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What do you expect this time of year?
For example Milkman suggesting Perriman should be a 6th overall pick in rookie drafts or Xue stating that he is a better route runner than Parker, White and Strong.
Those are the only 2 examples and Xue has been saying that since before the pro day, so not really an example. In other words, one post reacting to today's events so far = serious overreaction here?
Exactly. And it's not like a possible sub-4.2 is just some "fast pro day". That's historically fast by a WR already being talked about possibly going in the 1st round who hadn't already shown what he can run at the combine. At his size, even more freakish.
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Actually, he's the 2.02 in PPR. Not yet selected in standard. https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/725846-2015-rookie-204-pre-nfl-draft-for-dynasty/
Ok Gian now that is 3 examples that you can feel free to dismiss as over reactions. Carry on.
Jurb he just ran. If he ran a 4.3 at the combine would he still be taken in the second round of rookie drafts?
I don't know where he would be taken. I was referring to the top 6 talk, though. Not just first round. Yeah, he probably gets a bump based on his time. I find that somewhat silly in and of itself, but it's the reality. Top 6? I'm pretty certain, no. What happens if he gets drafted in the NFL in round 3?
Over reactions to what? Those 2 votes took place before today.Ok Gian now that is 3 examples that you can feel free to dismiss as over reactions. Carry on.
I've been high on Perriman since October. https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/702717-dynasty-2015-draft-prospects/?p=17387992
This was Milkman's 1st post referencing pick 1.06. I read this to say that if Perriman gets taken in the top 20 that that would put him in the discussion for 1.06. I don't see Milkman anointing Perriman the no brainer 1.06 right now.
I don't think it's an overreaction, it's people waking up to what has been happening the last 3 months. He has been talked about as a first rounder by people like Cosell for a while.Ok Gian now that is 3 examples that you can feel free to dismiss as over reactions. Carry on.
White is a worse route runner because he can't transition his speed into his cuts. Perriman is much smoother in doing that. They both need work and are far from being "great route runners". I just don't like White's change of direction in his routes, because he's so much more athletic with the ball with his hands. How can you not wonder why it doesn't show up in his routes? Watch this in slow motion and look at his left foot: http://gfycat.com/UnselfishJointAurochs#?speed=0.5
Sounds like Kevin White. Perriman is actually quite fluid in the hips: http://gfycat.com/TerribleFilthyAtlanticspadefish
He rounded that route like the start of a circle.... Not exactly a good endorsement. Again lazy, or he just can't do it properly. As for comparing him to White, I see more natural athleticism on the field and the quickness for him is hands down much better than Perriman's. White is what you hope Perriman can become.
You said he has "stiff hips". He clearly does not. But nice strawman. Does Alshon Jeffery run "lazy" routes? Or does he simply move in a certain way? It's frustrating when people don't understand human movement. You want him to be fluid and he is, now he's "lazy"? So you want him to be "stiffer" and less smooth so he can be sharper? It's the same, or opposite with Sammie Coates. People say he's 'stiff', but he actually makes sharp cuts. Then people say he's not smooth. Then if he's smooth, he's just lazy.
It's people overreacting to last year's rookie WR class, which isn't going to be as good long term as everyone is now just expecting as fact.Shutout said:
I agree somewhat but we could have up to 6 or 7 first round WR picks. Cooper, White, Parker are locks and Strong, DGB, Perriman, Agholor, Devin Smith have all been mocked to be 1st rounders. Maybe that's more indicative of a weak overall top of the draft but 1st round wrs are generally really solid prospects. The NFL draft will be interesting. It's possible that the NFL is suffering from the same recency bias as us FFersShutout said:
I never said he was lazy. For a guy who constantly nitpicks, yet calls people out for not reading their posts it's quite contradictory. I said the way he runs routes is lazy, or he can't do it the right way. The way he runs the shorter routes doesn't make me believe he's doing it with full effort. The longer ones, yes because he likely knows he can get past any DB. Maybe he just hasn't had good enough coaching to do it the way I would expect, that could be the case. Or like Jurb said, his high center of gravity doesn't physically let him, in which case I'd say he'd be very limited in the NFL to what he can do. We don't know the root of the issue. To add some more clarification to what I meant the 1st time, The way he cuts is stiff in his hips. Especially when he already has the ball.Xue said:
Post 37 of this thread you said:Xue said:
What you're describing isn't called "stiff". It's just lack of suddenness.
How can it be an overreaction to include Parker? You sound like you're offended. I'm a big Parker fan and made numerous posts on his releases already. When did I say I was "skeptical" of Parker as well? All I stated was an observation. I still have Parker ahead of Perriman and White. Perriman and White are closely ranked to me, but not in the same tier as Parker.
I have him 1.08 to 1.10 before this news. Let me know in three months who "overreacted" to his 40 time.
