WR Jameson Williams, DET (7 Viewers)

[jon_mx]

If he had bet from his home there would be no violation.

That is kind of f-d up.

Yes but it's in the rules

Meanwhile every sports show is sponsored by FanDuel.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Will he be allowed to work out, attend OTAs and TC, then serves the 6 game suspension?

Or will he be locked out until 2 weeks before the suspension ends?

(I think it's both based on Watson last year but not sure)

 

[Leroy Hoard]

If he had bet from his home there would be no violation.

That is kind of f-d up.

Yes but it's in the rules

Meanwhile every sports show is sponsored by FanDuel.

The NFL are hypocrites but what else is new.

 

[Ilov80s]

And like I’ve been saying, WR is a huge need for Detroit

 

[BobbyLayne]

The NFL are hypocrites but what else is new.

weird my name is in the quote bc it belongs to mx not me

anyway

"As a result of an NFL investigation, it came to our attention that a few of our players had violated the league's gambling policy," said Detroit Lions Executive Vice President and General Manager Brad Holmes. "These players exhibited decision making that is not consistent with our organizational values and violates league rules. We have made the decision to part ways with Quintez and C.J. immediately. We are disappointed by the decision making demonstrated by Stanley and Jameson and will work with both players to ensure they understand the severity of these violations and have clarity on the league rules moving forward."

"I embrace the darkness" - Brad Holmes, April 20

April 21, darkness came calling.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Will he be allowed to work out, attend OTAs and TC, then serves the 6 game suspension?

Or will he be locked out until 2 weeks before the suspension ends?

(I think it's both based on Watson last year but not sure)

They are allowed to participate in all activities, including pre-season games. They will be suspended after final roster cuts are made.

 

[BobbyLayne]

And like I’ve been saying, WR is a huge need for Detroit

this will rank right up there with Finless/Tiger Woods

 

[massraider]

The NFL are hypocrites but what else is new.

If I was one of these dudes who got suspended, and didn't really have a career, I would find an ambitious lawyer who wants some camera time.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

And like I’ve been saying, WR is a huge need for Detroit

Still need a big body X, they have a great slot in St. Brown and EVENTUALLY Jamo.

 

[Mitchie]

If he had bet from his home there would be no violation.

That is kind of f-d up.

Yes but it's in the rules

Meanwhile every sports show is sponsored by FanDuel.

While that is true, doesn't mean there can't be rules around the players gambling. I'm sure the players were made aware of these rules, they just have to follow them.

 

[Ilov80s]

And like I’ve been saying, WR is a huge need for Detroit

Still need a big body X, they have a great slot in St. Brown and EVENTUALLY Jamo.

At this point, I am counting Jamo as a bonus. People know the concerns I had before this suspension.

 

[TartanLion]

Ffs

 

[Leroy Hoard]

College games of some sort, not sure if football or hoops.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This dumb dummy.

Makes me feel better about a recent trade offer for Williams that was rejected

ARSB shareholders rejoice!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

College games of some sort, not sure if football or hoops.

Stupid either way.

 

[tangfoot]

The NFL are hypocrites but what else is new.

weird my name is in the quote bc it belongs to mx not me

anyway

"As a result of an NFL investigation, it came to our attention that a few of our players had violated the league's gambling policy," said Detroit Lions Executive Vice President and General Manager Brad Holmes. "These players exhibited decision making that is not consistent with our organizational values and violates league rules. We have made the decision to part ways with Quintez and C.J. immediately. We are disappointed by the decision making demonstrated by Stanley and Jameson and will work with both players to ensure they understand the severity of these violations and have clarity on the league rules moving forward."

"I embrace the darkness" - Brad Holmes, April 20

April 21, darkness came calling.

Hello darkness, my old friend

 

[zeeshan2]

Jeez

[Meirov] The #Lions also recently parted ways with several staff members in various departments for violating the gambling policy, per @E_Woodyard . So this wasn’t just players.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Cephus & Moore have already been released.

The good news is that they’re now free to gamble on any sport to their heart’s content.

I hope they at least won their bets.

 

[eighsse2]

As a Jameson owner, I don't figure it as a big deal, prospect-wise. If he was your WR2 or 3 it sucks, yes.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Jeez

[Meirov] The #Lions also recently parted ways with several staff members in various departments for violating the gambling policy, per @E_Woodyard . So this wasn’t just players.

