WR Josh Gordon, KC (4 Viewers)

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Sorry. Error. Error.

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=6832575&src=desktop

This is an article talking about the new appeals process for substances, the week before it was signed. The only reason I posted it was to highlight the change. The change, from the old CBA, is that now players can get an appeal with an independent arbitrator. Which means the league must prove, as far as I can gather (another poster provided the "burden of proof" topic earlier, so we can scroll back for that). IMO Goodell's Wild West style suspensions have been greatly curtailed since August 2011, since now an impartial party can get involved. We have all seen the new CBA in here multiple times. I think this shows the subtle difference, and I think we have seen it play out (or not play out). Example of no action/suspension: Lynch. And we have seen guys win: Sherman.

"But league sources told Schefter that Goodell would retain exclusive control over the personal conduct policy.

However, players likely will be able to appeal suspensions under the drug policy to an independent arbitrator, league sources told Schefter. "

So let me get this straight. You are using an article from 3 years ago, BEFORE THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WAS FINALIZED, which specifically says that the parts pertaining to the personal conduct policy (at the time of this article) was still being negotiated, as your "evidence" that Goodell's powers to suspend players without a guilty verdict didn't exist? Even though this thread contains a link to the current NFL personal conduct policy which specifically states that players can be suspended without being found guilty of anything?With regards to your examples: Just because Goodell hasn't taken action against Lynch, doesn't mean that he can't. With regards to Sherman, that wasn't under the PCP, it was a drug policy, which is the only place an independent arbitrator is required under the new CBA. If Goodell decides to suspend Gordon (or anyone else) without a guilty verdict (which is his right) under the PCP, any appeal would be heard by Goodell or his designee, NOT an independant arbitrator.

And you want others to "slow their role?" Maybe you should actually read the article (or at least the part you posted, which specifically says "league sources told Schefter that Goodell would retain exclusive control over the personal conduct policy" before you post.

Geez dude you are a piece of work. You make soulfly look like Gandhi.The point is, and I'll say it for the third time, NOW (as opposed to BEFORE THE CURRENT CBA) players that get suspended for substances CAN NOW APPEAL THROUGH INDEPENDENT ARBITRATION. I didn't reference Ben, others did. I merely pointed out that things have changed since then, as far as what is actually done.

BEFORE, Goodell could suspend whenever he felt like it, and not provide the player with any rationale or evidence to why. NOW he can still do that (technically). He just hasn't, or least hasn't substantially suspended anyone who was not arrested for off field activity since.

You can point to Britt, and that's correct. But that was a single game for multiple offenses, including arrests. Ben got 6 games (reduced to 4) for one "offense". The fact remains that he is not handing down these giant suspensions without a charge anymore.

If you can't see the difference now as compared to then, I can't help you. You can point to what the CBA says all day, but what it states and what he has chosen to do (or not do) is night and day.

You may now continue the name calling, blasphemy, and sarcasm parade. Thank you.

Funny that you tell Bayhawks to "continue the name calling, blasphemy, and sarcasm parade", when that is what you are doing....all he did is school you

Really? Still waiting for his example of a player not arrested and not popped for substances, yet still suspended since August 11, 2011. Surely there is one, right? Since this part of the CBA is unchanged, and since it's the same commissioner following the same rules? Right?

 

[massraider]

Weird that I am hoping Soulfly3 returns to class this joint up.

 

[Concept Coop]

CLE needs to give Gordon something like the "support system" (around the clock star WR sitter, to protect their investment) DAL has provided for Dez Bryant. I don't think he has had any trouble since they instituted that program.

Very different situations. Dez wasn't an addict, to my knowledge. I'm not a professional by any means, but based on my family/social circle experiences--he needs to want help and be ready to address the issues leading him to self-medicate. If Gordon doesn't want help, and isn't ready to address the issue(s)--there is nothing his family can do, let alone his employer.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11184843/dqwell-jackson-indianapolis-colts-says-former-teammate-josh-gordon-cleveland-browns-needs-help

Interview with D'Qwell

 

[MAC_32]

The term addict seems to be thrown around very loosely around here. It may or may not be true, but if I had to bet I don't think it's the problem. I just don't think he knows better, or even cares to. The people he surrounds himself with are the problem and loyalty to his boys means more than a fat contract and everything that comes with being a star in the NFL.

 

[Bayhawks]

Sorry. Error. Error.

