WR Josh Gordon, KC (10 Viewers)

[menobrown]

If what I'm hearing is true, even my own expectations will be surpassed.

Let's hear this announcement!!!!

You talking about this?

Chris Lee @cleeverizon · 2h
According to a source that's close to the situation, Browns WR Josh Gordon will receive a deduced suspension or no suspension at all.

ETA-not sure if this is where you are getting this info. I know nothing at all about this person, does anyone? In the conversation on this tweet he goes on to mention Gordon is looking at a 0,6 or 8 game suspension and when asked how reliable his source is he answered 99.5-100%.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

Is that from getting a speeding ticket?

From what Ive heard, it has ZERO to do with that incident.

I hate to ask...but what is your source here?

 

[BroadwayG]

If what I'm hearing is true, even my own expectations will be surpassed.

Let's hear this announcement!!!!

You talking about this?

Chris Lee @cleeverizon · 2h
According to a source that's close to the situation, Browns WR Josh Gordon will receive a deduced suspension or no suspension at all.

He's got a few hundred followers. I'd buy anything this guy puts out.

 

[identikit]

If what I'm hearing is true, even my own expectations will be surpassed.

Let's hear this announcement!!!!

You talking about this?

Chris Lee @cleeverizon · 2h
According to a source that's close to the situation, Browns WR Josh Gordon will receive a deduced suspension or no suspension at all.

He's got a few hundred followers. I'd buy anything this guy puts out.

I'm deducing the bolded:

Chris Lee
@cleeverizon


Co-Host of Triple Threat podcast. National sports analyst. NCAA and High School sports official. Comedian and writer.

 

[menobrown]

If what I'm hearing is true, even my own expectations will be surpassed.

Let's hear this announcement!!!!

You talking about this?

Chris Lee @cleeverizon · 2h
According to a source that's close to the situation, Browns WR Josh Gordon will receive a deduced suspension or no suspension at all.

He's got a few hundred followers. I'd buy anything this guy puts out.

I'm deducing the bolded:

Chris Lee
@cleeverizon


Co-Host of Triple Threat podcast. National sports analyst. NCAA and High School sports official. Comedian and writer.

I caught that as well when I read his profile but in this case I don't think he's trying to be funny.

The few hundred followers is bad sign I could look past if he was actually followed by at least a few local writers or players but I don't see that at all.

At this point I can't trust a thing this guy says, I'd just like to know if this is the source of Soulfly3's optimism.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's possible the guy is accurate but it could also be a reach in order to add followers - if it has legs other legit sources will start picking it up.

 

[ghostguy123]

Well. You said you work in "behavioral health" and obviously have considerable familiarity with recreational marijuana use, all of which seems to have promoted delusions of expertise on matters like this.

Obviously.

Through all these posts, pretty sure you still have no idea what my point I regarding marijuana, and what I think will happen with it in society and the NFL soon enough.

But hey, chronic use is bad for some people.

 

[DaveGrumbles]

Chris Lee ‏@cleeverizon 2h

@FineAsWeAre suspension will be 0,6 or 8

Chris Lee ‏@cleeverizon 2h@FineAsWeAre 99.5% if not 100%

Well, whoever this Chris Lee guy is he's definitely standing by his info...

 

[massraider]

If he has a bong anywhere on his Instagram, i am gonna go ahead and guess his source.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Chris Lee ‏@cleeverizon 2h

@FineAsWeAre suspension will be 0,6 or 8

Chris Lee ‏@cleeverizon 2h@FineAsWeAre 99.5% if not 100%

Well, whoever this Chris Lee guy is he's definitely standing by his info...

Chris Lee = Soulfly3

 

[Andrew74]

Well, I can't get any more heat than I am already - so I'll just put it like this. I am sticking with 6-8 weeks as MY prediction.

But I have heard that the suspension coming may not fall under the Drug Policy, whatsoever - and instead may be 2-4 games under the Conduct Policy.

So you are saying you were wrong this whole time?

 

[amnesiac]

Well, I can't get any more heat than I am already - so I'll just put it like this. I am sticking with 6-8 weeks as MY prediction.

But I have heard that the suspension coming may not fall under the Drug Policy, whatsoever - and instead may be 2-4 games under the Conduct Policy.

thought it was 4-6?

 

[Pumpnick]

I have received 2 emails asking about my willingness to trade Gordon in 2 different leagues in the past hour. I was hoping there was some positive news being leaked somewhere

 

[cobalt_27]

Well. You said you work in "behavioral health" and obviously have considerable familiarity with recreational marijuana use, all of which seems to have promoted delusions of expertise on matters like this.

