Hellfire Snail
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FANTASY KING, what are your thoughts on Branch's fantasy value? Do you see a spike in his receptions as I do?
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WR Deion Branch Back to NE (1 Viewer)
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CalBear
Footballguy
Why not? Here are the recent WRs taken in the fourth round:2000: Gari Scott, Trevor Gaylor, Anthony Lucas, Avion Black
2001: Milton Wynn, Justin McCareins, Cedric James
2002: Ron Johnson
2003: Shaun McDonald, Brandon Lloyd, Sam Aiken
2004: Carlos Francis, Samie Parker, Ernest Wilford
2005: Jerome Mathis, Craphonso Thorpe, Chase Lyman [poor guy], Fred Gibson, Roydell Williams
2006: Michael Robinson, Brad Smith, Cory Rodgers, Jason Avant, Demetrius Williams, Will Blackmon, Brandon Marshall, Skyler Green, Domenik Hixon
2007: Ryne Robinson, Chris Davis
2008: William Franklin, Marcus Smith, Arman Shields, Lavelle Hawkins, Keenan Burton
2009: Mike Thomas, Brian Hartline, Louis Murphy, Austin Collie
The bolded are the ones who at some point in their careers appear to be worthy of being at least a WR3 on a passing team.
If you can get someone you know can be a solid contributor, in exchange for a pick that will net you one of these guys, you do it.
YouthofToday
Footballguy
Unless there is a new NFL rule that one must draft a WR in the 4th round I hardly see how this is relevant. A 4th round pick is rather valuable in the NFL. I know 31 other teams that wish they drafted Tom Brady in the 4th round of the 2000 draft...
CalBear
Footballguy
Geeze, are you going to make me go through this exercise with every position? OK, here are some of the fourth-round QBs taken recently:2000: none
2001: Marques Tuiasosopo
2002: David Garrard, Rohan Davey
2003: Seneca Wallace
2004: Luke McCown
2005: Kyle Orton, Stefan Lefors
2006: none
2007: Isaiah Stanback
2008: none
2009: Pat White
So I'll be generous and give you Kyle Orton and David Garrard as starting-quality QBs; that's two of those in the past 10 years in the fourth round.
The vast majority of fourth round picks at any position will never start a game in the NFL.
az_prof
Footballguy
Ummm, so you would happily give away Brandon Marshall for a guy who you intend to use as a deep backup? Teams consider a fourth round pick to be valuable, I can tell you that.
CalBear
Footballguy
No, I would happily give away a chance at a one-in-20 lottery ticket for a guy I know will contribute to my team.
az_prof
Footballguy
Except the premise here is that he WON"T contribute much. My point was that Branch will contribute and won't be a deep backup. He will be heavily involved and will get more of a share of this offense than the people who jumped on Tate and Edelman care to admit. Otherwise, the trade is really stupid. Because a one in 20 chance at Brandon Marshall IS worth more than a guy who catches 20 or 30 passes as a fourth receiver.
CaptainHook
Footballguy
4th round picks are valuable because they are temporary slave labor with some longterm upside. its not because they are expecting to find studs.
CalBear
Footballguy
New England runs a lot of 3WR sets, so he'll be on the field. But I would be surprised if he takes the majority of the snaps at this point in his career. It's really silly to think he'll contribute more than that simply because they traded a fourth-rounder for him. They used a fourth-rounder on Rich Ohrnberger last year and cut him this year. They used a third-rounder on Brandon Tate and a seventh-rounder on Edelman. Branch will contribute if he can contribute; it has nothing to do with the compensation required to acquire him.
I still like Tate most of all.
I didnt mention him because hes already their WR2, I wanna know who steps into their WR3 role.I wouldnt be surprised if Hernandez is actually a WR next year and that makes him the clear candidate but until then ???
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
that's really not true anymore --- that was more a mcdaniels thing.and ohrnberger isn't cut.
grouse
Footballguy
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
IT WAS A BRILLIANT MOVE.Better?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The Pats have to give SEA their best 4th round pick whatever that turns out to be. Clearly as things stand now that would be the pick they got from DEN. I believe if they acquire another 4th round pick even better than Denver's, it's the best pick in the round that has to head to SEA.
Bottom line, the Pats traded Maroney for Branch.
