WR Chad Jackson Impressive In Debut (1 Viewer)

[Bad_Mo]

From the FBG News Blogger:

During his first professional minicamp, Chad Jackson, the receiver from Florida flashed all the skills that led the Pats to trade up to the 36th pick in the second round of the draft last month to nab him. His speed and hands were obvious, and he appeared to run his routes with crispness. He made some nice grabs on passes over his head and at his feet, and not one ball that touched his body hit the ground. He was the best player on the field.

http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/...rticleid=139214

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My take:  Chad Jackson is in a very good situation for him to put up some numbers in '06. With the Patriots losing David Givens this year to the Titans, he has a wonderful opportunity to step in as a #2 or #3 guy right out of the gate this season and QB Tom Brady is known for spreading the ball around.  He should be the most production rookie receiver this season.

8.7 ypc @ Florida ....... Enough said!!

How much of that is due to the offensive system and play calling? Clearly to throw the ball deep you have to throw it more than 8 yards on average. He's obviously being asked to run underneath routes in that system or expected to make YAC plays which also didn't work that well.For those that watched him play, was he even sent deep very often or was kept in?

Enough said. Well thought out analysis citing his YPC. I'm convinced Jackson will be garbage because of this position.

 

[Bad_Mo]

IF (and I stress if) he really is a Nancy boy, that's not going to cut it in Steeltown.

Is crying in public considered a Nancy boy trait?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Maybe, maybe not - we'll never know. No one is bashing the Patriots here - why the hell are you guys SO defensive? I'm talking about a player here - I actually think the Patriots got good value taking him where they did - I am discussing why Chad Jackson fell out of round 1, not comparing the draft acumen of the Steelers and Patriots here.

I also have never disavowed Jackson's upside once. He has tremendous upside, but if he is a wuss, that will hurt him, and would never play in Pittsburgh, where the receivers are asked to play more a more physical brand of football than receivers are on most other teams.

Grin, I've read many of your posts and value your opinion, but please stop with the defensive Pats stuff. There are a few of those guys out there in every fan base, I was just trying to make and make a point. IMO, Jackson's weaknesses are being highlighted by many board members. Why is that defensive?

It just seemed like there was a very quick outpouring of "homer" cries and people accusing me of "trashing" Jackson as a way of pointing out that I believe the Steelers to be more shrewd drafters than New England. That was not at all my intent and this response was meant to defuse that. Everyone here is cool, and you have proven to be very levelheaded with your ensuing posts, so please don't take that personally.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

IF (and I stress if) he really is a Nancy boy, that's not going to cut it in Steeltown.

Is crying in public considered a Nancy boy trait?

Depends on the player. Ward gets a pass while Kordell was basically run out of town amid a torrent of questions about his sexuality.Personally, Ward can cry all he wants as far as I'm concerned. He can sit around in silk pajamas watching "Hope Floats" and bawling like a school girl with shin splints every night for all I care, as long as he's out there on Sundays blowing up defenders all game long and making tough catch after tough catch.

 

[SSOG]

in Urban Meyer's offense, the outside WRs get sent deep a lot more than the slot receivers - but Meyer likes to use what he calls the "H-back" slot receiver as his major playmaker on screens, short underneath routes, going in motion for reverses, etc. The offense is predicated mainly on short passing. Jackson started out as an outside WR but then moved to the slot permanently after Andre Caldwell got hurt for the year vs. Tennessee (3rd game). Baker was on the outside all year and most of his catches were deep throws.

Okay, so compare Jackson's numbers to Caldwell's- you know, the guy whose role Jackson took over? Jackson averaged 10 yards per reception... Caldwell averaged 16. No matter how you slice it, Jackson had the lowest YPR on the entire team.Again, I'm not saying that Jackson isn't capable of excelling against NFL-caliber players. I'm only saying that I never saw it happen in college, and am hoping that he'll surprise me.

 

[MassMunity]

It just seemed like there was a very quick outpouring of "homer" cries and people accusing me of "trashing" Jackson as a way of pointing out that I believe the Steelers to be more shrewd drafters than New England. That was not at all my intent and this response was meant to defuse that. Everyone here is cool, and you have proven to be very levelheaded with your ensuing posts, so please don't take that personally.

Its all good. I don't take things personal. Like I said, I value your opinion and just wanted to keep the discussion going on a more fruitful level. I also wanted to make a statement about something you said earlier regarding Jackson not being coachable. I heard he had some problems buying into Meyer's system at first, but who wouldn't. He was the outside threat and was now being asked to move inside. He had some problems at 1st, which is probably why people label him soft, but he adapted and became a very productive and versatile WR catching 80+ balls last year. How can someone learn two entirely different offenses and be highly recommened by the coaching staff be labeled as uncoachable? Even if it were true, I doubt teams like Pitt or NE would have any problem coaching this kid since you would have to be pretty dumb not to buy into those proven systems.Hey, SSOG. Did you watch his entire career or just last year. What did Jackson average the previous year?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

It just seemed like there was a very quick outpouring of "homer" cries and people accusing me of "trashing" Jackson as a way of pointing out that I believe the Steelers to be more shrewd drafters than New England.  That was not at all my intent and this response was meant to defuse that.  Everyone here is cool, and you have proven to be very levelheaded with your ensuing posts, so please don't take that personally.

Its all good. I don't take things personal. Like I said, I value your opinion and just wanted to keep the discussion going on a more fruitful level. I also wanted to make a statement about something you said earlier regarding Jackson not being coachable. I heard he had some problems buying into Meyer's system at first, but who wouldn't. He was the outside threat and was now being asked to move inside. He had some problems at 1st, which is probably why people label him soft, but he adapted and became a very productive and versatile WR catching 80+ balls last year. How can someone learn two entirely different offenses and be highly recommened by the coaching staff be labeled as uncoachable? Even if it were true, I doubt teams like Pitt or NE would have any problem coaching this kid since you would have to be pretty dumb not to buy into those proven systems.

Hey, SSOG. Did you watch his entire career or just last year. What did Jackson average the previous year?

Read that post again. I didn't say he was uncoachable, I was responding to the guy(s) that were saying that the reason his draft stock slipped was because he didn't run crisp routes and couldn't learn complex NFL offenses. I agree with you 100% - I have heard nothing but good things about his attitude and coachability, and his ability to pick up Meyer's complex spread offense would bear that out. That was my whole point - with his talent, he wouldn't have dropped to #36 because of flaws in his game that could be coached out at the NFL level, IMO, there had to be some other caveat GMs/scouts saw that caused a lot of teams to pass on someone with his measurables.

 

[Possum]

in Urban Meyer's offense, the outside WRs get sent deep a lot more than the slot receivers - but Meyer likes to use what he calls the "H-back" slot receiver as his major playmaker on screens, short underneath routes, going in motion for reverses, etc. The offense is predicated mainly on short passing. Jackson started out as an outside WR but then moved to the slot permanently after Andre Caldwell got hurt for the year vs. Tennessee (3rd game). Baker was on the outside all year and most of his catches were deep throws.

