WR Deebo Samuel, WAS (1 Viewer)

[travdogg]

So reports are NE and Buffalo showing interest. Talk about a massive swing in his value if he goes to one of those versus the other.

What an upgrade for Buffalo and Allen if true

He'd be a great fit in Buffalo. I'd feel bad for him if he went to New England.

I'm not sure NE would be a bad landing spot. He'd be the centerpiece of the offense, and maybe Maye is really good. Buffalo would be better though.

ETA: Still not seeing any reason to trade either Deebo or Aiyuk though.

I just have this feeling that the offense would be sluggish and deebo would get a nagging injury and his career (as a superstar) would be pretty much done...maybe it's just my past vision of the Pats clouding my judgement

It potentially would increase the chance of injury with more work.

If Deebo does get dealt, the big winner for fantasy would be Kittle. He was TE1 when Deebo missed those few games last year, and I don't see Pearsall making anywhere near Deebo's impact in year 1, or probably ever, as Deebo is a special/unique player.

 

[jm192]

I like him to the tune of WR14 in 0.5 PPR. I like him more than Aiyuk.

I think he’s got a really high floor due to the rushing attempts and TD’s. I think 1100-1200 total yards and 8-9 TDs is a safe bet. There’s room for more if he can stay healthy for a full season.

 

[travdogg]

I like him to the tune of WR14 in 0.5 PPR. I like him more than Aiyuk.

I think he’s got a really high floor due to the rushing attempts and TD’s. I think 1100-1200 total yards and 8-9 TDs is a safe bet. There’s room for more if he can stay healthy for a full season.

I'm probably even slightly higher than that. Other than 2022, I think Deebo has been and continues to be perpetually underrated. He's 1 of 1 in terms of uniqueness and I think that sometimes hurts his perceived value. He's a lock to score several rushing TDs and have a good chunk of rushing yards too. He was WR6 in PPG last season, and that was with having a couple games where he was active, but a clear decoy, and we knew that going in and should have sat him those weeks.

I don't think the Pearsall pick makes much difference to Deebo (or Aiyuk) this season. I also think SF continues to add a little bit more to Brock Purdy's plate. I'll project Deebo for:

100 targets
70 catches
950 yards
6 TD catches

40 carries
250 yards
4 rush TDs

I've got him WR9, and I assume he'll be among my most drafted players. I think Aiyuk will do more as a receiver, but Deebo's rushing makes him the more valuable player in my eyes.

 

[dipandglide]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

I can’t disagree with this.

 

[thecatch]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

This is basically a walk year for him given how his contract is structured. If he's got 1 more big year in him, it will be this year, IMO.

 

[Biabreakable]

H

I like him to the tune of WR14 in 0.5 PPR. I like him more than Aiyuk.

I think he’s got a really high floor due to the rushing attempts and TD’s. I think 1100-1200 total yards and 8-9 TDs is a safe bet. There’s room for more if he can stay healthy for a full season.

I'm probably even slightly higher than that. Other than 2022, I think Deebo has been and continues to be perpetually underrated. He's 1 of 1 in terms of uniqueness and I think that sometimes hurts his perceived value. He's a lock to score several rushing TDs and have a good chunk of rushing yards too. He was WR6 in PPG last season, and that was with having a couple games where he was active, but a clear decoy, and we knew that going in and should have sat him those weeks.

I don't think the Pearsall pick makes much difference to Deebo (or Aiyuk) this season. I also think SF continues to add a little bit more to Brock Purdy's plate. I'll project Deebo for:

100 targets
70 catches
950 yards
6 TD catches

40 carries
250 yards
4 rush TDs

I've got him WR9, and I assume he'll be among my most drafted players. I think Aiyuk will do more as a receiver, but Deebo's rushing makes him the more valuable player in my eyes.

Deebo was WR #10 in PPG in 2023 not #6. He was WR 15 in total points.

He has only had 100 or more targets once in his career and his career catch rate is 66% not 70%

 

[jm192]

H

I like him to the tune of WR14 in 0.5 PPR. I like him more than Aiyuk.

I think he’s got a really high floor due to the rushing attempts and TD’s. I think 1100-1200 total yards and 8-9 TDs is a safe bet. There’s room for more if he can stay healthy for a full season.

I'm probably even slightly higher than that. Other than 2022, I think Deebo has been and continues to be perpetually underrated. He's 1 of 1 in terms of uniqueness and I think that sometimes hurts his perceived value. He's a lock to score several rushing TDs and have a good chunk of rushing yards too. He was WR6 in PPG last season, and that was with having a couple games where he was active, but a clear decoy, and we knew that going in and should have sat him those weeks.

I don't think the Pearsall pick makes much difference to Deebo (or Aiyuk) this season. I also think SF continues to add a little bit more to Brock Purdy's plate. I'll project Deebo for:

100 targets
70 catches
950 yards
6 TD catches

40 carries
250 yards
4 rush TDs

I've got him WR9, and I assume he'll be among my most drafted players. I think Aiyuk will do more as a receiver, but Deebo's rushing makes him the more valuable player in my eyes.

Deebo was WR #10 in PPG in 2023 not #6. He was WR 15 in total points.

He has only had 100 or more targets once in his career and his career catch rate is 66% not 70%

Looking at Yahoo,

He finished as WR12 in 0.5 PPR.

I can’t pull up PPG data, but if you extrapolated Deebo’s numbers to 17 games, he would have finished as WR6 just behind Mike Evans.

 

[Biabreakable]

H

I like him to the tune of WR14 in 0.5 PPR. I like him more than Aiyuk.

I think he’s got a really high floor due to the rushing attempts and TD’s. I think 1100-1200 total yards and 8-9 TDs is a safe bet. There’s room for more if he can stay healthy for a full season.

I'm probably even slightly higher than that. Other than 2022, I think Deebo has been and continues to be perpetually underrated. He's 1 of 1 in terms of uniqueness and I think that sometimes hurts his perceived value. He's a lock to score several rushing TDs and have a good chunk of rushing yards too. He was WR6 in PPG last season, and that was with having a couple games where he was active, but a clear decoy, and we knew that going in and should have sat him those weeks.

I don't think the Pearsall pick makes much difference to Deebo (or Aiyuk) this season. I also think SF continues to add a little bit more to Brock Purdy's plate. I'll project Deebo for:

100 targets
70 catches
950 yards
6 TD catches

40 carries
250 yards
4 rush TDs

I've got him WR9, and I assume he'll be among my most drafted players. I think Aiyuk will do more as a receiver, but Deebo's rushing makes him the more valuable player in my eyes.

Deebo was WR #10 in PPG in 2023 not #6. He was WR 15 in total points.

He has only had 100 or more targets once in his career and his career catch rate is 66% not 70%

Looking at Yahoo,

He finished as WR12 in 0.5 PPR.