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=6832575&src=desktop

This is an article talking about the new appeals process for substances, the week before it was signed. The only reason I posted it was to highlight the change. The change, from the old CBA, is that now players can get an appeal with an independent arbitrator. Which means the league must prove, as far as I can gather (another poster provided the "burden of proof" topic earlier, so we can scroll back for that). IMO Goodell's Wild West style suspensions have been greatly curtailed since August 2011, since now an impartial party can get involved. We have all seen the new CBA in here multiple times. I think this shows the subtle difference, and I think we have seen it play out (or not play out). Example of no action/suspension: Lynch. And we have seen guys win: Sherman.

"But league sources told Schefter that Goodell would retain exclusive control over the personal conduct policy.

However, players likely will be able to appeal suspensions under the drug policy to an independent arbitrator, league sources told Schefter. "

So let me get this straight. You are using an article from 3 years ago, BEFORE THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WAS FINALIZED, which specifically says that the parts pertaining to the personal conduct policy (at the time of this article) was still being negotiated, as your "evidence" that Goodell's powers to suspend players without a guilty verdict didn't exist? Even though this thread contains a link to the current NFL personal conduct policy which specifically states that players can be suspended without being found guilty of anything?With regards to your examples: Just because Goodell hasn't taken action against Lynch, doesn't mean that he can't. With regards to Sherman, that wasn't under the PCP, it was a drug policy, which is the only place an independent arbitrator is required under the new CBA. If Goodell decides to suspend Gordon (or anyone else) without a guilty verdict (which is his right) under the PCP, any appeal would be heard by Goodell or his designee, NOT an independant arbitrator.

And you want others to "slow their role?" Maybe you should actually read the article (or at least the part you posted, which specifically says "league sources told Schefter that Goodell would retain exclusive control over the personal conduct policy" before you post.

Geez dude you are a piece of work. You make soulfly look like Gandhi.

The point is, and I'll say it for the third time, NOW (as opposed to BEFORE THE CURRENT CBA) players that get suspended for substances CAN NOW APPEAL THROUGH INDEPENDENT ARBITRATION. I didn't reference Ben, others did. I merely pointed out that things have changed since then, as far as what is actually done.

No, you didn't originally mention players suspended for substance abuse. In fact, you specifically mentioned that Goodell can't suspend players who haven't been found legally guilty of a crime. This is very clearly an indication that you were referring to Goodell's power to suspend players under the PCP, not the substance abuse policy.

BEFORE, Goodell could suspend whenever he felt like it, and not provide the player with any rationale or evidence to why. NOW he can still do that (technically). He just hasn't, or least hasn't substantially suspended anyone who was not arrested for off field activity since.

Exactly, and you posted, several times, that he COULD NOT do that any longer, not that he hasn't, but that he couldn't. Nice attempt at a back-track, though.

You can point to Britt, and that's correct. But that was a single game for multiple offenses, including arrests. Ben got 6 games (reduced to 4) for one "offense". The fact remains that he is not handing down these giant suspensions without a charge anymore.

But that wasn't your argument. Your argument was that, under the new CBA, Goodell needed a guilty verdict to discipline players. As has been very clearly proven, you were wrong.

If you can't see the difference now as compared to then, I can't help you. You can point to what the CBA says all day, but what it states and what he has chosen to do (or not do) is night and day.

I'm not the one who made an erroneous argument, I'm just the one pointing out your ignorance. I personally don't think Gordon will be suspended for this DUI arrest; and I never said otherwise.

 

[Warhogs]

I own Gordon in a couple of dynasty leagues and I am actually hoping for a suspension. I feel best case scenario would be for him to work out an arrangement where he would miss at least half a season and would need to check himself into rehab. for that time. It might be the only hope for him to get his career and life on the right track.

 

[Concept Coop]

The term addict seems to be thrown around very loosely around here. It may or may not be true, but if I had to bet I don't think it's the problem. I just don't think he knows better, or even cares to. The people he surrounds himself with are the problem and loyalty to his boys means more than a fat contract and everything that comes with being a star in the NFL.

"Addict" has come to mean one with an addiction to a physically addictive substance, but that is not the accurate definition; or not the full definition, at least. Addiction goes beyond the substance, and to the brain. It is no longer debated in the practice--they've proven it by monitoring brain activity.

In place of brain mapping, addiction is measured by the consequences a person continually takes on to continue their behavior. This kid is throwing his life's dream away to get high. If that isn't addiction, I don't know what is.

To go full blown hippy mode; I think that is a major issue with our society; we are often incapable of seeing the struggle of others beyond how we feel said struggle would affect us. If weed isn't an addiction (or trigger) for us--it means the person is lazy, or dumb, or ignorant, or doesn't care. That's just one example of many, most of which have nothing to do with addiction.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Sorry. Error. Error.

