunreason said:
Deep threat going to a qb that doesn't do that so well.
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What is this BS about Brady doesn't throw a good deep ball?

http://nesn.com/2016/10/tom-bradys-deep-ball-numbers-will-make-your-jaw-drop-to-the-floor/

Tom Brady’s Deep Ball Numbers Will Make Your Jaw Drop To The Floor
... Not only has Brady been incredibly efficient on short passes that travel for fewer than 15 yards in the air, but he’s showing his arm strength isn’t diminishing with age. He is averaging nearly 29 yards per pass attempt on deep balls. Think that’s absurd? Let the following chart put that 76.9 percent deep-pass completion percentage into context by looking at how Brady has performed in the statistical category over each of the last three seasons.
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SproutDaddy said:
Why on earth would the saints trade him for the 18th pick?  Not happening. 
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flapgreen said:
Hankmoody said:
Doesn't seem out of line to me.  If you're drafting in the 20's and looking at John Ross, why wouldn't you consider giving up your pick for him?  He's only 23 and while it's 3 fewer years of cheap rookie contract years that's a very small consideration to a well-managed team that's ready to win now.  His proven status vs. the wildcard any rookie can be plus Ross's health concerns makes this very plausible to me.  It doesn't specifically say 2018 1st, just "picks" so I suppose depending on how those are fleshed out could matter.
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You're completely ignoring having to pay Cooks a huge contract. A "well-managed" team wouldn't trade a first and a huge contract for Cooks. He's not going anywhere. 
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Hi

 
voiceofunreason said:
Deep threat going to a qb that doesn't do that so well. Lot of mouths to feed but people will hype him like you are. I'll take Edelman in redraft.

like the move as a football team for the pats though. Adds a deep threat to scare defenses.
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If you watched the Pats this year, Brady threw the deep ball quite well, particularly to Hogan. Plus, people forget that Cooks played a ton in the slot at Oregon. He's an impossible matchup problem on a team filled with them (Gronk, Edelman, White kill guys in man coverage already).  Seriously, barring injury, how will teams stop the Patriots passing game?

 
Patriots add Brandin Cooks to Tom Brady's arsenal, trade first-round pick to Saints

Except:

Cooks, still only 23, averaged 81 catches, 1,155.5 yards and 8.5 touchdowns the past two seasons. In that span, he also averaged 14.27 yards per reception. He’ll be joining an offense that already features Tom Brady (the greatest quarterback of all time), Rob Gronkowski (the best tight end in the game), Julian Edelman (a dependable underneath receiver) and two pass-catching backs in James White and Dion Lewis. 

Keep in mind: Brady rediscovered his deep ball this past season, posting the NFL’s second-highest passer rating (124.4) on passes thrown at least 20 yards downfield, per Pro Football Focus. He did that without Cooks.
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I recalled the Thomas vs Cooks twitter beef and really I'm a little past twitter beefs but this time was curious to see their reactions.

Cooks has none so far. No tweets, still kicking Saints bio. Went on some oddball religious spill yesterday and noting since.

Thomas threw out some shocked face and later liked a tweet that said "to many pats on the back will set you back". Clever.

All in all means absolutely nothing. Thanks for letting me waste your time.

 
Seems like Thomas is the one butt hurt if he has to keep lobbing shots at Cooks on the way out the door. LOLOL That's a solid diva trait right there......

 
Milkman said:
Seems like Thomas is the one butt hurt if he has to keep lobbing shots at Cooks on the way out the door. LOLOL That's a solid diva trait right there......
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Actually, that was posted on a Saints board yesterday.  It's the lyrics to the song and had nothing to do with the Cooks deal.

 
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I honestly don't feel the need to go through 20+ pages to prove a point, but by all means, go to blackandgold.com and look through the "Brandin Cooks trade talks" thread if you need validation.

 
Faust said:
Patriots add Brandin Cooks to Tom Brady's arsenal, trade first-round pick to Saints

Except:
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As a Cooks owner, I have mixed feelings.  The Saints were a fun offense to be part of and Brees is a gunslinger.  

New England is another pass happy offense and also has many mouths to feed.  I think BB use guys to their ability though...  The big challenge for Brandin is does he have what it takes (between the ears) to thrive in that offense?  Randy Moss did...  Chad Johnson... not so much. 

 
DropKick said:
As a Cooks owner, I have mixed feelings.  The Saints were a fun offense to be part of and Brees is a gunslinger.  

New England is another pass happy offense and also has many mouths to feed.  I think BB use guys to their ability though...  The big challenge for Brandin is does he have what it takes (between the ears) to thrive in that offense?  Randy Moss did...  Chad Johnson... not so much. 
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Chad Johnson was a shell of his former self when he came to New England at 33 years old.

Brandin Cooks is 23 and still an ascending talent.  I don't see the comparison.

 
Workhorse said:
If you watched the Pats this year, Brady threw the deep ball quite well, particularly to Hogan. Plus, people forget that Cooks played a ton in the slot at Oregon. He's an impossible matchup problem on a team filled with them (Gronk, Edelman, White kill guys in man coverage already).  Seriously, barring injury, how will teams stop the Patriots passing game?
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I stand corrected about the deep shots this year but for quite a few years before that he was pretty poor.