I can’t pull up PPG data, but if you extrapolated Deebo’s numbers to 17 games, he would have finished as WR6 just behind Mike Evans.

Easy to find here at FBGs or other sources like Espn.

If you are going to pro rate games you cant do that for only Deebo. You need to do that for every player.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

This is basically a walk year for him given how his contract is structured. If he's got 1 more big year in him, it will be this year, IMO.

I acquired him somewhat affordably to go for another ‘ship in a 16 team league I just won.

I think he has a big year in store. The addition of Pearsall should in theory open up holes in the offense for CMC & Deebo to do their thing. Presnap motion should be much more effective with another quality route runner.

I know the theme in here is “sell high”, but from what I’ve seen in trades, Deebo is actually a bit of a buy-low for a win-now dynasty team. His age & the perception that he can’t stay healthy might make some shareholders nervous - I think Deebo has plenty of quality play left in him.

Just needs to be the right fit. I’m not buying him on my younger team, but for the one that just won a ‘ship, he’s one more upper tier scorer at Flex for me. Having lost Fields in SF, I tried for a solid month to acquire any of the lower tier QBs, and failed. So instead I went after older WR like Deebo + McLaurin. IMO they have as much chance at 15-25 in my SF slot as Levis, Geno, etc.

Deebo is in a walk year, as some have pointed out. I can see a case where there could be more incentive for him to play through bumps & bruises because of that.

And if he moves on from the 49ers, maybe his future team will use him less on the ground, which could extend his career.

Maybe I’m on an island, but I’m still high on Deebo from a FF perspective. He’s certainly a unique talent.

 

[jm192]

H

I like him to the tune of WR14 in 0.5 PPR. I like him more than Aiyuk.

I think he’s got a really high floor due to the rushing attempts and TD’s. I think 1100-1200 total yards and 8-9 TDs is a safe bet. There’s room for more if he can stay healthy for a full season.

I'm probably even slightly higher than that. Other than 2022, I think Deebo has been and continues to be perpetually underrated. He's 1 of 1 in terms of uniqueness and I think that sometimes hurts his perceived value. He's a lock to score several rushing TDs and have a good chunk of rushing yards too. He was WR6 in PPG last season, and that was with having a couple games where he was active, but a clear decoy, and we knew that going in and should have sat him those weeks.

I don't think the Pearsall pick makes much difference to Deebo (or Aiyuk) this season. I also think SF continues to add a little bit more to Brock Purdy's plate. I'll project Deebo for:

100 targets
70 catches
950 yards
6 TD catches

40 carries
250 yards
4 rush TDs

I've got him WR9, and I assume he'll be among my most drafted players. I think Aiyuk will do more as a receiver, but Deebo's rushing makes him the more valuable player in my eyes.

Deebo was WR #10 in PPG in 2023 not #6. He was WR 15 in total points.

He has only had 100 or more targets once in his career and his career catch rate is 66% not 70%

Looking at Yahoo,

He finished as WR12 in 0.5 PPR.

I can’t pull up PPG data, but if you extrapolated Deebo’s numbers to 17 games, he would have finished as WR6 just behind Mike Evans.

Easy to find here at FBGs or other sources like Espn.

If you are going to pro rate games you cant do that for only Deebo. You need to do that for every player.

Sure.

I think we’re missing the actual point. Mike Evans finished as WR5 with 243 points. Deebo would have had 242 in 17 games. So while a few others may have stayed ahead of Deebo, he was right in line with a top 5 season.

So, if your goal is to say "DEEBO WAS NOT TOP 6." I'll concede. I'm out. I don't care. You're right.

The point that matters: Deebo scored virtually the same as Mike Evans (who finished WR5) on a PPG basis. He has elite upside.

 

[Biabreakable]

H

I like him to the tune of WR14 in 0.5 PPR. I like him more than Aiyuk.

I think he’s got a really high floor due to the rushing attempts and TD’s. I think 1100-1200 total yards and 8-9 TDs is a safe bet. There’s room for more if he can stay healthy for a full season.

I'm probably even slightly higher than that. Other than 2022, I think Deebo has been and continues to be perpetually underrated. He's 1 of 1 in terms of uniqueness and I think that sometimes hurts his perceived value. He's a lock to score several rushing TDs and have a good chunk of rushing yards too. He was WR6 in PPG last season, and that was with having a couple games where he was active, but a clear decoy, and we knew that going in and should have sat him those weeks.

I don't think the Pearsall pick makes much difference to Deebo (or Aiyuk) this season. I also think SF continues to add a little bit more to Brock Purdy's plate. I'll project Deebo for:

100 targets
70 catches
950 yards
6 TD catches

40 carries
250 yards
4 rush TDs

I've got him WR9, and I assume he'll be among my most drafted players. I think Aiyuk will do more as a receiver, but Deebo's rushing makes him the more valuable player in my eyes.

Deebo was WR #10 in PPG in 2023 not #6. He was WR 15 in total points.

He has only had 100 or more targets once in his career and his career catch rate is 66% not 70%

Looking at Yahoo,

He finished as WR12 in 0.5 PPR.

I can’t pull up PPG data, but if you extrapolated Deebo’s numbers to 17 games, he would have finished as WR6 just behind Mike Evans.

Easy to find here at FBGs or other sources like Espn.

If you are going to pro rate games you cant do that for only Deebo. You need to do that for every player.

Sure.

I think we’re missing the actual point. Mike Evans finished as WR5 with 243 points. Deebo would have had 242 in 17 games. So while a few others may have stayed ahead of Deebo, he was right in line with a top 5 season.

Where we have a disconnect is that your line of reasoning almost never comes to fruition.

Its mental gymnastics.

He was WR 10 in PPG which is already giving him the benefit of the doubt for missee games. If you have those other 9 players play 17 games he would still be WR 10. Not 5.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

This is basically a walk year for him given how his contract is structured. If he's got 1 more big year in him, it will be this year, IMO.

I acquired him somewhat affordably to go for another ‘ship in a 16 team league I just won.

I think he has a big year in store. The addition of Pearsall should in theory open up holes in the offense for CMC & Deebo to do their thing. Presnap motion should be much more effective with another quality route runner.

I know the theme in here is “sell high”, but from what I’ve seen in trades, Deebo is actually a bit of a buy-low for a win-now dynasty team. His age & the perception that he can’t stay healthy might make some shareholders nervous - I think Deebo has plenty of quality play left in him.

Just needs to be the right fit. I’m not buying him on my younger team, but for the one that just won a ‘ship, he’s one more upper tier scorer at Flex for me. Having lost Fields in SF, I tried for a solid month to acquire any of the lower tier QBs, and failed. So instead I went after older WR like Deebo + McLaurin. IMO they have as much chance at 15-25 in my SF slot as Levis, Geno, etc.

