What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

WR DJ Moore, CHI (2 Viewers)

DJ and the bears seem to have a nice schedule (passing matchups) for the rest of the season. DJ has really struggled for a few weeks. Is he a Buy Low or a Stay Away?
I don’t know. Not a Bears fan, but since I live in IL, too often the Bears on are tv. The way they are using DJ in this offense just seems bizarre. Way too many bubble screens and quick outs. Just no focus on getting him the ball downfield. I sold after his Panthers revenge game for Devonta Smith. Not thrilled with that value, but I just couldn’t count on him.
 
I got DJ as the extra man in a trade this past week. The schedule down the stretch looks nice on paper but something is really off right now with the offense. Hoping they figure it out.
 
Anybody else see the play where he just walked off the field during the play? Caleb was scrambling around (that doesn't narrow it down, I know) and Moore just strolls to the bench. It was the play Allen got called for PI.
 
Anybody else see the play where he just walked off the field during the play? Caleb was scrambling around (that doesn't narrow it down, I know) and Moore just strolls to the bench. It was the play Allen got called for PI.
I just saw that play on twitter. It is a bad look for Moore for sure. I can see his frustration but you still gotta give effort. It looked like he was half-assing it lot of the game to me.
 
something is really off right now with the offense
Coaching and O-line play. Better coaching would hopefully try and minimize the 0-line issues but they don't seem to be doing anything to change up what they are doing....which obviously isn't working.
 
Anybody else see the play where he just walked off the field during the play? Caleb was scrambling around (that doesn't narrow it down, I know) and Moore just strolls to the bench. It was the play Allen got called for PI.
First time in my life I've seen a player sitting on his bench while a play was still going.

Seeing some weak justifications for it but it was just bad effort to me.
 
Anybody else see the play where he just walked off the field during the play? Caleb was scrambling around (that doesn't narrow it down, I know) and Moore just strolls to the bench. It was the play Allen got called for PI.
First time in my life I've seen a player sitting on his bench while a play was still going.

Seeing some weak justifications for it but it was just bad effort to me.
I saw this and saw this as he was not a fan of the offense/ OC schemes and just gave up for the game.
I declined the trade offer for him that followed the game (DJ Moore for Addison/early 2nd)
 
As an Odunze owner, who also just drafted Burden when he fell to pick 15, I don't think I've ever been rooting for a trade harder than this one.
 
0% chance DJ Moore is traded. None. At all.

Goal #1 is entirely about developing Caleb Williams. They aren't gonna trade their #1 WR (while taking a big cap hit in the process) just because they MAY have a surplus of pass catching talent. The surplus is the point. They were counting on guys like Tyler Scott and Dante Pettis as recently as 2023. The goal is to never be in that shape again.

I could MAYBE see Kmet being dealt, and even then, that's probably 2026. Barring a massive injury, I'd be shocked if Moore wasn't in 2025 and 2026.
 
As an Odunze owner, who also just drafted Burden when he fell to pick 15, I don't think I've ever been rooting for a trade harder than this one.
I think he has one foot already out the door.
How so?
I know they aren’t pleased with his effort and trade rumors are out there.
I hadn’t read anything definitive but hope you’re right as another Rome owner.
IMO his attitude was not great last year and if it continues I think they make him available and the cap hit is actually pretty low if traded after June. The idea of this has been floated by a few Bears reporters but just an idea, not what anyone is predicting.

But my thinking right now is they don't want to trade him, not this year, and would prefer the change in staff changes his attitude and fwiw I've read multiple times over the years he's a really good dude, something about last year just did not suit him. Perhaps was just that down on getting rid of Fields for Caleb?

I just drafted Burden twice this weekend and good shot of adding him in another rookie draft next weekend so I'd love for him to get dealt but I'm approaching this right now as they don't want to trade him and would instead prefer he bought in with trading him as the option if he does not.
 
More talks about the amount of reps he is getting out of the backfield. The Bears are using him like he could be the #2 RB at times.

Split Odunze, LB3, Colston out and keep Kmet inline. Moore in the backfield is a tough assignment for defenses.

