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WR Josh Gordon, KC (3 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
:X 
Sums it up right now.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
mrip541
Footballguy
People I know will be enraged if their leagues hinge on the reversal of a year-long ban. Already heard complaints in multiple leagues. In some leagues there was a free agency period before week 1 waivers (espn default?) and people picked up Gordon for free. It's going to be an epic #%$ show.
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Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Rick James
Footballguy
If Gordon plays ANY GAMES this year I will be happy.
NJ
Footballguy
Last season he was suspended for the first 2 games and wasn't practicing with the team. First game back he had 19 targets, 10 catches, 146 rec yards, a TD and a 22 yard rush. I don't care if they need a crane to get him off his sofa, whenever he is reinstated, he'll be in my lineup.
DepthCharts
Footballguy
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
What kind of shape was he in when he was practicing with the team all summer. average Football Shape?
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
ya think Kyle?
VaTerp
Footballguy
BS
One player doesnt decide a FF league. And this a reflection of a larger problem with that type of waiver system not this unique situation.
mrip541
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
Spamming F5 allows users to override waivers? I don't get it.
If you're generally stating that it's unfair that a team is able to pick up a stud off waivers, then that's a crock of ####. Happens every year. Bad on you for not bidding more or picking him up at any time over the last month.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Ridiculous to complain about such a thing. The same rules apply to all owners in the league right? Same number of bench spots? Same ability to pick up free agents? And in order to take a chance on Gordon, they had to drop another player, right? These "enraged" people should be laughed at.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
Yeah, I didn't intend that to be a shot at you. I know plenty of people in plenty of leagues will make this argument.
But people complain about everything. If your league has this kind of waiver system then it is what it is. People will get over it.
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
It isn't a can of worms. Anyone who is currently being punished for a rule that no longer exists they should be "set free". If the rule changes the punishment currently being served must be adjusted.
This isn't about retroactively lifting suspensions, it is about looking at players currently being punished for a rule that no longer exists.
The can of worms is the lawsuits the league opens themselves up to over lost wages for upholding a punishment that is no longer valid.
It is more than just Gordon or Welker playing, it is about the income they are losing and they will sue to get paid.
This is far from over if it's a 6 - 10 game suspension. When this vote gets approved it gives Josh Gordon new foundation for basis to sue the NFL. He didn't have a solid ground to stand on prior to. Him taking on a job as a car salesman stretches his cause even further. He can argue that he barely passed the drug test with a score of 16 and now it is well under the new score of 50. He can argue that his appeal was decided in 2014. He can argue that now he is forced to make a living as a car salesman. Given these primary factors along with other subsidiary arguments (such as spinning his story that he was never deemed a drug addict) an injunction will be given by the court Judge. His team of lawyers were smart to advise him not to sue. They are simply waiting for the new grounds to become final and then use it against the NFL if he isn't fully reinstated. It has been a week since we last heard of a potential Josh Gordon lawsuit. I am certain that they have the paperwork ready to go if need be.
"Here’s a hypothetical: You were charged and convicted of a crime in the Winter of 2013 and immediately filed an appeal after the conviction. Sometime in 2014, the Court of Appeals affirms your conviction.
In the above hypothetical, your conviction does not become final until the Court of Appeals affirms your conviction. So if a new law is enacted while your case is on appeal, you get the benefit of that law.
How does this apply to Gordon? In a legal sense, I would argue (and believe) that Gordon’s suspension didn’t become final until his appeal was decided. Harold Henderson decided Gordon’s appeal on August 27."
"Here’s a hypothetical: You were charged and convicted of a crime in the Winter of 2013 and immediately filed an appeal after the conviction. Sometime in 2014, the Court of Appeals affirms your conviction.
In the above hypothetical, your conviction does not become final until the Court of Appeals affirms your conviction. So if a new law is enacted while your case is on appeal, you get the benefit of that law.
How does this apply to Gordon? In a legal sense, I would argue (and believe) that Gordon’s suspension didn’t become final until his appeal was decided. Harold Henderson decided Gordon’s appeal on August 27."