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=6832575&src=desktop

This is an article talking about the new appeals process for substances, the week before it was signed. The only reason I posted it was to highlight the change. The change, from the old CBA, is that now players can get an appeal with an independent arbitrator. Which means the league must prove, as far as I can gather (another poster provided the "burden of proof" topic earlier, so we can scroll back for that). IMO Goodell's Wild West style suspensions have been greatly curtailed since August 2011, since now an impartial party can get involved. We have all seen the new CBA in here multiple times. I think this shows the subtle difference, and I think we have seen it play out (or not play out). Example of no action/suspension: Lynch. And we have seen guys win: Sherman.

"But league sources told Schefter that Goodell would retain exclusive control over the personal conduct policy.

However, players likely will be able to appeal suspensions under the drug policy to an independent arbitrator, league sources told Schefter. "

So let me get this straight. You are using an article from 3 years ago, BEFORE THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WAS FINALIZED, which specifically says that the parts pertaining to the personal conduct policy (at the time of this article) was still being negotiated, as your "evidence" that Goodell's powers to suspend players without a guilty verdict didn't exist? Even though this thread contains a link to the current NFL personal conduct policy which specifically states that players can be suspended without being found guilty of anything?With regards to your examples: Just because Goodell hasn't taken action against Lynch, doesn't mean that he can't. With regards to Sherman, that wasn't under the PCP, it was a drug policy, which is the only place an independent arbitrator is required under the new CBA. If Goodell decides to suspend Gordon (or anyone else) without a guilty verdict (which is his right) under the PCP, any appeal would be heard by Goodell or his designee, NOT an independant arbitrator.

And you want others to "slow their role?" Maybe you should actually read the article (or at least the part you posted, which specifically says "league sources told Schefter that Goodell would retain exclusive control over the personal conduct policy" before you post.

Geez dude you are a piece of work. You make soulfly look like Gandhi.The point is, and I'll say it for the third time, NOW (as opposed to BEFORE THE CURRENT CBA) players that get suspended for substances CAN NOW APPEAL THROUGH INDEPENDENT ARBITRATION. I didn't reference Ben, others did. I merely pointed out that things have changed since then, as far as what is actually done.

No, you didn't originally mention players suspended for substance abuse. In fact, you specifically mentioned that Goodell can't suspend players who haven't been found legally guilty of a crime. This is very clearly an indication that you were referring to Goodell's power to suspend players under the PCP, not the substance abuse policy.

BEFORE, Goodell could suspend whenever he felt like it, and not provide the player with any rationale or evidence to why. NOW he can still do that (technically). He just hasn't, or least hasn't substantially suspended anyone who was not arrested for off field activity since.

Exactly, and you posted, several times, that he COULD NOT do that any longer, not that he hasn't, but that he couldn't. Nice attempt at a back-track, though.

You can point to Britt, and that's correct. But that was a single game for multiple offenses, including arrests. Ben got 6 games (reduced to 4) for one "offense". The fact remains that he is not handing down these giant suspensions without a charge anymore.

But that wasn't your argument. Your argument was that, under the new CBA, Goodell needed a guilty verdict to discipline players. As has been very clearly proven, you were wrong.

If you can't see the difference now as compared to then, I can't help you. You can point to what the CBA says all day, but what it states and what he has chosen to do (or not do) is night and day.

I'm not the one who made an erroneous argument, I'm just the one pointing out your ignorance. I personally don't think Gordon will be suspended for this DUI arrest; and I never said otherwise.

You are right. I didn't convey my thoughts clearly enough early. Hard to bang out responses between patients! Thank you for taking it down a notch.

 

[Bayhawks]

Here's your original request.

Show me an instance (since the new CBA) where a guy was suspended by Goodell for something he wasn't legally guilty of, or not directly related to substances. And I will stand corrected. Thanks.

No mention of a player who was not arrested; because your original argument was merely that Goodell can't suspend a player who hasn't been found guilty of a crime.

Really? Still waiting for his example of a player not arrested and not popped for substances, yet still suspended since August 11, 2011. Surely there is one, right? Since this part of the CBA is unchanged, and since it's the same commissioner following the same rules? Right?

There is. His name is Kenny Britt. Does anyone really think Goodell is going to suspend players who haven't gotten into trouble (ie-been arrested)?

 

[MAC_32]

This kid is throwing his life's dream away to get high. If that isn't addiction, I don't know what is.

