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WR Brandin Cooks, BUF (10 Viewers)

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I didn't know this about Cooks but it shows. Work ethic, football intelligence, humility and eagerness to continue to learn and improve are absolute cornerstones of "The Patriot Way".  Not to imply they're not traits sought by other teams, but I feel New England buts a higher value on them. 
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The Patriots get players to focus on winning above all else.  Cooks did not put up flashy numbers in many games but he walked off the field as a winner and now he is in a SB.  Patriots and Cooks both have won so far. 

 
DocHolliday said:
The Patriots get players to focus on winning above all else.  Cooks did not put up flashy numbers in many games but he walked off the field as a winner and now he is in a SB.  Patriots and Cooks both have won so far. 
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And even in the games where his statline made FF owners pout, he was drawing long PI calls, often in the endzone, contributing significantly to his team's victory. 

I wouldn't be surprised if he lead the league in both PI calls for and yds from PI calls. 

 
cockroach said:
And even in the games where his statline made FF owners pout, he was drawing long PI calls, often in the endzone, contributing significantly to his team's victory. 

I wouldn't be surprised if he lead the league in both PI calls for and yds from PI calls. 
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It was actually a little less than I thought. 141 yards, 4th most in the NFL. 

He did draw another 68 in the afc championship game though. 

 
Let’s start awarding fantasy points for pi calls!!!! Another stat to insert! I think it would be a very interesting stat to track. I bet Adams has a good chunk- lots of pi calls on those free plays where arod just slings it upnfor grabs. 

 
On a scale of 1-10, how lucky were the Edelman and Hogan injuries for Cooks owners? He only scored 1.8 ppr ppg less than with the Saints (12% decrease) but it could've been worse if Edelman had been around. I'm going to give it an 8.5 on the luck scale.

Is anyone worried about Edelman, at age 32, resuming his target hog status? It varies from player to player, but 32 is generally where WRs don't hit that cliff, but they do decline a non-negligible amount.

 
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On a scale of 1-10, how lucky were the Edelman and Hogan injuries for Cooks owners? He only scored 1.8 ppr ppg less than with the Saints (12% decrease) but it could've been worse if Edelman had been around. I'm going to give it an 8.5 on the luck scale.

Is anyone worried about Edelman, at age 32, resuming his target hog status? It varies from player to player, but 32 is generally where WRs don't hit that cliff, but they do decline a non-negligible amount.
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Agreed on the Cooks situation. I was down on him bigtime this year. There was a lot of talk of Moss 2.0 but I think everyone knew that wasn't happening. Cooks isn't moss, and the Pats have changed as a team.  My biggest concern with Cooks is his consistency. 

I truly believe Edelman will be back. I've been following his recovery and he's a physical specimen. They guy works his ### off and is still hungry as hell. I could be wrong... but I think he's back next year. Now, will he reclaim the target monster role? I'm not sure. I'd have a hard time seeing him as anything less than a 70-80 reception guy in our offense.... but we'll see. 

 
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Agreed on the Cooks situation. I was down on him bigtime this year. There was a lot of talk of Moss 2.0 but I think everyone knew that wasn't happening. Cooks isn't moss, and the Pats have changed as a team.  My biggest concern with Cooks is his consistency. 

I truly believe Edelman will be back. I've been following his recovery and he's a physical specimen. They guy works his ### off and is still hungry as hell. I could be wrong... but I think he's back next year. Now, will he reclaim the target monster role? I'm not sure. I'd have a hard time seeing him as anything less than a 70-80 reception guy in our offense.... but we'll see. 
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With their entire game being built around sudden cuts I think you have to wonder how long it takes those slot guys to bounce back from ACLs.  Maybe longer than even RBs.  Welker was terrible the year after his ACL with almost 30 fewer receptions and 400 fewer yards than his next worse season in NE.

If I recall his ACL tear was much later in the season than Edelman's though.  On the flipside he was 3 years younger.

 
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FF Ninja said:
On a scale of 1-10, how lucky were the Edelman and Hogan injuries for Cooks owners? He only scored 1.8 ppr ppg less than with the Saints (12% decrease) but it could've been worse if Edelman had been around. I'm going to give it an 8.5 on the luck scale.

