WR Odell Beckham, Jr., Free Agent (2 Viewers)

[Khy]

Too bad he showed his weakness..which is he doesn't like to be hit...The DB's of the league will be in his head from here on out. In fact the dude has a short fuse and that will come into play as well.

There is no group more physical than the Seahawks. He went for 7,108 on them. People are looking for a "weakness" at this point, grasping for straws. The only thing that can stop OBJ is injury.

And you know that 44 of that was on one play that Sherman didn't get a hand on him.

The rest of the game he was 6/64/0.

That's containment.

How can you take away a big play that happened? Wouldn't that be the same as arguing there was two passes he didn't catch. He was 7 of 9 on that day. One was a 40 yard bomb. He should have finished.... 8 for 148 and a TD.

Whats the difference? People that take away plays that happened make me laugh. Its an argument for people who have none.

That's a relevant thing to do in certain situations. If someone has 2 games all season that account for like 40% of their stats (Doug Martin rookie season), it's a reasonable study to remove those two games and reevaluate the situation. But you can't just remove a big play from a random game. That serves no purpose. Unless it's a situation like Latvius Murray where he blew off that like 80 yard TD run and then did little but be normal the rest of the year. Some people get lucky, but when you're talking about a guy like OBJ who had 16 catches of 20+ yards in 12 games. It's hardly an outlier that he caught a 44 yard pass. He was averaging at least one big play a game.

 

[Khy]

Teams aren't going to let him dominate like he did last year. They've had months to prepare and learn how to exploit his weaknesses. Will it stop him completely? No, but it may slow him and frustrate him to the point he becomes manageable.

I believe this to an extent, however guys like Randy Moss, T.O. and Jerry Rice were prepared for and it didn't matter.

Sometimes talent/system trumps preparation.

It is such a silly argument. Like NFL teams didn't realize Beckham was their only real offensive threat and didn't try to game plan against him. I know not all NFL coaches are geniuses, but come on they aren't total idiots.

There were several games later in the season where he was triple covered on a few plays and still outran the coverage. It's like people forget that as teams had more and more tape on him, he became harder and harder to stop. He just got better after every game. And that was after being a rookie in the NFL and missing every single training camp, OTA, preseason snap AND 4 games. He had literally zero training with the team outside of meetings and book studying. Think about the chemsitry Eli and OBJ had last year when they had no real time to build that chemistry. This year? He's been there for Training Camp and all offseason. Anyone thinking that last year was his ceiling is fooling themselves. Even if he doesn't put up quite the stats he did last year, there's good likelihood that he bests his rookie season again in his career.

 

[Banger]

Too bad he showed his weakness..which is he doesn't like to be hit...The DB's of the league will be in his head from here on out. In fact the dude has a short fuse and that will come into play as well.

How did he show his weakness?

By admitting it bothers him when the DB plays body instead of the ball. You don't think that they will be leveling shots at him all day long.

Teams aren't going to let him dominate like he did last year. They've had months to prepare and learn how to exploit his weaknesses. Will it stop him completely? No, but it may slow him and frustrate him to the point he becomes manageable.

but he won't learn more about cornerbacks tendencies, defensive coverages or develop a better repore with Manning having a training camp this year? Learning doesn't only impact one side of the equation.

 

[Banger]

Too bad he showed his weakness..which is he doesn't like to be hit...The DB's of the league will be in his head from here on out. In fact the dude has a short fuse and that will come into play as well.

There is no group more physical than the Seahawks. He went for 7,108 on them. People are looking for a "weakness" at this point, grasping for straws. The only thing that can stop OBJ is injury.

And you know that 44 of that was on one play that Sherman didn't get a hand on him.

The rest of the game he was 6/64/0.

That's containment.

you need to watch this...and don't forget that this is his 5 career game and was stil ramping up his snap count....http://www.giants.com/videos/videos/Mayocks-Slant-Odell-Beckham-finding-his-groove/6a9fbb5b-6c7c-4c8b-ac35-1877c46d8224

He didn't contain him...this was one of the few times he got owned. this was what Sherman who isn't one to heap praise on players said after the game..."Beckham is a great player," Sherman said after the game, per the New York Daily News. "So they had to depend on him and take risks and take shots in games like this. He was able to get one earlier, which was a great play by him."