Deebo is in a walk year, as some have pointed out. I can see a case where there could be more incentive for him to play through bumps & bruises because of that.

And if he moves on from the 49ers, maybe his future team will use him less on the ground, which could extend his career.

Maybe I’m on an island, but I’m still high on Deebo from a FF perspective. He’s certainly a unique talent.

In my opinion, he could be a buy-low with significant risks—not just injury, but being traded to a team that won't scheme up plays for him because of his unique talents or won't be able to like Kyle has and can. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and the Niners seem "heck-bent" on trading either Deebo or Aiyuk. It is an interesting situation that has uncertainty married to it. If the Niners continue the offense and schemes of the past and Deebo is there, he could be terrific in 2024, should he stay healthy, which is another added caveat to Deebo. I find that Deebo managers still want Deebo prices from three years ago. He is 28, and what makes him good also worsens the age factor. He has been used almost as a Wide Receiver/RB hybrid. How much does he have left? How much tread on the tire or gas in the tank? This makes him a buy lower than what Deebo managers will want to let him go for. Deebo is more of a hold than a buy or sell.

 

[jm192]

H

I like him to the tune of WR14 in 0.5 PPR. I like him more than Aiyuk.

I think he’s got a really high floor due to the rushing attempts and TD’s. I think 1100-1200 total yards and 8-9 TDs is a safe bet. There’s room for more if he can stay healthy for a full season.

I'm probably even slightly higher than that. Other than 2022, I think Deebo has been and continues to be perpetually underrated. He's 1 of 1 in terms of uniqueness and I think that sometimes hurts his perceived value. He's a lock to score several rushing TDs and have a good chunk of rushing yards too. He was WR6 in PPG last season, and that was with having a couple games where he was active, but a clear decoy, and we knew that going in and should have sat him those weeks.

I don't think the Pearsall pick makes much difference to Deebo (or Aiyuk) this season. I also think SF continues to add a little bit more to Brock Purdy's plate. I'll project Deebo for:

100 targets
70 catches
950 yards
6 TD catches

40 carries
250 yards
4 rush TDs

I've got him WR9, and I assume he'll be among my most drafted players. I think Aiyuk will do more as a receiver, but Deebo's rushing makes him the more valuable player in my eyes.

Deebo was WR #10 in PPG in 2023 not #6. He was WR 15 in total points.

He has only had 100 or more targets once in his career and his career catch rate is 66% not 70%

Looking at Yahoo,

He finished as WR12 in 0.5 PPR.

I can’t pull up PPG data, but if you extrapolated Deebo’s numbers to 17 games, he would have finished as WR6 just behind Mike Evans.

Easy to find here at FBGs or other sources like Espn.

If you are going to pro rate games you cant do that for only Deebo. You need to do that for every player.

Sure.

I think we’re missing the actual point. Mike Evans finished as WR5 with 243 points. Deebo would have had 242 in 17 games. So while a few others may have stayed ahead of Deebo, he was right in line with a top 5 season.

Where we have a disconnect is that your line of reasoning almost never comes to fruition.

Its mental gymnastics.

He was WR 10 in PPG which is already giving him the benefit of the doubt for missee games. If you have those other 9 players play 17 games he would still be WR 10. Not 5.

I think you're super focused on being "right" about where they finished. You're right. you won that debate. Good job. You're a smart dude.

Deebo finished 0.5 PPG behind the #5 WR on a PPG basis (Nico Collins). I guess I'm thinking that when the separation is that thin, that Deebo missed top 5 by a hair, not a mile.

But make no mistake. You won the "where they finished" debate. I found the data. You are correct. I don't want to spend another second arguing about it. Certainly don't want to be accused of mental gymnastics.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

This is basically a walk year for him given how his contract is structured. If he's got 1 more big year in him, it will be this year, IMO.

I acquired him somewhat affordably to go for another ‘ship in a 16 team league I just won.

I think he has a big year in store. The addition of Pearsall should in theory open up holes in the offense for CMC & Deebo to do their thing. Presnap motion should be much more effective with another quality route runner.

I know the theme in here is “sell high”, but from what I’ve seen in trades, Deebo is actually a bit of a buy-low for a win-now dynasty team. His age & the perception that he can’t stay healthy might make some shareholders nervous - I think Deebo has plenty of quality play left in him.

Just needs to be the right fit. I’m not buying him on my younger team, but for the one that just won a ‘ship, he’s one more upper tier scorer at Flex for me. Having lost Fields in SF, I tried for a solid month to acquire any of the lower tier QBs, and failed. So instead I went after older WR like Deebo + McLaurin. IMO they have as much chance at 15-25 in my SF slot as Levis, Geno, etc.

Deebo is in a walk year, as some have pointed out. I can see a case where there could be more incentive for him to play through bumps & bruises because of that.

And if he moves on from the 49ers, maybe his future team will use him less on the ground, which could extend his career.

Maybe I’m on an island, but I’m still high on Deebo from a FF perspective. He’s certainly a unique talent.

In my opinion, he could be a buy-low with significant risks—not just injury, but being traded to a team that won't scheme up plays for him because of his unique talents or won't be able to like Kyle has and can. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and the Niners seem "heck-bent" on trading either Deebo or Aiyuk. It is an interesting situation that has uncertainty married to it. If the Niners continue the offense and schemes of the past and Deebo is there, he could be terrific in 2024, should he stay healthy, which is another added caveat to Deebo. I find that Deebo managers still want Deebo prices from three years ago. He is 28, and what makes him good also worsens the age factor. He has been used almost as a Wide Receiver/RB hybrid. How much does he have left? How much tread on the tire or gas in the tank? This makes him a buy lower than what Deebo managers will want to let him go for. Deebo is more of a hold than a buy or sell.

I’m of the opinion that Deebo will be good on any team. Shanahan is creative, but I’m not willing to give him all the credit for Samuel’s production.

Put Deebo on the Bills or Chiefs, and he’s going to be just as, if not more valuable. So long as it’s a competent offense & above average QB, he can do damage from anywhere on the field,

And as I’d said previously, a move to another team might add more longevity, since most teams likely wouldn’t use him as a “wideback”

Anyway, I knew I’d be on an island with this take. It’s cool - it’s a fun discussion. He’s a super unique player in a unique situation.

And FWIW, I don’t think the 49ers are trading any WR this season.

 

[dipandglide]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

This is basically a walk year for him given how his contract is structured. If he's got 1 more big year in him, it will be this year, IMO.

I acquired him somewhat affordably to go for another ‘ship in a 16 team league I just won.

I think he has a big year in store. The addition of Pearsall should in theory open up holes in the offense for CMC & Deebo to do their thing. Presnap motion should be much more effective with another quality route runner.