I'm not totally convinced he is still getting high. He just surrounds himself with people that do, which has proven to be a problem. It's totally irresponsible and for someone in my upbringing, and I imagine most here, we don't get it. It's how he grew up, and he doesn't know how (or care) to change.

Except for Mr. Pulp Fiction we really don't know what happened that night, but all it'd take for him to turn from legal to illegal driving given that BAC is a slightlier heavier handed bartender. Other than that, what has he legally done wrong? Again, we really don't know, but it's possible he missed a test and got pulled over for speeding with a guy with pot. Put the pattern together and it's irresponsibility - he missed a test...sped...was hanging out with the wrong crowd...let someone else mix up his drink...sped again. And I don't think a year plus suspension will get the point across either. Nothing else has taught him responsibility, so why would this?

Entirely possible facts differ from that narrative, but none of those can be dismissed either. Just knowing what I know about him from around town irresponsibility is the cloud that hangs over him more than anything.

 

[Ted Mullins]

The term addict seems to be thrown around very loosely around here. It may or may not be true, but if I had to bet I don't think it's the problem. I just don't think he knows better, or even cares to. The people he surrounds himself with are the problem and loyalty to his boys means more than a fat contract and everything that comes with being a star in the NFL.

This is what I have been thinking as well...maybe instead of realizing he needs to get it together, he is thinking he is untouchable as he keeps getting more chances. I think a DWI after blowing .09 seems way more just plain dumb than addiction to me, especially when his previous issues don't involve alcohol AFAIK.

 

[Chaka]

Manziel (with his rolling up bills in bathrooms in Vegas) with Gordon on the same team would be pretty much the best show on television.

 

[MAC_32]

Manziel (with his rolling up bills in bathrooms in Vegas) with Gordon on the same team would be pretty much the best show on television.

Haslam and Pettine saying no to Hard Knocks was probably a good idea.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Manziel (with his rolling up bills in bathrooms in Vegas) with Gordon on the same team would be pretty much the best show on television.

They could also trade for Blackmon.

 

[metoo]

Manziel (with his rolling up bills in bathrooms in Vegas) with Gordon on the same team would be pretty much the best show on television.

I don't have a problem with him doing blow but why does his people allow for the pictures to be taken?

 

[Bronx Bomber]

The term addict seems to be thrown around very loosely around here. It may or may not be true, but if I had to bet I don't think it's the problem. I just don't think he knows better, or even cares to. The people he surrounds himself with are the problem and loyalty to his boys means more than a fat contract and everything that comes with being a star in the NFL.

"Addict" has come to mean one with an addiction to a physically addictive substance, but that is not the accurate definition; or not the full definition, at least. Addiction goes beyond the substance, and to the brain. It is no longer debated in the practice--they've proven it by monitoring brain activity.

In place of brain mapping, addiction is measured by the consequences a person continually takes on to continue their behavior. This kid is throwing his life's dream away to get high. If that isn't addiction, I don't know what is.

To go full blown hippy mode; I think that is a major issue with our society; we are often incapable of seeing the struggle of others beyond how we feel said struggle would affect us. If weed isn't an addiction (or trigger) for us--it means the person is lazy, or dumb, or ignorant, or doesn't care. That's just one example of many, most of which have nothing to do with addiction.

What is he "addicted" to though, partying? Can you be addicted to a lifestyle? So far he's had multiple different issues: The codeine/purple drank, weed and now alcohol. Blackmon I can see using the term addiction for since its all alcohol related. Gordon just either seems to think he won't get caught or that what he's doing isn't a big deal, or he just doesn't have the discipline.

 

[MAC_32]

The term addict seems to be thrown around very loosely around here. It may or may not be true, but if I had to bet I don't think it's the problem. I just don't think he knows better, or even cares to. The people he surrounds himself with are the problem and loyalty to his boys means more than a fat contract and everything that comes with being a star in the NFL.

"Addict" has come to mean one with an addiction to a physically addictive substance, but that is not the accurate definition; or not the full definition, at least. Addiction goes beyond the substance, and to the brain. It is no longer debated in the practice--they've proven it by monitoring brain activity.

In place of brain mapping, addiction is measured by the consequences a person continually takes on to continue their behavior. This kid is throwing his life's dream away to get high. If that isn't addiction, I don't know what is.

To go full blown hippy mode; I think that is a major issue with our society; we are often incapable of seeing the struggle of others beyond how we feel said struggle would affect us. If weed isn't an addiction (or trigger) for us--it means the person is lazy, or dumb, or ignorant, or doesn't care. That's just one example of many, most of which have nothing to do with addiction.