As NFL Media's Daniel Jeremiah told NFL NOW, "If you don't get a hand on Odell Beckham off the line of scrimmage ... he will get on top of any corner. Arguably the best corner in the NFL (Sherman) could not run with Odell Beckham in the open field."

 

[Rubi]

Too bad he showed his weakness..which is he doesn't like to be hit...The DB's of the league will be in his head from here on out. In fact the dude has a short fuse and that will come into play as well.

There is no group more physical than the Seahawks. He went for 7,108 on them. People are looking for a "weakness" at this point, grasping for straws. The only thing that can stop OBJ is injury.

And you know that 44 of that was on one play that Sherman didn't get a hand on him.

The rest of the game he was 6/64/0.

That's containment.

He scored 17.8 FP(FFPC) without a TD and you call that contained?! I call that "HE SCORED 17.8 FP WITHOUT A TD!"

 

[Banger]

Teams aren't going to let him dominate like he did last year. They've had months to prepare and learn how to exploit his weaknesses. Will it stop him completely? No, but it may slow him and frustrate him to the point he becomes manageable.

I believe this to an extent, however guys like Randy Moss, T.O. and Jerry Rice were prepared for and it didn't matter.

Sometimes talent/system trumps preparation.

It is such a silly argument. Like NFL teams didn't realize Beckham was their only real offensive threat and didn't try to game plan against him. I know not all NFL coaches are geniuses, but come on they aren't total idiots.

ya, after THE CATCH in the Cowboy game teams didn't realize that they should start to cover him? He was the biggest story in the NFL at that point yet after that game he went for 7-90, 11-130-1, 12-143-3, 8-148-2 and 12-185-1. Someone should've told these teams that he was good.

 

[Yenrub]

Too bad he showed his weakness..which is he doesn't like to be hit...The DB's of the league will be in his head from here on out. In fact the dude has a short fuse and that will come into play as well.

There is no group more physical than the Seahawks. He went for 7,108 on them. People are looking for a "weakness" at this point, grasping for straws. The only thing that can stop OBJ is injury.

And you know that 44 of that was on one play that Sherman didn't get a hand on him.

The rest of the game he was 6/64/0.

That's containment.

Let me get this straight

Your example of OBJ getting shut down includes a video of him abusing one of the top CB’s in the league on one of the best (if not the best) defenses in the league

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Michael Jordan in pads. Draft him everywhere you can.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Too bad he showed his weakness..which is he doesn't like to be hit...The DB's of the league will be in his head from here on out. In fact the dude has a short fuse and that will come into play as well.

There is no group more physical than the Seahawks. He went for 7,108 on them. People are looking for a "weakness" at this point, grasping for straws. The only thing that can stop OBJ is injury.

And you know that 44 of that was on one play that Sherman didn't get a hand on him.

The rest of the game he was 6/64/0.

That's containment.

Let me get this straightYour example of OBJ getting shut down includes a video of him abusing one of the top CB’s in the league on one of the best (if not the best) defenses in the league

Its Beckhams fault Sherman couldnt lay a hand on him

 

[cstu]

Too bad he showed his weakness..which is he doesn't like to be hit...The DB's of the league will be in his head from here on out. In fact the dude has a short fuse and that will come into play as well.

There is no group more physical than the Seahawks. He went for 7,108 on them. People are looking for a "weakness" at this point, grasping for straws. The only thing that can stop OBJ is injury.

And you know that 44 of that was on one play that Sherman didn't get a hand on him.

The rest of the game he was 6/64/0.

That's containment.

He scored 17.8 FP(FFPC) without a TD and you call that contained?! I call that "HE SCORED 17.8 FP WITHOUT A TD!"

Yes, that's containing him.

You want to bet that he scores over 20 PPG in PPR? I'll take the under.

 

[Ilov80s]

Ya, if he's not the 1st WR taken or the highest priced auction WR (of course that's subject to when he's auctioned and how much money people have left), then something's wrong. There is not a WR I'd want more and each passing game only widens the gap.

Seems like something is wrong with people. He half asses a preseason game and now people are talking bust.

 

[Jed]

The big question is: Will ctsu be here for the crow when OBJ shreds the league again?

 

[ImTheScientist]

The big question is: Will ctsu be here for the crow when OBJ shreds the league again?

I'll take the nope.

 

[Freelove]

The big question is: Will ctsu be here for the crow when OBJ shreds the league again?

I'll take the nope.

Irony meter explosion.