I know the theme in here is “sell high”, but from what I’ve seen in trades, Deebo is actually a bit of a buy-low for a win-now dynasty team. His age & the perception that he can’t stay healthy might make some shareholders nervous - I think Deebo has plenty of quality play left in him.

Just needs to be the right fit. I’m not buying him on my younger team, but for the one that just won a ‘ship, he’s one more upper tier scorer at Flex for me. Having lost Fields in SF, I tried for a solid month to acquire any of the lower tier QBs, and failed. So instead I went after older WR like Deebo + McLaurin. IMO they have as much chance at 15-25 in my SF slot as Levis, Geno, etc.

Deebo is in a walk year, as some have pointed out. I can see a case where there could be more incentive for him to play through bumps & bruises because of that.

And if he moves on from the 49ers, maybe his future team will use him less on the ground, which could extend his career.

Maybe I’m on an island, but I’m still high on Deebo from a FF perspective. He’s certainly a unique talent.

I try to evaluate guys based on two—to three-year windows, not one-year windows. Buying vets for win-now teams is fine if the price is right. However, if I need the points, I'd prefer to wait and invest in vets in season. There's nothing worse than investing in a vet now, and he gets hurt during the offseason or in the early weeks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

This is basically a walk year for him given how his contract is structured. If he's got 1 more big year in him, it will be this year, IMO.

I acquired him somewhat affordably to go for another ‘ship in a 16 team league I just won.

I think he has a big year in store. The addition of Pearsall should in theory open up holes in the offense for CMC & Deebo to do their thing. Presnap motion should be much more effective with another quality route runner.

I know the theme in here is “sell high”, but from what I’ve seen in trades, Deebo is actually a bit of a buy-low for a win-now dynasty team. His age & the perception that he can’t stay healthy might make some shareholders nervous - I think Deebo has plenty of quality play left in him.

Just needs to be the right fit. I’m not buying him on my younger team, but for the one that just won a ‘ship, he’s one more upper tier scorer at Flex for me. Having lost Fields in SF, I tried for a solid month to acquire any of the lower tier QBs, and failed. So instead I went after older WR like Deebo + McLaurin. IMO they have as much chance at 15-25 in my SF slot as Levis, Geno, etc.

Deebo is in a walk year, as some have pointed out. I can see a case where there could be more incentive for him to play through bumps & bruises because of that.

And if he moves on from the 49ers, maybe his future team will use him less on the ground, which could extend his career.

Maybe I’m on an island, but I’m still high on Deebo from a FF perspective. He’s certainly a unique talent.

I try to evaluate guys based on two—to three-year windows, not one-year windows. Buying vets for win-now teams is fine if the price is right. However, if I need the points, I'd prefer to wait and invest in vets in season. There's nothing worse than investing in a vet now, and he gets hurt during the offseason or in the early weeks.

I do the same, and IMO Deebo easily has 2-3 more years of quality production.

Being scared that a 28 y/o in Adonis-like shape is gonna get hurt in practice is a little odd. if he were 30+ I’d feel differently. You may as well never trade for anyone for the same fear.

 

[travdogg]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

This is basically a walk year for him given how his contract is structured. If he's got 1 more big year in him, it will be this year, IMO.

I acquired him somewhat affordably to go for another ‘ship in a 16 team league I just won.

I think he has a big year in store. The addition of Pearsall should in theory open up holes in the offense for CMC & Deebo to do their thing. Presnap motion should be much more effective with another quality route runner.

I know the theme in here is “sell high”, but from what I’ve seen in trades, Deebo is actually a bit of a buy-low for a win-now dynasty team. His age & the perception that he can’t stay healthy might make some shareholders nervous - I think Deebo has plenty of quality play left in him.

Just needs to be the right fit. I’m not buying him on my younger team, but for the one that just won a ‘ship, he’s one more upper tier scorer at Flex for me. Having lost Fields in SF, I tried for a solid month to acquire any of the lower tier QBs, and failed. So instead I went after older WR like Deebo + McLaurin. IMO they have as much chance at 15-25 in my SF slot as Levis, Geno, etc.

Deebo is in a walk year, as some have pointed out. I can see a case where there could be more incentive for him to play through bumps & bruises because of that.

And if he moves on from the 49ers, maybe his future team will use him less on the ground, which could extend his career.

Maybe I’m on an island, but I’m still high on Deebo from a FF perspective. He’s certainly a unique talent.

In my opinion, he could be a buy-low with significant risks—not just injury, but being traded to a team that won't scheme up plays for him because of his unique talents or won't be able to like Kyle has and can. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and the Niners seem "heck-bent" on trading either Deebo or Aiyuk. It is an interesting situation that has uncertainty married to it. If the Niners continue the offense and schemes of the past and Deebo is there, he could be terrific in 2024, should he stay healthy, which is another added caveat to Deebo. I find that Deebo managers still want Deebo prices from three years ago. He is 28, and what makes him good also worsens the age factor. He has been used almost as a Wide Receiver/RB hybrid. How much does he have left? How much tread on the tire or gas in the tank? This makes him a buy lower than what Deebo managers will want to let him go for. Deebo is more of a hold than a buy or sell.

I’m of the opinion that Deebo will be good on any team. Shanahan is creative, but I’m not willing to give him all the credit for Samuel’s production.

Put Deebo on the Bills or Chiefs, and he’s going to be just as, if not more valuable. So long as it’s a competent offense & above average QB, he can do damage from anywhere on the field,

And as I’d said previously, a move to another team might add more longevity, since most teams likely wouldn’t use him as a “wideback”

Anyway, I knew I’d be on an island with this take. It’s cool - it’s a fun discussion. He’s a super unique player in a unique situation.

And FWIW, I don’t think the 49ers are trading any WR this season.

Deebo never gets the respect he deserves. He's a really good receiver, at running WR routes. He's been pigeonholed by some as a gadget player, but that's just because he excels at doing those things better than anyone else in the NFL. Its not that different from the people who call Lamar a running QB. Yes, he does that better than anyone else, but people are lying to themselves if they don't also think he's a very good passer too.

I'm still of the belief that SF can keep both Deebo and Aiyuk beyond this season if they don't get a 1st rounder. They can do some cap gymnastics as they are in their window.

 

[dipandglide]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

This is basically a walk year for him given how his contract is structured. If he's got 1 more big year in him, it will be this year, IMO.

I acquired him somewhat affordably to go for another ‘ship in a 16 team league I just won.

I think he has a big year in store. The addition of Pearsall should in theory open up holes in the offense for CMC & Deebo to do their thing. Presnap motion should be much more effective with another quality route runner.

I know the theme in here is “sell high”, but from what I’ve seen in trades, Deebo is actually a bit of a buy-low for a win-now dynasty team. His age & the perception that he can’t stay healthy might make some shareholders nervous - I think Deebo has plenty of quality play left in him.

