WR Odell Beckham, Jr., Free Agent (4 Viewers)

[msudaisy26]

He doesn't have to duplicate this pace to be a top 5 receiver.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000431436/article/odell-beckham-has-the-brightest-future-of-rookie-wrs

That article is from Chris Wesseling. At one point he was F&L on these boards, and created the dynasty thread. He knows football, and isn't prone to hyperbole.

When I watch Beckham play, I can't get the image of a 1980s era Michael Jordan out of my head. Let me be clear: I'm not saying Beckham shares the NBA legend's size, hyper-competitive drive or penchant for willing his team to victory. But the vice-grip hands, easy leaping ability, graceful athleticism, mid-air dexterity and improvisational creativity are reminiscent -- as you can see in the video above.

Watkins, Evans and Benjamin have already demonstrated No. 1 receiver talent, beating top-end NFL cornerbacks. When I watch Game Rewind, though, it's Beckham's world-class athleticism that jumps off the screen.

 

[Bayhawks]

ODB-last 8 games:

94 targets, 69 catches, 1014 yards, 127 yards/game, 14.7 YPR, 8 TD

???WR-8 game stretch:

79 targets, 47 catches, 859 yards, 107 yards/game, 18.3 YPR, 10 TD

Whose the mystery WR?

 

[Jed]

ODB-last 8 games:

94 targets, 69 catches, 1014 yards, 127 yards/game, 14.7 YPR, 8 TD

???WR-8 game stretch:

79 targets, 47 catches, 859 yards, 107 yards/game, 18.3 YPR, 10 TD

Whose the mystery WR?

Probably Gordon, but what's your point?

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

And last year we said the same thing about Gordon and in the last couple of seasons we said the same thing about Cruz, about Hakeem Nicks, and about 10 other guys. It is simply not sustainable because the NFL DOES adjust. Two years ago, QBs like Kaep and Newton and RG III looked like they were going to rule the NFL for a dozen years and now what?

Some of you guys look at these short runs and extrapolate the numbers and say things like you're saying but the simple truth is it NEVER holds up. They can be great and they can be one of the best in the league. But they can't live up to the hype of these short runs.

Let me explain it to you this way: By the numbers, since he became a starter, he is on pace that would be 188 targets per season, 138 catches, 2028 yards and 16 TDs. Sorry, call me crazy but I don't see this holding up. I just can't come around to your way of thinking that he will maintain a pace that will shatter Jerry Rice's records in about 10 seasons.

Like I said, I get it that people are excited he will be really good, maybe one of the best. But when you loosely toss out absolutely unstoppable and dominant and instant top WR in dynasty, etc, etc, it tells me you are buying high. He played like Gordon did last year. How did that work out this year? We see this all the time. Even if he becomes that version of Wes Welker that was a PPR god for a handful of years, ok, maybe you can get that...and that's great. But to think he is going to come out and become a tier unto himself like some of you guys are talking is just setting you up for disappointment.

This is such a great post. Some people need to relax a bit.

[SIZE=10.5pt]"What a complete and utter beast."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]"He's unstoppable."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]"He was absolutely the difference for me in my matchup this week. Single handedly won it for me."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]"A man amongst boys"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]"Thoroughbred"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]"HOLY #### IN LOVE"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]"My goodness...what a badass"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]":boner:"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]"What the hell else can we even say in here? Speechless"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10.5pt]I think he's having a great season. But we've seen talent like this before. [/SIZE]

There are 13 guys in the history of the NFL that averaged 100+ yards per game. (none of them in their rookie year btw). As one would expect, the list is littered with HOFers or soon to be HOFers.

So have we seen this before? I guess we've seen it out of some of the best to ever play the position in their career best years.

I counted 18, but I stopped at 1960. Also, I didn't go back through individual seasons to see if guys who got 1300 yards in a 14 game season missed a game, which would change the numbers.

Of those 18, only 4 did it more than once. So, if you are going to use the rarity of ODB's performance as a measuring stick, you should be equally as willing to account for the rarity of the feat to mean he is unlikely to do it again.