What is he "addicted" to though, partying? Can you be addicted to a lifestyle? So far he's had multiple different issues: The codeine/purple drank, weed and now alcohol. Blackmon I can see using the term addiction for since its all alcohol related. Gordon just either seems to think he won't get caught or that what he's doing isn't a big deal, or he just doesn't have the discipline.

Blackmon's post draft DUI was something north of 0.20, close to 0.25 iirc. That's a completely different conversation than a 0.09.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

http://buzzeddriving.adcouncil.org/

 

[Bronx Bomber]

The term addict seems to be thrown around very loosely around here. It may or may not be true, but if I had to bet I don't think it's the problem. I just don't think he knows better, or even cares to. The people he surrounds himself with are the problem and loyalty to his boys means more than a fat contract and everything that comes with being a star in the NFL.

"Addict" has come to mean one with an addiction to a physically addictive substance, but that is not the accurate definition; or not the full definition, at least. Addiction goes beyond the substance, and to the brain. It is no longer debated in the practice--they've proven it by monitoring brain activity.

In place of brain mapping, addiction is measured by the consequences a person continually takes on to continue their behavior. This kid is throwing his life's dream away to get high. If that isn't addiction, I don't know what is.

To go full blown hippy mode; I think that is a major issue with our society; we are often incapable of seeing the struggle of others beyond how we feel said struggle would affect us. If weed isn't an addiction (or trigger) for us--it means the person is lazy, or dumb, or ignorant, or doesn't care. That's just one example of many, most of which have nothing to do with addiction.

What is he "addicted" to though, partying? Can you be addicted to a lifestyle? So far he's had multiple different issues: The codeine/purple drank, weed and now alcohol. Blackmon I can see using the term addiction for since its all alcohol related. Gordon just either seems to think he won't get caught or that what he's doing isn't a big deal, or he just doesn't have the discipline.

Blackmon's post draft DUI was something north of 0.20, close to 0.25 iirc. That's a completely different conversation than a 0.09.

Exactly

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Gordon's DUI is not a factor to his upcoming suspension.

It may be a sign of how he leads his life and things to come, but it will not affect the outcome and amount of games he gets suspended for.

 

[Concept Coop]

Gordon's DUI is not a factor to his upcoming suspension.

It may be a sign of how he leads his life and things to come, but it will not affect the outcome and amount of games he gets suspended for.

What do you base this on?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Gordon's DUI is not a factor to his upcoming suspension.

It may be a sign of how he leads his life and things to come, but it will not affect the outcome and amount of games he gets suspended for.

What do you base this on?

The NFL policies are separate.

Alcohol is not a banned substance and a DUI falls under the Personal Conduct Policy, not the Substance Abuse policy.

 

[amnesiac]

Gordon's DUI is not a factor to his upcoming suspension.

It may be a sign of how he leads his life and things to come, but it will not affect the outcome and amount of games he gets suspended for.

What do you base this on?

The NFL policies are separate.

Alcohol is not a banned substance and a DUI falls under the Personal Conduct Policy, not the Substance Abuse policy.

but it could still affect the appeal.

 

[lod01]

When act like a d0uchebag, don't get angry when you get called one. Pretty simple.

Is this kind of like, "dont dress like a skank, if you dont wanna be raped"?

We are at about 2 days, 19 hours & 550 posts since the last sighting of Soulfly3.

 

[jurb26]

Soufly3 has become the bigger story than Gordon.

 

[amnesiac]

When act like a d0uchebag, don't get angry when you get called one. Pretty simple.

Is this kind of like, "dont dress like a skank, if you dont wanna be raped"?

We are at about 2 days, 19 hours & 550 posts since the last sighting of Soulfly3.

RIP

 

[Bronco Billy]

Soufly3 has become the bigger story than Gordon.

Has anyone actually seen Soulfly3 and Gordon in the same room together?

 

[Warrior]

This kid is throwing his life's dream away to get high. If that isn't addiction, I don't know what is.

I'm not totally convinced he is still getting high. He just surrounds himself with people that do, which has proven to be a problem. It's totally irresponsible and for someone in my upbringing, and I imagine most here, we don't get it. It's how he grew up, and he doesn't know how (or care) to change.