Okay, so compare Jackson's numbers to Caldwell's- you know, the guy whose role Jackson took over? Jackson averaged 10 yards per reception... Caldwell averaged 16. No matter how you slice it, Jackson had the lowest YPR on the entire team.Again, I'm not saying that Jackson isn't capable of excelling against NFL-caliber players. I'm only saying that I never saw it happen in college, and am hoping that he'll surprise me.

Caldwell had 10 catches for 148 yards in three games (Wyoming, LaTech, and the first half of the UT game) for a 14.8 average. like I said, Jackson was rumored to be unhappy with his role taking over for Caldwell and as a result his play on the field suffered. But the offense as a whole was pretty bad for much of the year, for several reasons: Chris Leak didn't look at all comfortable running the new scheme, injuries to Caldwell, Baker, and WR Jemalle Cornelius, and the speed/talent level of the SEC. All these factors helped contribute to Chad's low YPC as well.

but I agree with you that Jackson isn't a sure thing. Super-talented guy, physically, but having watched him for three years I just have this nagging feeling that his motivation and work ethic may be lacking that extra something to make him a great NFL receiver. I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong, also, and he's in a great situation for that to happen.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Play nice boys.

Draft position is no indicator of how well a player will perform in the NFL. Just ask Tom Brady, TJ Houshmandzadeh or Priest Holmes.

That being said, it's waaaaaaay too early to start talking about either Santonio Holmes or Chad Jackson. EvilGrin thinks Holmes was the better pick (of course he does). Pats fans think Jackson was the better choice (of course we do). Give it a year or three and we may be looking at Maurice Stovall (ex.) as the steal of the draft.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Play nice boys.

Draft position is no indicator of how well a player will perform in the NFL. Just ask Tom Brady, TJ Houshmandzadeh or Priest Holmes.

That being said, it's waaaaaaay too early to start talking about either Santonio Holmes or Chad Jackson. EvilGrin thinks Holmes was the better pick (of course he does). Pats fans think Jackson was the better choice (of course we do). Give it a year or three and we may be looking at Maurice Stovall (ex.) as the steal of the draft.

I don't even necessarily think Holmes will be a more productive player down the road. He was a better fit for Pittsburgh, and I am glad they chose him over Jackson, but with another team and in another system, Jackson may be the better pick. All I was conveying is that there are some concerns about his willingness to take a hit, and surmising that may have been the reason he slipped a bit on draft day. That's it.

 

[EBF]

Draft position is no indicator of how well a player will perform in the NFL. Just ask Tom Brady, TJ Houshmandzadeh or Priest Holmes.

There are certainly exceptions to the rule, but higher picks do tend to have a better success rate than lower picks.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Draft position is no indicator of how well a player will perform in the NFL. Just ask Tom Brady, TJ Houshmandzadeh or Priest Holmes.

There are certainly exceptions to the rule, but higher picks do tend to have a better success rate than lower picks.

The 'higher' picks, those taken in the 1st, imo do not represent NFL draft value. Troy Williamson and Braylon Edwards from a year ago are only two of numerous examples....Mike Williams and Charles Rogers are two more. Travis Taylor is another...David Boston going back a few years....basically done. Ashley Lelie another 1st rounder not exactly getting it done. David Terrell and Todd Pinkston two more. Where's Rod Gardner? another 1st rounder. Reggie Wayne is one of the few, but he's taking passes form Peyton Manning. Where would he be without him? How's Reggie Williams looking in Jacksonville....a top 10 overall pick? Is that guy a stud? I think the split of 1st round WR success to 'failure' is probably about 50/50 and it would be about the same in the 2nd round as well. Itll come down to attitude, work ethic and luck. Chad Johnson will have a good attitude working around Brady and Branch and Watson and the rest of those Patriots. he'll also work hard with this crew. Will he have the luck to stay healthy and on the field? I dont know...was he known to miss alot of playing time while at Florida? Dont know. All I know is the guy is big, he runs a 4.3 and now he's going to be able to brought along slowly on a blue collar team with little immediate pressure. I think I kindof like those variables.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Draft position is no indicator of how well a player will perform in the NFL. Just ask Tom Brady, TJ Houshmandzadeh or Priest Holmes.

There are certainly exceptions to the rule, but higher picks do tend to have a better success rate than lower picks.

1st round to 4th round, you have a point.Not so much from #25 overall to #36.

 

[SSOG]

Hey, SSOG. Did you watch his entire career or just last year. What did Jackson average the previous year?

Yes, I watched his entire career. Yes, he averaged a godly ypr the season before. Yes, I saw that, and am aware of that, and was even thinking he could be a potential Heisman candidate based on 2004 and his 3TD performance against Wyoming. With that said, again, I don't have any memories of Chad Jackson taking over a single game other than Wyoming. That was the only time in 3 years that I saw Chad Jackson simply dominate the competition. Now that he's facing even tougher competition, I expect it will be even tougher for him to dominate.That's really my sticking point. I feel like, if a player is good enough to not just play in the NFL, but to be a potential FIRST ROUND SELECTION, one of the top 32 players in the entire graduating class (plus quality Juniors), then he should have been head-and-shoulders above the rest of his college peers. He should have been a dominant force, able to just overpower the competition, which is by and large of a drastically lower quality. I remember Eli Manning dominating. I remember Jay Cutler dominating. Ronnie Brown and Caddillac Williams dominated. Javon Kearse dominated. Larry Fitzgerald dominated. I don't ever remember Chad Jackson dominating.

I think the split of 1st round WR success to 'failure' is probably about 50/50 and it would be about the same in the 2nd round as well. Itll come down to attitude, work ethic and luck. Chad Johnson will have a good attitude working around Brady and Branch and Watson and the rest of those Patriots. he'll also work hard with this crew. Will he have the luck to stay healthy and on the field? I dont know...was he known to miss alot of playing time while at Florida? Dont know. All I know is the guy is big, he runs a 4.3 and now he's going to be able to brought along slowly on a blue collar team with little immediate pressure. I think I kindof like those variables.

Remember when the thought process was that Terrell Owens would "work hard" with that "crew" in Philadelphia?I think who you are playing with doesn't really influence your work ethic or attitude. Jackson could be playing with Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and Jim Brown, and if he turns out to be a punk, he'll still turn out to be a punk. I mean, how well did "that crew" keep Ty Law in line?

1st round to 4th round, you have a point.

Not so much from #25 overall to #36.

Agreed. I once read a study that said each player has a 52% chance of making as many or more pro bowls than the player at his position selected immediately after him (so the first RB selected has a 52% chance of being a better player than the second RB selected). In other words, the chances of the first RB being better than the 8th RB are fantastic... but the odds of the first RB being better than the second RB are pretty weak.

 

[Englishteacher]

OK, take this with a grain of salt but this is a true story and I'll try to follow up on it.

I live in Cary, NC. My Mom is a graphic designer and the mother of Dan Koppen, starting C for the Pats, lives in the neighborhood she lives in. My Mom did some work for a lady in the neighbrhood. Her "side job" is as a photo restorer/designer. This lady referred her to Mrs. Koppen. A season ago, she re-did a picture of the Koppen family on the field at the Super Bowl holding the Lomardi trophy. Some drunk guy ran over and got into the picture holding a beer bottle. These unworthy elements were removed from this timepiece moment by my Mom.

