WR Josh Gordon, KC (6 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

re: Weather - Gordon played in the following cities last December:

Cleveland: 261/2

New England: 151/1

Cleveland: 67/1

New York (Metlife): 97/0

Pittsburgh: 82/1

... there a 30+ and 20+ yd run sprinkled in there too...

You know, you're right, I remember how that New England game was supposed to be such a disaster too and look what happened. The Cleveland games also, though I can't recall who those were against now. - ETA: Although... the last three are not exactly the stuff that championships are made from...

 

[Sabertooth]

Hold on, am I reading this correctly?

Wait, let's clear something up first... I ALWAYS associate Dynasty w/PPR... As Ive never seen or been in one that wasnt.

So, with that said... you guys consider Gordon for Lacy a "fair deal" in dynasty? SERIOUSLY?

Im not even saying this as a "Gordonite"... I could rip of a list of 10-15WRs eaaaaasily that I wouldnt trade straight up for Lacy. In PPR, for me, RBs are plug and play... I dont care nor need an "elite" guy...

I want the studliest, catch grabbing WRs available.... No way I would trade ANY elite WR1, or most Strong WR1s for even the BEST RB... Shelf Life of each position makes this even more of a no brainer for me.

Dude, you schtick is just that. And it isn't good fantasy strategy. Gordon is NOT the #1 wideout in fantasy. He is NOT the #1 prospect. But I get your schtick and quite enjoyed it. But long term, Gordon is probably going to run afoul of the rules again.

 

[Sabertooth]

Hold on, am I reading this correctly?

Wait, let's clear something up first... I ALWAYS associate Dynasty w/PPR... As Ive never seen or been in one that wasnt.

So, with that said... you guys consider Gordon for Lacy a "fair deal" in dynasty? SERIOUSLY?

Im not even saying this as a "Gordonite"... I could rip of a list of 10-15WRs eaaaaasily that I wouldnt trade straight up for Lacy. In PPR, for me, RBs are plug and play... I dont care nor need an "elite" guy...

I want the studliest, catch grabbing WRs available.... No way I would trade ANY elite WR1, or most Strong WR1s for even the BEST RB... Shelf Life of each position makes this even more of a no brainer for me.

Yeah but when 15 wide receivers might be studly, then none of them are actually studly. You do understand the concepts of VBD right? What do you define as an ELITE WR1?

 

[Soulfly3]

Hold on, am I reading this correctly?

Wait, let's clear something up first... I ALWAYS associate Dynasty w/PPR... As Ive never seen or been in one that wasnt.

So, with that said... you guys consider Gordon for Lacy a "fair deal" in dynasty? SERIOUSLY?

Im not even saying this as a "Gordonite"... I could rip of a list of 10-15WRs eaaaaasily that I wouldnt trade straight up for Lacy. In PPR, for me, RBs are plug and play... I dont care nor need an "elite" guy...

I want the studliest, catch grabbing WRs available.... No way I would trade ANY elite WR1, or most Strong WR1s for even the BEST RB... Shelf Life of each position makes this even more of a no brainer for me.

Dude, you schtick is just that. And it isn't good fantasy strategy. Gordon is NOT the #1 wideout in fantasy. He is NOT the #1 prospect. But I get your schtick and quite enjoyed it. But long term, Gordon is probably going to run afoul of the rules again.

That post is not limited to Gordon. It's written plain as day in there.

Bolded and underlined.

As for whether or not Gordon is the #1 wideout in fantasy is easily debatable... but I dont need to do that.. He's an elite WR1, end of story

 

[Sabertooth]

To be quite honest, the cornerstone of a dynasty team needs to be Gronk or Graham.

 

[Sabertooth]

Hold on, am I reading this correctly?

Wait, let's clear something up first... I ALWAYS associate Dynasty w/PPR... As Ive never seen or been in one that wasnt.

So, with that said... you guys consider Gordon for Lacy a "fair deal" in dynasty? SERIOUSLY?