The fact of the matter is that ODB is having a great run. But until he is able to sustain that success over a longer time span, there are going to be doubts. More proven WRs (even those who had bad years), will be more highly valued next season.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_single_season.htm

I used this page. 16 seasons, 13 players. Calvin x2, Torry Holt x2, Marvin Harrison x2.

I get that OBJ isn't going to get to 1600 because of the games played. Just used the 100+ as a barometer. Then again, that also includes his first three games where he wasn't even a starter. Since that point, its been 126.75 yards per game.

 

[Bayhawks]

What 15 running backs would be taken in the first 2 rounds? You realize that leaves 9 spots for everything else? So Gronk, Graham, Dez, Brown, Calvin, Jordy, Julio, Green, Cobb, Jeffery, DT, Sanders, and maybe Luck and Rodgers.

Bell, Murray, Forte, Foster, Charles, Lacy, ADP, Lynch (unless he retires), McCoy, Ingram (if back in NO), Hill, Mason, Forsett, CJ Anderson (if he solidifies his hold on the job in Den), 1 of the rookies who lands in the right situation. Add Gronk and/or Graham, Luck, Rodgers, Calvin, A Brown, Dez, Jordy, Green, D Thomas, Julio, and you have more than the 1st 2 rounds.

I'm not saying those picks will provide better value, or that they SHOULD be picked before ODB, but that they will get picked before him.

 

[Faust]

Drive of the Game: Odell Beckham Jr. takes it 80 yards

 

[Faust]

Coughlin defends Odell Beckham Jr.

 

[Bayhawks]

There are 13 guys in the history of the NFL that averaged 100+ yards per game. (none of them in their rookie year btw). As one would expect, the list is littered with HOFers or soon to be HOFers.

So have we seen this before? I guess we've seen it out of some of the best to ever play the position in their career best years.

I counted 18, but I stopped at 1960. Also, I didn't go back through individual seasons to see if guys who got 1300 yards in a 14 game season missed a game, which would change the numbers.

Of those 18, only 4 did it more than once. So, if you are going to use the rarity of ODB's performance as a measuring stick, you should be equally as willing to account for the rarity of the feat to mean he is unlikely to do it again.

The fact of the matter is that ODB is having a great run. But until he is able to sustain that success over a longer time span, there are going to be doubts. More proven WRs (even those who had bad years), will be more highly valued next season.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_single_season.htm

I used this page. 16 seasons, 13 players. Calvin x2, Torry Holt x2, Marvin Harrison x2.

I get that OBJ isn't going to get to 1600 because of the games played. Just used the 100+ as a barometer. Then again, that also includes his first three games where he wasn't even a starter. Since that point, its been 126.75 yards per game.

You do realize that the NFL didn't always have 16 game seasons, right?

And that not all players play EVERY game in every season?

You said the history of the NFL, so that means the entire history, which is what I looked at (again, stopped at 1960, b/c it was time consuming, AND didn't look at EVERY single player to see if he played EVERY game in a given season).

The point still remains that hitting 100 rec yards/game is difficult to do (as very few players have done it more than once), so it's reasonable to expect ODB's numbers to come down some next year, as he is producing at a nearly impossible to duplicate rate.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

I don't know where to find it but if no one else I think a staffer could locate current ADP which would give us a clue where he will go next August.

If he is there at the end of the first in my redraft I will do the ODB dance on my way up to the draft board.

 

[msudaisy26]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

 

[Banger]

[SIZE=10.5pt]I think he's having a great season. But we've seen talent like this before. [/SIZE]

who's the last rookie to do something like this?

only i can recall is randy moss (no do not say anquan boldin), which was pretty spectacular

which is the only player I can think of as well.

The Giants know what they have and are going to do everything they can to build the offense around this kid.

The ONLY chance that happens is if Coughlin leaves and McAdoo is the HC. It is NOT IN THE DNA of Caughlin to play this way. Too many variables, subject to weather, all eggs in one basket. NOT Caughlin at all.

you need to watch the games then and listen to what everyone in the Giants organization is saying. Coughlin has never had a player like him in his career. They are giving him the ball in critical points in the game and he's winning football games for them. TC's DNA is winning football games and he is their best player on either side of the ball and you're kidding yourself if you don't think that they will be doing everything they can to get the ball in his hands just like all the other teams do with their top players.

