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WR Odell Beckham, Jr., Free Agent (1 Viewer)

FreeBaGeL said:
Why would them being a bad team this year mean they should trade a 25 year old stud WR?  They have plenty of time to rebuild while Beckham is still in his prime.

Like you said they'll get their shot at a QB in the 2019 class and have their Barkley/Beckham/QB trio for half a dozen years.

The sideline blowup will blow over like it always does.  At least his blowups are because he wants to win and not because he's mad he's not getting force fed the ball every play like other great receivers in the past.
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i wanna quote this on every page of this thread. well said.

About that o-line, granted Eli looks like a shell of himself, but NFL radio this morning made a great assessment of the situation. Sorry for the detraction from the OBJ talk, but it seems relevant. The Giants have indeed made a concerted effort to revamp that o-line for the past 4 years through the draft and trades. Eagles in comparison took the exact same approach. Where the guys Eagles ended up with have panned out well, the guys Giants ended up with are either not on the team anymore or simply haven't panned out yet. Eli can certainly help the o-line if he was mobile and that obviously hurts, but the Giants have made bad choices one after the other. So to say the Giant's have upgraded their o-line is false. They made changes and spent the money, but it's not any better than it was 4 years ago or any of the teams since. I won't pretend I'm a Giants expert, but this looks to be the best narrative I've heard that makes any sense between what the team has done and what they look like now.

Back to OBJ, his quote last week about playing with heart, that defense certainly didn't show it last night. I'm an eagles fan so it was fun to see the shalacking, but the breakdown of the o-line and complete lack of organization of the secondary looked to be painfully obvious. I know very little of Shurmur, but his management of the game didn't look that great either. The whole team is falling apart and it's not Eli and certainly not OBJ.

/endsoapbox

 
Some of the comments about OBJ are comical.

You think he's mentally ill or a cancer because he gets angry on the sidelines? That level of nitpicking is just dumb.

The amusing thing is that for all the criticism of his interview - everything he said appears to be true. I saw a lot of Giants jogging on TNF. Of course, Beckham wasn't one of them.

The team has an OL problem and a really big QB problem. It doesn't have a WR or OBJ problem. 

 
btemp said:
Some of the comments about OBJ are comical.

You think he's mentally ill or a cancer because he gets angry on the sidelines? That level of nitpicking is just dumb.

The amusing thing is that for all the criticism of his interview - everything he said appears to be true. I saw a lot of Giants jogging on TNF. Of course, Beckham wasn't one of them.

The team has an OL problem and a really big QB problem. It doesn't have a WR or OBJ problem. 
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He's behaving like Giants fans are feeling. This #### is frustrating to watch.

 
btemp said:
Some of the comments about OBJ are comical.

You think he's mentally ill or a cancer because he gets angry on the sidelines? That level of nitpicking is just dumb.

The amusing thing is that for all the criticism of his interview - everything he said appears to be true. I saw a lot of Giants jogging on TNF. Of course, Beckham wasn't one of them.

The team has an OL problem and a really big QB problem. It doesn't have a WR or OBJ problem. 
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He is a cancer. Leaders don’t throw their teammates and coaches under the bus. True or not, doesn’t matter. I don’t think he’s crazy, I think he’s a selfish entitled brat. He is not the WR he was 2 years ago. I can see the decline. That one handed catch on Sunday Night football was the turning point. He doesn’t know how to handle the success and accolades and he sucks as a teammate. 

 
While I agree he is not behaving appropriate for his station, I think all of the antics go away with success. And that doesn’t look like it’s going to happen this year. 

 
I've never seen so many people who know so little about the Giants claiming he's a locker room cancer, crazy, bad teammate, etc. Claiming his skills have declined is also ludicrous. Have you seen what he has playing around him? I think last night's game was the first time some of you guys have watched a Giants game and I pray that guys in my dynasties where I don't have OBJ think like you guys and trade him to me at a discount.  

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
He is a cancer. Leaders don’t throw their teammates and coaches under the bus. True or not, doesn’t matter. I don’t think he’s crazy, I think he’s a selfish entitled brat. He is not the WR he was 2 years ago. I can see the decline. That one handed catch on Sunday Night football was the turning point. He doesn’t know how to handle the success and accolades and he sucks as a teammate. 
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The bolded is hilarious. You should take your show on the road.