Obviously.

Through all these posts, pretty sure you still have no idea what my point I regarding marijuana, and what I think will happen with it in society and the NFL soon enough.

Might I suggest that's a you problem, not a me problem. You've been all over the map on this. Perhaps you could to take a deep breath (of clean air), start over, and summarize your editorial.

 

[ghostguy123]

Well. You said you work in "behavioral health" and obviously have considerable familiarity with recreational marijuana use, all of which seems to have promoted delusions of expertise on matters like this.

Obviously.

Through all these posts, pretty sure you still have no idea what my point I regarding marijuana, and what I think will happen with it in society and the NFL soon enough.

Might I suggest that's a you problem, not a me problem. You've been all over the map on this. Perhaps you could to take a deep breath (of clean air), start over, and summarize your editorial.

I don't smoke anything, thanks. Not yet anyway.

No need to start over, if you don't get it yet, you won't. Not sure what you mean by "all over the map". What was contradictory?

Was just talking to a doctor the other day who prescribes marinol for his patients both outpatient and inpatient (psych units, not even for pain or any of the other reasons it would be prescribed). Marinol is the pill form of marijuana in case you or others didn't know.

 

[cobalt_27]

Well. You said you work in "behavioral health" and obviously have considerable familiarity with recreational marijuana use, all of which seems to have promoted delusions of expertise on matters like this.

Obviously.

Through all these posts, pretty sure you still have no idea what my point I regarding marijuana, and what I think will happen with it in society and the NFL soon enough.

Might I suggest that's a you problem, not a me problem. You've been all over the map on this. Perhaps you could to take a deep breath (of clean air), start over, and summarize your editorial.

I don't smoke anything, thanks. Not yet anyway.

No need to start over, if you don't get it yet, you won't. Not sure what you mean by "all over the map". What was contradictory?

Was just talking to a doctor the other day who prescribes marinol for his patients both outpatient and inpatient (psych units, not even for pain or any of the other reasons it would be prescribed). Marinol is the pill form of marijuana in case you or others didn't know.

There are many doctors who likely would question this particular doctor's clinical judgment. Not everyone can graduate in the top half of their med school class.

Your reticence to simply summarizing your position speaks volumes.

 

[zilladog]

Is anyone getting suspicious yet that there is still no official suspension? No news has to be good news at this point, no?

 

[ghostguy123]

There are many doctors who likely would question this particular doctor's clinical judgment. Not everyone can graduate in the top half of their med school class.Your reticence to simply summarizing your position speaks volumes.

I already summorized it several times. If you have a specific question, feel free to ask. For me to cover everything regarding my position might take me 100000 words. Not real desire to do that, so if you have a specific question about my position, I am all ears.

And it wasn't just one doctor. That was the unit in general. Not to mention more and more are on board with using marinol for their patients. Lot of patients out there who are very succeptible to becoming addicted to Benzos that need alternatives. Just one example.

 

[ghostguy123]

Is anyone getting suspicious yet that there is still no official suspension? No news has to be good news at this point, no?

Who knows, but I would rather wait a long time for good news than get bad news right away.

The "no news is good news" is PROBABLY just wishful thinking, but it's what I am thinking also.

 

[ghostguy123]

Some beat writers mentioned they thought Gordon looked upset lately, not as energietic or talking to teammates as much. Does it mean anything?? Who knows.

CObalt, I will throw you a bone.

Marijuiana shoudl be legal for ages 21 and up, and should NOT be on the banned substance list for the NFL. Work for ya? Any more questions?

 

[cobalt_27]

Some beat writers mentioned they thought Gordon looked upset lately, not as energietic or talking to teammates as much. Does it mean anything?? Who knows.

CObalt, I will throw you a bone.

Marijuiana shoudl be legal for ages 21 and up, and should NOT be on the banned substance list for the NFL. Work for ya? Any more questions?

I agree on both fronts. But, that's a social/legal perspective. To minimize the neurocognitive impact of MJ in support of that position is disingenuous and not founded on a good understanding of the literature. I recognize the deleterious impact of marijuana and still support it's legalization, as I do alcohol. But, I wouldn't say to those concerned about alcohol abuse, "well, you can die from drinking too much water."