Bottomline is go acquire DJ if you can. He's going to get touches this year.
Does this slot him into a Deebo-like role? That would be a bonanza for a guy who's projected as a low end WR2 / high end WR3.
 
More talks about the amount of reps he is getting out of the backfield. The Bears are using him like he could be the #2 RB at times.

Split Odunze, LB3, Colston out and keep Kmet inline. Moore in the backfield is a tough assignment for defenses.

Bottomline is go acquire DJ if you can. He's going to get touches this year.
Does this slot him into a Deebo-like role? That would be a bonanza for a guy who's projected as a low end WR2 / high end WR3.
It sure sounded that way from the camp reports. I wouldn't mind seeing Moore get 2 carries a game. He's great with the ball in his hands.

As a Bears fan, I worry about all the extra wear that puts on a body.
 
More talks about the amount of reps he is getting out of the backfield. The Bears are using him like he could be the #2 RB at times.

Split Odunze, LB3, Colston out and keep Kmet inline. Moore in the backfield is a tough assignment for defenses.

Bottomline is go acquire DJ if you can. He's going to get touches this year.
Does this slot him into a Deebo-like role? That would be a bonanza for a guy who's projected as a low end WR2 / high end WR3.
It sure sounded that way from the camp reports. I wouldn't mind seeing Moore get 2 carries a game. He's great with the ball in his hands.

As a Bears fan, I worry about all the extra wear that puts on a body.
I'm not sure the types of carries he will be getting would be any more wear/tear than the screens, quick outs, and quick slants he's already getting. I doubt he'll be rushing up the gut at all. Probably more tosses and rushes to the outside and likely based on motion.
 
More talks about the amount of reps he is getting out of the backfield. The Bears are using him like he could be the #2 RB at times.

Split Odunze, LB3, Colston out and keep Kmet inline. Moore in the backfield is a tough assignment for defenses.

Bottomline is go acquire DJ if you can. He's going to get touches this year.
Does this slot him into a Deebo-like role? That would be a bonanza for a guy who's projected as a low end WR2 / high end WR3.
It sure sounded that way from the camp reports. I wouldn't mind seeing Moore get 2 carries a game. He's great with the ball in his hands.

As a Bears fan, I worry about all the extra wear that puts on a body.
I'm not sure the types of carries he will be getting would be any more wear/tear than the screens, quick outs, and quick slants he's already getting. I doubt he'll be rushing up the gut at all. Probably more tosses and rushes to the outside and likely based on motion.
Deebo complained about that extra wear and tear on those types of touches.
 
More talks about the amount of reps he is getting out of the backfield. The Bears are using him like he could be the #2 RB at times.

Split Odunze, LB3, Colston out and keep Kmet inline. Moore in the backfield is a tough assignment for defenses.

Bottomline is go acquire DJ if you can. He's going to get touches this year.
Does this slot him into a Deebo-like role? That would be a bonanza for a guy who's projected as a low end WR2 / high end WR3.
It sure sounded that way from the camp reports. I wouldn't mind seeing Moore get 2 carries a game. He's great with the ball in his hands.

As a Bears fan, I worry about all the extra wear that puts on a body.
I'm not sure the types of carries he will be getting would be any more wear/tear than the screens, quick outs, and quick slants he's already getting. I doubt he'll be rushing up the gut at all. Probably more tosses and rushes to the outside and likely based on motion.
The Deebo reference made me think through his called runs and his running style. Moore kind of runs the same way. He won't go down with the first tackler. Hopefully he doesn't lower his shoulder as much as Deebo does. I still worry the extra hits over the course of the year add up.
 
More talks about the amount of reps he is getting out of the backfield. The Bears are using him like he could be the #2 RB at times.

Split Odunze, LB3, Colston out and keep Kmet inline. Moore in the backfield is a tough assignment for defenses.

Bottomline is go acquire DJ if you can. He's going to get touches this year.
I'm just catching up on FBG emails from a few days ago, but this caught my attention: "This development could help make up for Moore losing the #1 receiver role, but it's probably time to fade him at ADP." Is Odunze working exclusively as the WR1 in Chicago in camp? Is it already being assumed he'll get more targets than Moore? It just caught me off guard reading that. I've really liked Moore at his current ADP but this has me rethinking things now.
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
 
More talks about the amount of reps he is getting out of the backfield. The Bears are using him like he could be the #2 RB at times.