 
Jello_Biafra said:
The bolded is hilarious. You should take your show on the road.
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Sure.  Sorry if I hurt your feelings. When I say decline, I'm talking mentally which trickles down to his focus/concentration/effort ultimately showing up in his lack of dominance.  My success in FF has come with making predictions about the future, so that's what I'm doing here. I can be wrong but I'd rather be wrong on my own thoughts and my gut is telling me he is a ticking time bomb.  I do own OBJ in 2 dynasty leagues and am looking to trade him.  I can see the writing on the wall.  The video that surfaced this summer with him holding a coke straw sort of pushed my perceptions over to the negative edge. I was an optimistic OBJ owner not too long ago.  I loved the way he handled the offseason but he isn't getting better in the 'good teammate' department, he's getting worse and now with that contract, I don't have faith in him turning it around.  He's young enough to turn it around though and I hope he does because he's fun to watch.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Sure.  Sorry if I hurt your feelings. When I say decline, I'm talking mentally which trickles down to his focus/concentration/effort ultimately showing up in his lack of dominance.  My success in FF has come with making predictions about the future, so that's what I'm doing here. I can be wrong but I'd rather be wrong on my own thoughts and my gut is telling me he is a ticking time bomb.  I do own OBJ in 2 dynasty leagues and am looking to trade him.  I can see the writing on the wall.  The video that surfaced this summer with him holding a coke straw sort of pushed my perceptions over to the negative edge. I was an optimistic OBJ owner not too long ago.  I loved the way he handled the offseason but he isn't getting better in the 'good teammate' department, he's getting worse and now with that contract, I don't have faith in him turning it around.  He's young enough to turn it around though and I hope he does because he's fun to watch.
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Out of curiosity, what would it take for you to trade him? Would you go after a "safer" WR1, like Hopkins and give OBJ+? You'd have to give something significant with Beckham to get a nice safe guy like Evans, Hopkins, Thomas. If that's what you'd be doing, how much more are you willing to give up? Would you try to upgrade somewhere else? I'd like to know how easily you'd trade this mentally declining, not dominating player.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
When I say decline, I'm talking mentally which trickles down to his focus/concentration/effort ultimately showing up in his lack of dominance.
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He's averaging 18 FPPG on the worst offense in football with a QB that won't throw the ball more than 5 yards beyond the LoS.

:shrug:

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
He's averaging 18 FPPG on the worst offense in football with a QB that won't throw the ball more than 5 yards beyond the LoS.

:shrug:
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I don't blame the coaching for feeding Barkley and ignoring Beckham at times because right now that is the safest way for the Giants to move the ball. That and short passes to the WRs and Engram when he gets back. Trying to push it downfield results mostly in a sack, INT, or an uncatchable pass. Nothing wrong with Beckham's talent or the way he's playing this year. He's doing pretty good despite the almost impossible task of catching a pass from Eli.

 
Jello_Biafra said:
Out of curiosity, what would it take for you to trade him? Would you go after a "safer" WR1, like Hopkins and give OBJ+? You'd have to give something significant with Beckham to get a nice safe guy like Evans, Hopkins, Thomas. If that's what you'd be doing, how much more are you willing to give up? Would you try to upgrade somewhere else? I'd like to know how easily you'd trade this mentally declining, not dominating player.
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Hopkins is a better WR than OBJ right now and will most likely end up the better WR when both their careers are complete.  So yeah, I'd give OBJ + for Hopkins without hesitation.  Nuk also plays with an ascending QB who appears to have super star upside.  No brainer trade for me.  Not sure I feel the same about Evans or Thomas, however.  Hopkins is my favorite WR in dynasty.  I may even consider OBJ + my 1st which will be bottom 4 in a 16 team league for Hopkins.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
He's averaging 18 FPPG on the worst offense in football with a QB that won't throw the ball more than 5 yards beyond the LoS.

:shrug:
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He's still an incredible athlete just hitting his prime.  I'm not saying he downright sucks.  I'm just saying that I don't think this ends well. In dynasty, I'm selling, not buying.  He will eek out some productive years for sure.  He has superstar qualities athletically but severely lacks them mentally.  He may prove me wrong and good for him if he does. I'm not wishing negativity on him, only taking action based on a fantasy football perspective and explaining that here on a forum for FF.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Hopkins is a better WR than OBJ right now and will most likely end up the better WR when both their careers are complete.  So yeah, I'd give OBJ + for Hopkins without hesitation.  Nuk also plays with an ascending QB who appears to have super star upside.  No brainer trade for me.  Not sure I feel the same about Evans or Thomas, however.  Hopkins is my favorite WR in dynasty.  I may even consider OBJ + my 1st which will be bottom 4 in a 16 team league for Hopkins.
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Thank you. That is very useful. I offered Hopkins in 2 leagues to the OBJ owners and was turned down. Now, with your post, I see his value more clearly. Not sure a 1st would be enough for me to move Hopkins, I'd want a bump at RB for me to consider. That's just because of his perceived value, because OBJ is a better WR than Hopkins. Hopkins has not proven to be QB proof. OBJ has proven to be anything proof. He produces, so far in his career, at a monster pace. Because of this I think, when push comes to shove, the OBJ owners won't want to give up much more to get Hopkins.