So I'm over at my Mom's pet sitting the day of the draft and right at the end of Round 2 I head out to go play some poker at my brother's house. As I'm leaving, somebody is outside in the neighborhood setiing off bottle rockets. I thought about it awhile and my educated guess is Dan was at his Mom's watching the draft (he went to UNC) and was pretty excited about the pick. God knows they needed a WR or two.

I'll see if I can find out if the Koppen's house is the right one for this story to actually be worth something. Anyways, I think a key player on the O Line is happy to have gotten Jackson which is the gist of this thread; the Pats wanted this guy bad for their squad.

 

[SSOG]

OK, take this with a grain of salt but this is a true story and I'll try to follow up on it.

I live in Cary, NC. My Mom is a graphic designer and the mother of Dan Koppen, starting C for the Pats, lives in the neighborhood she lives in. My Mom did some work for a lady in the neighbrhood. Her "side job" is as a photo restorer/designer. This lady referred her to Mrs. Koppen. A season ago, she re-did a picture of the Koppen family on the field at the Super Bowl holding the Lomardi trophy. Some drunk guy ran over and got into the picture holding a beer bottle. These unworthy elements were removed from this timepiece moment by my Mom.

So I'm over at my Mom's pet sitting the day of the draft and right at the end of Round 2 I head out to go play some poker at my brother's house. As I'm leaving, somebody is outside in the neighborhood setiing off bottle rockets. I thought about it awhile and my educated guess is Dan was at his Mom's watching the draft (he went to UNC) and was pretty excited about the pick. God knows they needed a WR or two.

I'll see if I can find out if the Koppen's house is the right one for this story to actually be worth something. Anyways, I think a key player on the O Line is happy to have gotten Jackson which is the gist of this thread; the Pats wanted this guy bad for their squad.

So in other words... your mom's neighbor referred her to Dan Koppen's mom to touch up a picture of Koppen at the superbowl, and you were at your mom's on draft day, and someone who lived in the same general direction as Dan Koppen's mom set off a bottle rocket, so you predict that not only was Dan Koppen watching the draft at his mother's house (... seriously, at his MOTHER'S HOUSE?!), but that he brought bottle rockets with him, and didn't intend to release them unless he was happy with a certain selection.Or does he perhaps bring bottle rockets with him everywhere, just in case New England winds up with a WR at some point?

I'm sorry, this story seems a little bit... lacking substance, value, or relevance.

 

[Bad_Mo]

OK, take this with a grain of salt but this is a true story and I'll try to follow up on it.

I live in Cary, NC. My Mom is a graphic designer and the mother of Dan Koppen, starting C for the Pats, lives in the neighborhood she lives in. My Mom did some work for a lady in the neighbrhood. Her "side job" is as a photo restorer/designer. This lady referred her to Mrs. Koppen. A season ago, she re-did a picture of the Koppen family on the field at the Super Bowl holding the Lomardi trophy. Some drunk guy ran over and got into the picture holding a beer bottle. These unworthy elements were removed from this timepiece moment by my Mom.

So I'm over at my Mom's pet sitting the day of the draft and right at the end of Round 2 I head out to go play some poker at my brother's house. As I'm leaving, somebody is outside in the neighborhood setiing off bottle rockets. I thought about it awhile and my educated guess is Dan was at his Mom's watching the draft (he went to UNC) and was pretty excited about the pick. God knows they needed a WR or two.

I'll see if I can find out if the Koppen's house is the right one for this story to actually be worth something. Anyways, I think a key player on the O Line is happy to have gotten Jackson which is the gist of this thread; the Pats wanted this guy bad for their squad.

Ah......Koppen went to Boston College, not UNC.

 

[Englishteacher]

OK, take this with a grain of salt but this is a true story and I'll try to follow up on it.

I live in Cary, NC. My Mom is a graphic designer and the mother of Dan Koppen, starting C for the Pats, lives in the neighborhood she lives in. My Mom did some work for a lady in the neighbrhood. Her "side job" is as a photo restorer/designer. This lady referred her to Mrs. Koppen. A season ago, she re-did a picture of the Koppen family on the field at the Super Bowl holding the Lomardi trophy. Some drunk guy ran over and got into the picture holding a beer bottle. These unworthy elements were removed from this timepiece moment by my Mom.

So I'm over at my Mom's pet sitting the day of the draft and right at the end of Round 2 I head out to go play some poker at my brother's house.  As I'm leaving, somebody is outside in the neighborhood setiing off bottle rockets. I thought about it awhile and my educated guess is Dan was at his Mom's watching the draft (he went to UNC) and was pretty excited about the pick.  God knows they needed a WR or two.

I'll see if I can find out if the Koppen's house is the right one for this story to actually be worth something.    Anyways, I think a key player on the O Line is happy to have gotten Jackson which is the gist of this thread; the Pats wanted this guy bad for their squad.

Ah......Koppen went to Boston College, not UNC.

my bad... I believe he's from NC though

 

[Boston]

Hey, SSOG.  Did you watch his entire career or just last year.  What did Jackson average the previous year?

Yes, I watched his entire career. Yes, he averaged a godly ypr the season before. Yes, I saw that, and am aware of that, and was even thinking he could be a potential Heisman candidate based on 2004 and his 3TD performance against Wyoming. With that said, again, I don't have any memories of Chad Jackson taking over a single game other than Wyoming. That was the only time in 3 years that I saw Chad Jackson simply dominate the competition. Now that he's facing even tougher competition, I expect it will be even tougher for him to dominate.That's really my sticking point. I feel like, if a player is good enough to not just play in the NFL, but to be a potential FIRST ROUND SELECTION, one of the top 32 players in the entire graduating class (plus quality Juniors), then he should have been head-and-shoulders above the rest of his college peers. He should have been a dominant force, able to just overpower the competition, which is by and large of a drastically lower quality. I remember Eli Manning dominating. I remember Jay Cutler dominating. Ronnie Brown and Caddillac Williams dominated. Javon Kearse dominated. Larry Fitzgerald dominated. I don't ever remember Chad Jackson dominating.

I think the split of 1st round WR success to 'failure' is probably about 50/50 and it would be about the same in the 2nd round as well.  Itll come down to attitude, work ethic and luck.  Chad Johnson will have a good attitude working around Brady and Branch and Watson and the rest of those Patriots.  he'll also work hard with this crew.  Will he have the luck to stay healthy and on the field?  I dont know...was he known to miss  alot of playing time while at Florida?  Dont know.  All I know is the guy is big, he runs a 4.3 and now he's going to be able to brought along slowly on a blue collar team with little immediate pressure.  I think I kindof like those variables.

Remember when the thought process was that Terrell Owens would "work hard" with that "crew" in Philadelphia?I think who you are playing with doesn't really influence your work ethic or attitude. Jackson could be playing with Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and Jim Brown, and if he turns out to be a punk, he'll still turn out to be a punk. I mean, how well did "that crew" keep Ty Law in line?