Split Odunze, LB3, Colston out and keep Kmet inline. Moore in the backfield is a tough assignment for defenses.

Bottomline is go acquire DJ if you can. He's going to get touches this year.
I'm just catching up on FBG emails from a few days ago, but this caught my attention: "This development could help make up for Moore losing the #1 receiver role, but it's probably time to fade him at ADP." Is Odunze working exclusively as the WR1 in Chicago in camp? Is it already being assumed he'll get more targets than Moore? It just caught me off guard reading that. I've really liked Moore at his current ADP but this has me rethinking things now.
Rome has been lining up mostly at the X, where DJM has been the past two years. In all honesty, I think DJM lining up at the Z is more appropriate for him and allows him to get into better position to get the ball and YAC. It also sounds like Johnson is looking into using DJM in a hybrid RB/WR role (as discussed above) giving him even more touches. Bottom line, at his current ADP of WR29, I think he's more value than fade.
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.
Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.
Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued
Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.
Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued
Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?
As a fan, I'm not sure I care how DJM gets his touches. Getting the ball in his hands should be a priority to this coaching staff.
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.
Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued
Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?
I guess that's a way to look at it.

"We want this guy to get the ball so badly, we're going to hand it to him" doesn't really send the message "We're not going to throw this guy the ball" IMO. He's 28. It's not like he's "old" even by NFL standards. I feel like we're really forgetting how good the guy is.

I assume/think that people are viewing this as a Deebo Samuel situation and mentally viewing it the same. But keep in mind, Deebo isn't a great route runner or traditional receiver. DJ is far better at those things. So I don't know that "being used like Deebo out of the backfield" means Deebo volume in the passing game.

Also, just because he's lined up in the backfield doesn't mean they won't throw him the ball out of the backfield.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that because the've lined him up in the backfield some of the time in camp, that he's going to see 50+ rushes this year. I'm sure it's something they'll use. But, we may spend a lot of time talking about "DJ Moore lining up in the backfield" and this time next year forget that it ever happened.
 
More talks about the amount of reps he is getting out of the backfield. The Bears are using him like he could be the #2 RB at times.

Split Odunze, LB3, Colston out and keep Kmet inline. Moore in the backfield is a tough assignment for defenses.

Bottomline is go acquire DJ if you can. He's going to get touches this year.
Love seeing this update. I literally just took him at 8.02 in a start-up about an hour ago as my WR5. Hoping for a Caleb breakout / DJM bounce back year.
 
He's 28. It's not like he's "old" even by NFL standards. I feel like we're really forgetting how good the guy is.
He also just turned 28 in April. I always try to check those things - IMO it’s different if a player is 28, going on 29 this year than if a player is 28 but was 27 3 months ago.

It’s a subtle, but important distinction. I feel like a stalker when I’m drafting because I’m always looking up player ages/birthdays.
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.
Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued
Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?
I guess that's a way to look at it.

"We want this guy to get the ball so badly, we're going to hand it to him" doesn't really send the message "We're not going to throw this guy the ball" IMO. He's 28. It's not like he's "old" even by NFL standards. I feel like we're really forgetting how good the guy is.

I assume/think that people are viewing this as a Deebo Samuel situation and mentally viewing it the same. But keep in mind, Deebo isn't a great route runner or traditional receiver. DJ is far better at those things. So I don't know that "being used like Deebo out of the backfield" means Deebo volume in the passing game.

Also, just because he's lined up in the backfield doesn't mean they won't throw him the ball out of the backfield.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that because the've lined him up in the backfield some of the time in camp, that he's going to see 50+ rushes this year. I'm sure it's something they'll use. But, we may spend a lot of time talking about "DJ Moore lining up in the backfield" and this time next year forget that it ever happened.

