What he said.I just think Henry can't keep his nose clean -- his off season was a disaster and I can't bank on him being out of jail much less out of trouble and worth keeping around for a franchise if he keeps this up.Talentwise he could be tops for this poll. But I need to see less booze and underage girls before I spend much time on him.I like what I've seen out of Cotchery. He edges out Henry because I believe the Bengal will be a Jailbird within the next few years.
Welker doesn't look talented enough to be a #1 IMO. To me he's a nice complimentary guy with limited upside. If anyone on the roster is going to supplant Chambers it is Hagan.Right now, Welker is a must start in leagues where return yardage counts - this is his second year being a top WR in those leagues. Considering that Chris Chambers reminds me of Roberto Duran - "hands of stone" - I think the #1 job in Miami is open. Chambers could be great if he could catch, but he's either goign to learn that soon, or be a great #2.
I think your opinion is wrong. I just posted this in another thread, but NE's halftime adjustment was to double cover Welker a could deal of the time because they could not handle him one on one. Feel free to peruse the Boston Globe for confirmation. Welker is a lot like Mason or Troy Brown. He got little fan fare at first, but earned time with play on special teams. He is a player.Welker doesn't look talented enough to be a #1 IMO. To me he's a nice complimentary guy with limited upside. If anyone on the roster is going to supplant Chambers it is Hagan.Right now, Welker is a must start in leagues where return yardage counts - this is his second year being a top WR in those leagues. Considering that Chris Chambers reminds me of Roberto Duran - "hands of stone" - I think the #1 job in Miami is open. Chambers could be great if he could catch, but he's either goign to learn that soon, or be a great #2.
I dont' think this list was meant to be all-inclusive. Plenty of other guys could be on this somewhat random list... Jones, Drew Carter, Vincent Jackson, Hank Baskett, Maurice Stovall, Brad Smith, etc.No Brandon Jones?
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If his upside is Troy Brown, then we're in agreement. He's built a career on being a nice complimentary guy. Not someone you want to build a fantasy team around though...I think your opinion is wrong. I just posted this in another thread, but NE's halftime adjustment was to double cover Welker a could deal of the time because they could not handle him one on one. Feel free to peruse the Boston Globe for confirmation. Welker is a lot like Mason or Troy Brown. He got little fan fare at first, but earned time with play on special teams. He is a player.Welker doesn't look talented enough to be a #1 IMO. To me he's a nice complimentary guy with limited upside. If anyone on the roster is going to supplant Chambers it is Hagan.Right now, Welker is a must start in leagues where return yardage counts - this is his second year being a top WR in those leagues. Considering that Chris Chambers reminds me of Roberto Duran - "hands of stone" - I think the #1 job in Miami is open. Chambers could be great if he could catch, but he's either goign to learn that soon, or be a great #2.
I think so. Give him time though... he just turned 22.is hagen a guy that should absolutly be owned in a dynasty league? No one even has him as of now in my league.
i would say so(deep league or not)...you have to look at a couple of things...Talent & SituationHagan seems to have the talent...there were some nice reports coming out of camp on himas far as situation goes...booker isnt the long term answer to the #2 WR spot and imo welker is a guy that will be used to create matchup problems in the slot much like Hakim used to be used in STL...Vincent Jackson is another that fits this profile very wellis hagen a guy that should absolutly be owned in a dynasty league? No one even has him as of now in my league.
Yes. He was dropped in the other conference of one of my dynasty leagues and no one has picked him up. They should. A guy like that should never hit the wire this early in his career.My general rule with promising rookies is that you can't cut them until they've clearly shown that they can't get the job done in the NFL. Hagan hasn't even been given an opportunity yet, so it's way too early to be giving up on him. I drafted him in the 16th round of my 12 team dynasty league, but I think his actual value is comparable to most of the players who are drafted in the rounds 9-12 range. If he's out there on your waivers, pick him up.is hagen a guy that should absolutly be owned in a dynasty league? No one even has him as of now in my league.
I thought about putting Smith, Stovall, and Baskett on there, but the list was already getting pretty long. Jackson is already gone in my league so I didn't consider him. Also, with Young at the helm, I don't see the Titans receivers as being worth much in the future. Similar to the Falcon Receivers. Also, I feel Drew Carter had his shot this offseason, and first two games. All he proved was that they really really need Steve Smith out there. Carter really dissappointed me.I dont' think this list was meant to be all-inclusive. Plenty of other guys could be on this somewhat random list... Jones, Drew Carter, Vincent Jackson, Hank Baskett, Maurice Stovall, Brad Smith, etc.No Brandon Jones?
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Funny thing is that Welker grew up just a couple miles from where Largent was raised in Oklahoma City. Neither were recruited much by the local state schools so they went to good offenses elsewhere with Largent in Tulsa and Welker at Texas Tech.The guy Welker reminds me of is Steve Largent. I don't think he's as talented as Largent, but here's what I see:He's quick, runs really good routes, and catches the ball. You think he's a possesion guy and then he's using the sneaky speed he doesn't really have a lot of, but he can get so open that you need to close a ways.In a PPR, he should make a lot of rosters.I do think it could be Hagan & Welker there. They are different kinds of receivers. I'm really down on Chambers - he's had too many QB's throwing to him at this point for all of them to have issues, especially considering other guys are makign catches.
sounds good, I put a bid on him this morning. Thanks for the responses everybody.Yes. He was dropped in the other conference of one of my dynasty leagues and no one has picked him up. They should. A guy like that should never hit the wire this early in his career.My general rule with promising rookies is that you can't cut them until they've clearly shown that they can't get the job done in the NFL. Hagan hasn't even been given an opportunity yet, so it's way too early to be giving up on him. I drafted him in the 16th round of my 12 team dynasty league, but I think his actual value is comparable to most of the players who are drafted in the rounds 9-12 range. If he's out there on your waivers, pick him up.is hagen a guy that should absolutly be owned in a dynasty league? No one even has him as of now in my league.
Largent is one of my all time favorites.Here is the only knock I have with Welker. He is fine as the #3 or playing inside. He creates problems and is a mismatch. However, he can be handled if and when he is pushed outside. I think he has a finite skill set at WR but...He will always have a job because of his ability to return kicks. He'll be on someone's roster making a contribution. Hagan can play.wannabee said:Funny thing is that Welker grew up just a couple miles from where Largent was raised in Oklahoma City. Neither were recruited much by the local state schools so they went to good offenses elsewhere with Largent in Tulsa and Welker at Texas Tech.The guy Welker reminds me of is Steve Largent. I don't think he's as talented as Largent, but here's what I see:He's quick, runs really good routes, and catches the ball. You think he's a possesion guy and then he's using the sneaky speed he doesn't really have a lot of, but he can get so open that you need to close a ways.In a PPR, he should make a lot of rosters.I do think it could be Hagan & Welker there. They are different kinds of receivers. I'm really down on Chambers - he's had too many QB's throwing to him at this point for all of them to have issues, especially considering other guys are makign catches.