1st round to 4th round, you have a point.

Not so much from #25 overall to #36.

Agreed. I once read a study that said each player has a 52% chance of making as many or more pro bowls than the player at his position selected immediately after him (so the first RB selected has a 52% chance of being a better player than the second RB selected). In other words, the chances of the first RB being better than the 8th RB are fantastic... but the odds of the first RB being better than the second RB are pretty weak.

The Ty Law reference makes no sense. Law is an incredibly hard worker and was always liked by his teammates. He obviously had a contract blowup with BB but that did not spill over to the field or in his relationship with his teammates. It was purely an offseason issue that had zero impact on his teammates.As for the "who you play with" aspect I don't agree with you. Obviously a big time punk is a big time punk. That will never change. Yet, there are a lot of guys in pro sports that have punk tendencies that could also turn out to be a good guy. In many cases the path they travel will be determined by their situation. If they go to a stable situation where discipline and respect are demanded the odds of them turning out to be good guys is far, far greater than going to an unstable situation where discipline isn't demanded. One of the greatest assets of the current Patriot organization is their lockerroom. Almost every new players comes in and makes a comment about how this team has an incredible group of guys who are on the same page and are committed to working as hard as possible in a very professional manner. This type of atmosphere in most cases will only be a positive influence on a young player. The Patriots have an incredible work ethic and there is absolutely no doubt that it is contagious.

This is no accident...it's all by design from BB/Pioli.

 

[Boston]

OK, take this with a grain of salt but this is a true story and I'll try to follow up on it.

I live in Cary, NC. My Mom is a graphic designer and the mother of Dan Koppen, starting C for the Pats, lives in the neighborhood she lives in. My Mom did some work for a lady in the neighbrhood. Her "side job" is as a photo restorer/designer. This lady referred her to Mrs. Koppen. A season ago, she re-did a picture of the Koppen family on the field at the Super Bowl holding the Lomardi trophy. Some drunk guy ran over and got into the picture holding a beer bottle. These unworthy elements were removed from this timepiece moment by my Mom.

So I'm over at my Mom's pet sitting the day of the draft and right at the end of Round 2 I head out to go play some poker at my brother's house.  As I'm leaving, somebody is outside in the neighborhood setiing off bottle rockets. I thought about it awhile and my educated guess is Dan was at his Mom's watching the draft (he went to UNC) and was pretty excited about the pick.  God knows they needed a WR or two.

I'll see if I can find out if the Koppen's house is the right one for this story to actually be worth something.    Anyways, I think a key player on the O Line is happy to have gotten Jackson which is the gist of this thread; the Pats wanted this guy bad for their squad.

Ah......Koppen went to Boston College, not UNC.

my bad... I believe he's from NC though

He went to high school in PA.

 

[Englishteacher]

OK, take this with a grain of salt but this is a true story and I'll try to follow up on it.

I live in Cary, NC. My Mom is a graphic designer and the mother of Dan Koppen, starting C for the Pats, lives in the neighborhood she lives in. My Mom did some work for a lady in the neighbrhood. Her "side job" is as a photo restorer/designer. This lady referred her to Mrs. Koppen. A season ago, she re-did a picture of the Koppen family on the field at the Super Bowl holding the Lomardi trophy. Some drunk guy ran over and got into the picture holding a beer bottle. These unworthy elements were removed from this timepiece moment by my Mom.

So I'm over at my Mom's pet sitting the day of the draft and right at the end of Round 2 I head out to go play some poker at my brother's house.  As I'm leaving, somebody is outside in the neighborhood setiing off bottle rockets. I thought about it awhile and my educated guess is Dan was at his Mom's watching the draft (he went to UNC) and was pretty excited about the pick.  God knows they needed a WR or two.

I'll see if I can find out if the Koppen's house is the right one for this story to actually be worth something.    Anyways, I think a key player on the O Line is happy to have gotten Jackson which is the gist of this thread; the Pats wanted this guy bad for their squad.

Ah......Koppen went to Boston College, not UNC.

my bad... I believe he's from NC though

He went to high school in PA.

OK.

 

[Bad_Mo]

It just seemed like there was a very quick outpouring of "homer" cries and people accusing me of "trashing" Jackson as a way of pointing out that I believe the Steelers to be more shrewd drafters than New England.  That was not at all my intent and this response was meant to defuse that.  Everyone here is cool, and you have proven to be very levelheaded with your ensuing posts, so please don't take that personally.

Its all good. I don't take things personal. Like I said, I value your opinion and just wanted to keep the discussion going on a more fruitful level. I also wanted to make a statement about something you said earlier regarding Jackson not being coachable. I heard he had some problems buying into Meyer's system at first, but who wouldn't. He was the outside threat and was now being asked to move inside. He had some problems at 1st, which is probably why people label him soft, but he adapted and became a very productive and versatile WR catching 80+ balls last year. How can someone learn two entirely different offenses and be highly recommened by the coaching staff be labeled as uncoachable? Even if it were true, I doubt teams like Pitt or NE would have any problem coaching this kid since you would have to be pretty dumb not to buy into those proven systems.

Hey, SSOG. Did you watch his entire career or just last year. What did Jackson average the previous year?

Read that post again. I didn't say he was uncoachable, I was responding to the guy(s) that were saying that the reason his draft stock slipped was because he didn't run crisp routes and couldn't learn complex NFL offenses. I agree with you 100% - I have heard nothing but good things about his attitude and coachability, and his ability to pick up Meyer's complex spread offense would bear that out. That was my whole point - with his talent, he wouldn't have dropped to #36 because of flaws in his game that could be coached out at the NFL level, IMO, there had to be some other caveat GMs/scouts saw that caused a lot of teams to pass on someone with his measurables.

EG...you're biggest beef with Jackson seems to be his inability or unwillingness to play "tough." I have not read anything legitimately supporting that argument.I'm not sure if you can take what he did or didn't do in college, where clearly he was more athletic than most of his opponents, and project it to what he will do in the NFL, where he will not be the top dog. If anything, that may force him to play a more physical brand of football in certain situations.

How many times have we seen gifted players skate by on talent alone? The thing noone knows is how Holmes or Jackson will respond to the challenges of the NFL.

 

[Bad_Mo]

OK, take this with a grain of salt but this is a true story and I'll try to follow up on it.

I live in Cary, NC. My Mom is a graphic designer and the mother of Dan Koppen, starting C for the Pats, lives in the neighborhood she lives in. My Mom did some work for a lady in the neighbrhood. Her "side job" is as a photo restorer/designer. This lady referred her to Mrs. Koppen. A season ago, she re-did a picture of the Koppen family on the field at the Super Bowl holding the Lomardi trophy. Some drunk guy ran over and got into the picture holding a beer bottle. These unworthy elements were removed from this timepiece moment by my Mom.

So I'm over at my Mom's pet sitting the day of the draft and right at the end of Round 2 I head out to go play some poker at my brother's house.  As I'm leaving, somebody is outside in the neighborhood setiing off bottle rockets. I thought about it awhile and my educated guess is Dan was at his Mom's watching the draft (he went to UNC) and was pretty excited about the pick.  God knows they needed a WR or two.