I take it as his targets could go/stay down not because he runs routes like Deebo, but because of the system, team goals and total number of legit pass catching options on the team.
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.
Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued
Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?
I guess that's a way to look at it.

"We want this guy to get the ball so badly, we're going to hand it to him" doesn't really send the message "We're not going to throw this guy the ball" IMO. He's 28. It's not like he's "old" even by NFL standards. I feel like we're really forgetting how good the guy is.

I assume/think that people are viewing this as a Deebo Samuel situation and mentally viewing it the same. But keep in mind, Deebo isn't a great route runner or traditional receiver. DJ is far better at those things. So I don't know that "being used like Deebo out of the backfield" means Deebo volume in the passing game.

Also, just because he's lined up in the backfield doesn't mean they won't throw him the ball out of the backfield.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that because the've lined him up in the backfield some of the time in camp, that he's going to see 50+ rushes this year. I'm sure it's something they'll use. But, we may spend a lot of time talking about "DJ Moore lining up in the backfield" and this time next year forget that it ever happened.

I take it as his targets could go/stay down not because he runs routes like Deebo, but because of the system, team goals and total number of legit pass catching options on the team.
When you say team goals, what does that mean?

I think they want to win football games. I think they want to throw the football a lot and score a lot of points. I think DJ Moore is their best WR. I think getting DJ Moore the football lines up really well with "team goals."

I think Caleb showed that he leans on him a lot last season. Certainly if Ben Johnson wants to use a guy like ARSB--Moore is much closer than the others.

This time last year, it was "Keenan Allen is really going to hurt DJ Moore's volume. DJ Moore had 4 more targets than the season before.

Now, sure, I think Rome takes a leap this year. But Rome had 101 targets last year. Keenan Allen vacated 121 targets.

I'm optomistic long term on Burden, but I think as of today DJ Moore is leaps and bounds better.

I just think people are doing calculus when you just need simple math.
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.
Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued
Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?
I guess that's a way to look at it.

"We want this guy to get the ball so badly, we're going to hand it to him" doesn't really send the message "We're not going to throw this guy the ball" IMO. He's 28. It's not like he's "old" even by NFL standards. I feel like we're really forgetting how good the guy is.

I assume/think that people are viewing this as a Deebo Samuel situation and mentally viewing it the same. But keep in mind, Deebo isn't a great route runner or traditional receiver. DJ is far better at those things. So I don't know that "being used like Deebo out of the backfield" means Deebo volume in the passing game.

Also, just because he's lined up in the backfield doesn't mean they won't throw him the ball out of the backfield.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that because the've lined him up in the backfield some of the time in camp, that he's going to see 50+ rushes this year. I'm sure it's something they'll use. But, we may spend a lot of time talking about "DJ Moore lining up in the backfield" and this time next year forget that it ever happened.

I take it as his targets could go/stay down not because he runs routes like Deebo, but because of the system, team goals and total number of legit pass catching options on the team.
When you say team goals, what does that mean?

I think they want to win football games. I think they want to throw the football a lot and score a lot of points. I think DJ Moore is their best WR. I think getting DJ Moore the football lines up really well with "team goals."

I think Caleb showed that he leans on him a lot last season. Certainly if Ben Johnson wants to use a guy like ARSB--Moore is much closer than the others.

This time last year, it was "Keenan Allen is really going to hurt DJ Moore's volume. DJ Moore had 4 more targets than the season before.

Now, sure, I think Rome takes a leap this year. But Rome had 101 targets last year. Keenan Allen vacated 121 targets.

I'm optomistic long term on Burden, but I think as of today DJ Moore is leaps and bounds better.

I just think people are doing calculus when you just need simple math.
Johnson pushing for the QB to get 70% completions this year. I think that is going to change the target distribution a ton.

Many very smart people and people that are at practices are saying Rome is in the process of taking the X/#1 this year. Moore is a great receiver and can play all over, but he wasn't being used to his strengths last year.

I laughed whenever anyone floated Kennan Allen being all that successful on that team last year.

calculus is simple math.
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.
Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued
Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?
I guess that's a way to look at it.