Just needs to be the right fit. I’m not buying him on my younger team, but for the one that just won a ‘ship, he’s one more upper tier scorer at Flex for me. Having lost Fields in SF, I tried for a solid month to acquire any of the lower tier QBs, and failed. So instead I went after older WR like Deebo + McLaurin. IMO they have as much chance at 15-25 in my SF slot as Levis, Geno, etc.

Deebo is in a walk year, as some have pointed out. I can see a case where there could be more incentive for him to play through bumps & bruises because of that.

And if he moves on from the 49ers, maybe his future team will use him less on the ground, which could extend his career.

Maybe I’m on an island, but I’m still high on Deebo from a FF perspective. He’s certainly a unique talent.

I try to evaluate guys based on two—to three-year windows, not one-year windows. Buying vets for win-now teams is fine if the price is right. However, if I need the points, I'd prefer to wait and invest in vets in season. There's nothing worse than investing in a vet now, and he gets hurt during the offseason or in the early weeks.

I do the same, and IMO Deebo easily has 2-3 more years of quality production.

Being scared that a 28 y/o in Adonis-like shape is gonna get hurt in practice is a little odd. if he were 30+ I’d feel differently. You may as well never trade for anyone for the same fear.

You are treating Deebo like a regular WR. He's not. There's a reason he's never played an entire season.

 

[dipandglide]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

This is basically a walk year for him given how his contract is structured. If he's got 1 more big year in him, it will be this year, IMO.

I acquired him somewhat affordably to go for another ‘ship in a 16 team league I just won.

I think he has a big year in store. The addition of Pearsall should in theory open up holes in the offense for CMC & Deebo to do their thing. Presnap motion should be much more effective with another quality route runner.

I know the theme in here is “sell high”, but from what I’ve seen in trades, Deebo is actually a bit of a buy-low for a win-now dynasty team. His age & the perception that he can’t stay healthy might make some shareholders nervous - I think Deebo has plenty of quality play left in him.

Just needs to be the right fit. I’m not buying him on my younger team, but for the one that just won a ‘ship, he’s one more upper tier scorer at Flex for me. Having lost Fields in SF, I tried for a solid month to acquire any of the lower tier QBs, and failed. So instead I went after older WR like Deebo + McLaurin. IMO they have as much chance at 15-25 in my SF slot as Levis, Geno, etc.

Deebo is in a walk year, as some have pointed out. I can see a case where there could be more incentive for him to play through bumps & bruises because of that.

And if he moves on from the 49ers, maybe his future team will use him less on the ground, which could extend his career.

Maybe I’m on an island, but I’m still high on Deebo from a FF perspective. He’s certainly a unique talent.

In my opinion, he could be a buy-low with significant risks—not just injury, but being traded to a team that won't scheme up plays for him because of his unique talents or won't be able to like Kyle has and can. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and the Niners seem "heck-bent" on trading either Deebo or Aiyuk. It is an interesting situation that has uncertainty married to it. If the Niners continue the offense and schemes of the past and Deebo is there, he could be terrific in 2024, should he stay healthy, which is another added caveat to Deebo. I find that Deebo managers still want Deebo prices from three years ago. He is 28, and what makes him good also worsens the age factor. He has been used almost as a Wide Receiver/RB hybrid. How much does he have left? How much tread on the tire or gas in the tank? This makes him a buy lower than what Deebo managers will want to let him go for. Deebo is more of a hold than a buy or sell.

I’m of the opinion that Deebo will be good on any team. Shanahan is creative, but I’m not willing to give him all the credit for Samuel’s production.

Put Deebo on the Bills or Chiefs, and he’s going to be just as, if not more valuable. So long as it’s a competent offense & above average QB, he can do damage from anywhere on the field,

And as I’d said previously, a move to another team might add more longevity, since most teams likely wouldn’t use him as a “wideback”

Anyway, I knew I’d be on an island with this take. It’s cool - it’s a fun discussion. He’s a super unique player in a unique situation.

And FWIW, I don’t think the 49ers are trading any WR this season.

Deebo never gets the respect he deserves. He's a really good receiver, at running WR routes. He's been pigeonholed by some as a gadget player, but that's just because he excels at doing those things better than anyone else in the NFL. Its not that different from the people who call Lamar a running QB. Yes, he does that better than anyone else, but people are lying to themselves if they don't also think he's a very good passer too.

I'm still of the belief that SF can keep both Deebo and Aiyuk beyond this season if they don't get a 1st rounder. They can do some cap gymnastics as they are in their window.

It's not about respect. I love Deebo more than most and still do. However, there comes a time when you have to jump ship. He's worth a late 1st in Superflex leagues. I'm out at that price and will gamble on a Worthy/McConkey type.

 

[menobrown]

Just some randomness and nothing most don't already know:

He's switching to jersey #1. Kyle called it "risky", said you had to be thin to pull that off but when he saw Deebo basically said things were looking good. A few months out till the season and that comment was weeks ago, but sounds like it's an off-season of Deebo staying lean.

Speaking of his physique. Read an article in The Athletic around draft time about how scouts actually pay a lot of attention to players butts and view it as an indicator of stuff like strength and explosion. I read that article and wondered how any scout or GM that felt that way could let Deebo get out of round one.

Can anyone think of a player who gets more player comps the last few years during the draft then Deebo? Still have not seen anyone like him.

I hate when people dismiss him as not being a traditional WR and forget how good he was, the breakout season he was on, before they were forced to start using him as a wide back in 2021. His first 8 games that year, when he had 6 carries total. he has 54/882. I repeat in 8 games. I don't know his stats after week those 8 weeks but for the season he was 4th in the NFL in yards per route run, first in both yards per catch and yards per target. His aDot was not high, but it was over 8 yards on average, he was not doing this catching a bunch of balls behind the LOS. I feel his his versatiliy is almost working against him in the mind of some fantasy players but I distincly recall investing heavily in him in that 2021 and being very disappointed at how they changed his role and how real world effective it was.

I got small concerns of him getting traded and if so things would not be the same but I feel fairly safe he'll be fine for another year but I all in all I stil l got him in that WR 14-15 range.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Deebo was one of my most owned players heading into this offseason. He's a sell-high, and his style isn't going to lead to a long career. I'm treating him similarly to how I view RBs.

This is basically a walk year for him given how his contract is structured. If he's got 1 more big year in him, it will be this year, IMO.

I acquired him somewhat affordably to go for another ‘ship in a 16 team league I just won.

I think he has a big year in store. The addition of Pearsall should in theory open up holes in the offense for CMC & Deebo to do their thing. Presnap motion should be much more effective with another quality route runner.