Is anyone worried about Edelman, at age 32, resuming his target hog status? It varies from player to player, but 32 is generally where WRs don't hit that cliff, but they do decline a non-negligible amount.
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I'm not sure we can say any "extra" targets went to Cooks that would have gone to Edelman instead if he stayed healthy - I do think we can say Amendola picked up more targets than he would have and maybe the RBs as well. I'm sure the Pats trading away a first round pick for Cooks ensured that he would be a pretty big part of their offense. You can call him "lucky" others may call him "good" (which Belichick has many times).

The Pats offense has been notoriously tough for new WRs to pick up in their first year - so maybe Cooks' role actually grows in 2018, as he becomes more acclimated in it and gains more trust from Brady, even if Edelman comes back.   

 
FF Ninja said:
On a scale of 1-10, how lucky were the Edelman and Hogan injuries for Cooks owners? He only scored 1.8 ppr ppg less than with the Saints (12% decrease) but it could've been worse if Edelman had been around. I'm going to give it an 8.5 on the luck scale.

Is anyone worried about Edelman, at age 32, resuming his target hog status? It varies from player to player, but 32 is generally where WRs don't hit that cliff, but they do decline a non-negligible amount.
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I'm willing to give Cooks the benefit of the doubt on some things. For starters, it was his first year in NE and it takes time to absorb the system and get on the same page with Brady.

I think some games Cooks disappeared because Edelman was missing, Hogan and Mitchell were hurt, Amendola was not utilized like he has been in the playoffs, etc.That kind of goes both ways, as having more guys to go underneath would impact Cooks targets, but he may have been able to get open more if defenses had to worry about other players to cover.

His year end numbers were decent it will be hard for him to have uber production numbers with all the mouths to feed. IMO, he had too many drops on easy passes and should have hauled in some others as well (albeit they were not easy catches). He did seem to play a little soft at times.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
With their entire game being built around sudden cuts I think you have to wonder how long it takes those slot guys to bounce back from ACLs.  Maybe longer than even RBs.  Welker was terrible the year after his ACL with almost 30 fewer receptions and 400 fewer yards than his next worse season in NE.

If I recall his ACL tear was much later in the season than Edelman's though.  On the flipside he was 3 years younger.
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Edelman was in preseason...Welker was the last game of the regular season...

 
Both Anarchy and Doc are right on...my biggest disappointment was the lack of big plays...was just expecting a few more WR screen and 50 yard lightning bolt for a TD type of plays...it will be interesting to see how Year 2 goes because the Pats need to make a decision on re-signing him...

 
Dr. Octopus said:
You can call him "lucky" others may call him "good".
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Why not both?  :shrug:

Plus, I was mainly calling his owners lucky. I think it is a relatively safe assumption that 117 targets does not happen if Edelman and Hogan play 16 games. You are indeed correct that it is a tough system to learn and there were many mouths to feed. That's why it took a little luck to only have a 12% drop in ppg. 

 
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Why not both?  :shrug:

Plus, I was mainly calling his owners lucky. I think it is a relatively safe assumption that 117 targets does not happen if Edelman and Hogan play 16 games. You are indeed correct that it is a tough system to learn and there were many mouths to feed. That's why it took a little luck to only have a 12% drop in ppg. 
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I'm not sure that it is - although it's been pretty safe to assume missed games from Edelman, Hogan and Gronk most years.

I think 110-120 targets was pretty safe to assume for Cooks once they traded for him. Cooks is not consistent from game to game but he has been from season to season.

 
The Boston Herald reports the Patriots could extend Brandin Cooks this offseason.

Cooks is due a $8.5 million option that the Patriots want to reduce with an extension. That could be difficult in a contract year, but Cooks is open to staying in New England. Cooks may be a candidate for the franchise tag if he plays 2018 without a new deal.

Source: Boston Herald 

Feb 10 - 3:05 PM
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cockroach said:
fruity pebbles said:
FreeBaGeL said:
It was actually a little less than I thought. 141 yards, 4th most in the NFL. 