I'm still looking into whether Branch renegotiated or did anything different to his contract.
Bottom line, the Pats traded Maroney for Branch.
I'm still looking into whether Branch renegotiated or did anything different to his contract.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Pats took Branch's contract as is ($5.5 million this year, roughly $6 million next year) but are currently trying to renegotiate changes to his contract.
greenline
Footballguy
BallparkFrank
Footballguy
So, owning a Pats WR is going to be like owning a Saints WR? I'm still shocked that the Patriots gave up a 4th to get Branch back! 
(not to be confused with Reche Caldwell)
(not to be confused with Reche Caldwell)
Road Warriors
Footballguy
I'm not a fan of this move at all. 4th for Branch is too steep a price to pay. I don't see a role he fills on this team that couldn't be filled by someone already on the roster. He has injury issues. I don't see this helping much at all, unless Branch shows a penchant for mentoring the younger guys.
I don't expect to see much in the way of on-field value from Branch.
I don't expect to see much in the way of on-field value from Branch.
ROBOPUNTER
Footballguy
Neofight
Footballguy
In the 16th century they used the sword to duel, by the mid-18th century the duelling pistol was on the scene. Now we have the duelling emoticon; I suppose this is progress.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I suspect that Branch goes to near the front of the WR line and will see a lot of reps on the outside opposite Tate. Welker continues to get his as a first option guy. Hernandez continues to get used in various spots in a variety of formations. Edelman loses out and looks to be a backup to Welker at this point and recovering from an ankle injury in training camp won't help him get more time on the field.
Brady apparently was really, really the driving force in getting Branch. Can't see them not sticking him on the field a lot just to be no more than a bit player. NE is on the hook for $4+ million for Branch this year, so I doubt he is relegated to being a bottom of the depth chart guy.
Whether Brady and Branch still have it, whether Branch has lost a step, and whether Branch can stay healthy are all big question marks at this point.
Brady apparently was really, really the driving force in getting Branch. Can't see them not sticking him on the field a lot just to be no more than a bit player. NE is on the hook for $4+ million for Branch this year, so I doubt he is relegated to being a bottom of the depth chart guy.
Whether Brady and Branch still have it, whether Branch has lost a step, and whether Branch can stay healthy are all big question marks at this point.
greenline
Footballguy
I wonder if Brady is kicking in any of his own money, if he's really the one who pushed for Branch to come back...
PatsFanCT
Footballguy
In the 16th century they used the sword to duel, by the mid-18th century the duelling pistol was on the scene. Now we have the duelling emoticon; I suppose this is progress.
David Yudkin
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tombonneau
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This is one of the better posts I've ever read on this board. Please accept this rare emoticon that I have never once used as my humble thanks.In the 16th century they used the sword to duel, by the mid-18th century the duelling pistol was on the scene. Now we have the duelling emoticon; I suppose this is progress.
As far as Branch, DY is right. I see him starting on the outside opposite Tate as soon as he is ready. Also, someone mentioned the Pats run a lot of 3-wide, that actually is not true this year. That formation has been in the minority. The top formation is the 2TE 2WR set. Again, it's been said but bears repeating: the big winner here is Aaron Hernandez. I see him as Top 5 TE going forward, red zone look dependent.
parrot
Footballguy
Thanks Dave. But I was thinking more along the lines of a trade. I like Deion, and they probably can use more depth at receiver, but it seems like for the price they paid there are maybe more pressing needs that might have been addressed.
az_prof
Footballguy
This is how I see it too. They are not going to want to move Welker to the outside--that's not his forte and why change his role when he is so good at his current role. The loser here is Edelman, who won't be moved up to start. I think people over play the role of player's wishes in these things, but if it is true that the teams got Branch because Brady asked for him, then that is even stronger signal that Branch will be used quite a bit. Brady is the guy who throws the ball, and if he trust Branch, Branch will see targets.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Branch renegotiated his contract. Instead of $6 million due in 2011, he pared it down to $2.2 million (plus incentives it could be worth a total of $4 million).
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Whizzinator
Footballguy
Not a big issue, but the trade covering a future-acquired higher 4th seems unlikely to me. That would prevent Pats from trading up in 4th, and while that isn't likely it seems a silly thing to give away...seems a lot more likely the deal gives Sea the higher of the two the Pats presently own.But anything is possible....