Holy crap - the culture was just starting to look good in DET.

This is why they can’t have nice things.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As a Jameson owner, I don't figure it as a big deal, prospect-wise. If he was your WR2 or 3 it sucks, yes.

I mean, it puts him on a very short list of problematic players that the NFL will be hawking with scrutiny for the rest of his career.

And it is TBD how he’ll handle this mentally, or if it will have any effect on his play.

I’d say it’s a bit up in the air right now.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Cephus & Moore have already been released.

The good news is that they’re now free to gamble on any sport to their heart’s content.

I hope they at least won their bets.

Doesn’t every team, every year, have a 1-2 [hour] mandatory presentation during TC clearly outlining the gambling policy? Did teams stop doing that?

Edit: I am not currently embracing the darkness

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Doesn’t every team, every year, have a 1-2 mandatory presentation during TC clearly outlining the gambling policy? Did teams stop doing that?

Every team, every year. Also IIRC, rookies get a special session from the NFLPA.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Doesn’t every team, every year, have a 1-2 mandatory presentation during TC clearly outlining the gambling policy? Did teams stop doing that?

Every team, every year. Also IIRC, rookies get a special session from the NFLPA.

I imagine this was laughably easy for investigators to identify with FanDuel/Sportsbook/whatever (I don’t bet) supplying the logs.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Doesn’t every team, every year, have a 1-2 mandatory presentation during TC clearly outlining the gambling policy? Did teams stop doing that?

Every team, every year. Also IIRC, rookies get a special session from the NFLPA.

I imagine this was laughably easy for investigators to identify with FanDuel/Soortsbook/whatever (I don’t bet) supplying the logs.

And if he was logged into the Lions WiFi it would show up on their records also.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Doesn’t every team, every year, have a 1-2 mandatory presentation during TC clearly outlining the gambling policy? Did teams stop doing that?

Every team, every year. Also IIRC, rookies get a special session from the NFLPA.

I imagine this was laughably easy for investigators to identify with FanDuel/Soortsbook/whatever (I don’t bet) supplying the logs.

And if he was logged into the Lions WiFi it would show up on their records also.

Jamo is currently on the phone with Nord VPN customer service demanding a refund

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Doesn’t every team, every year, have a 1-2 mandatory presentation during TC clearly outlining the gambling policy? Did teams stop doing that?

Every team, every year. Also IIRC, rookies get a special session from the NFLPA.

He may have been distracted during that while betting on the Bama game.

 

[eighsse2]

As a Jameson owner, I don't figure it as a big deal, prospect-wise. If he was your WR2 or 3 it sucks, yes.

I mean, it puts him on a very short list of problematic players that the NFL will be hawking with scrutiny for the rest of his career.

And it is TBD how he’ll handle this mentally, or if it will have any effect on his play.

I’d say it’s a bit up in the air right now.

True. It's a blemish you don't want. Makes him look stupid amd untrustworthy.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And if he was logged into the Lions WiFi it would show up on their records also.

Router logs will get ya every time.

Signed,

-Former IT manager who could have blackmailed so many executives for just so, so much porn on company time.

 

[barackdhouse]

Yikes. Bump the Sun God even more, I guess.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Yikes. Bump the Sun God even more, I guess.

And also possibly Swift to some extent.

(@menobrown is smiling somewhere off in the distance)

 

[travdogg]

This dumb dummy.

Makes me feel better about a recent trade offer for Williams that was rejected

JSN shareholders rejoice!

Yep. After the Ridley thing, only an idiot would even tempt fate.

I doubt highly doubt JSN is going to Detroit. Could maybe increase Bijan chances.

Yikes. Bump the Sun God even more, I guess.

I've got him WR4 right now. Over guys like Diggs and Lamb.

 

[tangfoot]

And if he was logged into the Lions WiFi it would show up on their records also.

Router logs will get ya every time.

Signed,

-Former IT manager who could have blackmailed so many executives for just so, so much porn on company time.

My old IT director used to scour those logs to find new sites that he hadn't heard of yet. There were a few really niche ones over the years.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I doubt highly doubt JSN is going to Detroit. Could maybe increase Bijan chances.

That was a brain fart. Meant to type ARSB (who I roster) - too many acronyms.

