5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Reports that Gordon offered Rog a nice spliff, you know, sort of as a symbolic olive branch are as yet unsubstantiated.
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WR Josh Gordon, KC (3 Viewers)
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Dezbelief
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Gordon should be thanking Manziel. Johnny has the uncanny ability to make Gordon look like an absolute saint.
georg013
Footballguy
Hopefully he has been able to weed out his questionable decision making. But if we are being blunt, I have to question whether or not he will be able to roll up on the competition and smoke DBs the way he did in 2013. Just because he talks to the commish and signs reinstatement papers doesn't mean this opportunity won't go up in a cloud of smoke. He has never been known as a high character guy. But like the pot calling the kettle black, let he who is without fault cast the first stone. I hope he rises to the occasion and crushes/burns the haters.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
Now I think you're just stirring the potgeorg013 said:
grateful zed
Footballguy
if he does play, i predict first game back, he will get skunked.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
So, if reinstated, where does he go in redraft? He's an intriguing player to consider. I definitely want to keep an eye on this situation since my draft is a week before the start of the season.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I don't take him until rd 4-5 probably if I even touch him. He was unreal, but that was two years ago, and he hasn't exactly been hanging out at church. For what you'll probably have to pay for him I'll let someone else draft him.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Gordons big season the Browns had Norv Turner, no running game to speak of (Richardson traded to the Colts, Dion Lewis injured in preseason) they had to bring a washed up 32 year old Willis McGahee in and convert their FB to RB.
2013 the Browns had 681 passing attempts 159 of which went to Gordon, not likely to happen in Hue Jackson offense.
The following season with Jay Gruden as the OC he played 5 games 47 targets 24 receptions 303 yards. 6.4 yards per target not impressive at all.
I wouldn't bother with this guy as anything but a last pick of my draft. Chasing a lost 2013 season and circumstances that are unlikely to be repeated is fools gold.
2013 the Browns had 681 passing attempts 159 of which went to Gordon, not likely to happen in Hue Jackson offense.
The following season with Jay Gruden as the OC he played 5 games 47 targets 24 receptions 303 yards. 6.4 yards per target not impressive at all.
I wouldn't bother with this guy as anything but a last pick of my draft. Chasing a lost 2013 season and circumstances that are unlikely to be repeated is fools gold.
He might not get actual reinstatement until late August, so no real time to learn a new offense , while the 5 guys Hue Jackson has drafted and invested in will have been there from day 1.
I'd draft him as my 4th or 5th WR depending how my team stacked up at that point, which means someone else is drafting him first.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I took him late in an mfl 10, that's the only real place I likely draft him.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The last two season Hue Jackson threw the ball just over 500 times with a 50/50 run to pass ratio. Similar balance if you go back his Raiders teams as well.
Best case scenario for Gordon would be 8 targets per game which would be 25% of the targets. With his career catch rate of 53% would be 70 receptions over 16 games. That seems like his ceiling.
He could certainly be worth starting and the play action passing game good for him. More valuable in a standard league than PPR. His catch rate is pretty poor but this is offset by usually high yards per reception.
I'm just not confident in him being reinstated or of him staying out of trouble long if he is.
Best case scenario for Gordon would be 8 targets per game which would be 25% of the targets. With his career catch rate of 53% would be 70 receptions over 16 games. That seems like his ceiling.
He could certainly be worth starting and the play action passing game good for him. More valuable in a standard league than PPR. His catch rate is pretty poor but this is offset by usually high yards per reception.
I'm just not confident in him being reinstated or of him staying out of trouble long if he is.
ZWK
Footballguy
In 2013, Gordon had 117.6 receiving yards per game, which is the 2nd most since 1999 . He averaged 10.35 yards per target, on an offense that threw for 4.59 YPT when throwing elsewhere, which makes it the best season by any WR in Yards Per Target Relative to Teammates. There were some good things about his situation and some bad things (Campbell/Weeden/Hoyer at QB), but his production was way too good to just chalk it up to a good situation.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah he was very good Z. Not saying he wasn't and he certainly could still be that same player again (or still is).