Im not even saying this as a "Gordonite"... I could rip of a list of 10-15WRs eaaaaasily that I wouldnt trade straight up for Lacy. In PPR, for me, RBs are plug and play... I dont care nor need an "elite" guy...

I want the studliest, catch grabbing WRs available.... No way I would trade ANY elite WR1, or most Strong WR1s for even the BEST RB... Shelf Life of each position makes this even more of a no brainer for me.

Dude, you schtick is just that. And it isn't good fantasy strategy. Gordon is NOT the #1 wideout in fantasy. He is NOT the #1 prospect. But I get your schtick and quite enjoyed it. But long term, Gordon is probably going to run afoul of the rules again.

That post is not limited to Gordon. It's written plain as day in there.

Bolded and underlined.

As for whether or not Gordon is the #1 wideout in fantasy is easily debatable... but I dont need to do that.. He's an elite WR1, end of story

Define elite? How can you be elite if 12 others guys are doing the same thing week in week out?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Point of clarification (I'm asking):

I apologize in advance, I know its been discussed, I just haven't paid attention since I'm strictly redraft. I've had him stashed in two leagues and loving his prospects; he's the main reason (along with Jamaal) I won a title last year.

• Is Gordon still one strike away from a long suspension?
• Or is he now in a new program with a clean slate?
• Or is it he has to stay clean for a year and then he has a clean slate? When is that year up, Spring 2015?

TIA

 

[Soulfly3]

To be quite honest, the cornerstone of a dynasty team needs to be Gronk or Graham.

I wish I had either, but I dont... And both teams that own them are in the middle of the pack in our dynasty league, anyways. That's with 1.5PPR for TEs

Anyways... Point being, I dont build for Value - I build for maximum points. For maximum time. As I said, Id love to have a stud RB, but not at the expense of a stud WR... Not in my league anyways.

I can start as little RBs as one, and a Max of 4. Same as WRs... Min 1 Max 4.

I aaaaaaalways min 1 my RBs and Max 4 my WRs

thats how I build, draft, and do well.... BUt that's me.... I get everyone has their own strategy

 

[Soulfly3]

Define elite? How can you be elite if 12 others guys are doing the same thing week in week out?

1600+/9 is elite. Why? Cuz no one else did it.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The fact that you could have picked up this guy for nothing more than an early season waiver is what makes him so valuable. Lacy, etc. would have cost you a lot more.

 

[newbie_bewbie]

Hold on, am I reading this correctly?

Wait, let's clear something up first... I ALWAYS associate Dynasty w/PPR... As Ive never seen or been in one that wasnt.

So, with that said... you guys consider Gordon for Lacy a "fair deal" in dynasty? SERIOUSLY?

Im not even saying this as a "Gordonite"... I could rip of a list of 10-15WRs eaaaaasily that I wouldnt trade straight up for Lacy. In PPR, for me, RBs are plug and play... I dont care nor need an "elite" guy...

I want the studliest, catch grabbing WRs available.... No way I would trade ANY elite WR1, or most Strong WR1s for even the BEST RB... Shelf Life of each position makes this even more of a no brainer for me.

Dude, you schtick is just that. And it isn't good fantasy strategy. Gordon is NOT the #1 wideout in fantasy. He is NOT the #1 prospect. But I get your schtick and quite enjoyed it. But long term, Gordon is probably going to run afoul of the rules again.

That post is not limited to Gordon. It's written plain as day in there.

Bolded and underlined.

As for whether or not Gordon is the #1 wideout in fantasy is easily debatable... but I dont need to do that.. He's an elite WR1, end of story

Define elite? How can you be elite if 12 others guys are doing the same thing week in week out?

Personally, I like Elite RB's better, but even with 12 other guys who are considered elite, there are 32 teams, each with 2-3 WR's on the field, so we'll say 2 anyway. That makes 64 WR's so being one of those 12 out of 64 at the lowest is kind of special. Fantasy wise however, depending on your league size, every team should have atleast one "elite WR".