Except for Mr. Pulp Fiction we really don't know what happened that night, but all it'd take for him to turn from legal to illegal driving given that BAC is a slightlier heavier handed bartender. Other than that, what has he legally done wrong? Again, we really don't know, but it's possible he missed a test and got pulled over for speeding with a guy with pot. Put the pattern together and it's irresponsibility - he missed a test...sped...was hanging out with the wrong crowd...let someone else mix up his drink...sped again. And I don't think a year plus suspension will get the point across either. Nothing else has taught him responsibility, so why would this?

Entirely possible facts differ from that narrative, but none of those can be dismissed either. Just knowing what I know about him from around town irresponsibility is the cloud that hangs over him more than anything.

yeah, it's that dude's fault. The one who mixed up his drink. You just don't get it and I don't think you ever will.

 

[cstu]

Gordon's DUI is not a factor to his upcoming suspension.

It may be a sign of how he leads his life and things to come, but it will not affect the outcome and amount of games he gets suspended for.

What do you base this on?

The NFL policies are separate.

Alcohol is not a banned substance and a DUI falls under the Personal Conduct Policy, not the Substance Abuse program.

It falls under both.

If he's convicted of the DUI (maybe the arrest is even enough) then alcohol becomes part of his testing.

General Policy:

The illegal use of drugs and the abuse of prescription drugs, over-the-counter drugs, and alcohol

(hereinafter referred to as “substances of abuse”) is prohibited1 for players2 in the National

Football League (“NFL”). Moreover, the use of alcohol may be prohibited for individual players

in certain situations where clinically indicated in accordance with the terms of this Policy.

Testing:

All players in Stage Two will be subject to

unannounced Testing. At the sole discretion of the Medical

Advisor, a player may or may not be tested; however, if he

is tested, he may not be tested more than 10 times during

any calendar month. Such Testing shall include Testing for

the NFL Drug Panel and alcohol, but in addition Tests for

other substances of abuse will be conducted if the player’s

Treatment Plan requires abstention from and enumerates

testing for such substances.

Discipline for Alcohol-Related Violations of Law or Abuse of Alcohol.

A. Abusive Consumption.

Although alcoholic beverages are legal substances, when consumed abusively they can

produce or contribute to conduct that is unlawful and threatens the health and safety of

players and other persons. Such conduct is detrimental to the integrity of and public

confidence in the NFL and professional football. In addition, the abusive consumption of

alcoholic beverages may indicate a substance abuse problem that requires medical

attention.

B. Alcohol-Related Offenses.

The Commissioner will review and may impose a fine, suspension, or other appropriate

discipline if a player is convicted of or admits to a violation of the law (including within

the context of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision,

or similar arrangement including but not limited to nolo contendere) relating to the use of

alcohol.

Absent aggravating circumstances, discipline for a first offense will generally be

a fine of two-seventeenths (2/17) of the amount in Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player

Contract to a maximum of $50,000. If the Commissioner finds that there were

aggravating circumstances, including but not limited to felonious conduct or serious

injury or death of third parties, and/or if the player has had prior drug or alcohol-related

misconduct, increased discipline up to and including suspension may be imposed.

Discipline for a second or subsequent offense is likely to be a suspension, the duration of

which may escalate for repeat offenses.

 

[MAC_32]

This kid is throwing his life's dream away to get high. If that isn't addiction, I don't know what is.

I'm not totally convinced he is still getting high. He just surrounds himself with people that do, which has proven to be a problem. It's totally irresponsible and for someone in my upbringing, and I imagine most here, we don't get it. It's how he grew up, and he doesn't know how (or care) to change.

Except for Mr. Pulp Fiction we really don't know what happened that night, but all it'd take for him to turn from legal to illegal driving given that BAC is a slightlier heavier handed bartender. Other than that, what has he legally done wrong? Again, we really don't know, but it's possible he missed a test and got pulled over for speeding with a guy with pot. Put the pattern together and it's irresponsibility - he missed a test...sped...was hanging out with the wrong crowd...let someone else mix up his drink...sped again. And I don't think a year plus suspension will get the point across either. Nothing else has taught him responsibility, so why would this?

Entirely possible facts differ from that narrative, but none of those can be dismissed either. Just knowing what I know about him from around town irresponsibility is the cloud that hangs over him more than anything.

yeah, it's that dude's fault. The one who mixed up his drink. You just don't get it and I don't think you ever will.

You really didn't read my post at all if that was your takeaway.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

You buried the lede on that alcohol quote, ctsu...