 

[ghostguy123]

Some beat writers mentioned they thought Gordon looked upset lately, not as energietic or talking to teammates as much. Does it mean anything?? Who knows.

CObalt, I will throw you a bone.

Marijuiana shoudl be legal for ages 21 and up, and should NOT be on the banned substance list for the NFL. Work for ya? Any more questions?

I agree on both fronts. But, that's a social/legal perspective. To minimize the neurocognitive impact of MJ in support of that position is disingenuous and not founded on a good understanding of the literature. I recognize the deleterious impact of marijuana and still support it's legalization, as I do alcohol. But, I wouldn't say to those concerned about alcohol abuse, "well, you can die from drinking too much water."

I didnt OPEN my argument with that.

People are too focused on the "dangers", which are less so than many upon many legal things, and not focused enough on the POSITIVES.

 

[cstu]

Banner, Lombardi wanted to trade Josh Gordon

Posted by Mike Florio on June 8, 2014, 2:17 PM EDT

Joe Banner AP

Former Browns CEO Joe Banner and former Browns G.M. Mike Lombardi received plenty of criticism during their short time with the team. They wanted to make another move that would have generated more criticism in the short term, but for which they’d both be drawing praise now.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer writes in an article sharing the results of an extended interview with Banner that Banner and Lombardi wanted to trade receiver Josh Gordon.

As Cabot explains it, some in the organization (including former head coach Rob Chudzinski) believed the Browns had a sufficient support system to keep Gordon from further violations of the substance-abuse policy. Currently, Gordon hopes to fend off a one-year suspension via the appeal process.

As a practical matter, Gordon likely wasn’t traded in part because of the short-term reaction to the decision to trade 2012 first-round running back Trent Richardson, a decision vindicated by Richardson’s performance in Indy, and by the fact that the extra first-round draft pick became, following a four-spot trade up, quarterback Johnny Manziel. The passage of time (and urine) would have eventually vindicated the trade of Gordon, even though the move would not have been applauded by fans if it had been made.

Per Cabot, the best offer for Gordon was a second-round pick and players. Any, some, or all of that compensation would have been more productive that what the Browns may get from Gordon in 2014 and beyond — quite possibly, nothing.

Nothing may be what Banner does in the NFL. Abruptly and unceremoniously fired with multiple years left on his contract, he’ll be paid to do nothing, at least for now. In future years, if a franchise rich in draft picks and cap space thrive under a G.M. and coach brought to the Browns by Banner, maybe someone with another team will look past the controversies and realize that Banner and Lombardi had a lot to do with the winner that the Browns may become.

As to Gordon, Banner and Lombardi could have done even more, if they hadn’t been overruled.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Banner, Lombardi wanted to trade Josh Gordon

Posted by Mike Florio on June 8, 2014, 2:17 PM EDT

Joe Banner AP

Former Browns CEO Joe Banner and former Browns G.M. Mike Lombardi received plenty of criticism during their short time with the team. They wanted to make another move that would have generated more criticism in the short term, but for which theyd both be drawing praise now.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer writes in an article sharing the results of an extended interview with Banner that Banner and Lombardi wanted to trade receiver Josh Gordon.

As Cabot explains it, some in the organization (including former head coach Rob Chudzinski) believed the Browns had a sufficient support system to keep Gordon from further violations of the substance-abuse policy. Currently, Gordon hopes to fend off a one-year suspension via the appeal process.

As a practical matter, Gordon likely wasnt traded in part because of the short-term reaction to the decision to trade 2012 first-round running back Trent Richardson, a decision vindicated by Richardsons performance in Indy, and by the fact that the extra first-round draft pick became, following a four-spot trade up, quarterback Johnny Manziel. The passage of time (and urine) would have eventually vindicated the trade of Gordon, even though the move would not have been applauded by fans if it had been made.

Per Cabot, the best offer for Gordon was a second-round pick and players. Any, some, or all of that compensation would have been more productive that what the Browns may get from Gordon in 2014 and beyond quite possibly, nothing.

Nothing may be what Banner does in the NFL. Abruptly and unceremoniously fired with multiple years left on his contract, hell be paid to do nothing, at least for now. In future years, if a franchise rich in draft picks and cap space thrive under a G.M. and coach brought to the Browns by Banner, maybe someone with another team will look past the controversies and realize that Banner and Lombardi had a lot to do with the winner that the Browns may become.

As to Gordon, Banner and Lombardi could have done even more, if they hadnt been overruled.

Wow her piece comes off as anti-Gordon.