On the flip side, I like study WR's because I can count on them to produce, where as RB's will get pretty much guaranteed touches. Every team has a starting RB (that doesn't mean they're any good), so they'll atleast get those guaranteed touches, even the most elite of the elite WR's have had days where they've only gotten 1 or 2 catches since more things factor into their production (QB, defense, weather, other WR's, etc)

So, overall, I'm not really sure what I'm trying to say, but to each their own.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Buffalo Sunday Hi 51, Low 36. 50% chance of rain.

 

[Soulfly3]

Buffalo Sunday Hi 51, Low 36. 50% chance of rain.

Gordon at Buffalo, Sunday: Hi of 300yds, Low of 120. 80% chance of a TD

 

[White Lightning]

The fact that you could have picked up this guy for nothing more than an early season waiver is what makes him so valuable. Lacy, etc. would have cost you a lot more.

This. I have Gordon in all of my 3 leagues and he may propel me to some championships despite missing on McCoy and Gio.

 

[Sabertooth]

Define elite? How can you be elite if 12 others guys are doing the same thing week in week out?

1600+/9 is elite. Why? Cuz no one else did it.

No way Gordon reaches that number this year.

 

[Soulfly3]

Define elite? How can you be elite if 12 others guys are doing the same thing week in week out?

1600+/9 is elite. Why? Cuz no one else did it.

No way Gordon reaches that number this year.

Still on pace for 720 yards tho ... which prorates out to 128/1920 over a season.

but no TDs :(

 

[Wrigley]

The fact that you could have picked up this guy for nothing more than an early season waiver is what makes him so valuable. Lacy, etc. would have cost you a lot more.

Wanted to pick him up week 3, waited and got him in week 8

Hoping he gets me in

Looking for a monster game this weekend

 

[TDorBust]

Define elite? How can you be elite if 12 others guys are doing the same thing week in week out?

1600+/9 is elite. Why? Cuz no one else did it.

No way Gordon reaches that number this year.

But who are you taking the rest of the way over Gordon? I would put my chips in Gordon's corner against pretty much anyone.

Who are these 12 other people doing exactly like Gordon every single week?

This is my thought process in PPR right now for redraft

--Elite with guaranteed touches--

Gordon

Brown

--Elite but could miss touches based on tandem--

Nelson

Thomas

Sanders

--WR1--

Green

Beckham

Cobb

Jones

--WR1 but not as stable--

Johnson

Bryant

Evans

 

[mnmplayer]

If Gordon is on the field, as was the case in 2013, there is nobody I'd rather have out there in my WR lineup.

 

[LawFitz]

The #1 PPG WR - including 2013 and 2014 - is back. Welcome, Josh!

I really like Lacy, so if you're into trading for that I won't blame, but I'm generally a build out from QB and WR guy, so I'd pass on that deal personally in redraft unless my WR depth vs RB depth charts warranted a positional value switch (i.e. I was especially deep at WR).

In dynasty, it depends on what you think about Josh's prospects of staying clean. If he does, it would be very lopsided in favor of Gordon based on expected longevity, not to mention a significant difference in individual talent. Really the only way that deal makes sense is to divest of Gordon's character risk at reasonably good (not great) value.

 

[gianmarco]

I think the majority of people (except Soulfly) would value a stud RB over a stud WR in any format even PPR. Id rather have Lacy than Gordon. Its a no-brainer.

Not true, at all.

Some of the top "Dynasty guys" on this forum, both paid and unpaid, agree with me.

I know - I speak with them often.

I can see both points and I used to agree with you a few years ago. But with the way the NFL is today, WRs are a commodity.

I dont trust RBs with Today's NFL as is, aside from MAYBE 2-3... does that make those 2-3 guys more valuable? ABSOLUTELY.