VaTerp
Footballguy
Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo 60s
8 games, which is what new policy likely calls for. RT @TK_Smith3: how long do you think Josh Gordon will be suspended after the voting?
Interesting that Garafolo is saying new policy likely calls for 8 games. Not sure what he would be referring to here if the threshold is raised that doesnt make sense. And there is no way a DUI arrest alone calls for 8 games.
8 games, which is what new policy likely calls for. RT @TK_Smith3: how long do you think Josh Gordon will be suspended after the voting?
Interesting that Garafolo is saying new policy likely calls for 8 games. Not sure what he would be referring to here if the threshold is raised that doesnt make sense. And there is no way a DUI arrest alone calls for 8 games.
Okay. Then why did those people who were in prison for violating prohibition not immediately freed when it ended? Because they were in prison for breaking a law. Just because the law changed doesn't mean they didn't break it.
Gordon broke a rule. He was punished. If the rule changed AFTERWARDS, Marty McFly didn't pull up in his Delorean and go back in time so Gordon never smoked the dope. He still broke the rule that was in place at that time.
If they didn't want to lose the income, they shouldn't have smoked up or taken Molly/amphetamines/adderal, whatever he took.
DepthCharts
Footballguy
I firmly believe ALL of these sportswriters and beat writers and insiders are looking for the same thing we are. to be right in our prediction. the difference between us and them? We get to use our predictions success in hopes of winning our fantasy league. While they get to use accurate predictions to bolster their career. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so these guys have to be saying "something" no matter how far off we may think it could be.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Jeremy
Footballguy
I won't complain or become "enraged", but it is a bit annoying that leagues that drafted after the news that his suspension was upheld are suddenly going to turn pretty drastically when someone gets him for blind bidding dollars or waiver priority instead of a late 1st round pick. Not that there's anything you can do about it. Unusual situation.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
If it's 8 games, I can live with that. Will have him for the final 6 games plus playoffs.
Following up on Salfino's tweet below, I know for a fact that Gordon will sue since he will have a solid ground to stand on based on the new policies. No way he agrees to be suspended 6 games without pay when he knows the court Judge will give him an injunction right away to start earning his salary.
"Michael Salfino @MichaelSalfino
· 7m
For Gordon to get say six games, the union would have to agree and he'd have to agree not to sue even tho legal under new policy."
"Michael Salfino @MichaelSalfino
· 7m
For Gordon to get say six games, the union would have to agree and he'd have to agree not to sue even tho legal under new policy."
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
I'm feeling good that we are gonna see him back this season now...
I've got a short bench - not sure I can afford to hold that long for questionable results when he returns - I need week 5 or sooner - I can hold him through his week 4 bye.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
If the agreement is what's being reported, then the NFL wants the new policy to apply only to players who failed tests in 2014. I say that because, clearly, the NFLPA would want the new policy to apply to all players currently being disciplined under the old one. In my post above, I hinted at one possible reason. If the NFL amnesties, say, Gordon, then it opens itself up to lawsuits by players who failed tests in 2013 and served their suspensions. Indeed, if I happened to be one of those players, then I would want back pay for games missed, etc.
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
Lifting Gordon's suspension is not retroactive.
What would be retroactive would be had he already served the suspension and they decided to retroactively pay his missed salary.
But lifting a penalty that is currently being served because the the rule that was broken has changed is not "retroactive".
Under what system of fairness should he continue to be punished for a rule that no longer applies to him?
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
NFL needs a win here. Getting Gordon on fantasy teams is a win 
Well if he does get 8 games, it's a disaster for those in the FBG format. Or those who spent nearly their whole bankroll on him. Talking week 11 he's back with the bye included. Last week of regular season in the FFPC. Your season could already be over for 3 weeks by then. I realize if you made the playoffs, it's well worth it. Getting there would be the issue though.
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tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure it would include games he's already sat out, so he'd be back week 9.
I don't see how it would be 8 games. It seems like players would either have their suspensions overturned or they won't. What, are they just going to cut them all in half?
shadyridr
Footballguy
week 10 they have a bye in week 4
Garafolo tweeted that's what he's hearing. Also Shefter reported hearing anywhere from 6-10 games..