 
Jello_Biafra said:
Thank you. That is very useful. I offered Hopkins in 2 leagues to the OBJ owners and was turned down. Now, with your post, I see his value more clearly. Not sure a 1st would be enough for me to move Hopkins, I'd want a bump at RB for me to consider. That's just because of his perceived value, because OBJ is a better WR than Hopkins. Hopkins has not proven to be QB proof. OBJ has proven to be anything proof. He produces, so far in his career, at a monster pace. Because of this I think, when push comes to shove, the OBJ owners won't want to give up much more to get Hopkins.
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Ok, now I know we're not watching the same NFL.  OBJ has had the same QB who is a two-time Super Bowl champion.  Nuk has put up pro-bowl numbers pretty much every season with these stud QBs: Tom Savage, Brock Osweiler, Brandon Weeden, T.J. Yates, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum and Matt Schaub.  Say what again about Hopkins not proving he is QB proof?

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Ok, now I know we're not watching the same NFL.  OBJ has had the same QB who is a two-time Super Bowl champion.  Nuk has put up pro-bowl numbers pretty much every season with these stud QBs: Tom Savage, Brock Osweiler, Brandon Weeden, T.J. Yates, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum and Matt Schaub.  Say what again about Hopkins not proving he is QB proof?
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yes. Hopkins is the definition of QB proof

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Ok, now I know we're not watching the same NFL.  OBJ has had the same QB who is a two-time Super Bowl champion.  Nuk has put up pro-bowl numbers pretty much every season with these stud QBs: Tom Savage, Brock Osweiler, Brandon Weeden, T.J. Yates, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum and Matt Schaub.  Say what again about Hopkins not proving he is QB proof?
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Seriously? Eli of today is as good as Eli when he won those SBs? He has had horrible OL play and still able to get the ball to OBJ. Remind me what happened to Hopkins in 2016? Was that bad season due to him, or the QB play? 

 
Jello_Biafra said:
Seriously? Eli of today is as good as Eli when he won those SBs? He has had horrible OL play and still able to get the ball to OBJ. Remind me what happened to Hopkins in 2016? Was that bad season due to him, or the QB play? 
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Correct. I traded Hopkins in the middle of the 2016 season in re-draft for Jordan Howard and won a championship because of it. Hopkins was essentially a low-end WR2 that season.

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Ok, now I know we're not watching the same NFL.  OBJ has had the same QB who is a two-time Super Bowl champion.  Nuk has put up pro-bowl numbers pretty much every season with these stud QBs: Tom Savage, Brock Osweiler, Brandon Weeden, T.J. Yates, Ryan Mallett, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum and Matt Schaub.  Say what again about Hopkins not proving he is QB proof?
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I'm an OBJ owner but I agree with this... Hopkins has been great for years and just now has a good QB.

 
Sorry for hippling the thread,  but after reading the last few pages I wish I didn't own him in a 4 player keeper league so I could trade for him. :lol:

 
Jello_Biafra said:
Seriously? Eli of today is as good as Eli when he won those SBs? He has had horrible OL play and still able to get the ball to OBJ. Remind me what happened to Hopkins in 2016? Was that bad season due to him, or the QB play? 
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The point I was trying to bring home is that Hopkins is the very definition of QB proof because he's had 11 QBs (most of whom have sucked) in his short career.  OBJ on the other hand has had the same QB his entire career.  You were saying OBJ is the QB proof and Hopkins is not when in fact the exact opposite has proven to be true so far in their careers.  How can OBJ be QB proof when he's only had 1 QB?  It's ok to admit you're wrong dude.  There is no shame in that at all.  

 
I just traded away OBJ in 1/2 dynasty leagues.  

I gave: OBJ, 2nd round pick, $15

I got: DeAndre Hopkins

I'm very happy with that trade. I don't foresee myself trading away OBJ in my other dynasty because Hopkins is about the only WR I'd want and I own him too (along with A. Brown).

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
I just traded away OBJ in 1/2 dynasty leagues.  