"We want this guy to get the ball so badly, we're going to hand it to him" doesn't really send the message "We're not going to throw this guy the ball" IMO. He's 28. It's not like he's "old" even by NFL standards. I feel like we're really forgetting how good the guy is.

I assume/think that people are viewing this as a Deebo Samuel situation and mentally viewing it the same. But keep in mind, Deebo isn't a great route runner or traditional receiver. DJ is far better at those things. So I don't know that "being used like Deebo out of the backfield" means Deebo volume in the passing game.

Also, just because he's lined up in the backfield doesn't mean they won't throw him the ball out of the backfield.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that because the've lined him up in the backfield some of the time in camp, that he's going to see 50+ rushes this year. I'm sure it's something they'll use. But, we may spend a lot of time talking about "DJ Moore lining up in the backfield" and this time next year forget that it ever happened.

I take it as his targets could go/stay down not because he runs routes like Deebo, but because of the system, team goals and total number of legit pass catching options on the team.
When you say team goals, what does that mean?

I think they want to win football games. I think they want to throw the football a lot and score a lot of points. I think DJ Moore is their best WR. I think getting DJ Moore the football lines up really well with "team goals."

I think Caleb showed that he leans on him a lot last season. Certainly if Ben Johnson wants to use a guy like ARSB--Moore is much closer than the others.

This time last year, it was "Keenan Allen is really going to hurt DJ Moore's volume. DJ Moore had 4 more targets than the season before.

Now, sure, I think Rome takes a leap this year. But Rome had 101 targets last year. Keenan Allen vacated 121 targets.

I'm optomistic long term on Burden, but I think as of today DJ Moore is leaps and bounds better.

I just think people are doing calculus when you just need simple math.
Johnson pushing for the QB to get 70% completions this year. I think that is going to change the target distribution a ton.

Many very smart people and people that are at practices are saying Rome is in the process of taking the X/#1 this year. Moore is a great receiver and can play all over, but he wasn't being used to his strengths last year.

I laughed whenever anyone floated Kennan Allen being all that successful on that team last year.

calculus is simple math.
I don't think "I want my QB to complete more passses" = "I want him to throw it less to our best receiver."

I don't think being the X=being the "#1" in the old school/traditional sense. Rome may line up as the X. I don't think that means he sees more targets or overtakes DJ Moore. Some of the best WR's in fantasy take a lot of their snaps out of the slot. CeeDee Lamb took 55% of his snaps from the slot in 2024. ARSB lines up in the slot frequently. Obviously, he's the "#1" in Detroit.

Rome is going around WR35 and DJ around WR20. Most of the fantasy community isn't predicting Rome becomes the #1 in Chicago.
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.
Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued
Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?
I guess that's a way to look at it.

"We want this guy to get the ball so badly, we're going to hand it to him" doesn't really send the message "We're not going to throw this guy the ball" IMO. He's 28. It's not like he's "old" even by NFL standards. I feel like we're really forgetting how good the guy is.

I assume/think that people are viewing this as a Deebo Samuel situation and mentally viewing it the same. But keep in mind, Deebo isn't a great route runner or traditional receiver. DJ is far better at those things. So I don't know that "being used like Deebo out of the backfield" means Deebo volume in the passing game.

Also, just because he's lined up in the backfield doesn't mean they won't throw him the ball out of the backfield.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that because the've lined him up in the backfield some of the time in camp, that he's going to see 50+ rushes this year. I'm sure it's something they'll use. But, we may spend a lot of time talking about "DJ Moore lining up in the backfield" and this time next year forget that it ever happened.

I take it as his targets could go/stay down not because he runs routes like Deebo, but because of the system, team goals and total number of legit pass catching options on the team.
When you say team goals, what does that mean?

I think they want to win football games. I think they want to throw the football a lot and score a lot of points. I think DJ Moore is their best WR. I think getting DJ Moore the football lines up really well with "team goals."

I think Caleb showed that he leans on him a lot last season. Certainly if Ben Johnson wants to use a guy like ARSB--Moore is much closer than the others.

This time last year, it was "Keenan Allen is really going to hurt DJ Moore's volume. DJ Moore had 4 more targets than the season before.