 

[SoBeDad]

Cedric Wilson is available for a 6th round pick. 2 more years on his contract. He was about 5th on the Miami depth chart, but accepted the role as PR and lack of time at WR without complaints. He was good in 2021 filling in at WR #2 in DAL, had a couple of 100 yard games.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Went to the same school as Calvin Ridley. Do they have a Betting 101 class at Bama?

 

[Catbird]

It's amazingly stupid, but it's 6 games. He could have pulled a hamstring to the same effect. I don't think you re-shape your whole draft strategy over it.

 

[tangfoot]

It's amazingly stupid, but it's 6 games. He could have pulled a hamstring to the same effect. I don't think you re-shape your whole draft strategy over it.

It's now highly likely that he will suffer from a soft tissue injury upon return, so that could be another chunk of the season lost to this stupidity.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's amazingly stupid, but it's 6 games. He could have pulled a hamstring to the same effect. I don't think you re-shape your whole draft strategy over it.

Here’s the thing with that reasoning though - he could still pull a hamstring and miss another 6 games.

Sitting out those 6 games doesn’t guarantee a healthy 12, it only guarantees he misses at least 6.

I’ve seen this logic used for drafting hurt players & I’ve seen it bite people in the asa many times.

 

[travdogg]

If we are just throwing ideas out there, I would maybe be on the phone with the Rams vis a vis Cooper Kupp.

#18 for Kupp? Rams are clearly a #1 pick contender, and might want to get out while the value is still high.

Alternatively, maybe Hopkins, or even Mike Evans could be available for the right price, I just leaned Kupp, because he's better than those guys, and Brad Holmes has his Rams ties.

ETA: Probably would have been at least nice to keep Chark now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Alternatively, maybe Hopkins, or even Mike Evans could be available for the right price, I just leaned Kupp, because he's better than those guys, and Brad Holmes has his Rams ties.

Lions don’t really feel like a team that would do that though.

just a gut feeling.

 

[travdogg]

Alternatively, maybe Hopkins, or even Mike Evans could be available for the right price, I just leaned Kupp, because he's better than those guys, and Brad Holmes has his Rams ties.

Lions don’t really feel like a team that would do that though.

just a gut feeling.

Yeah, I'm just throwing ideas out there, though I do think Kupp makes a lot of sense for both sides.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Maybe he was playing poker,

Why would the NFL care about that?

 

[kface]

It's amazingly stupid, but it's 6 games. He could have pulled a hamstring to the same effect. I don't think you re-shape your whole draft strategy over it.

Here’s the thing with that reasoning though - he could still pull a hamstring and miss another 6 games.

Sitting out those 6 games doesn’t guarantee a healthy 12, it only guarantees he misses at least 6.

I’ve seen this logic used for drafting hurt players & I’ve seen it bite people in the asa many times.

Absolutely and he's essentially a rookie so it sets him back another 6 games from understanding the game and getting a feel for the NFL speed...

 

[jon_mx]

OBJ woukd have been the ideal pickup, since odds are he will only last about 6 weeks before blowing up.

 

[massraider]

Holy crap - the culture was just starting to look good in DET.

"Ain't no way the Lions take Jalen Carter, not with the culture that Man Mountain Big Daddy Dan Quinn is building here!"

 

[massraider]

OBJ woukd have been the ideal pickup, since odds are he will only last about 6 weeks before blowing up.

Perhaps Jameson took the under on this wager?

I kid, I kid

 

[BobbyLayne]

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11:46 AM · Apr 21, 2023

 

[travdogg]

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11:46 AM · Apr 21, 2023

I'm not really seeing the argument that the NFL are being hypocrites here.

There are different rules for players than there are for fans. What's wrong with that?

As for Williams, his value had only gotten lower since he was drafted (with St.Brown running away with the #1) now its even lower. I'm not sure I'd have Jameson Williams as a top-40 dynasty WR right now. His best case is he comes back as the clear #2 who is a boom/bust deep threat. Worst case, Detroit adds another really good WR, and Willams is way behind when he comes back, to a role that isn't fantasy friendly.

 

[eighsse2]

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11:46 AM · Apr 21, 2023

I get the apparent hypocrisy, but as someone implied or stated earlier, there's really no reason that there is any actual hypocrisy. Different things are appropriate at different times and different places. A fast food restaurant constantly advertises for people to come eat their food. But they reprimand the cook for eating the very food that they're advertising (while he's cooking). Things are just different.