 

[Soulfly3]

Per Cabot, the best offer for Gordon was a second-round pick and players. Any, some, or all of that compensation would have been more productive that what the Browns may get from Gordon in 2014 and beyond quite possibly, nothing.

women...

 

[massraider]

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/06/former_cleveland_browns_ceo_jo.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Here's the article. Doesn't seem very anti-Gordon to me.

 

[massraider]

Per Cabot, the best offer for Gordon was a second-round pick and players. Any, some, or all of that compensation would have been more productive that what the Browns may get from Gordon in 2014 and beyond quite possibly, nothing.

women...

That comment came from Florio, who is a guy. (If a bit delicate)

 

[NDyse10]

Don't see how a guy who has already been suspended can fail a drug test and then not be suspended. I'd say its pretty much a lock he is suspended. The question is for how long.

 

[ghostguy123]

Don't see how a guy who has already been suspended can fail a drug test and then not be suspended. I'd say its pretty much a lock he is suspended. The question is for how long.

Well, do we even know he failed an actual drug test??

I have no idea what's going on.

 

[NDyse10]

Don't see how a guy who has already been suspended can fail a drug test and then not be suspended. I'd say its pretty much a lock he is suspended. The question is for how long.

Well, do we even know he failed an actual drug test??

I have no idea what's going on.

Wasn't that the original report when all of this broke?

 

[Dragon1952]

I know this has been implied previously, but to reiterate, if this case was so cut and dried why wouldn't we have heard the verdict by now? I mean, this is starting to border on the ridiculous. This previous postulation that this latest infraction may not fall under the drug policy may actually have some merit.

 

[ghostguy123]

Wasn't that the original report when all of this broke?

Yes, but since then...............................................um.................................

 

[ConnSKINS26]

This leaked, obviously. When we hear about suspensions, it's almost always after appeals have already failed. The NFL doesn't officially announce suspensions under any circumstances until appeals are done. But suspensions involving big name players sometimes leak before the appeals process is finished.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Josh Gordon - WR - Browns

Coach Mike Pettine admitted there's a "level of frustration" with the NFL for the slow pace on announcing Josh Gordon's suspension.

Word of Gordon's third known positive drug test as a pro has been public knowledge for more than a month now. The widespread assumption is that he's getting the 16-game ban that comes with a Stage 3 violation, but there's been no official word. Meanwhile, Gordon continues to practice with the team -- although Pettine noted that the petulant 23-year-old doesn't hustle as much as he should.

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

Jun 11 - 8:44 AM

 

[Phenix]

Rotoworld:

Josh Gordon - WR - Browns

Coach Mike Pettine admitted there's a "level of frustration" with the NFL for the slow pace on announcing Josh Gordon's suspension.

Word of Gordon's third known positive drug test as a pro has been public knowledge for more than a month now. The widespread assumption is that he's getting the 16-game ban that comes with a Stage 3 violation, but there's been no official word. Meanwhile, Gordon continues to practice with the team -- although Pettine noted that the petulant 23-year-old doesn't hustle as much as he should.

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer

Jun 11 - 8:44 AM

I would expect nothing less from a pot head who thinks herb is more important than football... and I love my trees.

He clearly has no grasp of reality at how much the NFL is a privilege to play for. This is the type of guy regardless of production that you don't want around your team.

Here is the story from PFT.com

Mike Pettine noticed Josh Gordon doesn’t go all-outPosted by Darin Gantt on June 11, 2014, 8:59 AM EDT

APWide receiver Josh Gordon is still practicing with the Browns while he awaits word on what could be a year-long suspension.

So it might be natural that he’s not practicing with the most urgency.

Browns coach Mike Pettine told 92.3 The Fan that Gordon didn’t always exert himself fully in practice.

“It is something we’ve talked about and from what I understand he’s made some improvement, but it is a work in progress,” Pettine said, via Mary Kay Cabot of theCleveland Plain Dealer. “I’m a big believer in quality of reps versus quantity of reps. If I’m a player and I know that I’m going to be out there for 40 full-speed team snaps I may have a tendency to pace myself.

“There still needs to be improvement there but we’re aware of it.”

Of course, there’s a chicken-egg quality there too. If Gordon cared enough about his craft to push himself fully, he might not continue to put himself in positions that lead to suspensions.
Pettine also admitted it was a bit frustrating getting ready for the season with the Gordon suspension hanging over their heads.
“There’s certainly a level of frustration because we’ve known the news for so long,” Pettine said. “It’s just a holding pattern and I understand that the league has a process that they have to go through and there’s other things that they’re dealing with and we respect that. But at the same time it is difficult because it really will affect our preparation for the season.”