I'll see if I can find out if the Koppen's house is the right one for this story to actually be worth something.    Anyways, I think a key player on the O Line is happy to have gotten Jackson which is the gist of this thread; the Pats wanted this guy bad for their squad.

Ah......Koppen went to Boston College, not UNC.

my bad... I believe he's from NC though

He went to high school in PA.

OK.

Now I don't know what to believe about this alleged poker game either.

 

[Thumper]

Maybe, maybe not - we'll never know. No one is bashing the Patriots here - why the hell are you guys SO defensive? I'm talking about a player here - I actually think the Patriots got good value taking him where they did - I am discussing why Chad Jackson fell out of round 1, not comparing the draft acumen of the Steelers and Patriots here.

I also have never disavowed Jackson's upside once. He has tremendous upside, but if he is a wuss, that will hurt him, and would never play in Pittsburgh, where the receivers are asked to play more a more physical brand of football than receivers are on most other teams.

Grin, I've read many of your posts and value your opinion, but please stop with the defensive Pats stuff. There are a few of those guys out there in every fan base, I was just trying to make and make a point. IMO, Jackson's weaknesses are being highlighted by many board members. Why is that defensive?

The Patriots stole this guy.

Nobody is going to even remember David Givens name in 6 months. Givens will be the new David Pattern.

 

[Thumper]

Maybe, maybe not - we'll never know. No one is bashing the Patriots here - why the hell are you guys SO defensive? I'm talking about a player here - I actually think the Patriots got good value taking him where they did - I am discussing why Chad Jackson fell out of round 1, not comparing the draft acumen of the Steelers and Patriots here.

I also have never disavowed Jackson's upside once. He has tremendous upside, but if he is a wuss, that will hurt him, and would never play in Pittsburgh, where the receivers are asked to play more a more physical brand of football than receivers are on most other teams.

Grin, I've read many of your posts and value your opinion, but please stop with the defensive Pats stuff. There are a few of those guys out there in every fan base, I was just trying to make and make a point. IMO, Jackson's weaknesses are being highlighted by many board members. Why is that defensive?

The Patriots stole this guy.

Nobody is going to even remember David Givens name in 6 months. Givens will be the new David Pattern.

 

[Englishteacher]

OK, take this with a grain of salt but this is a true story and I'll try to follow up on it.

I live in Cary, NC. My Mom is a graphic designer and the mother of Dan Koppen, starting C for the Pats, lives in the neighborhood she lives in. My Mom did some work for a lady in the neighbrhood. Her "side job" is as a photo restorer/designer. This lady referred her to Mrs. Koppen. A season ago, she re-did a picture of the Koppen family on the field at the Super Bowl holding the Lomardi trophy. Some drunk guy ran over and got into the picture holding a beer bottle. These unworthy elements were removed from this timepiece moment by my Mom.

So I'm over at my Mom's pet sitting the day of the draft and right at the end of Round 2 I head out to go play some poker at my brother's house.  As I'm leaving, somebody is outside in the neighborhood setiing off bottle rockets. I thought about it awhile and my educated guess is Dan was at his Mom's watching the draft (he went to UNC) and was pretty excited about the pick.  God knows they needed a WR or two.

I'll see if I can find out if the Koppen's house is the right one for this story to actually be worth something.    Anyways, I think a key player on the O Line is happy to have gotten Jackson which is the gist of this thread; the Pats wanted this guy bad for their squad.

Ah......Koppen went to Boston College, not UNC.

my bad... I believe he's from NC though

He went to high school in PA.

OK.

Now I don't know what to believe about this alleged poker game either.

yeah, I'm really just trying to bump up the value on Chad jackson because I know he'll be a bust. In all seriousness though, my Mom did do the picture which I think is pretty sweet. My Mom, who knows nothing about football, has come closer to the Lombardi Trophy in a sport I love than I ever will. And as for that poker game, I lost $10 in Texas 7 Card No limit Hold Em' or whatever you call it. I'm not a good poker player yet.

 

[Englishteacher]

Ah......Koppen went to Boston College, not UNC.

my bad... I believe he's from NC though

He went to high school in PA.

OK.

Not my greatest of Shark Pool moments. Ranks right up there with a "Fat Arnold" post I threw up :X one time.

 

[bostonfred]

I feel like, if a player is good enough to not just play in the NFL, but to be a potential FIRST ROUND SELECTION, one of the top 32 players in the entire graduating class (plus quality Juniors), then he should have been head-and-shoulders above the rest of his college peers.

Jackson wasn't a first round selection.

Remember when the thought process was that Terrell Owens would "work hard" with that "crew" in Philadelphia?

He did work hard. Nobody ever criticized Owens' work ethic in Philadelphia. He was arguably the best receiver in the league during his tenure in Philadelphia (until Reid overreacted).

I think who you are playing with doesn't really influence your work ethic or attitude. Jackson could be playing with Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and Jim Brown, and if he turns out to be a punk, he'll still turn out to be a punk. I mean, how well did "that crew" keep Ty Law in line?

Very well, actually. They went to three Superbowls with him.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Youve also got to keep in mind that the NE coaches will probably never expect Jackson to 'dominate' a game. He may never have done it a single game in college, either. Heck, Im not sure David Givens was ever even a solid WR at Notre Dame. He didnt seem like the dominant type either, but Brady still hit him in the endzone with a TD for 7 or 8 straight playoff games. NE needed a nice role player to fill the Dave Givens role who has some size and some hands. The fact that he runs a 4.3 and can spread the field and run deep on an island with a guy while Deion Branch is being doubled most of the time is an added bonus. Whatever the guy did at Florida at this point doesnt matter. Ike Hillard had a helluva career at UF, and was taken 7th overall. Jackson was taken 36th. This is just one illustration of why NE is getting it done these days.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

It just seemed like there was a very quick outpouring of "homer" cries and people accusing me of "trashing" Jackson as a way of pointing out that I believe the Steelers to be more shrewd drafters than New England.  That was not at all my intent and this response was meant to defuse that.  Everyone here is cool, and you have proven to be very levelheaded with your ensuing posts, so please don't take that personally.

Its all good. I don't take things personal. Like I said, I value your opinion and just wanted to keep the discussion going on a more fruitful level. I also wanted to make a statement about something you said earlier regarding Jackson not being coachable. I heard he had some problems buying into Meyer's system at first, but who wouldn't. He was the outside threat and was now being asked to move inside. He had some problems at 1st, which is probably why people label him soft, but he adapted and became a very productive and versatile WR catching 80+ balls last year. How can someone learn two entirely different offenses and be highly recommened by the coaching staff be labeled as uncoachable? Even if it were true, I doubt teams like Pitt or NE would have any problem coaching this kid since you would have to be pretty dumb not to buy into those proven systems.

Hey, SSOG. Did you watch his entire career or just last year. What did Jackson average the previous year?

