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WR Josh Gordon, KC (16 Viewers)
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Exactly this. This stuff is all supposed to be confidential, and we are months out from any meaningful games. We don't even know what the typical timeframe for a decision is or what's going on in the appeals process. We'll know when the NFL tells us. Anyone trying to read the tea leaves here is just throwing darts blindfolded.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The NFL handed down two full-season suspensions over three weeks ago.
They have done nothing and announced nothing per Josh Gordon.
You say no one can read ANYTHING into that.
We can and don't need permission.
What is the logical explanation for the delay? You haven't provided one. The take that a delay is bad news is absurd. How much worse could it get?
Add if suspicion begins to start that if the league does reduce Josh's suspension that its due to preferential treatment and I quote Faulkner and you wrap say I'm being over the top but then come back and state saying the suspicion of preferential treatment is over the top then you never are wrong beause you never take a side or a stance other than you saying everyone is over-the-top.
If the league had already made the decision to suspend Gordon then their isn't any logic to state a delay of over three weeks between suspending two other players for the entire season means absolutely nothing.
How do you know there is a "delay?"
How do we know that the suspensions that were announced didn't result from failed drug tests from a month earlier, or two months earlier, or three months earlier, than Gordon's?
The point is that we don't know how long the process takes, because the NFL doesn't announce when failed tests took place, or if they took place, or what punishment will result, until AFTER the process is over. We only know/believe that Gordon failed a test because the news was leaked.
So the fact that other suspensions were announced since the leak about Gordon's failed test means NOTHING, since we don't know when the other failed tests occurred, nor when Gordon's failed test occurred.
Vector
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I can.
You mean the NFL didn't suspend those players for failing drug tests? So you mean that since they have NOTHING in common that Josh has not failed a drug test?
amnesiac
beer is good
perhaps i'm not being clear.
each case is handled separately.
they have no bearing on each other.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Hey Bayhwaks you make a good point about not knowing how much time their was from a failed test to announcement of suspension but Gordon's 'failed-test' was leaked prior to both of those other two announced suspensions which took place on the same day.
It would make sense for the league to get housecleaning of handing down suspensions taken care of at the same time if they had a case.
The leaked 'failed-test' was announced prior to those suspensions, so the league should have evidence of the failed test and if they had a case that warranted it makes sense that they would have simply suspended Josh along with the other two players over three weeks ago.
Its been over a month since the leak.
Over three weeks since the league handed down full-season suspensions to the only two players who faced that penalty.
If they ALREADY had evidence to suspend Gordon for a full-season in-hand, as per the leak, then why the delay unless his case has special circumstances?
The only reasonable explanation that fits if he does wind up getting a full season long suspension is exactly what you've provided where Gordon would have had a 'late' failed suspension, long after the other two and its just going thru channels but its Friday.
The league tends to handle things like this right before the weekend. So if he makes it through another TGIF it does seem to indicate their is an undeniable delay with Gordon's case.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
OK, if they are handled separately and have no barring on each other then riddle me this batman.
Why did the NFL announce the other two season-long suspensions for two players for failed drug tests on the exact same day, in the exact same press conference?
cstu
Footballguy
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ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Ridiculous. 1 and 2 are the only "facts". 3 and 4 are your opinions. "Seems" and "really" aren't used in factual statements. We know plenty more, unless you believe there are a lot of liars out there. We know that Rosenhaus and Little have adamantly said the test was not "failed". We know Gordon was out of the country at the time the test was to have taken place. We know he's an idiot that still hangs out with people who have pot. We know the Browns are still running him as WR1 in practice. We know they didn't really address WR despite his situation. We know that 2 players were docked a year for drugs. We know Ray Rice also has not been suspended.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
One minute ago on Cleveland Browns Daily they said that the longer this is delayed the better it is looking for Browns WR Josh Gordon having made a convicing appeal to any potential suspension.
They said he will likely face some sort of suspension but that the longer this goes on the better it seems that Josh Gordon will not face a season long suspension.
LINK to the live program in-progress:
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/audio/Cleveland_Browns_Daily_LIVE/2a0cc2c2-5d29-4b02-ac5b-b8b07fc17475
Also the 'leak' was announced on the second day of the draft where it was reported that the Browns had been informed in EARLY WINTER well before the draft of an impending suspension due to a failed drug test. That was when the Browns were informed so any failed test would have been months and months ago before the team was informed in early winter.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/josh_gordon_cleveland_browns_s_1.html
They said he will likely face some sort of suspension but that the longer this goes on the better it seems that Josh Gordon will not face a season long suspension.
LINK to the live program in-progress:
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/audio/Cleveland_Browns_Daily_LIVE/2a0cc2c2-5d29-4b02-ac5b-b8b07fc17475
Also the 'leak' was announced on the second day of the draft where it was reported that the Browns had been informed in EARLY WINTER well before the draft of an impending suspension due to a failed drug test. That was when the Browns were informed so any failed test would have been months and months ago before the team was informed in early winter.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/josh_gordon_cleveland_browns_s_1.html
Their is a delay folks.