 

[shadyridr]

What 15 running backs would be taken in the first 2 rounds? You realize that leaves 9 spots for everything else? So Gronk, Graham, Dez, Brown, Calvin, Jordy, Julio, Green, Cobb, Jeffery, DT, Sanders, and maybe Luck and Rodgers.

Bell, Murray, Forte, Foster, Charles, Lacy, ADP, Lynch (unless he retires), McCoy, Ingram (if back in NO), Hill, Mason, Forsett, CJ Anderson (if he solidifies his hold on the job in Den), 1 of the rookies who lands in the right situation. Add Gronk and/or Graham, Luck, Rodgers, Calvin, A Brown, Dez, Jordy, Green, D Thomas, Julio, and you have more than the 1st 2 rounds.

I'm not saying those picks will provide better value, or that they SHOULD be picked before ODB, but that they will get picked before him.

Anybody who picks ADP, McCoy, Ingram, Hill, Mason or Forsett BEFORE Beckham Id like to join in a league with.

 

[Bayhawks]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

 

[shadyridr]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

OK WTF am I missing?

 

[Nugget]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

 

[shadyridr]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

The looney bin

 

[Nugget]

Ingram went 11th rd on average according to FBG PPR data as of Aug 25 - couldn't find Forsett.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Huh? How could he go 3.12 if he was the RB4? Who was taking Ingram at 3.11?

 

[shadyridr]

Yeah, Forsett went undrafted in both my leagues. Ingram went in the 8th-11th. I feel like I entered the twilight zone

 

[dcgangstas]

OBJ gets jax next week

Then Tennessee, Washington, and St. Louis.

This guy is going to win a lot of FF championships.

Truer words were never spoken.

I would imagine that either ODB or LeVeon Bell would be the most prominent members of FF championship teams.

 

[DaveL]

Ingram went 11th rd on average according to FBG PPR data as of Aug 25 - couldn't find Forsett.

FBG had ingram ranked RB 42 and Forsett not in the top 72 (where I stopped). James White was going before him

 

[Dippa]

Forsett went in the late 3rd in my 168-team league

 

[Pipes]

What 15 running backs would be taken in the first 2 rounds? You realize that leaves 9 spots for everything else? So Gronk, Graham, Dez, Brown, Calvin, Jordy, Julio, Green, Cobb, Jeffery, DT, Sanders, and maybe Luck and Rodgers.

Bell, Murray, Forte, Foster, Charles, Lacy, ADP, Lynch (unless he retires), McCoy, Ingram (if back in NO), Hill, Mason, Forsett, CJ Anderson (if he solidifies his hold on the job in Den), 1 of the rookies who lands in the right situation. Add Gronk and/or Graham, Luck, Rodgers, Calvin, A Brown, Dez, Jordy, Green, D Thomas, Julio, and you have more than the 1st 2 rounds.

I'm not saying those picks will provide better value, or that they SHOULD be picked before ODB, but that they will get picked before him.

Anybody who picks ADP, McCoy, Ingram, Hill, Mason or Forsett BEFORE Beckham Id like to join in a league with.

No crap...taking mediocre RB's in the 1st/2nd round is so early 2000's.

 

[shadyridr]

Forsett went in the late 3rd in my 168-team league

You play in a newbie league then. He went in the late 2nd in my only Ravens league

 

[Pipes]

There are 13 guys in the history of the NFL that averaged 100+ yards per game. (none of them in their rookie year btw). As one would expect, the list is littered with HOFers or soon to be HOFers.

So have we seen this before? I guess we've seen it out of some of the best to ever play the position in their career best years.

I counted 18, but I stopped at 1960. Also, I didn't go back through individual seasons to see if guys who got 1300 yards in a 14 game season missed a game, which would change the numbers.

Of those 18, only 4 did it more than once. So, if you are going to use the rarity of ODB's performance as a measuring stick, you should be equally as willing to account for the rarity of the feat to mean he is unlikely to do it again.