I was just trying to make clear that the situation will likely be very different than 2013 and the targets fewer. Also that Gordon was not the same player in the 5 games he played in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
Gordon had his amazing season in Norv's Coryell offense. Shanahan and Hue Jackson run a west coast offense.
Good players are good in any offense. Kyle Shanahan's offense wasn't that great for the Falcons either.
I was just trying to make clear that the situation will likely be very different than 2013 and the targets fewer. Also that Gordon was not the same player in the 5 games he played in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
Gordon had his amazing season in Norv's Coryell offense. Shanahan and Hue Jackson run a west coast offense.
Good players are good in any offense. Kyle Shanahan's offense wasn't that great for the Falcons either.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sebowski
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Trying to project what will happen with the Browns gives me a headache. I haven't thought about the possibility of Gordon also being in the mix. If he is I have no idea how many games it will be.
About the only two Browns players I have thought about projections for are Coleman and Duke Johnson.
If Gordon is reinstated I would expect him to be the top WR and in AJ Greens role, which could reduce Colemans targets if he was then the WR 2. So that is kind of annoying.
I was thinking Coleman gets about 130 targets as the WR 1 but if Gordon is involved I suppose that might only be 100.
About the only two Browns players I have thought about projections for are Coleman and Duke Johnson.
If Gordon is reinstated I would expect him to be the top WR and in AJ Greens role, which could reduce Colemans targets if he was then the WR 2. So that is kind of annoying.
I was thinking Coleman gets about 130 targets as the WR 1 but if Gordon is involved I suppose that might only be 100.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
No. But I think what he did last season was a fluke.
I read earlier that he was having a hernia surgery. I was not planning to draft him.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
All the medical people I heard said the hernia is no big deal. Watch his highlights, didn't look like a fluke to me. He looked really good and we know Hue loves his TEs.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Not saying sports hernia surgery is a big deal. Lots of players recover from this just fine and it doesn't even take that long to heal from it.
However there is a reason why he hasn't done anything up until this point of his career, I am guessing there is a long list of injuries with this guy that I haven't bothered to look into.
Jordan Cameron looked great during his fluke year with the Browns also. In fact the Browns are a fluke performance factory.
However there is a reason why he hasn't done anything up until this point of his career, I am guessing there is a long list of injuries with this guy that I haven't bothered to look into.
Jordan Cameron looked great during his fluke year with the Browns also. In fact the Browns are a fluke performance factory.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Ian RapoportVerified account@RapSheet
#Browns WR Josh Gordon is being reinstated, source said. He’s suspended for the first 4 games.
MattFancy
Footballguy
No chance I'm taking a guy suspended for the 1st 4 games of 2016, that also hasn't played in a game since 2014 in the 5th/6th.
Sebowski
Footballguy
I disagree. He's my 4th WR in my PPR Dynasty (Julio, Alshon, Cooks). And that's how I'll feel about him in redraft. Maybe take him as my 3rd. Still don't want to have to count on him. He burned me a bit on his partial season playing poorly. I haven't forgotten that. Or his wonder season. His truth may be in the middle there.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Good for him, hope he keeps it up
massraider
Footballguy
I would take Gordon over every one of these guys.
Gordon+ 4 week replacement WR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this list.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Does he play for the Browns this season? Or trade him for a conditional pick or something?
MattFancy
Footballguy
But what are we going to see from him? He's played 5 games the last 2 seasons. How many guys have missed 27 of a possible 32 games and come back and been fine? Granted, it's not like it was due to injury, but we have no idea what he's going to do or how he fits into the offense now.
Sebowski
Footballguy
He actually looks about right on that list without the suspension. The suspension puts him just after it for me.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Good point. I think if you're the Browns and a team offers you something for him, you take just based on the fact that he hasn't proven he can stay out of trouble.
Steelers should trade for him. He can slide into the M. Bryant role, and as a bonus, fit right in with the pot culture there...