You're ignoring my main point. The other two players DID NOT have news of their failed tests leaked. Perhaps they were informed that they failed tests last September, and the appeals/suspension process actually takes 7 months. We don't know how long the process takes.
If this is the case, then the fact that we haven't heard anything about Gordon's appeal/suspension at this point would not indicate a delay, as the process takes longer than the 6 weeks (approximately) since the leak. Because the news was leaked, we THINK the process is taking longer than normal, and that there is a "delay." In reality, we don't know if the process is taking longer than normal, is moving faster than normal, or if it is right on pace for an average failed test/appeal/suspension.
That report is speculating. They may very well end up being correct, but they are speculating.
Again, we DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE PROCESS TAKES. You believe there is a delay, but we don't know that this process is taking longer than it is supposed to.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The report was not speculating. The team was informed in early winter and Gordon got his second letter from the league in April. If the team was notified in early winter then the 'failed' test had to occured prior to the team being informed in early winter.
Their is another element that is apparently being missed by many about Gordon's case being different from Hill and Washington that has nothing to do with the length of the process which is complete and utter speculation.
Washington and Will Hill had failed multiple drug tests and the key point is both had been suspended twice, Gordon has only been suspended one time. Add his one suspension last year was cut from 4 to 2 games.
Additionally when the league was contemplating the one-year suspension to Washington he was charged with assulting his girlfriend.
Will Hill had already been suspended three times for violating the NFL drug policy. First for PEDs, then he got suspended for Adderall and the third time he was suspended for pot.
Gordon has not already faced suspension two times as both Hill and Washinton had and the longer this delay lingers the better it is for his chances to play this year. Length of proccess has less impact than the fact both Hill and Washington had already been suspended two-times to only one time for Josh Gordon.
Their is another element that is apparently being missed by many about Gordon's case being different from Hill and Washington that has nothing to do with the length of the process which is complete and utter speculation.
Washington and Will Hill had failed multiple drug tests and the key point is both had been suspended twice, Gordon has only been suspended one time. Add his one suspension last year was cut from 4 to 2 games.
Additionally when the league was contemplating the one-year suspension to Washington he was charged with assulting his girlfriend.
Will Hill had already been suspended three times for violating the NFL drug policy. First for PEDs, then he got suspended for Adderall and the third time he was suspended for pot.
Gordon has not already faced suspension two times as both Hill and Washinton had and the longer this delay lingers the better it is for his chances to play this year. Length of proccess has less impact than the fact both Hill and Washington had already been suspended two-times to only one time for Josh Gordon.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Blackmon, Tenard Jackson and Fred Davis were only suspended once prior to their indefinite suspensions.
I feel like the league cut Gordon some slack last year by reducing his suspension from 4 games to 2 and aren't likely to send the message again that they are lenient on him.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Lenient?
The two guys suspended three weeks ago for the 2014 NFL season had been suspended two times for non-PEDs recently and Hill had a PED violation to boot.
Daryl Washinton wasn't just a two-time loser on the suspension front and not only had an assult charge on the books while facing a year long ban get this.
He failed three drug tests this offseason, one apparently was a false positive but having already been suspended two times by the league and failing at least two drug tests, the guy goes out and assults his girl friend.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/04/daryl-washingtons-suspension-didnt-follow-the-usual-path/
So on one hand you have:
Will Hill:
- PED suspension
- drug suspension Adderall
- drug suspension pot
Daryl Washington
- drug suspension pot
- drug suspension pot
- assult charge while awaiting his third suspension for pot
- at least two failed drug tests for pot during this testing period
On the other you have Josh Gordon.
Josh Gordon
- one drug suspension that was cut from 4 to 2 games
Both Hill and Washington were suspended three weeks ago for the 2014 season.
Josh Gordon has yet to be disciplined by the league.
The longer the delay goes on the better his chances of playing at least part of this year IMHO and now more than a few reporters who cover the Browns are saying the same thing. Oh and one report said that the Giants were not informed of Hill's impending suspension until April 20th whereas the Browns were informed in early winter so unless someone wants to explain the logic of one player's team being informed months after another player who has yet to be suspended then...... um just come on.
Their is something different from Gordon's case and that is the reason he wasn't suspended along with Hill and Washington.
lod01
Footballguy
Yeah, he's a top caliber WR talent with the numbers to back it up and Johnny Manziel at QB. They are simply trying to figure out how to lessen the suspension without causing problem with other suspensions down the line. If this guy was a ham and egger, he would have already been handed the suspension. It's blatantly obvious that is what is going on.