I know the theme in here is “sell high”, but from what I’ve seen in trades, Deebo is actually a bit of a buy-low for a win-now dynasty team. His age & the perception that he can’t stay healthy might make some shareholders nervous - I think Deebo has plenty of quality play left in him.

Just needs to be the right fit. I’m not buying him on my younger team, but for the one that just won a ‘ship, he’s one more upper tier scorer at Flex for me. Having lost Fields in SF, I tried for a solid month to acquire any of the lower tier QBs, and failed. So instead I went after older WR like Deebo + McLaurin. IMO they have as much chance at 15-25 in my SF slot as Levis, Geno, etc.

Deebo is in a walk year, as some have pointed out. I can see a case where there could be more incentive for him to play through bumps & bruises because of that.

And if he moves on from the 49ers, maybe his future team will use him less on the ground, which could extend his career.

Maybe I’m on an island, but I’m still high on Deebo from a FF perspective. He’s certainly a unique talent.

I try to evaluate guys based on two—to three-year windows, not one-year windows. Buying vets for win-now teams is fine if the price is right. However, if I need the points, I'd prefer to wait and invest in vets in season. There's nothing worse than investing in a vet now, and he gets hurt during the offseason or in the early weeks.

I do the same, and IMO Deebo easily has 2-3 more years of quality production.

Being scared that a 28 y/o in Adonis-like shape is gonna get hurt in practice is a little odd. if he were 30+ I’d feel differently. You may as well never trade for anyone for the same fear.

You are treating Deebo like a regular WR. He's not. There's a reason he's never played an entire season.

For one, using past injury to predict future injury is a bit of a fool’s errand. Just because a player got hurt doesn’t mean he will get hurt, no matter how convinced you are of that.

For another, as I said - if Deebo moves on to another team, IMO his chances of injury are greatly reduced, because I’m skeptical that another team uses him the same way. Being used in a more traditional receiving role would likely extend his career, while not diminishing his value.

I don’t blame you for selling for a 1st, go for it. And hey, if my team isn’t winning by the trade deadline, I’m 100% planning on trying to get that for him.

But in my context it made sense to buy. And I try not to play dynasty scared - Deebo is a supremely talented player who puts points on the board when he’s healthy.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I got small concerns of him getting traded and if so things would not be the same but I feel fairly safe he'll be fine for another year but I all in all I stil l got him in that WR 14-15 range.

I think that’s a reasonable projection. His ceiling is probably top 10 if they get back to how they used to use him, and his floor is probably “missed 5 weeks with a strained [insert body part here]

But I like players who are great athletes, and as you said, there’s really no one like Deebo. And if he goes to a different team, he’s a great athlete on a different team. He will get his. The YAC makes him valuable, but he also does run good routes, can effectively box out smaller DBs, and defenders don’t always want to tackle him when he gets up a head of steam.

He really doesn’t get enough respect from the FF community.

I understand selling if you can get a 2025 1st, but if your team is competitive, I agree with others that he’s a hold.

 

[Gally]

Buying vets for win-now teams is fine if the price is right. However, if I need the points, I'd prefer to wait and invest in vets in season.

The price in season will be much more than the price now. If you are going after him mid season that means he is performing and the guy selling will know that. You won't get any bargain then which is why now is a better time to buy (cost should be much lower). If the cost isn't lower now then you aren't getting a deal and might as well wait. So in your words getting him "if the price is right" likely means now as the only time to get the "right price".

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Buying vets for win-now teams is fine if the price is right. However, if I need the points, I'd prefer to wait and invest in vets in season.

The price in season will be much more than the price now. If you are going after him mid season that means he is performing and the guy selling will know that. You won't get any bargain then which is why now is a better time to buy (cost should be much lower). If the cost isn't lower now then you aren't getting a deal and might as well wait. So in your words getting him "if the price is right" likely means now as the only time to get the "right price".

Exactly this.

The pricing right now builds in the fear and loathing factor. “Deebo always gets hurt; Deebo is in a walk year; Deebo’s getting older”

None of which will be factors in-season when he’s putting up the sort of numbers that would compel someone to want to make him a target of acquisition.

An in-season healthy Deebo who’s averaging ~20 FF PPG is going to cost much more than he will now.

Is there risk in acquiring him prior to training camp? Sure - just like dealing for any player of any age.

I remember having a deal hashed out with the JK Dobbins shareholder in one league, only to have him back out at the last minute because he was the Ravens RB of the future and he didn’t want to deal such a young asset. Yeah, like 3 weeks later Dobbins blew out his knee.

No player is safe.

 

[Ray Barboni]

Buying vets for win-now teams is fine if the price is right. However, if I need the points, I'd prefer to wait and invest in vets in season.

The price in season will be much more than the price now. If you are going after him mid season that means he is performing and the guy selling will know that. You won't get any bargain then which is why now is a better time to buy (cost should be much lower). If the cost isn't lower now then you aren't getting a deal and might as well wait. So in your words getting him "if the price is right" likely means now as the only time to get the "right price".

Exactly this.

The pricing right now builds in the fear and loathing factor. “Deebo always gets hurt; Deebo is in a walk year; Deebo’s getting older”

None of which will be factors in-season when he’s putting up the sort of numbers that would compel someone to want to make him a target of acquisition.

An in-season healthy Deebo who’s averaging ~20 FF PPG is going to cost much more than he will now.

Is there risk in acquiring him prior to training camp? Sure - just like dealing for any player of any age.

I remember having a deal hashed out with the JK Dobbins shareholder in one league, only to have him back out at the last minute because he was the Ravens RB of the future and he didn’t want to deal such a young asset. Yeah, like 3 weeks later Dobbins blew out his knee.

No player is safe.

Big Deebo fan. And a dynasty Purdy owner, I’m looking to buy - hopefully the current owner is also in fear and loathing.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Big Deebo fan. And a dynasty Purdy owner, I’m looking to buy - hopefully the current owner is also in fear and loathing.

That’s always the dream. Let the negative hype lower your price! Go get him, son!

 

[metoo]

Pass. He can't separate and why they drafted another receiver. He more than likely won't be better on another team.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

From my experience, there is no Deebo discount, and I don't think anyone doesn't think he is an outstanding player. The conversation for me is the cost. Deebo managers seem to want overpay-type deals, and I don't see going over the top for a player when there are so many questions regarding the player. I'm sure managers are willing to overpay for Deebo out there, and I'm willing to pay fair market value as a contender manager, but not at the cost that hurts my chances of contending. Are managers seeing Deebo being traded for under-market or fair value? He is an excellent wide receiver, and I never thought he was not, but the Niners don't use him like a typical wide receiver. He has had more usage, and there can be more concerns due to usage and age. I don't want to repeat the same stuff I posted, but questions and concerns are real. They affect the cost I'm willing to pay. It's no offense to the player, but I feel like there is almost a name tax with Deebo, and at cost, there are other players I would rather invest in.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

From my experience, there is no Deebo discount, and I don't think anyone doesn't think he is an outstanding player

Well, there’s this dude 1 post above yours…

Pass. He can't separate and why they drafted another receiver. He more than likely won't be better on another team.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

From my experience, there is no Deebo discount, and I don't think anyone doesn't think he is an outstanding player

Well, there’s this dude 1 post above yours…

Pass. He can't separate and why they drafted another receiver. He more than likely won't be better on another team.