Not having one of your best players tends to do that.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

One thing we do know, the NFL doesn't announce when a player HASN'T been suspended but in this case it seems inevitable that Gordon will be missing time. How long appears to be the question.

Last year the NFL had already handed down its suspension to him at this point in time. Its been over a full year since they had announced Gordon would miss 4 games but later they cut that down to only 2 games so the case of Josh Gordon seems to already had some lee-way on the time he missed last year when it was assumed the 4 game suspension was written in stone.

Maybe this time they want to be sure before they hand down any punishment but I have to think if this was a 'fete accomplette' of a full-year they would have already have announced it and they would be done with it.

In this video report from the first day of Browns mandatory mini-camp, Browns beat writer Mary Kay Cabot said that Josh Gordon had been participating in every WR drill in the offseason up until yesterday when the club went to its first 11 on 11 drills.

It seems the coaches have resigned themselves that Gordon is going to miss time and they are giving valuable reps to other WRs who they know will be their at the start of the year.

LINK to video:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/06/browns_mike_pettine_on_josh_go.html

Recap of Day 1 of Cleveland Browns minicamp with Mary Kay Cabot and Glenn Moore

Cleveland Browns beat writer Mary Kay Cabot and cleveland.com’s Glenn Moore take a look back at the the first day of the Mandatory minicamp in Berea, including the competition between Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Is anyone getting suspicious yet that there is still no official suspension? No news has to be good news at this point, no?

It may be. It may not be. We really don't know.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

This leaked, obviously. When we hear about suspensions, it's almost always after appeals have already failed. The NFL doesn't officially announce suspensions under any circumstances until appeals are done. But suspensions involving big name players sometimes leak before the appeals process is finished.

People keep saying this, but this is just an out right lie. Most often, the headline is something like "player x has been suspended for y. He is expected to appeal". But also most often the appeal fails.

 

[Soulfly3]

It seems the coaches have resigned themselves that Gordon is going to miss time and they are giving valuable reps to other WRs who they know will be their at the start of the year.

Hamstring.

source: media covering practice and cleveland radio

 

[cstu]

Mike Pettine criticizes Josh Gordon's practice effort

The looming potential suspension for Josh Gordon isn't the only concern the Cleveland Browns have for their superstar receiver.

On Tuesday, coach Mike Pettine acknowledged to WKRK-FM that Gordon doesn't always hustle as much as he should in practice.

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"It is something we've talked about and from what I understand he's made some improvement, but it is a work in progress," Pettine said, per The Plain Dealer. "I'm a big believer in quality of reps versus quantity of reps. If I'm a player and I know that I'm going to be out there for 40 full-speed team snaps I may have a tendency to pace myself.

"There still needs to be improvement there but we're aware of it."

Gordon wouldn't be the first receiver in NFL history to curb his practice enthusiasm. In Nicholas Dawidoff's book "Collision Low Crossers" on the 2011 New York Jets -- where Pettine was the defensive coordinator -- receiver Santonio Holmes was chided by coaches for not going full-speed in practice.

While Gordon's practice habits are under his future control, the team continues to wait for the hammer to drop on a suspension.

"There's certainly a level of frustration because we've known the news for so long," Pettine told the radio station. "It's just a holding pattern and I understand that the league has a process that they have to go through and there's other things that they're dealing with and we respect that. But at the same time it is difficult because it really will affect our preparation for the season. ... We're prepared for all of the eventualities, but the waiting is difficult."

UPDATE:

Mike Pettine said talk of Josh Gordon's hustle to huddle overblown. "It wasn't just him." Says, wants everyone to "finish" to huddle.

Can't blame him...he's got the munchies.

 

[cstu]

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 27m

#browns Pettine said josh Gordon is sidelined with a minor ding and not because the browns are preparing for life without him.

 

[BroadwayG]

I'm going to wait to see what the comedian says on twitter before I believe it is a minor ding.

 

[Bayhawks]

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 27m

#browns Pettine said josh Gordon is sidelined with a minor ding and not because the browns are preparing for life without him.

Well, now I'm shuked. This re-iterates what Soulfly said, but several times in this thread, he has siad that Mary Kay Cabot has no idea what she is talking about, believing her is the "worst move you could make," and that she has "made a niche out of being wrong."