That being said, I say he gets 8 games max.
have there been any previous violations that have taken this long to execute a suspension?
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Bamac
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
It's definitely possible Gordon only gets a 6 game suspension like Hill.
I thought Washington was only suspended one time in 2013?
Complicating matters for Gordon was getting pulled over with weed in his car. We don't know if he was immediately tested after that and failed another test.
cstu
Footballguy
I know the league doesn't want to suspend him but it will look really bad if they give him 6-8 games after failing/missing a test and then getting caught with weed in his car. Goodell might still do it but it makes him look weak and shows favoritism.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Let me clarify. They didn't address the situation, meaning they didn't draft a WR in a WR heavy draft (fact). And they brought in a bunch of bums to address the situation: Bennett (who they already cut) and Austin (still is not practicing due to already known hamstring fragility)(another fact).
Childress
Footballguy
I think you're right on with this, but I'm still expecting 16 games, but I think you're right with the reason of the delay.
treat88
Footballguy
Speaking as a Steeler fan, I don't want to see that at all. I want to see the best possible football product on the field. Gordon makes the game more entertaining and more competitive so I definitely want to see him playing.
I guess I will join those who have expressed guarded optimism that he will be doing that. I do think there are extranneous circumstances in this instance that don't make it a certainty he gets sat down. I'm not at all convinced the suspension report was ever supposed to see the light of day and it may be just as inaccurate as all the speculation that has followed.
Yes, it was. The part where they suggested that the longer this process took, the better it was for Gordon was speculation. Notice they didn't have any quotes or information from the NFL or the Browns to support this SPECULATION.
That point about Gordon only having one failed test that we are aware of wasn't missed. It was discussed, many times, in this thread. Gordon got a 4 games suspension without 2 failed tests, which suggests that something may be unusual about his situation (entered the league already in the drug program, a failed test we aren't aware of, etc).
1-It's THERE, not THEIR
2-You are wrong about when the Browns learned of the failed test, unless you have a link that I can't find. According to the report that YOU linked earlier (and seem to be basing this "early winter" stuff on), it says Gordon was informed about the failed test in early winter, but that the Browns knew about the failed test about a week before the draft.
(YOUR LINK)
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/josh_gordon_cleveland_browns_s_1.html
(THE PERTINENT QUOTES FROM THAT LINK)
AND
So, your belief that the Browns have known about this since early winter seems to be false.
3-Let's re-examine that first quote from your link. It says that in early winter Gordon was informed of his failed test. That suggests December or January. He gets a second letter in April telling him that he has the right to appeal. It's reasonable to assume that this was the result of verifying the result of the first test (with a "B" sample, or something to that effect). This second letter (in April) told Gordon he could appeal, which means he had not started that process as of that time. So if it takes 2 months for the NFL to verify a failed test & inform the player of a pending suspension, why would it be surprising that it takes AT LEAST that long for the appeals process?
cstu
Footballguy
I'm not a fan of any of those team nor am I a Gordon owner, but still hope I'm wrong and he gets the minimum suspension possible. Regardless of your personal feelings about Gordon he's good for the game.
I keep checking in expecting news and end up looking like your icon.
NFL was fine dropping the hammer on Von Miller, who is every bit as big of a star as Josh Gordon and who played for a better/more visible team.
Although part of me wonders idly if the reason for the holdup is because the NFL wants to announce the Rice and Gordon suspensions at the same time, because they're planning on giving Rice more games than Gordon. It'd be a good public relations move for the league, if nothing else. But that's just me throwing darts blindfolded.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Never thought of that angle.
Does make some sense also. Instead of teh focus being on one of your biggest stars getting nailed a few games for whatever, you drop the hammer on a dirtbag that decided his girl was a punching bag.
League gets a 'pat on the back' for punishing the real criminal.
Cant help but think Rosenhaus didnt already get some domestic abuse lobby groups involved to push an agenda
donkshow
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
So lets assume he gets just 6 games.....im pretty sure everyone figures he will violate again soon after...that makes all of this banter back n forth all for not.
identikit
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
The correct answer is Gordon will be suspended six weeks. The NFL will make sure he will miss both games against the Steelers.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
If you have reduced suspension and then as reported fail another test in the same season I would say there is a pretty good chance, that yes he will. In fact I'm going on the record that he has probably already failed another test.BustedKnuckles said:
amnesiac
beer is good
which could be a plausible explanation for the "delay" in the announcement.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Yes, that'd cause a huge delay in the process, for sure.
Or it'd make the decision 1000x easier. Case closed.
Id take the latter 100% of the time.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Sure, they could.
Goodell would also laugh in their faces and hit 'em with the REJECTED stamp immediately.
Two failed drugs tests in a "single" period... ya, there wouldnt be a delay, it'd just be game over.
amnesiac
beer is good
huh, you could be right. i had assumed there was some sort of process that they had to follow.