I'm talking about people trading for Deebo and people trading away Deebo.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

From my experience, there is no Deebo discount, and I don't think anyone doesn't think he is an outstanding player

Well, there’s this dude 1 post above yours…

Pass. He can't separate and why they drafted another receiver. He more than likely won't be better on another team.

I'm talking about people trading for Deebo and people trading away Deebo.

Right, but @metoo doesn't seem to think he’s an outstanding player, which I vehemently disagree with.

 

[menobrown]

rom my experience, there is no Deebo discount, and I don't think anyone doesn't think he is an outstanding player. The conversation for me is the cost. Deebo managers seem to want overpay-type deals, and I don't see going over the top for a player when there are so many questions regarding the player. I'm sure managers are willing to overpay for Deebo out there, and I'm willing to pay fair market value as a contender manager, but not at the cost that hurts my chances of contending. Are managers seeing Deebo being traded for under-market or fair value?

Not having the same experience as you but what do you find to be fair value?

 

[warpig33]

I tagged Deebo as a 1st round RFA. Not a single bid on him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I tagged Deebo as a 1st round RFA. Not a single bid on him.

I paid a 2025 1st for him, but not totally as there was another pick involved and I also got McLauren.

So like, 85% of a 2025 1st.

But I would pay a 2025 1st to go for it if I assumed it to be late. But you need one of me in your league. So there’s that.

 

[metoo]

From my experience, there is no Deebo discount, and I don't think anyone doesn't think he is an outstanding player

Well, there’s this dude 1 post above yours…

Pass. He can't separate and why they drafted another receiver. He more than likely won't be better on another team.

I'm talking about people trading for Deebo and people trading away Deebo.

I'm a South Carolina fan and have nothing but love for Deebo. But in the playoffs he couldn't separate and I'm sure one of the reasons SF drafted another receiver.
Sometimes the best deals are the ones that are turned down. Just my take, it's your team.

 

[menobrown]

I tagged Deebo as a 1st round RFA. Not a single bid on him.

I paid a 2025 1st for him, but not totally as there was another pick involved and I also got McLauren.

So like, 85% of a 2025 1st.

But I would pay a 2025 1st to go for it if I assumed it to be late. But you need one of me in your league. So there’s that.

I traded for him previous to week 11 last year. TEP league and I gave Evan Engram and got back a third. The change of scenery did them both good and from that point they both finished second in PPG for the ROS. Deebo had been under-performing a little to that point so maybe I got him a tad cheaper then his going rate.

I actually had drafted him in that league and traded him away several years ago in what was one of the worst trades I've ever done, top three for sure. All I want to say about that.

Got another league I've held him since drafting him as a rookie. Have never got a decent offer for him. Actually shopped him a few years ago, posted he was available and was looking for a first and best offer I got was 2.8. I actually can't think of anyone else so much as making me offer for him and again I've had him his whole career, just has not a ton of demand, can't recall huge hauls for him. I feel like he's ranged form properly to undervalued in trades, but I'm sure there are other experiences.

I would not give up a 2025#1 right now because I don't like buying older players right now with future #1s and I hate giving up future #1's anyway no matter how strongly I feel about my team. My rookie drafts are over, but I got a few leagues that had I been OTC in late round one I'd have given it up for him.

 

[dipandglide]

Buying vets for win-now teams is fine if the price is right. However, if I need the points, I'd prefer to wait and invest in vets in season.

The price in season will be much more than the price now. If you are going after him mid season that means he is performing and the guy selling will know that. You won't get any bargain then which is why now is a better time to buy (cost should be much lower). If the cost isn't lower now then you aren't getting a deal and might as well wait. So in your words getting him "if the price is right" likely means now as the only time to get the "right price".

How can you confidently say that? The price could be MUCH lower, too.

There are ALWAYS bargains to be had in season, whether it be buy-lows, injured players, or teams looking towards next year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm a South Carolina fan and have nothing but love for Deebo. But in the playoffs he couldn't separate and I'm sure one of the reasons SF drafted another receiver.
Sometimes the best deals are the ones that are turned down. Just my take, it's your team.

IMO the reason Deebo ran into defenders every time he touched the ball was due to a lack of another good route running WR, so the pre-snap motion wasn’t fooling anyone.

But we all have our takes.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Buying vets for win-now teams is fine if the price is right. However, if I need the points, I'd prefer to wait and invest in vets in season.

The price in season will be much more than the price now. If you are going after him mid season that means he is performing and the guy selling will know that. You won't get any bargain then which is why now is a better time to buy (cost should be much lower). If the cost isn't lower now then you aren't getting a deal and might as well wait. So in your words getting him "if the price is right" likely means now as the only time to get the "right price".

How can you confidently say that? The price could be MUCH lower, too.

There are ALWAYS bargains to be had in season, whether it be buy-lows, injured players, or teams looking towards next year.

Sure, but it’s impossible to say what specific player that’ll be, and it depends a lot on the team owner not competing.

Some years there aren’t any bargains to be had on older productive players. Total crap shoot.

So strike while the iron’s hot, I say. If a player you like gets out on the block at a price you’re willing to pay, no better time than the present.

 

[dipandglide]

From my experience, there is no Deebo discount, and I don't think anyone doesn't think he is an outstanding player. The conversation for me is the cost. Deebo managers seem to want overpay-type deals, and I don't see going over the top for a player when there are so many questions regarding the player. I'm sure managers are willing to overpay for Deebo out there, and I'm willing to pay fair market value as a contender manager, but not at the cost that hurts my chances of contending. Are managers seeing Deebo being traded for under-market or fair value? He is an excellent wide receiver, and I never thought he was not, but the Niners don't use him like a typical wide receiver. He has had more usage, and there can be more concerns due to usage and age. I don't want to repeat the same stuff I posted, but questions and concerns are real. They affect the cost I'm willing to pay. It's no offense to the player, but I feel like there is almost a name tax with Deebo, and at cost, there are other players I would rather invest in.

This. I can buy someone like Godwin for a fraction of the cost.

I don't know what to tell the Deebo Bulls if they think selling him for a late 1st is selling low and is "spreading fear." That feels fair and could look great as soon as this year. Who is selling Deebo for a 2nd?

 

[Gally]

How can you confidently say that? The price could be MUCH lower, too.