If the Commissioner finds that there were aggravating circumstances, including but not limited to felonious conduct or serious injury or death of third parties, and/or if the player has had prior drug or alcohol-related misconduct, increased discipline up to and including suspension may be imposed.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Josh Gordon - WR - Browns
ESPN's Ed Werder reports people close to Josh Gordon are urging him to seek professional help to deal with his substance-abuse issues.
Werder added these issues have been part of Gordon's life since high school. As former Browns team captain LB D'Qwell Jackson perfectly said, "It's not about football anymore." The Browns believe Gordon's career is "hanging in the balance."


Source: Ed Werder on Twitter
Jul 7 - 12:46 PM

 

[ericttspikes]

If a guy like Aldon Smith still has an NFL career, it seems like an over reaction to say Josh Gordon is done in the NFL.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

If a guy like Aldon Smith still has an NFL career, it seems like an over reaction to say Josh Gordon is done in the NFL.

so weird that the NFL is tougher on substance abuse than things like guns, spousal abuse, killing someone etc.

 

[cstu]

If a guy like Aldon Smith still has an NFL career, it seems like an over reaction to say Josh Gordon is done in the NFL.

Smith has been very lucky so far as it pertains to the NFL substance abuse policy. His first DUI was reduced to reckless driving and only recently pleaded no contest to a DUI.

From now on he's going to be tested for alcohol and it will be very difficult for him to stay in the league.

 

[Touchdown There]

Soufly3 has become the bigger story than Gordon.

Has anyone actually seen Soulfly3 and Gordon in the same room together?

I'm concerned about Soulfly3

Mary Kay Cabot just reported that multiple sources saw Soulfly3 wasted at a local pub where he was hanging with known drug dealers. Later in the evening, he was spotted sticking his ### out of the passenger side window while the SUV he was in passed by the Cleveland Plain Dealer....several witnesses said they heard him saying Mary Cabot is a "dumb bleep" as the SUV went by. Mary, stated that she wasn't concerned about the SUV incident as "Soulfy3 regularly makes an ### of himself", so this wasn't out of character.

Ha! Lets not forget this thread by Soulfly3 that got locked. I'm thinking he does not really want to apologize. It was like he thought all his fantasy football cred relied on Josh Gordon.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Maybe if we question his manhood Soulfly will come out of hiding and take some lumps. After all he still has a chance of being correct...Maybe Gordon still gets less than 16 games. Soulfly, you know what you are if you don't get in here and face the music. It starts with a P and ends with a Y. That should do it, he should be here any minute...No man lets another man call him that without defending himself.

 

[cstu]

Soufly3 has become the bigger story than Gordon.

Has anyone actually seen Soulfly3 and Gordon in the same room together?

I'm concerned about Soulfly3

Mary Kay Cabot just reported that multiple sources saw Soulfly3 wasted at a local pub where he was hanging with known drug dealers. Later in the evening, he was spotted sticking his ### out of the passenger side window while the SUV he was in passed by the Cleveland Plain Dealer....several witnesses said they heard him saying Mary Cabot is a "dumb bleep" as the SUV went by. Mary, stated that she wasn't concerned about the SUV incident as "Soulfy3 regularly makes an ### of himself", so this wasn't out of character.

Ha! Lets not forget this thread by Soulfly3 that got locked. I'm thinking he does not really want to apologize. It was like he thought all his fantasy football cred relied on Josh Gordon.

Let's this be a lesson: If you're wrong, take your lumps and move on.

 

[msommer]

Maybe if we question his manhood Soulfly will come out of hiding and take some lumps. After all he still has a chance of being correct...Maybe Gordon still gets less than 16 games. Soulfly, you know what you are if you don't get in here and face the music. It starts with a P and ends with a Y. That should do it, he should be here any minute...No man lets another man call him that without defending himself.

What if Soulfly's a chick? Granted a very aggressive one, but still...

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Cris Carter was once a lot like Josh Gordon: One of the most talented receivers in the NFL, but on the verge of throwing his career away because of substance abuse. Carter says what finally made him realize that he has to get clean was the Eagles cutting him, and he hopes Gordon goes through the same thing.

“I feel for the kid,” Carter said on Mike & Mike. “My situation was very, very similar. If I’m the Cleveland Browns — and it’s gut-wrenching for me to say this — I really think that the only thing that’s going to help the kid is if they release him.”

Carter has said many times that when his coach in Philadelphia, Buddy Ryan, booted him off the team, that was what made Carter realize that he had to get help.

“When they took that away, that was my reality, and that was the catalyst to get me on the road to recovery,” Carter said.

Carter suspects that the people around Gordon are coddling him, rather than telling him that his only option is to enter treatment for substance abuse.