I gave: OBJ, 2nd round pick, $15

I got: DeAndre Hopkins

I'm very happy with that trade. I don't foresee myself trading away OBJ in my other dynasty because Hopkins is about the only WR I'd want and I own him too (along with A. Brown).
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But he's a cancer and his skills are declining. And Hopkins is the only other WR you'd want? So, you have a crazy guy with declining skills ranked 2nd? 

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
The point I was trying to bring home is that Hopkins is the very definition of QB proof because he's had 11 QBs (most of whom have sucked) in his short career.  OBJ on the other hand has had the same QB his entire career.  You were saying OBJ is the QB proof and Hopkins is not when in fact the exact opposite has proven to be true so far in their careers.  How can OBJ be QB proof when he's only had 1 QB?  It's ok to admit you're wrong dude.  There is no shame in that at all.  
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Remind me what happened to Hopkins in 2016? Was that bad season due to him, or the QB play? 

 
The interesting thing about the Hopkins comparison is that no one would say Hopkins had a bad year last year, but he actually scored the same FPPG as OBJ is averaging this year and people are treating it like a terrible year for OBJ.

 
Beckham cares more about his image then his game... Pretty Boy NFL star,,,no thanks,,,  Give me grind and grit...not a dude that colors his hair to look like a birds Nest

 
oswizzle said:
Beckham cares more about his image then his game... Pretty Boy NFL star,,,no thanks,,,  Give me grind and grit...not a dude that colors his hair to look like a birds Nest
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He's going to have a complete meltdown when Julio Jones has like 12-200-0 and are up 10-0 haha

 
FreeBaGeL said:
The interesting thing about the Hopkins comparison is that no one would say Hopkins had a bad year last year, but he actually scored the same FPPG as OBJ is averaging this year and people are treating it like a terrible year for OBJ.
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And THAT is the difference between someone who is "likeable" and someone who is NOT.

***holes usually don't get the benefit of the doubt. That's just how it is (and maybe how it should be).

 
The next six games are against the 4th, 14th, 13th, 2nd, 7th, 5th WORST pass defense in the league.

Ultimate buy-low right now.  Barkley just showed he can ball out against good run defenses so they're going to stack the box even more. Beckham is going to run wild the rest of the season.  Trade for him if you can.

 
Pretty sure his best years are behind him. 5 star athlete with a 5 cent brain. I bet the owner wishes he could reneg on his contract. 

 
Odell Beckham - WR -  Giants

Odell Beckham caught 8-of-11 targets for 143 yards and one touchdown in the Giants' 23-20, Week 7 loss to the Falcons on Monday night.

Beckham had a relatively quiet first half with three catches for 57 yards, but he beat the defense for a 51-yard strike on a double-move in the third quarter then caught a pair of sideline passes in the fourth quarter to set up a Saquon Barkley touchdown run. With the Giants then trailing 23-12 with five seconds left in the game, Beckham caught a meaningless-to-the-game one-yard touchdown. But that score likely swung a lot of fantasy matchups and also allowed the Giants to backdoor the +4 spread for bettors. OBJ has four 100-yard games this year and gets the Redskins at home in Week 8.

Oct 22 - 11:16 PM
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Didn’t get to see the whole game but he looked good last night. He’s unstoppable on slants if Eli can put the ball where it needs to be. 

 
He's the #3 ranked WR in our league and no one wants him. Crazy low value. I think most of us are waiting for the  wheels to  fall off completely.

 
steelerfan1 said:
He's the #3 ranked WR in our league and no one wants him. Crazy low value. I think most of us are waiting for the  wheels to  fall off completely.
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Yeah. It's weird. I own him in one dynasty and am gonna try to trade for him in another. The owner is absolutely in that waiting for wheels to fall off mindset. I'm ready to double down, baby!

 
tombonneau said:
Yeah. It's weird. I own him in one dynasty and am gonna try to trade for him in another. The owner is absolutely in that waiting for wheels to fall off mindset. I'm ready to double down, baby!
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In redrafts - are we worrying they go into full tank evaluate mode and actually get worse?

 
tombonneau said:
Yeah. It's weird. I own him in one dynasty and am gonna try to trade for him in another. The owner is absolutely in that waiting for wheels to fall off mindset. I'm ready to double down, baby!
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it doesnt look like the o-line is going to get it this year and i could see a complete meltdown and eli getting benched. not sure that would be a bad thing or not but its a roller coaster ride everyweek for me watching eli check down 100 times to barkley and miss throws.

 
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