So, what to believe? If Soulfly was right before about Cabot, than his information can't be right now, can it? Because Cabot is reporting the same thing? And if he's right now, then he was wrong before, and if he was wrong before, then how do we know he wasn't wrong about everything: the 4-6 game theory, 2nd hand smoke, someone pooping in his lawn???

I don't know what to believe anymore. Is this the matrix? Is Soulfly agent Smith? Is Josh Gordon Neo? WTH is going on???????

 

[ghostguy123]

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 27m

#browns Pettine said josh Gordon is sidelined with a minor ding and not because the browns are preparing for life without him.

Well, now I'm shuked. This re-iterates what Soulfly said, but several times in this thread, he has siad that Mary Kay Cabot has no idea what she is talking about, believing her is the "worst move you could make," and that she has "made a niche out of being wrong."

So, what to believe? If Soulfly was right before about Cabot, than his information can't be right now, can it? Because Cabot is reporting the same thing? And if he's right now, then he was wrong before, and if he was wrong before, then how do we know he wasn't wrong about everything: the 4-6 game theory, 2nd hand smoke, someone pooping in his lawn???

I don't know what to believe anymore. Is this the matrix? Is Soulfly agent Smith? Is Josh Gordon Neo? WTH is going on???????

This post has more useful information in it than everything I know about this situation.

 

[Heatman]

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 27m

#browns Pettine said josh Gordon is sidelined with a minor ding and not because the browns are preparing for life without him.

Well, now I'm shuked. This re-iterates what Soulfly said, but several times in this thread, he has siad that Mary Kay Cabot has no idea what she is talking about, believing her is the "worst move you could make," and that she has "made a niche out of being wrong."

So, what to believe? If Soulfly was right before about Cabot, than his information can't be right now, can it? Because Cabot is reporting the same thing? And if he's right now, then he was wrong before, and if he was wrong before, then how do we know he wasn't wrong about everything: the 4-6 game theory, 2nd hand smoke, someone pooping in his lawn???

I don't know what to believe anymore. Is this the matrix? Is Soulfly agent Smith? Is Josh Gordon Neo? WTH is going on???????

You should have taken the red pill.

 

[Soulfly3]

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 27m

#browns Pettine said josh Gordon is sidelined with a minor ding and not because the browns are preparing for life without him.

Well, now I'm shuked. This re-iterates what Soulfly said, but several times in this thread, he has siad that Mary Kay Cabot has no idea what she is talking about, believing her is the "worst move you could make," and that she has "made a niche out of being wrong."

So, what to believe? If Soulfly was right before about Cabot, than his information can't be right now, can it? Because Cabot is reporting the same thing? And if he's right now, then he was wrong before, and if he was wrong before, then how do we know he wasn't wrong about everything: the 4-6 game theory, 2nd hand smoke, someone pooping in his lawn???

I don't know what to believe anymore. Is this the matrix? Is Soulfly agent Smith? Is Josh Gordon Neo? WTH is going on???????

You hear that Mr. Bayhawk?... That is the sound of inevitability... It is the sound of your mind blowing... Goodbye, Bayhawk...

 

[Soulfly3]

@AKinkhabwala 2h
Mike Pettine said talk of Josh Gordon's hustle to huddle overblown. "It wasn't just him." Says, wants everyone to "finish" to huddle.

 

[ghostguy123]

Jim Brown never hustled other than during a play.

I hate this thread. I want real news. REAL news. Cmon Soulfly, call someone, get em on the TV

 

[Soulfly3]

Jim Brown never hustled other than during a play.

I hate this thread. I want real news. REAL news. Cmon Soulfly, call someone, get em on the TV

Hustle should be reserved for the play only. Gordon has zero issue w that.

And I gave you news, my friend.. Trust in me, dont you judge or question.

You are broken now, but faith can heal you ... Just believe everything, i tell you to.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I don't know what to believe anymore. Is this the matrix? Is Soulfly agent Smith? Is Josh Gordon Neo? WTH is going on???????

You can't trust anything anymore. Agent Smith grew funny ears and talks to Hobbits. Gordon became Commissioner and calls Batman on the Batphone. Mary Kay drives a pink Caddy and sells cosmetics.

But Soulfly, he's my guy, sometimes confused but would never lie. He sorta grows on ya doesn't he... kinda like a virus.

I still want to know what became of Soulfly1 and 2 though. Watch out for the Soulflyswatter there Number 3!