The fact of the matter is that ODB is having a great run. But until he is able to sustain that success over a longer time span, there are going to be doubts. More proven WRs (even those who had bad years), will be more highly valued next season.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_single_season.htm

I used this page. 16 seasons, 13 players. Calvin x2, Torry Holt x2, Marvin Harrison x2.

I get that OBJ isn't going to get to 1600 because of the games played. Just used the 100+ as a barometer. Then again, that also includes his first three games where he wasn't even a starter. Since that point, its been 126.75 yards per game.

You do realize that the NFL didn't always have 16 game seasons, right?

And that not all players play EVERY game in every season?

You said the history of the NFL, so that means the entire history, which is what I looked at (again, stopped at 1960, b/c it was time consuming, AND didn't look at EVERY single player to see if he played EVERY game in a given season).

The point still remains that hitting 100 rec yards/game is difficult to do (as very few players have done it more than once), so it's reasonable to expect ODB's numbers to come down some next year, as he is producing at a nearly impossible to duplicate rate.

Of course his numbers will go down. Doesn't mean he's not a top 5 WR next year.

 

[IheartGuinness]

What 15 running backs would be taken in the first 2 rounds? You realize that leaves 9 spots for everything else? So Gronk, Graham, Dez, Brown, Calvin, Jordy, Julio, Green, Cobb, Jeffery, DT, Sanders, and maybe Luck and Rodgers.

Bell, Murray, Forte, Foster, Charles, Lacy, ADP, Lynch (unless he retires), McCoy, Ingram (if back in NO), Hill, Mason, Forsett, CJ Anderson (if he solidifies his hold on the job in Den), 1 of the rookies who lands in the right situation. Add Gronk and/or Graham, Luck, Rodgers, Calvin, A Brown, Dez, Jordy, Green, D Thomas, Julio, and you have more than the 1st 2 rounds.

I'm not saying those picks will provide better value, or that they SHOULD be picked before ODB, but that they will get picked before him.

Anybody who picks ADP, McCoy, Ingram, Hill, Mason or Forsett BEFORE Beckham Id like to join in a league with.

If ADP returns to Minnesota I could see him being taken in the middle of the first. Maybe. And I think there's definitely a valid argument for taking McCoy in the top six or seven. He was very valuable last year, and given the amount of yards he accumulated, it was reasonable to assume there would be a drop-off in production. I still like that offense and think we could see a return to form next season. Given the dearth of options at the position and the depth at wide receiver, I could certainly see someone selecting McCoy around six or seven with the intention of grabbing an upper-tier wide receiver in the second. I think that justifies selecting him before Beckham. The rest of the names, I agree with.

 

[LawFitz]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Congrats on making one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this forum.

Forsett, Mason and Ingram getting picked ahead of ODB is beyond laughable. As is ODB being available in rd 3 next year.

 

[Bayhawks]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php

I selected 8/1/14 to 9/1/14 for the start/end dates

 

[CR69]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Bayhawks, what you've just written... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...

 

[golfguy]

he will be picked early next year because of this run, and some people will avoid luck because of what he did yesterday. that is the game. people acting like ODB is going to continue this pace, when this pace is an outlier is funny also. he isn't going to go for 185 recs, 2300 yards and 39 tds people. he is a solid wr, and might be the next best thing, however, I am not discounting that he had a hamstring injury for like 4 months. I can remember the isaac bruce days.

 

[shadyridr]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php

I selected 8/1/14 to 9/1/14 for the start/end dates

Data from 1125 mock drafts between November 12, 2014 and December 22, 2014

You took the short bus didnt you?

 

[msudaisy26]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.phpI selected 8/1/14 to 9/1/14 for the start/end dates

They were both selected right before Julian Jones. I apologize this is legit. How much is a subscription? 3 grand?

 

[dcgangstas]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Congrats on making one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this forum.

Forsett, Mason and Ingram getting picked ahead of ODB is beyond laughable. As is ODB being available in rd 3 next year.

Agreed, LawFitz. That statement is patently absurd.

 

[Bayhawks]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Congrats on making one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this forum.

Forsett, Mason and Ingram getting picked ahead of ODB is beyond laughable. As is ODB being available in rd 3 next year.

OK-historical ADP says otherwise, but OK.