Does it make them significantly more valuable to me, in a dynasty league, when I kno the NFL is totally pass heavy now, RBs are severely devalued (and now starting to be severely underpaid) and have shorter shelflifes than the top WRs.

Would I like a Forte on my roster? Hell yes. Would I trade a Gordon, Dez, Demariyus, AJ Green etc to get him? Not a chance.

Funny, just took a look at the top 3 teams in my big $$$ dynasty league - none of them have a truly elite RB

And the one guy with Foster, Peterson and Lesean is near dead last (tho health/misc reasons aided in that... but he didnt win last year either)

The following is the first round and a couple picks in a startup dynasty draft only one year ago in 2013 (1.5 ppr for TE and 1 ppr for others). Notice the perils of targeting RBs. Again, only 1 1/2 years have passed.01.01 Doug Martin, RB1

01.02 Calvin Johnson, WR1

01.03 Trent Richardson, RB2

01.04 Jimmy Graham, TE1

01.05 AJ Green, WR2

01.06 Adrian Peterson, RB3

01.07 Jamaal Charles, RB4

01.08 CJ Spiller, RB5

01.09 Dez Bryant, WR3

01.10 LeSean McCoy, RB6

01.11 Rob Gronkowski, TE2

01.12 Arian Foster, RB7

02.01 Julio Jones, WR4

02.02 Jason Witten, TE3

02.03 Alfred Morris, RB8

 

[Soulfly3]

^^

Yup. RB is a volatile position. Extremely.

WR much safer, with longer production.

 

[georg013]

Hold on, am I reading this correctly?

Wait, let's clear something up first... I ALWAYS associate Dynasty w/PPR... As Ive never seen or been in one that wasnt.

So, with that said... you guys consider Gordon for Lacy a "fair deal" in dynasty? SERIOUSLY?

Im not even saying this as a "Gordonite"... I could rip of a list of 10-15WRs eaaaaasily that I wouldnt trade straight up for Lacy. In PPR, for me, RBs are plug and play... I dont care nor need an "elite" guy...

I want the studliest, catch grabbing WRs available.... No way I would trade ANY elite WR1, or most Strong WR1s for even the BEST RB... Shelf Life of each position makes this even more of a no brainer for me.

Dude, you schtick is just that. And it isn't good fantasy strategy. Gordon is NOT the #1 wideout in fantasy. He is NOT the #1 prospect. But I get your schtick and quite enjoyed it. But long term, Gordon is probably going to run afoul of the rules again.

Wishful thinking from a non owner?

 

[Sabertooth]

Hold on, am I reading this correctly?

Wait, let's clear something up first... I ALWAYS associate Dynasty w/PPR... As Ive never seen or been in one that wasnt.

So, with that said... you guys consider Gordon for Lacy a "fair deal" in dynasty? SERIOUSLY?

Im not even saying this as a "Gordonite"... I could rip of a list of 10-15WRs eaaaaasily that I wouldnt trade straight up for Lacy. In PPR, for me, RBs are plug and play... I dont care nor need an "elite" guy...

I want the studliest, catch grabbing WRs available.... No way I would trade ANY elite WR1, or most Strong WR1s for even the BEST RB... Shelf Life of each position makes this even more of a no brainer for me.

Dude, you schtick is just that. And it isn't good fantasy strategy. Gordon is NOT the #1 wideout in fantasy. He is NOT the #1 prospect. But I get your schtick and quite enjoyed it. But long term, Gordon is probably going to run afoul of the rules again.

Wishful thinking from a non owner?

Quite the contrary. I own Gordon in one dynasty and two redraft leagues. I hope he goes out of his mind this next month. But he isn't the #1 wideout. I'd trade him away for Antonio Brown in a heartbeat. I'd probably trade him away for some safer options like AJ Green and Mike Evans as well.