Read that post again. I didn't say he was uncoachable, I was responding to the guy(s) that were saying that the reason his draft stock slipped was because he didn't run crisp routes and couldn't learn complex NFL offenses. I agree with you 100% - I have heard nothing but good things about his attitude and coachability, and his ability to pick up Meyer's complex spread offense would bear that out. That was my whole point - with his talent, he wouldn't have dropped to #36 because of flaws in his game that could be coached out at the NFL level, IMO, there had to be some other caveat GMs/scouts saw that caused a lot of teams to pass on someone with his measurables.

EG...you're biggest beef with Jackson seems to be his inability or unwillingness to play "tough." I have not read anything legitimately supporting that argument.I'm not sure if you can take what he did or didn't do in college, where clearly he was more athletic than most of his opponents, and project it to what he will do in the NFL, where he will not be the top dog. If anything, that may force him to play a more physical brand of football in certain situations.

How many times have we seen gifted players skate by on talent alone? The thing noone knows is how Holmes or Jackson will respond to the challenges of the NFL.

That's exactly my point. My posts were simply intended to temper the enthusiasm that could be generated by this report, so people would be aware of all the information for fantasy purposes. I have no beef with Jackson whatsoever, and I wasn't comparing him to Holmes - people began to hypothesize about my intentions based on my being a Steelers fan. IF (and again I stress IF) what I heard prior to the draft is true, it stands to reason that he'd set the world on fire during non-contact drills, all I am saying is let's wait until the guy is playing against defenses looking to knock him silly before we evaluate his potential or begin anointing him the second coming.And yes, the same applies to Holmes, or any other rookie for that matter. I was simply passing along the opinion of a guy who's pretty tuned in to the pulse of GMs across the league.

 

[Borat]

Reid overreacted

 

[Kit Fisto]

Youve also got to keep in mind that the NE coaches will probably never expect Jackson to 'dominate' a game. He may never have done it a single game in college, either. Heck, Im not sure David Givens was ever even a solid WR at Notre Dame. He didnt seem like the dominant type either, but Brady still hit him in the endzone with a TD for 7 or 8 straight playoff games. NE needed a nice role player to fill the Dave Givens role who has some size and some hands. The fact that he runs a 4.3 and can spread the field and run deep on an island with a guy while Deion Branch is being doubled most of the time is an added bonus. Whatever the guy did at Florida at this point doesnt matter. Ike Hillard had a helluva career at UF, and was taken 7th overall. Jackson was taken 36th. This is just one illustration of why NE is getting it done these days.

Also to Thumper who posted we will forget David Givens in six months. I also believe this to be true. We drafted a younger, faster, CHEAPER David Givens. He's not expected to come in here and put up TO/Moss/Holt/Chad/Harrison numbers. He's the #2 to Branch.

 

[SSOG]

I feel like, if a player is good enough to not just play in the NFL, but to be a potential FIRST ROUND SELECTION, one of the top 32 players in the entire graduating class (plus quality Juniors), then he should have been head-and-shoulders above the rest of his college peers.

Jackson wasn't a first round selection.

Tell that to all the New England fans who are talking about what a steal he was, since he was a first-round quality WR.

Youve also got to keep in mind that the NE coaches will probably never expect Jackson to 'dominate' a game. He may never have done it a single game in college, either. Heck, Im not sure David Givens was ever even a solid WR at Notre Dame. He didnt seem like the dominant type either, but Brady still hit him in the endzone with a TD for 7 or 8 straight playoff games. NE needed a nice role player to fill the Dave Givens role who has some size and some hands. The fact that he runs a 4.3 and can spread the field and run deep on an island with a guy while Deion Branch is being doubled most of the time is an added bonus. Whatever the guy did at Florida at this point doesnt matter. Ike Hillard had a helluva career at UF, and was taken 7th overall. Jackson was taken 36th. This is just one illustration of why NE is getting it done these days.

Actually, this isn't an illustration of why New England is getting it done these days. This is just an illustration of how New England drafted a player in the second round. If he turns out to be the second coming of Jerry Rice, then New England will have really "gotten it done". If he turns out to be the second coming of Freddie Mitchell, then New England fans will suddenly stop singing that "1st-round caliber WR" tune and "steal of the draft" tune that they've been singing.Judging a player less than a month after he was drafted is just asinine. Four or five years from now, if you want to talk about what a "steal" New England got, then I'll be more than willing to.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

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[SoloMatisse]

I feel like, if a player is good enough to not just play in the NFL, but to be a potential FIRST ROUND SELECTION, one of the top 32 players in the entire graduating class (plus quality Juniors), then he should have been head-and-shoulders above the rest of his college peers.

Jackson wasn't a first round selection.

Tell that to all the New England fans who are talking about what a steal he was, since he was a first-round quality WR.

Youve also got to keep in mind that the NE coaches will probably never expect Jackson to 'dominate' a game.  He may never have done it a single game in college, either.  Heck, Im not sure David Givens was ever even a solid WR at Notre Dame.  He didnt seem like the dominant type either, but Brady still hit him in the endzone with a TD for 7 or 8 straight playoff games.   NE needed a nice role player to fill the Dave Givens role who has some size and some hands.  The fact that he runs a 4.3 and can spread the field and run deep on an island with a guy while Deion Branch is being doubled most of the time is an added bonus.  Whatever the guy did at Florida at this point doesnt matter.  Ike Hillard had a helluva career at UF, and was taken 7th overall.  Jackson was taken 36th.   This is just one illustration of why NE is getting it done these days.

Actually, this isn't an illustration of why New England is getting it done these days. This is just an illustration of how New England drafted a player in the second round. If he turns out to be the second coming of Jerry Rice, then New England will have really "gotten it done". If he turns out to be the second coming of Freddie Mitchell, then New England fans will suddenly stop singing that "1st-round caliber WR" tune and "steal of the draft" tune that they've been singing.Judging a player less than a month after he was drafted is just asinine. Four or five years from now, if you want to talk about what a "steal" New England got, then I'll be more than willing to.

HATER in the house. Is the word 'steal' in my post? Your commentary is a bit asinine. And who in any world that you know tries to wait 4 or 5 years to judge a guy's POTENTIAL? Im not willing to talk about anything with you, slick. just keep your hating to yourself. And, if you dont think New England isnt getting it done these days in the draft and with their program, either you dont watch football or youre just sleeping too much.

 

[Kai's Hero]

This is just minicamps, but its good to know he's practicing well. I don't expect him to contribute to my Patriots this season moreso than Branch or Watson, but I'm guessing by next year he'll be putting up Chad Johnson type numbers (90 receptions, 1300 yards, 8 - 10 TDs).

People like to believe that the Patriots system doesn't allow for 1,000 yard receivers, but thats not the case at all. Brady will throw to whoever gets open; Troy Brown in Brady's first season had 100 receptions and 1100 yards. Chad Jackson seems to have all the needed measurables (6'1" size, 190 lbs, 4.3 speed) and the hands to back it up (doesn't drop anything thrown at him). His biggest hurdle is going to be running routes. That's something that Branch is amazing at, and the reason he leads the Patriots in yardage every season. If the coaching staff can force him into running only good routes, he'll be Brady's go to guy.