“We’re dealing with addiction,” Carter said. “We’re dealing with a disease. If Josh had cancer we’d put him in a treatment center. And right now that’s what we need to do for him. But no one wants to do the hard thing. Everyone wants to keep coddling him, the same way they did in high school, the same thing they did at Baylor, where he had problems. Eventually it’s going to blow up. Now it’s blowing up in the National Football League, and his career is in jeopardy.”

 

[Touchdown There]

Maybe if we question his manhood Soulfly will come out of hiding and take some lumps. After all he still has a chance of being correct...Maybe Gordon still gets less than 16 games. Soulfly, you know what you are if you don't get in here and face the music. It starts with a P and ends with a Y. That should do it, he should be here any minute...No man lets another man call him that without defending himself.

Maybe if you respond to every marijuana thread insisting that it is an addiction, that will make it so.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Maybe if we question his manhood Soulfly will come out of hiding and take some lumps. After all he still has a chance of being correct...Maybe Gordon still gets less than 16 games. Soulfly, you know what you are if you don't get in here and face the music. It starts with a P and ends with a Y. That should do it, he should be here any minute...No man lets another man call him that without defending himself.

What if Soulfly's a chick? Granted a very aggressive one, but still...

Oops , didn't think of that. Soulfly if you are a chick ..then I apologize ma'am

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Soufly3 has become the bigger story than Gordon.

Has anyone actually seen Soulfly3 and Gordon in the same room together?

I'm concerned about Soulfly3

Mary Kay Cabot just reported that multiple sources saw Soulfly3 wasted at a local pub where he was hanging with known drug dealers. Later in the evening, he was spotted sticking his ### out of the passenger side window while the SUV he was in passed by the Cleveland Plain Dealer....several witnesses said they heard him saying Mary Cabot is a "dumb bleep" as the SUV went by. Mary, stated that she wasn't concerned about the SUV incident as "Soulfy3 regularly makes an ### of himself", so this wasn't out of character.

Ha! Lets not forget this thread by Soulfly3 that got locked. I'm thinking he does not really want to apologize. It was like he thought all his fantasy football cred relied on Josh Gordon.

Let's this be a lesson: If you're wrong, take your lumps and move on.

Lord knows, I've been wrong plenty of times and taken my lumps, eaten crow, etc. on stuff I felt strong about. There's no shame.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Maybe if we question his manhood Soulfly will come out of hiding and take some lumps. After all he still has a chance of being correct...Maybe Gordon still gets less than 16 games. Soulfly, you know what you are if you don't get in here and face the music. It starts with a P and ends with a Y. That should do it, he should be here any minute...No man lets another man call him that without defending himself.

Pricey? Prickly? Princely?

 

[RUSF18]

Soufly3 has become the bigger story than Gordon.

Has anyone actually seen Soulfly3 and Gordon Brewtown in the same room together?

.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

Maybe if we question his manhood Soulfly will come out of hiding and take some lumps. After all he still has a chance of being correct...Maybe Gordon still gets less than 16 games. Soulfly, you know what you are if you don't get in here and face the music. It starts with a P and ends with a Y. That should do it, he should be here any minute...No man lets another man call him that without defending himself.

Pricey? Prickly? Princely?

I thought it was Pretty

It could be portly...oh man if its portly....whew...I hope Butkus has his affairs in order.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Maybe if we question his manhood Soulfly will come out of hiding and take some lumps. After all he still has a chance of being correct...Maybe Gordon still gets less than 16 games. Soulfly, you know what you are if you don't get in here and face the music. It starts with a P and ends with a Y. That should do it, he should be here any minute...No man lets another man call him that without defending himself.

Maybe if you respond to every marijuana thread insisting that it is an addiction, that will make it so.

Is that you Soulfly?

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

The bailed out by HIS DRUG DEALER post did it for me.

Actually, he was driving PJ Hairston's car home after being out with he and some other guys. He called Hairston from jail. Hairston called Thomas to bail him out. Thomas is a local friend to big time athletes due to the parties he throws, and is close with Hairston.Do not ask me how I know this information, because I will not tell you specifics. Just know I live near Raleigh and have friends that know what happened. I also know that drugs were not involved.

I don't know whether this has been asked/mentioned in the thread, but what was he doing in Raleigh in the first place? Kind of a random spot to go on a holiday weekend for a guy from Houston who plays for a team in Cleveland.

Hairston is from Greensboro and went to UNC.

Greg Little went to UNC along with Hairston. There's your connection.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

CC: Browns should cut Gordon.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/hall_of_famer_cris_carter_on_j.html