 

[Soulfly3]

Quite the contrary. I own Gordon in one dynasty and two redraft leagues. I hope he goes out of his mind this next month. But he isn't the #1 wideout. I'd trade him away for Antonio Brown in a heartbeat. I'd probably trade him away for some safer options like AJ Green and Mike Evans as well.

Ok, but he was #1 in PPR last season, and is #5 right now in points per game (w a 1 game sample size)

So... saying he isnt the #1 wideout is very arguable... as I mentioned before

risk wise, you may not want to deal with him - but that doesnt mean he isnt what he is.

 

[Buffaloes]

Who are these top elite receivers? Calvin? AJ Green? Julio? Alshon? Marshall? Thomas? Dez? Jordy? Maclin? Hilton? Cobb? Sanders? Tate? Gordon?

Any one of those guys (and several others I've probably missed) could suffice as your WR1. Any one of them can put up numbers right on par with Gordon in a give week (or season).

which of those guys has put up the same numbers (or better) over a 16-game stretch as Gordon's current 16-game stretch?

 

[Chaka]

Gordon is a beast on a mission. The risk averse will regret cutting bait, or not investing in the first place.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Browns All-Pro wideout Josh Gordon told friend and fellow receiver Nate Burleson in an interview for NFL Network that he has felt alienated by some in the organization since being suspended for 10 games for violating the league's drug policy.

Gordon returned to action in Week 12 to catch eight passes for 120 yards and key a critical victory in Atlanta.

"The lowest point of all this I think was the disassociation from a lot of friends you thought were close or you thought were kind of cool with really not checking on you anymore, [not] hitting you up anymore, [not] wanting to hang out," Gordon said. "As far as even people in here (with the Browns), I don't want to throw names around, but I can see it.

"I'm definitely really observant so I see how people might just be more standoffish (than) they were before. It's kind of like a disease. People they want to see it, but they don't really want to touch it."

Gordon and the Browns are at Buffalo on Sunday.

- CBS

 

[Soulfly3]

Who are these top elite receivers? Calvin? AJ Green? Julio? Alshon? Marshall? Thomas? Dez? Jordy? Maclin? Hilton? Cobb? Sanders? Tate? Gordon?

Any one of those guys (and several others I've probably missed) could suffice as your WR1. Any one of them can put up numbers right on par with Gordon in a give week (or season).

which of those guys has put up the same numbers (or better) over a 16-game stretch as Gordon's current 16-game stretch?

only 1 was even close - Prime Tron - aka the best season ever

 

[Faust]

Mike Pettine not loathe to challenge Josh Gordon

 

[cvnpoka]

^^

Yup. RB is a volatile position. Extremely.

WR much safer, with longer production.

i agree, but i disagree with your conclusion. the scarcity and volatility actually makes young and productive rbs even more valuable. esp when compared to how many highly productive wr are currently out there.

 

[Ilov80s]

This just isn't fair for DB's. One of the best WR's in the game coming in with fresh legs. He'll have a 200 yard game before the WEEK is up.

Agreed.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Mike Pettine not loathe to challenge Josh Gordon

Sometimes I get the feeling Pettine would be more comfortable with less talented players, your no-name types who band together to tough out tough wins:

Pettine wants Gordon to be more aggressive in going after the ball on some throws. He referred to the throws on ESPN Radio’s "Mike & Mike" as “50-50 balls,” when making a catch or not sometimes comes down to effort.“As good as Josh is, and he knows this, just the competitive part down the field,” Pettine said. “To be able to go up and get a ball.”

Pettine made it clear he was not talking about the interception in the back of the end zone against Atlanta. Gordon said he was pushed on the play, and Pettine said Gordon probably never saw the ball.

But there were times Gordon might have been more aggressive in attacking the ball. Pettine didn’t specify when, but on one fade pattern in the second quarter, Gordon didn’t seem to fight through the coverage, and on Brian Hoyer’s last interception, Gordon made no effort for the ball.