I'm talking about a typical league where 2 RBs are started. Obviously if a league only starts 1 RB, or starts 3-4 WR, the "standard" ADP won't apply.

Because of positional scarcity, RBs get drafted earlier than some of them warrant. If you don't get a Jeremy Hill in the 2nd round, you might be stuck with a Jonathan Stewart or Reggie Bush in round 4. If you don't get ODB in the 2nd round, you might be "stuck" with a Marshall, Benjamin, or Golden Tate in the 3rd.

You can get viable WRs later in the draft, whereas RBs won't be available, so borderline RBs will get picked earlier than they should.

 

[Bayhawks]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Bayhawks, what you've just written... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul...

At least it featured original ideas. You not only sole your line from Billy Madison, but you offered nothing to further this thread.

Nice job.

 

[Bayhawks]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.phpI selected 8/1/14 to 9/1/14 for the start/end dates

They were both selected right before Julian Jones. I apologize this is legit. How much is a subscription? 3 grand?

Please feel free to provide your own ADP source. I'll gladly use that for the purposes of this discussion.

 

[FF Wiseguy]

I love Beckham, but I don't think he will be on any of my rosters next year, definitely not my auction leagues. Odds are that there will be at least one person who will put up top 3 WR price for him, which is a little too rich for my blood. The only reason I say so is Eli. He's done it to Cruz, and he can do it to ODB. Beckham is obviously much more talented than Cruz, but the expectations are going to be much higher as well. Give me Brown, Demaryius, Dez, and Jordy. He's right in there with Calvin/Julio/AJG, and I could see myself pulling the trigger if I wanted to call my shot, but it'd be tough.

I hope he falls to me. I hope people reach on Gronk, Rodgers, and Luck, or fill their RB2 spot in the early 2nd. But between when ODB has played his best, and how spectacularly he has done so, I just don't see him being available where I'm going to want him.

 

[Bayhawks]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php

I selected 8/1/14 to 9/1/14 for the start/end dates

Data from 1125 mock drafts between November 12, 2014 and December 22, 2014

You took the short bus didnt you?

Seriously? Read what I bolded.

You don't agree with me, fine-let's discuss the player. Why do you feel the need to act like a child and make immature comments like this?

This particular insult is just ignorant. I have a son who is labeled as autistic. He's basically akwardly shy, but because of his designation, he rides a "short bus" and other students feel like they have free reign to torment him and the others on that bus. BUT THEY ARE IN 2ND GRADE! You, I'd imagine possess a little more intelligence and maturity than those children do.

/end rant.

Again, anyone who feels like rationally and logically discussing this point, I welcome it. If you're going to act like children, please use less offensive insults, at the least.

 

[Nugget]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Congrats on making one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this forum.

Forsett, Mason and Ingram getting picked ahead of ODB is beyond laughable. As is ODB being available in rd 3 next year.

OK-historical ADP says otherwise, but OK.

I'm talking about a typical league where 2 RBs are started. Obviously if a league only starts 1 RB, or starts 3-4 WR, the "standard" ADP won't apply.

Because of positional scarcity, RBs get drafted earlier than some of them warrant. If you don't get a Jeremy Hill in the 2nd round, you might be stuck with a Jonathan Stewart or Reggie Bush in round 4. If you don't get ODB in the 2nd round, you might be "stuck" with a Marshall, Benjamin, or Golden Tate in the 3rd.

You can get viable WRs later in the draft, whereas RBs won't be available, so borderline RBs will get picked earlier than they should.

I'll give you 12 RBs in the first 2 rounds, 1 TE, and 2 QBs. Leaves 9 WRs.

Out of that breakdown, I'd predict 5 WRs go in the top 16 picks. I'd wager that ODB falls into that category.

Here is a link to some Spring ADPs by position for the PDSL leagues. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=706234

 

[Bayhawks]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Congrats on making one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this forum.

Forsett, Mason and Ingram getting picked ahead of ODB is beyond laughable. As is ODB being available in rd 3 next year.

Agreed, LawFitz. That statement is patently absurd.