I'm glad to hear that Chad Jackson is doing well, even if it is only minicamps, but perhaps some perspective is needed here.Chad Jackson averaged 10 yards per reception last season in Florida. Yes, he's really really fast, and yes, he's a "deep threat", but he was really really fast and supposedly a deep threat last season, too... and he averaged 10 yards per reception (90 receptions, 900 yards, and either 6 or 7 TDs). This is against "inferior" competition, and as the #1, #2, and #3 option in the passing game. I suppose you could claim that he was constantly double-teamed (which he was), but if he can't handle double teams by inferior college CBs, I have a hard time seeing him handle them by NFL CBs- and if you're putting up Chad Johnson type numbers, you're seeing double teams.

Now, I sincerely hope I'm wrong, because it's always nice to see Florida guys make it big, but I've maintained a healthy skepticism about how Jackson is going to react to NFL-caliber CBs. Minicamps are nice, but don't answer that question at all.

Actually it was only about 8.7 YPC. Telling stat.

 

[Bri]

saw at boston.com or patriots.com that reche is looking like the starter opposite branch. Just an FYI, figure this will be a TC battle

 

[SSOG]

I feel like, if a player is good enough to not just play in the NFL, but to be a potential FIRST ROUND SELECTION, one of the top 32 players in the entire graduating class (plus quality Juniors), then he should have been head-and-shoulders above the rest of his college peers.

Jackson wasn't a first round selection.

Tell that to all the New England fans who are talking about what a steal he was, since he was a first-round quality WR.

Youve also got to keep in mind that the NE coaches will probably never expect Jackson to 'dominate' a game. He may never have done it a single game in college, either. Heck, Im not sure David Givens was ever even a solid WR at Notre Dame. He didnt seem like the dominant type either, but Brady still hit him in the endzone with a TD for 7 or 8 straight playoff games. NE needed a nice role player to fill the Dave Givens role who has some size and some hands. The fact that he runs a 4.3 and can spread the field and run deep on an island with a guy while Deion Branch is being doubled most of the time is an added bonus. Whatever the guy did at Florida at this point doesnt matter. Ike Hillard had a helluva career at UF, and was taken 7th overall. Jackson was taken 36th. This is just one illustration of why NE is getting it done these days.

Actually, this isn't an illustration of why New England is getting it done these days. This is just an illustration of how New England drafted a player in the second round. If he turns out to be the second coming of Jerry Rice, then New England will have really "gotten it done". If he turns out to be the second coming of Freddie Mitchell, then New England fans will suddenly stop singing that "1st-round caliber WR" tune and "steal of the draft" tune that they've been singing.Judging a player less than a month after he was drafted is just asinine. Four or five years from now, if you want to talk about what a "steal" New England got, then I'll be more than willing to.

HATER in the house. Is the word 'steal' in my post? Your commentary is a bit asinine. And who in any world that you know tries to wait 4 or 5 years to judge a guy's POTENTIAL? Im not willing to talk about anything with you, slick. just keep your hating to yourself. And, if you dont think New England isnt getting it done these days in the draft and with their program, either you dont watch football or youre just sleeping too much.

First off, if you never mentioned the word "steal", then I obviously wasn't referring to you when I said "New England fans who are calling Jackson a 'steal'", now was I? Stop and think about it for a second, there.Second off, you weren't talking about "potential", you were talking about "getting it done". New England hasn't gotten *ANYTHING* "done" at this point. They've drafted a WR. Lots of franchises have done the same thing, only to have him become a bust. Did those franchises "get it done", too?

Third off, why am I a hater? Because I want to see him produce at any level before calling him a productive WR? Like I said, I'm a fan of The Chad, and I would love to see a UF WR succeed. Is that "hating" on him? And do you not want to talk to me just because my opinion differs from yours? Well then why the hell are you on a football message board? If you want to talk to people who only agree with you, why not just email yourself about how great you are? Seriously, grow up.

Fourth off, I'm sick and tired of those people who assume that every move New England makes is an example of them "getting it done". New England makes mistakes in player evaluation, just like any other franchise. In 2001, New England spent SEVEN CONSECUTIVE DRAFT PICKS on players who were out of the sport of football within 4 seasons. Is that an example of "getting it done"?

Or perhaps you would like some more recent history? Two words. Duane Starks. End of discussion.

 

[Kleck.]

Chad Jackson, WR NE

News: Patriots.com reports that rookie WR Chad Jackson (hamstring) has missed all but three days of camp and isn't expected to play in the team's preseason game vs. Arizona. The Patriots really need Jackson healthy since the team is so thin at the receiver position.

Analysis: The site went on to call Jackson a potential disappointment since he was so behind in getting ready for the season. It's starting to look too shaky for Jackson; he's worth a late-round pick in deeper Fantasy leagues at this point and a second- or third-round pick in dynasty league rookie-only drafts.

It's been close to 3 weeks since he has practiced. Is this just a nagging hamstring injury, or is there something more to it?

 

[Interseptopus]

I feel like, if a player is good enough to not just play in the NFL, but to be a potential FIRST ROUND SELECTION, one of the top 32 players in the entire graduating class (plus quality Juniors), then he should have been head-and-shoulders above the rest of his college peers.

Jackson wasn't a first round selection.

Tell that to all the New England fans who are talking about what a steal he was, since he was a first-round quality WR.

Youve also got to keep in mind that the NE coaches will probably never expect Jackson to 'dominate' a game.  He may never have done it a single game in college, either.  Heck, Im not sure David Givens was ever even a solid WR at Notre Dame.  He didnt seem like the dominant type either, but Brady still hit him in the endzone with a TD for 7 or 8 straight playoff games.  NE needed a nice role player to fill the Dave Givens role who has some size and some hands.  The fact that he runs a 4.3 and can spread the field and run deep on an island with a guy while Deion Branch is being doubled most of the time is an added bonus.  Whatever the guy did at Florida at this point doesnt matter.  Ike Hillard had a helluva career at UF, and was taken 7th overall.  Jackson was taken 36th.  This is just one illustration of why NE is getting it done these days.

Actually, this isn't an illustration of why New England is getting it done these days. This is just an illustration of how New England drafted a player in the second round. If he turns out to be the second coming of Jerry Rice, then New England will have really "gotten it done". If he turns out to be the second coming of Freddie Mitchell, then New England fans will suddenly stop singing that "1st-round caliber WR" tune and "steal of the draft" tune that they've been singing.Judging a player less than a month after he was drafted is just asinine. Four or five years from now, if you want to talk about what a "steal" New England got, then I'll be more than willing to.

HATER in the house. Is the word 'steal' in my post? Your commentary is a bit asinine. And who in any world that you know tries to wait 4 or 5 years to judge a guy's POTENTIAL? Im not willing to talk about anything with you, slick. just keep your hating to yourself. And, if you dont think New England isnt getting it done these days in the draft and with their program, either you dont watch football or youre just sleeping too much.