 

[cstu]

The big question is: Will ctsu be here for the crow when OBJ shreds the league again?

I'll take the nope.

Absolutely, but I honestly don't think I'm saying anything outrageous that he won't average 20+ PPR PPG since there have only been 9 the past 3 years who have (including OB).

 

[jurb26]

I heard a doctor talking about OBJ and his hammy's a few weeks ago. Basically it was said that he is going to be prone to reoccurring hammy issues his entire career due to the grades of tears and his track background. Not sure if this is at all valid or not. Anyone hear about this? I am sure I hate hammy injuries.

 

[ghostguy123]

I heard a doctor talking about OBJ and his hammy's a few weeks ago. Basically it was said that he is going to prone to reoccurring hammy issues his entire career due to the grades of tears and his track background. Not sure if this is at all valid or not. Anyone hear about this?

This doesnt need to be OBJ specific.

Prior hamstring injuries, whether they are properly treated and rehabbed or not, lead to an increase in risk for further hamstring injuries.

It doesn't mean he WILL have hamstring problems. It just means he has an increased risk for them.

So yes, there is some truth to this.

 

[Ilov80s]

Ask Revis if ODB is soft

 

[cstu]

Ask Revis if ODB is soft

Ask OB about getting contained to 31 yards.

 

[Banger]

Ask Revis if ODB is soft

Ask OB about getting contained to 31 yards.

What are your projections for him?

 

[cstu]

Ask Revis if ODB is soft

Ask OB about getting contained to 31 yards.

What are your projections for him?

90/1300/12

 

[Banger]

Ask Revis if ODB is soft

Ask OB about getting contained to 31 yards.

What are your projections for him?

90/1300/12

I'll take that. So why are you slagging him all the time?

 

[hotboyz]

Ask Revis if ODB is soft

Ask OB about getting contained to 31 yards.

Don't forget he caught 5 of 6 targets and made a spectacular 1 hand catch against Revis that was taken off the board. He is the best Wr in the game!!

 

[cstu]

Ask Revis if ODB is soft

Ask OB about getting contained to 31 yards.

What are your projections for him?

90/1300/12

I'll take that. So why are you slagging him all the time?

Michael Jordan in pads. Draft him everywhere you can.

 

[Jed]

Ask Revis if ODB is soft

Ask OB about getting contained to 31 yards.

What are your projections for him?

90/1300/12

What about the other 3 games?

 

[Yenrub]

Ask Revis if ODB is soft

Ask OB about getting contained to 31 yards.

Certainly not his best half of football

 

[karmarooster]

Week 1 against Cowboys looking juicy, without Scandrick OBJ will tear this DB unit up.

 

[cstu]

Week 1 against Cowboys looking juicy, without Scandrick OBJ will tear this DB unit up.

 

[MattFancy]

That was disappointing, but the whole Giants offense looked off last night. Didn't really seem like Eli was looking for him or any WR that often.

 

[Manster]

ODB is who defenses will plan for against the giants. Dudes a stud, but he's young too. Time will tell how he handles it.

 

[chad in Indy]

This was hard to watch. Victor Cruz cannot get back quick enough. Preston Parker was terrible last night. Dallas kept the safeties deep the entire night and rolled double coverage to OBJ. With ZERO run game to engage the safeties, it left no chances to attack downfield. Seemed the couple times Eli thought about it, he was avoiding a sack before he could throw deeper than 15 yds.

They may have been able to overcome this with a solid 3 WR set attacking the seams, but again, Parker was really bad. Hopefully, the run game picks up, and Cruz returns at least to 90% of what he was, or this is going to be a bad investment for OBJ owners, including me.

 

[Jed]

Week 1 against Cowboys looking juicy, without Scandrick OBJ will tear this DB unit up.

A touch early to be passive aggressively crowing.

 

[msudaisy26]

I really hope he goes off for 200 and 3 next week and does a back flip catch or something. This thread would break the Internet.

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

Fart.

 

[mikel0254]

I really hope he goes off for 200 and 3 next week and does a back flip catch or something. This thread would break the Internet.

This was hard to watch. Victor Cruz cannot get back quick enough. Preston Parker was terrible last night. Dallas kept the safeties deep the entire night and rolled double coverage to OBJ. With ZERO run game to engage the safeties, it left no chances to attack downfield. Seemed the couple times Eli thought about it, he was avoiding a sack before he could throw deeper than 15 yds.