I think the pats offense will be great but I think he'll struggle for targets compared to a place like the Titans.

 
voiceofunreason said:
I stand corrected about the deep shots this year but for quite a few years before that he was pretty poor.

I think the pats offense will be great but I think he'll struggle for targets compared to a place like the Titans.
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As a Cooks owner in most of my leagues I would have preferred the Titans also  

 
Workhorse said:
If you watched the Pats this year, Brady threw the deep ball quite well, particularly to Hogan.
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Yep.  Brady's deep ball started to fall off a few years ago, but he has bounced back in that regard the last two years.  Pretty crazy, if you think about it. 

 
Pulled this up from Aug 2015. When Saints were open to trading Cooks. We should've seen it coming based on this even. 

While the New Orleans Saints dropped their second preseason game to the New England Patriots 26-24, there was still plenty to take away from the game.

One thing? Brandin Cooks looks poised to do big things in 2015.

As Evan Woodbery of NOLA.com reports, Cooks received rave reviews after catching four balls for 117 yards and a touchdown. The one person who may have given the most praise was Patriots head coach Bill Belichick.






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"I’m glad we don’t have to play him twice a year and he’s not in our division," Belichick told NOLA.com after the Patriots’ win. "He’s a really good player."

Obviously, having an opposing coach say something like this is impressive, but when it’s Belichick, that sort of takes it to another level.

(h/t NOLA.com)

 
Milkman said:
Careful Sprout......Cooks just went from a team that didn't like him and ignored him lots where he still put up 1100+ yards to a team that makes average WR look amazing..........
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Ignored him?  117 targets last year is ignoring him?  Cooks isn't Steve Smith.  And NO is pretty damn good at making average WR look amazing as well.  Look at their production since Payton has been there.

 
SproutDaddy said:
Ignored him?  117 targets last year is ignoring him?  Cooks isn't Steve Smith.  And NO is pretty damn good at making average WR look amazing as well.  Look at their production since Payton has been there.
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Yeah, BB and Brady are horrible at making average WRs look amazing.  Hi Julian Edelman!  Hi Troy brown!

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Yeah, BB and Brady are horrible at making average WRs look amazing.  Hi Julian Edelman!  Hi Troy brown!
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I didn't say they didn't.  The poster I was replying to said the same thing you did.  He also said Cooks was ignored.  Just pointing out the obvious.

 
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117 targets is around 30th in the nfl. Hes more than a deep threat, hes a very good route runner as well. BB will use him all over the field imo.

 
SproutDaddy said:
I didn't say they didn't.  The poster I was replying to said the same thing you did.  He also said Cooks was ignored.  Just pointing out the obvious.
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Then what is your point?  People are acting like Cooks went from this amazing situation......with this world class QB......to some place known as the gathering point for WR outcasts.  

 
If Brees regresses this year, it won't be because of Cooks.  I'll be surprised if Cooks tops what he's done in NO.  NE has more competition for targets, and an established go to in Gronk.  But admittedly, I can't see the future.

 
SproutDaddy said:
Ignored him?  117 targets last year is ignoring him?  Cooks isn't Steve Smith.  And NO is pretty damn good at making average WR look amazing as well.  Look at their production since Payton has been there.
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25th in targets among all WR for a receiver the Pats just traded away a 1st and 3rd to obtain..........let that sink in. He was under utilized and yes scoring 45 points and not throwing the ball once to Cooks was a slap in the face that backfired on Payton and Brees. Snead is solid I get it but putting Cooks in the slot more would have been advantageous to the entire offense. Snead<Cooks anywhere on the field really.  

Cooks outscored Crabtree on 28 less targets........Fitz on 33 less targets.......and scored similarly on points per target than Julio Jones........Yeah I think you need to give players like that more than 117 targets.

 
SproutDaddy said:
If Brees regresses this year, it won't be because of Cooks.  I'll be surprised if Cooks tops what he's done in NO.  NE has more competition for targets, and an established go to in Gronk.  But admittedly, I can't see the future.
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I see the general logic there. NE has a lot of mouths to feed but Edelman is slowing down, Gronk misses time every year, and they will save him a little during the season. BB will have no problem putting the best WR they have in situations to succeed over and over again. Plus NE entire offense is going to improve. As long as Cooks picks up the offense he'll lead the team in targets. If he gets more than 117 targets he should be a favorite to out produce his production this year.

 
If the Saints hit on their picks with defensive help they clearly won.  The offense won't miss a beat barring any major injury.  I'm sure they add another WR on day 2.

 
SproutDaddy said:
If the Saints hit on their picks with defensive help they clearly won.  The offense won't miss a beat barring any major injury.  I'm sure they add another WR on day 2.
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Clearly won what ?  I think it was a coup for New England to land a top NFL tested young WR in exchange for the 32nd pick in the draft.  New England has already won this trade hands down, the onus is on New Orleans to hit on pick #32 to make this a fair trade.

 
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