First off, if you never mentioned the word "steal", then I obviously wasn't referring to you when I said "New England fans who are calling Jackson a 'steal'", now was I? Stop and think about it for a second, there.Second off, you weren't talking about "potential", you were talking about "getting it done". New England hasn't gotten *ANYTHING* "done" at this point. They've drafted a WR. Lots of franchises have done the same thing, only to have him become a bust. Did those franchises "get it done", too?

Third off, why am I a hater? Because I want to see him produce at any level before calling him a productive WR? Like I said, I'm a fan of The Chad, and I would love to see a UF WR succeed. Is that "hating" on him? And do you not want to talk to me just because my opinion differs from yours? Well then why the hell are you on a football message board? If you want to talk to people who only agree with you, why not just email yourself about how great you are? Seriously, grow up.

Fourth off, I'm sick and tired of those people who assume that every move New England makes is an example of them "getting it done". New England makes mistakes in player evaluation, just like any other franchise. In 2001, New England spent SEVEN CONSECUTIVE DRAFT PICKS on players who were out of the sport of football within 4 seasons. Is that an example of "getting it done"?

Or perhaps you would like some more recent history? Two words. Duane Starks. End of discussion.

SSOG, getting it done back in June. I LIKE IT! Damn me and this guy gotta get together for a beer

 

[BigTex]

Chad Jackson, WR NE

News: Patriots.com reports that rookie WR Chad Jackson (hamstring) has missed all but three days of camp and isn't expected to play in the team's preseason game vs. Arizona. The Patriots really need Jackson healthy since the team is so thin at the receiver position.

Analysis: The site went on to call Jackson a potential disappointment since he was so behind in getting ready for the season. It's starting to look too shaky for Jackson; he's worth a late-round pick in deeper Fantasy leagues at this point and a second- or third-round pick in dynasty league rookie-only drafts.

It's been close to 3 weeks since he has practiced. Is this just a nagging hamstring injury, or is there something more to it?

I had him slotted at about #15 in rookie drafts.

 

[SSOG]

SSOG, getting it done back in June. I LIKE IT! Damn me and this guy gotta get together for a beer

Only if you're buying.

Chad Jackson, WR NE

News: Patriots.com reports that rookie WR Chad Jackson (hamstring) has missed all but three days of camp and isn't expected to play in the team's preseason game vs. Arizona. The Patriots really need Jackson healthy since the team is so thin at the receiver position.

Analysis: The site went on to call Jackson a potential disappointment since he was so behind in getting ready for the season. It's starting to look too shaky for Jackson; he's worth a late-round pick in deeper Fantasy leagues at this point and a second- or third-round pick in dynasty league rookie-only drafts.

It's been close to 3 weeks since he has practiced. Is this just a nagging hamstring injury, or is there something more to it?

I had him slotted at about #15 in rookie drafts.

Were you really counting on that much from him his rookie year? Missing time will hurt his production this season, but rookie WRs produce so rarely anyway that that's not a big deal. Missing time doesn't hurt his long-term value a bit, so I don't really know why you're all concerned about that, either.Relax. Breathe in. Hold it for a second. Breathe out. Feel better?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Chad Jackson, WR NE

News: Patriots.com reports that rookie WR Chad Jackson (hamstring) has missed all but three days of camp and isn't expected to play in the team's preseason game vs. Arizona. The Patriots really need Jackson healthy since the team is so thin at the receiver position.

Analysis: The site went on to call Jackson a potential disappointment since he was so behind in getting ready for the season. It's starting to look too shaky for Jackson; he's worth a late-round pick in deeper Fantasy leagues at this point and a second- or third-round pick in dynasty league rookie-only drafts.

It's been close to 3 weeks since he has practiced. Is this just a nagging hamstring injury, or is there something more to it?

I told you all he was a wuss.

 

[Interseptopus]

I was pretty bummed when the Packers passed on him and traded with NE... I figured he was the best WR in the draft and I couldn't beleive he fell out of the 1st round.

Then they grabbed Jennings... I'm starting to be a believer in Ted Thompson up there in GB... he knows what he's doing.

Mark my words, Jennings is the most productive rookie WR this season, and will be the highest rated WR from this draft class going into 2007 fantasy football drafts

 

[Fullback Fro]

I was pretty bummed when the Packers passed on him and traded with NE... I figured he was the best WR in the draft and I couldn't beleive he fell out of the 1st round.Then they grabbed Jennings... I'm starting to be a believer in Ted Thompson up there in GB... he knows what he's doing. Mark my words, Jennings is the most productive rookie WR this season, and will be the highest rated WR from this draft class going into 2007 fantasy football drafts

I'll take Vince Jackson

 

[Interseptopus]

I was pretty bummed when the Packers passed on him and traded with NE... I figured he was the best WR in the draft and I couldn't beleive he fell out of the 1st round.Then they grabbed Jennings... I'm starting to be a believer in Ted Thompson up there in GB... he knows what he's doing. Mark my words, Jennings is the most productive rookie WR this season, and will be the highest rated WR from this draft class going into 2007 fantasy football drafts

I'll take Vince Jackson

Ahem.... kiddo Jackson isn't a rookie. He was last season. Please try again

 

[Fullback Fro]

I was pretty bummed when the Packers passed on him and traded with NE... I figured he was the best WR in the draft and I couldn't beleive he fell out of the 1st round.Then they grabbed Jennings... I'm starting to be a believer in Ted Thompson up there in GB... he knows what he's doing. Mark my words, Jennings is the most productive rookie WR this season, and will be the highest rated WR from this draft class going into 2007 fantasy football drafts

I'll take Vince Jackson

Ahem.... kiddo Jackson isn't a rookie. He was last season. Please try again

You are correct. No need to be a prik about it though.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Chad Jackson, WR NE

News: Patriots.com reports that rookie WR Chad Jackson (hamstring) has missed all but three days of camp and isn't expected to play in the team's preseason game vs. Arizona. The Patriots really need Jackson healthy since the team is so thin at the receiver position.

Analysis: The site went on to call Jackson a potential disappointment since he was so behind in getting ready for the season. It's starting to look too shaky for Jackson; he's worth a late-round pick in deeper Fantasy leagues at this point and a second- or third-round pick in dynasty league rookie-only drafts.

It's been close to 3 weeks since he has practiced. Is this just a nagging hamstring injury, or is there something more to it?

I told you all he was a wuss.

 

[The Hank]

Chad Jackson, WR NE

News: Patriots.com reports that rookie WR Chad Jackson (hamstring) has missed all but three days of camp and isn't expected to play in the team's preseason game vs. Arizona. The Patriots really need Jackson healthy since the team is so thin at the receiver position.

Analysis: The site went on to call Jackson a potential disappointment since he was so behind in getting ready for the season. It's starting to look too shaky for Jackson; he's worth a late-round pick in deeper Fantasy leagues at this point and a second- or third-round pick in dynasty league rookie-only drafts.

It's been close to 3 weeks since he has practiced. Is this just a nagging hamstring injury, or is there something more to it?

I told you all he was a wuss.

Thank GOODNESS the Steelers took Santonio Holmes over Chad Jackson.

 

[NorrisB]

He will miss the first 6 games of the season as he was put on the PUP