Based on what? Provide some support, please. When has a rookie WR been drafted ahead of feature RBs who have established themselves as solid to potentially great RBs? Based on my experience, and the ADP data I've studied, RBs are more valued than WRs. And rookie WRs tend to get less respect than other WRs.

 

[Mister CIA]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php

I selected 8/1/14 to 9/1/14 for the start/end dates

Data from 1125 mock drafts between November 12, 2014 and December 22, 2014

You took the short bus didnt you?

Seriously? Read what I bolded.

You don't agree with me, fine-let's discuss the player. Why do you feel the need to act like a child and make immature comments like this?

This particular insult is just ignorant. I have a son who is labeled as autistic. He's basically akwardly shy, but because of his designation, he rides a "short bus" and other students feel like they have free reign to torment him and the others on that bus. BUT THEY ARE IN 2ND GRADE! You, I'd imagine possess a little more intelligence and maturity than those children do.

/end rant.

Again, anyone who feels like rationally and logically discussing this point, I welcome it. If you're going to act like children, please use less offensive insults, at the least.

The data from the site you cited is pretty fl-awful.

 

[Banger]

he will be picked early next year because of this run, and some people will avoid luck because of what he did yesterday. that is the game. people acting like ODB is going to continue this pace, when this pace is an outlier is funny also. he isn't going to go for 185 recs, 2300 yards and 39 tds people. he is a solid wr, and might be the next best thing, however, I am not discounting that he had a hamstring injury for like 4 months. I can remember the isaac bruce days.

I don't see anyone that's extrapolating out his production as a baseline. Also, name me a player that hasn't been injured. Calvin, Julio, AJ Green, Cobb and I could go on. Even Bruce who struggled early in his career got his hammy issues in control later on.

 

[IheartGuinness]

Data from 1125 mock drafts between November 12, 2014 and December 22, 2014


You took the short bus didnt you?

Seriously? Read what I bolded.

You don't agree with me, fine-let's discuss the player. Why do you feel the need to act like a child and make immature comments like this?

This particular insult is just ignorant. I have a son who is labeled as autistic. He's basically akwardly shy, but because of his designation, he rides a "short bus" and other students feel like they have free reign to torment him and the others on that bus. BUT THEY ARE IN 2ND GRADE! You, I'd imagine possess a little more intelligence and maturity than those children do.

/end rant.

Again, anyone who feels like rationally and logically discussing this point, I welcome it. If you're going to act like children, please use less offensive insults, at the least.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php

I selected 8/1/14 to 9/1/14 for the start/end dates

Data from 1125 mock drafts between November 12, 2014 and December 22, 2014

You took the short bus didnt you?

Seriously? Read what I bolded.

You don't agree with me, fine-let's discuss the player. Why do you feel the need to act like a child and make immature comments like this?

This particular insult is just ignorant. I have a son who is labeled as autistic. He's basically akwardly shy, but because of his designation, he rides a "short bus" and other students feel like they have free reign to torment him and the others on that bus. BUT THEY ARE IN 2ND GRADE! You, I'd imagine possess a little more intelligence and maturity than those children do.

/end rant.

Again, anyone who feels like rationally and logically discussing this point, I welcome it. If you're going to act like children, please use less offensive insults, at the least.

shady is often very toolish.

I don't think that link updates when you change the date range. Or at least I couldn't get it to do so. The data stays as current adp or somesuch..

 

[Banger]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Congrats on making one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this forum.

Forsett, Mason and Ingram getting picked ahead of ODB is beyond laughable. As is ODB being available in rd 3 next year.

Agreed, LawFitz. That statement is patently absurd.

Based on what? Provide some support, please. When has a rookie WR been drafted ahead of feature RBs who have established themselves as solid to potentially great RBs? Based on my experience, and the ADP data I've studied, RBs are more valued than WRs. And rookie WRs tend to get less respect than other WRs.

he's having one of the best rookie receiving years of all time...better comparison would be to see where Moss was ranked the year after his big rookie year.

Also, the game is clearly changing with respect to RB/WR so studying the past isn't looking forward.

 

[shadyridr]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?

Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.php

I selected 8/1/14 to 9/1/14 for the start/end dates

Data from 1125 mock drafts between November 12, 2014 and December 22, 2014

You took the short bus didnt you?