“Just having been with Josh through the spring and the training camp ... if you have to look for a weakness -- and there aren’t many -- but this is one,” Pettine said. “Of just that aggressive part of it. Kind of being that power forward when the ball’s up in the air and going up and attacking it.”

Frankly I think he does just fine.

Gordon had one of those screens last week, he used to do that at Baylor, love that play.

The coach made no secret what he thinks of having Gordon back.“We don’t want to force [the ball to Gordon], but we also know that his guy is a Pro Bowl-caliber receiver,” Pettine said. “He’s a heck of a weapon. We think he helps the run game from the standpoint of, how do you take away an elite receiver and take away the run at the same time? That is a dilemma, and I know it firsthand from being in this league as long as I have.

“He’s a playmaker. He’s a guy who’s shown that even something as simple as a pass from two yards behind the line of scrimmage, that he can navigate his way on a wide receiver screen for 15 or 20 yards.”

Actually he can take those all the way.

 

[Sabertooth]

Who are these top elite receivers? Calvin? AJ Green? Julio? Alshon? Marshall? Thomas? Dez? Jordy? Maclin? Hilton? Cobb? Sanders? Tate? Gordon?

Any one of those guys (and several others I've probably missed) could suffice as your WR1. Any one of them can put up numbers right on par with Gordon in a give week (or season).

which of those guys has put up the same numbers (or better) over a 16-game stretch as Gordon's current 16-game stretch?

Over the last sixteen games, Gordon has missed 10. So....

 

[Sabertooth]

Like I said, I have Gordon in 75% of leagues I am in.

That said I think it is folly to think Gordon will suddenly be squeeky clean like Calvin Johnson or AJ Green.

 

[I Am the Stig]

Like I said, I have Gordon in 75% of leagues I am in.

That said I think it is folly to think Gordon will suddenly be squeeky clean like Calvin Johnson or AJ Green.

The problem is, Gordon is playing so whT is your point in regards to Fantasy this week?

 

[joey]

Maybe he's talking dynasty.

I traded Gordon away for a 2015 1st in the heat of all the drama earlier this season.

Part of me regrets it (though I'm still in the playoffs in that dynasty league) but part of me will be glad during the offseason that I don't have to hold my breath on this guy staying clean.

 

[georg013]

I own him and never once considered selling low for a first round pick. His "knuckle head factor" is bourne out of a desire to sensationalise drama. I have zero worry about him ever being suspended again. I expect a top 3 receiver from here on out. If you are a worrier, you should probably invest in Fitzgerald.

 

[Rimez]

I own him and never once considered selling low for a first round pick. His "knuckle head factor" is bourne out of a desire to sensationalise drama. I have zero worry about him ever being suspended again. I expect a top 3 receiver from here on out. If you are a worrier, you should probably invest in Fitzgerald.

He has been popped for weed 4 times and recently took up drunk driving. "Worrying" is an odd way to put it since none of us are his parents, but there is a very real risk that his nfl career could be over at a moments notice. I have him in redraft and wouldnt move him for anyone, but if it was dynasty id trade him for lacy without thinking twice. If youre not concerned about it thats fine, but its a long offseason for a rich 23 year old to be hanging with his pothead friends.

 

[Chaka]

He passed something like 70 drug tests and barely failed on one of two samples, if they tested sample B first we would be talking about how many first round picks would it take to pry him away from his owners.

 

[Soulfly3]

IF he were to get caught again hed be a gone a year....

If he stays clean for a year, he gets his entire record wiped clean under the new policy

Basically the same if any elite WR tore an ACL

Look at it that way... Not that you'll need to, but if it makes you feel better

 

[The Man With No Name]

IF he were to get caught again hed be a gone a year....

If he stays clean for a year, he gets his entire record wiped clean under the new policy

Basically the same if any elite WR tore an ACL

Look at it that way... Not that you'll need to, but if it makes you feel better

When did that year start?

 

[Soulfly3]

IF he were to get caught again hed be a gone a year....