Now, sure, I think Rome takes a leap this year. But Rome had 101 targets last year. Keenan Allen vacated 121 targets.

I'm optomistic long term on Burden, but I think as of today DJ Moore is leaps and bounds better.

I just think people are doing calculus when you just need simple math.
Johnson pushing for the QB to get 70% completions this year. I think that is going to change the target distribution a ton.

Many very smart people and people that are at practices are saying Rome is in the process of taking the X/#1 this year. Moore is a great receiver and can play all over, but he wasn't being used to his strengths last year.

I laughed whenever anyone floated Kennan Allen being all that successful on that team last year.

calculus is simple math.
Rome definitely will be the X but that doesn't mean he's the top target getter. I know personnel dictates a lot of this but the X in Detroit has been the least valuable fantasy role on the offense the last couple years. It sounds like they are doing a lot of moving DJ Moore around: outside, slot and even from the backfield. That is how Amon Ra was used so if DJ Moore can function as that role in the offense (with it transitioning to Luther Burden in a year or 2) it could be a fantasy jackpot.
 
I think I'm preferring Burden and even Loveland at value. Caleb Williams really needed more easy outs last year and Burden in the slot especially offers that. Williams really struggled with deeper balls.
That would mostly affect Odunze at the X, no? I see DJM as the multi-tool here getting touches all over the field because he's a YAC master and you need to give him touches to make things happen.
Bingo.

We overcomplicate fantasy football sometimes. DJ Moore is coming off of a 98 reception season. New coaching staff is looking at new ways to get him the football. He's going to get the football. A lot.

I think he's undervalued
Or is the new coaching staff looking for ways to get him the ball because they know he’ll be getting less targets in the receiving game?
I guess that's a way to look at it.

"We want this guy to get the ball so badly, we're going to hand it to him" doesn't really send the message "We're not going to throw this guy the ball" IMO. He's 28. It's not like he's "old" even by NFL standards. I feel like we're really forgetting how good the guy is.

I assume/think that people are viewing this as a Deebo Samuel situation and mentally viewing it the same. But keep in mind, Deebo isn't a great route runner or traditional receiver. DJ is far better at those things. So I don't know that "being used like Deebo out of the backfield" means Deebo volume in the passing game.

Also, just because he's lined up in the backfield doesn't mean they won't throw him the ball out of the backfield.

Furthermore, I'm not convinced that because the've lined him up in the backfield some of the time in camp, that he's going to see 50+ rushes this year. I'm sure it's something they'll use. But, we may spend a lot of time talking about "DJ Moore lining up in the backfield" and this time next year forget that it ever happened.

I take it as his targets could go/stay down not because he runs routes like Deebo, but because of the system, team goals and total number of legit pass catching options on the team.
When you say team goals, what does that mean?

I think they want to win football games. I think they want to throw the football a lot and score a lot of points. I think DJ Moore is their best WR. I think getting DJ Moore the football lines up really well with "team goals."

I think Caleb showed that he leans on him a lot last season. Certainly if Ben Johnson wants to use a guy like ARSB--Moore is much closer than the others.

This time last year, it was "Keenan Allen is really going to hurt DJ Moore's volume. DJ Moore had 4 more targets than the season before.

Now, sure, I think Rome takes a leap this year. But Rome had 101 targets last year. Keenan Allen vacated 121 targets.

I'm optomistic long term on Burden, but I think as of today DJ Moore is leaps and bounds better.

I just think people are doing calculus when you just need simple math.
Johnson pushing for the QB to get 70% completions this year. I think that is going to change the target distribution a ton.

Many very smart people and people that are at practices are saying Rome is in the process of taking the X/#1 this year. Moore is a great receiver and can play all over, but he wasn't being used to his strengths last year.

I laughed whenever anyone floated Kennan Allen being all that successful on that team last year.

calculus is simple math.
Last year in CHI, their 3 top WR's had catch rates of 70.0% (Moore), 57.9% (Allen), and 53.5% (Odunze). Using your logic that Johnson wants Caleb to be at 70% completion rate, which one above looks likeliest to get the lion's share of the targets?
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top