He did draw another 68 in the afc championship game though. 
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who were the first 3?
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I tried to find the stats after I posted that and couldn't find them, BUT there was an article in late Nov where Hopkins lead the league in both.
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Football Outsiders has pass interference stats. Here's everyone with 100+ pass interference yards (regular season only):

7 for 159 yds Marvin Jones
11 for 155 yds DeAndre Hopkins
6 for 155 yds Antonio Brown
5 for 141 yds Brandin Cooks
5 for 126 yds Rob Gronkowski
8 for 116 yds Keenan Allen
5 for 115 yds Adam Thielen
6 for 111 yds DeMaryius Thomas
5 for 105 yds Stefon Diggs
5 for 101 yds Martavis Bryant

 
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Patriots are trading WR Brandin Cooks and a fourth-round pick to LA Rams for the 23rd overall pick in the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft and a sixth-round pick, league sources told ESPN.
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Rotoworld take:

Rams acquired WR Brandin Cooks and a fourth-round pick from the Patriots in exchange for first- and sixth-round picks.

The out-of-nowhere move lands the Rams their Sammy Watkins replacement, and also takes them out of the running for Odell Beckham. Now armed with the Nos. 23 and 31 picks, perhaps the Pats will make a play for the Giants' superstar. It's the second straight offseason Cooks has been dealt, both times for a first-rounder. He remained boom-or-bust in the Patriots' crowded receiver corps last season but posted a 65/1,082/7 line while averaging a career-high 16.6 yards per catch. Headed into the final year of his rookie contract, Cooks is still only 24. Fighting for targets with Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp while downgrading from Tom Brady to Jared Goff, Cooks might be best treated as a WR3 in offseason drafts.

Related: Patriots

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter 

Apr 3 - 5:51 PM
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Patriots reporter Jeff Howe reports the Rams have "already expressed interest" in extending contract-year WR Brandin Cooks beyond 2018.

We would expect as much, though Cooks doesn't have to jump into anything. Perhaps he will reason he will never get a better deal than just after he was acquired, though still only 24, Cooks can reasonably assume he will be in for a windfall next offseason, either via the franchise tag or a long-term contract. The Rams should be in deal-making mood. They can't let Cooks get away for nothing like they did with Sammy Watkins.

Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter 

Apr 3 - 6:29 PM
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Cooks over the past 3 years averaged 76/1131/8 on 120 targets. Watkins last year was on a 16-game pace of 42/633/8.5 on 75 targets. Average them together and you get 59/882/8 on 97 targets, which seems like a reasonable starting point for projecting Cooks this year.

 
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Jared Goff and newly-acquired Brandin Cooks have already been working out together this offseason.

The Rams reportedly tried to trade for Cooks last offseason before acquiring Sammy Watkins. They offered CB Trumaine Johnson in the deal, but the Saints said no and shipped Cooks to New England. Allegedly, the talks with the Patriots heated up earlier this week when both coach Bill Belichick and Sean McVay worked together at a coaching clinic at the University of Georgia. As far as Cooks and Goff, they'd been throwing together on the West Coast prior to the trade, already building a rapport. Cooks and the Rams are working on an extension.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter 

Apr 4 - 9:51 AM
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The couple Patiot games I watched last year I was unimpressed with Cooks. He struggled against press coverage and just was not very impactful as a deep threat (although they did hit a few during the season). I know it took awhile for Brady and him to get on the same page. I assume it will take Goff some time to trust him as well. Those expecting much more than what he had with the Pats last year are going to be disappointed IMO.

 
Where do people put Cooks' value in dynasty? Tough to judge. I am more a fan of his due to LAR's investment in Cooks. But they ranked 24th in passing attempts last year. No WR had 100 targets. 

Is a 2019 first worth Cooks? More? 

 
Dr. Dan said:
Where do people put Cooks' value in dynasty? Tough to judge. I am more a fan of his due to LAR's investment in Cooks. But they ranked 24th in passing attempts last year. No WR had 100 targets. 

Is a 2019 first worth Cooks? More? 
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I'd give a 19 1st for Cooks unless it looked like 1.01. he could be in for a rough transition year, but I still love the talent. 

 
I've been trying to shop Cooks without coming off as desperate since last year. He's a hold for me. He isn't getting proper value back for his accomplishments/age. Everyone thinks we've seen him peak, but he's only 24. That is objectively crazy. 

 
In redrafts and best balls I have zero shares.  Just won't see enough targets and has a limited route tree.

 
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TripItUp said:
In redrafts and best balls I have zero shares.  Just won't see enough targets and has a limited route tree.
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Yeah in redraft he's over valued, and dynasty under valued  :loco:

I don't play best ball, but I would think that's a perfect format for him. 

 
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