If he stays clean for a year, he gets his entire record wiped clean under the new policy

Basically the same if any elite WR tore an ACL

Look at it that way... Not that you'll need to, but if it makes you feel better

When did that year start?

That, i dont know

 

[Ilov80s]

Nietzsche pretty much summed the Gordon situation when he said, "he who has a why to live can bear almost any how."

 

[I Am the Stig]

Maybe he's talking dynasty.

I traded Gordon away for a 2015 1st in the heat of all the drama earlier this season.

Part of me regrets it (though I'm still in the playoffs in that dynasty league) but part of me will be glad during the offseason that I don't have to hold my breath on this guy staying clean.

So, since you own no stock in Gordon you are essentially here to root for him to fail another test so that your trade looks good and you can say "I told you so" in a forum?

That is adorable.

 

[rockaction]

Nietzsche pretty much summed the Gordon situation when he said, "he who has a why to live can bear almost any how."

Aw, we don't have to ruin this with Nietzsche, do we? And that lovely Wharton quote...

Well, you know better than I do, but I gripe. <_<

 

[Soulfly3]

“Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life... as by the obstacles which he has overcome while trying to succeed.”

- Booker T. Gordon

 

[MAC_32]

Mike Pettine not loathe to challenge Josh Gordon

Sometimes I get the feeling Pettine would be more comfortable with less talented players, your no-name types who band together to tough out tough wins:

Pettine wants Gordon to be more aggressive in going after the ball on some throws. He referred to the throws on ESPN Radio’s "Mike & Mike" as “50-50 balls,” when making a catch or not sometimes comes down to effort.

“As good as Josh is, and he knows this, just the competitive part down the field,” Pettine said. “To be able to go up and get a ball.”

Pettine made it clear he was not talking about the interception in the back of the end zone against Atlanta. Gordon said he was pushed on the play, and Pettine said Gordon probably never saw the ball.

But there were times Gordon might have been more aggressive in attacking the ball. Pettine didn’t specify when, but on one fade pattern in the second quarter, Gordon didn’t seem to fight through the coverage, and on Brian Hoyer’s last interception, Gordon made no effort for the ball.

“Just having been with Josh through the spring and the training camp ... if you have to look for a weakness -- and there aren’t many -- but this is one,” Pettine said. “Of just that aggressive part of it. Kind of being that power forward when the ball’s up in the air and going up and attacking it.”

Frankly I think he does just fine.

Gordon had one of those screens last week, he used to do that at Baylor, love that play.

The coach made no secret what he thinks of having Gordon back.

“We don’t want to force [the ball to Gordon], but we also know that his guy is a Pro Bowl-caliber receiver,” Pettine said. “He’s a heck of a weapon. We think he helps the run game from the standpoint of, how do you take away an elite receiver and take away the run at the same time? That is a dilemma, and I know it firsthand from being in this league as long as I have.

“He’s a playmaker. He’s a guy who’s shown that even something as simple as a pass from two yards behind the line of scrimmage, that he can navigate his way on a wide receiver screen for 15 or 20 yards.”

Actually he can take those all the way.

he is trying to motivate Gordon to be even better than he already is, good for him, love this guy.He's absolutely right about it too. Gordon's effort on contested passes has always been spotty. Clean that up and stay off the bud then he could be > Calvin.

 

[Soulfly3]

When he catches a screen, Im always confident he's getting about 10-20yards, minimum..

Rewatched last weeks game, he was about 5yds short of a TD on a screen that he took for about 20.

That wouldve been MUSIC.

 

[squistion]

I own him and never once considered selling low for a first round pick. His "knuckle head factor" is bourne out of a desire to sensationalise drama. I have zero worry about him ever being suspended again. I expect a top 3 receiver from here on out. If you are a worrier, you should probably invest in Fitzgerald.

"bourne out"? Well that makes sense, I guess, in that Robert Ludlum did also sensationalize drama.