They may have been able to overcome this with a solid 3 WR set attacking the seams, but again, Parker was really bad. Hopefully, the run game picks up, and Cruz returns at least to 90% of what he was, or this is going to be a bad investment for OBJ owners, including me.

Beating double coverage is what separates good from great WR's. Not a great start from ODB but the whole offense looked bad (I don't expect that to continue all year). I would be much more distraught if Eli was hitting the other WR's at will and ODB couldn't get open...but that didn't happen. Time will tell if he can beat double coverage, but I'm still in the camp that thinks he's a special talent. No need to panic...buy low if you can.

 

[Wonderllama]

I saw someone completely timid out there. The sophomore slump is real and it's in play. If someone offered me Julio for OBJ, I would not say no

By the way, Cruz was right to start Julio over OBJ in that commercial. Haha

 

[saintfool]

Eli looked terrible last night.

 

[urbanhack]

Chosen1

 

[matttyl]

Just got him for Keenan Allen and Chris Ivory

 

[Shutout]

I really hope he goes off for 200 and 3 next week and does a back flip catch or something. This thread would break the Internet.

I don't think people really care that much.

The people who own OBJ think he is Jesus in cleats and is destined to break every record known to man...#! dynasty WR...all that.

The people who don't own OBJ point to the beyond ridiculous chances of the stat line from last year sustaining, citing the absurd number of targets, the perfect storm, etc.

He's a great talent and he will have games that will support the "for" side and he will have games like last night. In their own ways, both sides of this will be right and wrong. I guess he's crossed over in to that SJAX/CJ2k/Brady zone of super polarizing players.

 

[Interseptopus]

I think he's an ultimate buy low. Many ODB owners will be panicking seeing the targets, low stat line. If you watched the game the Giants looked just bad, and they were rolling coverage to ODB often.

I'm not ready to panic yet. I'll stand tight. If you can grab him for some over achieving week one guys (see the post above mine), then you will probably get a good deal. Next week should be a much better matchup. You can bet the Giants know what every one else knows... They need to get the ball to thier playmakers

 

[Shutout]

I think he's an ultimate buy low. Many ODB owners will be panicking seeing the targets, low stat line. If you watched the game the Giants looked just bad, and they were rolling coverage to ODB often.

I'm not ready to panic yet. I'll stand tight. If you can grab him for some over achieving week one guys (see the post above mine), then you will probably get a good deal. Next week should be a much better matchup. You can bet the Giants know what every one else knows... They need to get the ball to thier playmakers

I agree in some ways but I will say that I don't think the Giants looked bad. They didn't play terrible. They just didn't play like ff guys want them to. They played like Tom Caughlin wants them to. When they have healthy running backs, they like to run and play defense.

I WAS surprised that they didn't threaten the defense with Vareen as a pass catcher more though. I really though that could be an area they could have done some damage in.

 

[JNox3]

Just got him for Keenan Allen and Chris Ivory

Did you watch Keenan Allen yesterday? He looked possessed. Pissed off all game for some reason.

 

[Manster]

I saw someone completely timid out there. The sophomore slump is real and it's in play. If someone offered me Julio for OBJ, I would not say no

By the way, Cruz was right to start Julio over OBJ in that commercial. Haha

JJ Wilcox may have had something to do with that

 

[cstu]

Week 1 against Cowboys looking juicy, without Scandrick OBJ will tear this DB unit up.

A touch early to be passive aggressively crowing.

I own him.

See above, I expected him have a better game than this.

 

[C-Bound]

and does a back flip catch or something.

Wrong guy: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/5/8/8576081/rams-stedman-bailey-makes-1-handed-backflip-catch-at-practice

 

[rockaction]

Eli looked terrible last night.

He looked much worse in the preseason (we get all the games here in CT). He looked good last night. I expect this to get ironed out when Cruz comes back, but who knows when that will be or how effective he's going to be.

 

[LawFitz]

Wait, so now Cruz needs to be back for ODB to perform? I thought he blew up last year because of Cruz's absence.

 

[rockaction]

Wait, so now Cruz needs to be back for ODB to perform? I thought he blew up last year because of Cruz's absence.

They weren't rolling those safeties over in games that weren't determining playoff status.

And I don't want to take the sword for OBJ arguments for either side; my opinion is that he could use some help. Preston Parker ain't cutting it.

 

[packer_junkie]

He needs more targets... Thats on Eli