Seriously? Read what I bolded.

You don't agree with me, fine-let's discuss the player. Why do you feel the need to act like a child and make immature comments like this?

This particular insult is just ignorant. I have a son who is labeled as autistic. He's basically akwardly shy, but because of his designation, he rides a "short bus" and other students feel like they have free reign to torment him and the others on that bus. BUT THEY ARE IN 2ND GRADE! You, I'd imagine possess a little more intelligence and maturity than those children do.

/end rant.

Again, anyone who feels like rationally and logically discussing this point, I welcome it. If you're going to act like children, please use less offensive insults, at the least.

shady is often very toolish.

I don't think that link updates when you change the date range. Or at least I couldn't get it to do so. The data stays as current adp or somesuch..

THe guy went on a rant about Justin Forsett & Mark Ingram being drafted in the 3rd round THIS year and Im the tool. Does he even THINK before spouting such epic garbage.

 

[jtd13]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.phpI selected 8/1/14 to 9/1/14 for the start/end dates

Data from 1125 mock drafts between November 12, 2014 and December 22, 2014You took the short bus didnt you?

Seriously? Read what I bolded.You don't agree with me, fine-let's discuss the player. Why do you feel the need to act like a child and make immature comments like this?

This particular insult is just ignorant. I have a son who is labeled as autistic. He's basically akwardly shy, but because of his designation, he rides a "short bus" and other students feel like they have free reign to torment him and the others on that bus. BUT THEY ARE IN 2ND GRADE! You, I'd imagine possess a little more intelligence and maturity than those children do.

/end rant.

Again, anyone who feels like rationally and logically discussing this point, I welcome it. If you're going to act like children, please use less offensive insults, at the least.

shady is often very toolish.

I don't think that link updates when you change the date range. Or at least I couldn't get it to do so. The data stays as current adp or somesuch..

Here's some adp updated just before the season started. Just skimmed through, but didn't see Forsett.

http://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/adp/overall.php

 

[shadyridr]

I mean seriously. Some guy doesnt even know how to use a simple query, posts some garbage ADP not realizing its from December and BELIEVES it no matter how outlandish those numbers are and Im supposed to think Im dealing with someone with more than half a brain cell? I apologize about the short bus comment if it offended but seriously THINK before you post.

 

[msudaisy26]

Forsett not going in the top 2 rounds. Neither is Ingram. I doubt any of the rookies either. Rookie backs rarely go in the top 2 rounds of redraft. I doubt Hill does unless Gio is gone, Mason won't unless it is dynasty, Anderson is iffy.

Really?Forsett went 3.12 THIS YEAR, when he was the RB4 in Baltimore. Next year, he won't go 1 round higher, when he is the RB1 in Baltimore, after gaining 1400+ YFS and 8+ TDs? Ingram went 3.11 on the potential of what he could do in NO; now after he was top-10 in PPG, he won't go a round higher? Mason, in the 8 games when he was the starter has averaged 19 touches, 87 yards, and .63 TDs/game. That extrapolates to 1400 yards and 10 TDs; those kind of numbers got Ellington a 2nd round ADP this year. Hill has averaged 20 touches over the last 7 games, and Gio has been active in 4 of them. Hill has 756 yards in those 7 games, with 5 TDs. Even in a RBBC, those numbers will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Anderson has averaged 27 touches, 135 yards, and a TD/game since he became the starter. Those numbers will definitely get him drafted in the first 2 rounds. Even if you don't think a rookie will go in the 1st 2 rounds, that's 14. With the QBs, TE, and WRs that will get drafted in rounds 1 & 2, it's going to be hard for ODB got get a 1st 2 round ADP.

Where are you getting your ADP data from?

http://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp.phpI selected 8/1/14 to 9/1/14 for the start/end dates

They were both selected right before Julian Jones. I apologize this is legit. How much is a subscription? 3 grand?

Please feel free to provide your own ADP source. I'll gladly use that for the purposes of this discussion.

I use FBG then tweak it a little. Guys I have a good feel for I move them up or down accordingly. Guys I don't get to see as much I listen to the experts.