Read my entire sentence. If you are wanting to go after him for a playoff push it means he is performing which means his price will be higher.

If things happen to lower his price in season you likely wouldn't want him for a playoff push.

That was reasoning regarding price points.

 

[dipandglide]

I

How can you confidently say that? The price could be MUCH lower, too.

Read my entire sentence. If you are wanting to go after him for a playoff push it means he is performing which means his price will be higher.

If things happen to lower his price in season you likely wouldn't want him for a playoff push.

That was reasoning regarding price points.

Deebo could have a career year, and you still aren't getting more than a contender's 1st.

I specifically said I was out on Deebo at his current price. He's being valued at his ceiling, and no rebuilding team is buying Deebo. That take turned into fear-mongering somehow. I guess people are selling Deebo for 2nd's (not me).

 

[Alex P Keaton]

From my experience, there is no Deebo discount, and I don't think anyone doesn't think he is an outstanding player. The conversation for me is the cost. Deebo managers seem to want overpay-type deals, and I don't see going over the top for a player when there are so many questions regarding the player. I'm sure managers are willing to overpay for Deebo out there, and I'm willing to pay fair market value as a contender manager, but not at the cost that hurts my chances of contending. Are managers seeing Deebo being traded for under-market or fair value? He is an excellent wide receiver, and I never thought he was not, but the Niners don't use him like a typical wide receiver. He has had more usage, and there can be more concerns due to usage and age. I don't want to repeat the same stuff I posted, but questions and concerns are real. They affect the cost I'm willing to pay. It's no offense to the player, but I feel like there is almost a name tax with Deebo, and at cost, there are other players I would rather invest in.

What would you see as a fair price for Deebo?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

How can you confidently say that? The price could be MUCH lower, too.

Read my entire sentence. If you are wanting to go after him for a playoff push it means he is performing which means his price will be higher.

If things happen to lower his price in season you likely wouldn't want him for a playoff push.

That was reasoning regarding price points.

Another aspect of this is if I’m the one selling Deebo at the deadline, chances are good I’ve got competing offers for him, and I’m going to extract as much value as I possibly can. Supply & demand.

I dunno about all y’all, but I don’t give discounts at the trade deadline to teams that are going for it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

. I guess people are selling Deebo for 2nd's (not me).

Where are you seeing Deebo going for 2nds?

The dude is 28. That’s hardly ancient for a WR.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This. I can buy someone like Godwin for a fraction of the cost.

Funny you say that - I tried to get Godwin for the same 2025 contender’s 1st, and was flatly rejected, because the narrative on him is the move to the slot will make him super productive again.

That’s when I pivoted to Deebo+McLaurin.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

From my experience, there is no Deebo discount, and I don't think anyone doesn't think he is an outstanding player. The conversation for me is the cost. Deebo managers seem to want overpay-type deals, and I don't see going over the top for a player when there are so many questions regarding the player. I'm sure managers are willing to overpay for Deebo out there, and I'm willing to pay fair market value as a contender manager, but not at the cost that hurts my chances of contending. Are managers seeing Deebo being traded for under-market or fair value? He is an excellent wide receiver, and I never thought he was not, but the Niners don't use him like a typical wide receiver. He has had more usage, and there can be more concerns due to usage and age. I don't want to repeat the same stuff I posted, but questions and concerns are real. They affect the cost I'm willing to pay. It's no offense to the player, but I feel like there is almost a name tax with Deebo, and at cost, there are other players I would rather invest in.

What would you see as a fair price for Deebo?

I would say a low to mid-2025 second as a contending team manager. Depending on your roster, I could see adding a TE2, QB2, or a low-end RB2/RB3 to the deal if you wanted. The pick alone is fine, but there are a lot of packages you can do. It's hard to push into 2025 first unless you can say it was at the back end of the first, which is hard to predict. Some people would contend that my view is even a bit higher by adding a player of those values. It's difficult to predict the future picks, but most Dynasty drafts are over by now.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

How can you confidently say that? The price could be MUCH lower, too.

Read my entire sentence. If you are wanting to go after him for a playoff push it means he is performing which means his price will be higher.

If things happen to lower his price in season you likely wouldn't want him for a playoff push.

That was reasoning regarding price points.

Another aspect of this is if I’m the one selling Deebo at the deadline, chances are good I’ve got competing offers for him, and I’m going to extract as much value as I possibly can. Supply & demand.

I dunno about all y’all, but I don’t give discounts at the trade deadline to teams that are going for it.

Paying a premium is not a bad thing at the deadline. At least a lot of the questions we are asking now will have been answered. Less risk means a higher price. I get that. The flip side of that is if there are issues and you can not get the asset or assets you could get now. It works both ways, with risk maybe less since we have seen what a healthy Deebo can do.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

How can you confidently say that? The price could be MUCH lower, too.

Read my entire sentence. If you are wanting to go after him for a playoff push it means he is performing which means his price will be higher.

If things happen to lower his price in season you likely wouldn't want him for a playoff push.

That was reasoning regarding price points.

Another aspect of this is if I’m the one selling Deebo at the deadline, chances are good I’ve got competing offers for him, and I’m going to extract as much value as I possibly can. Supply & demand.

I dunno about all y’all, but I don’t give discounts at the trade deadline to teams that are going for it.

Paying a premium is not a bad thing at the deadline. At least a lot of the questions we are asking now will have been answered. Less risk means a higher price. I get that. The flip side of that is if there are issues and you can not get the asset or assets you could get now. It works both ways, with risk maybe less since we have seen what a healthy Deebo can do.

Oh, for sure.

In my case he got put on the block. I’m the kinda dude where if I need a position & someone floats one, I like being aggressive & getting it done.

Too many times in the past I’ve had paralysis by analysis & missed on a player.

I lost Fields as my SF. Now I have TMc & Deebo to flex & SF. I won the league last year and only really had 1 QB between Fields & TLaw, so this deal helped.

And if it doesn’t work, I’ll move off of both at the deadline. Maybe at a profit.

Every deal has a context is my point. Sometimes waiting for that perfect moment to deal never results in a trade. It’s definitely a “go for it” move for me. Going back to back would be epic. Last year at the deadline I added Cooper, Pittman, Stevenson, & Conner to a team that had Puka, Breece & some other cornerstone offensive players. In an IDP format my offense is deep.

We’ll see what happens. I can see a case for and against paying current value for Deebo. I could see the gamble failing, too - certainly possible. Most likely outcome IMO is he delivers at value, and either my team has good luck or doesn’t. If I’m not playoff bound, imma sell off anyone over 27 for future picks. As a seller, provided they’re all healthy, I should be able to capitalize.

The challenge with waiting until the deadline as a buyer is that the team may not be selling. It’s difficult to target specific players. At that point you’re hunting a WR, not necessarily Deebo.