WR Odell Beckham, Jr., Free Agent (3 Viewers)

[tone1oc]

Ah......hate it when I'm right.

An overturn was always a possibility, but please save your "i'm right".. For one, we still do not know and even if it was overturned, it's not because a vast NFL conspiracy to help the NYG make the playoffs. The Giants might be eliminated before they even kick off.

If it's overturned it's because of the bat and gay slurs. IMO if they are going to suspend ODBjr they have to do the same to Norman.

I think the main reason it would be overturned is if Thrash believes the suspension is due to the one action of launching at head. From there he could cite past precedent that players are not typically suspended for 1st offense.

 

[RUSF18]

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 15m15 minutes ago
Giants P Brad Wing said bat-wielding Panther threatened Odell Beckham saying "I'll be the reason you don't play today ... And other days."

Three days to work on it and that was the best he could come up with?

 

[bleachercreacher]

The Panthers should be fined as an organization for allowing baseball bats on the field. I still think the refs deserve some sort of punishment also.

If they do that, they'd have to fine a lot of other teams. And there's nothing in the rules against it. Until now, the league just put an end to it this week. And rightfully so.

It's always been in the rules, the league sent a memo reminding teams. You can't have players walking around the opposing teams area with a baseball bat before a game. It sounds like Panther's coaches knew the bat was on the field, so fine them.

I've seen three pictures this week of other teams having a bat on the field during warmups, as well. I agree that the league should put an end to it. But they've never enforced it before, so they can't fine a team now unless they plan on going back and fining every team that ever did it previously.

This makes zero sense. Peterson got suspended for child abusers. Should the NFL have gone back and punished every child abuser? A guy was on the wrong side of the field threatening people with a baseball bat. Those actions may or may not have escalated to what happened during the game, but they have to be punished. Coaches had knowledge of the baseball bat being used, so the organization should be punished.

 

[stbugs]

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 15m15 minutes ago

Giants P Brad Wing said bat-wielding Panther threatened Odell Beckham saying "I'll be the reason you don't play today ... And other days."

Three days to work on it and that was the best he could come up with?

No kidding. Lol. Love the addition that OBJ offered to shake his hand. Which is it? He was menaced and feared for his life or he didn't think it was a big deal?

 

[JuniorNB]

The Panthers should be fined as an organization for allowing baseball bats on the field. I still think the refs deserve some sort of punishment also.

If they do that, they'd have to fine a lot of other teams. And there's nothing in the rules against it. Until now, the league just put an end to it this week. And rightfully so.

It's always been in the rules, the league sent a memo reminding teams. You can't have players walking around the opposing teams area with a baseball bat before a game. It sounds like Panther's coaches knew the bat was on the field, so fine them.

I've seen three pictures this week of other teams having a bat on the field during warmups, as well. I agree that the league should put an end to it. But they've never enforced it before, so they can't fine a team now unless they plan on going back and fining every team that ever did it previously.

This makes zero sense. Peterson got suspended for child abusers. Should the NFL have gone back and punished every child abuser? A guy was on the wrong side of the field threatening people with a baseball bat. Those actions may or may not have escalated to what happened during the game, but they have to be punished. Coaches had knowledge of the baseball bat being used, so the organization should be punished.

There is no proof of any threats. The Panthers have used that bat every game. The threats nonsense was a defense made up by Beckham and the Giants to try to get his suspension overturned. If someone picked up threats on a cell phone or other type of recording, then I agree that the organization should be fines. Remember, every player caught using steroids makes up the story that he must have taken a supplement that had an ingredient he wasn't aware of. The excvuses come hard and fast when you get caught doing something stupid.

 

[netnalp]

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 15m15 minutes ago

Giants P Brad Wing said bat-wielding Panther threatened Odell Beckham saying "I'll be the reason you don't play today ... And other days."

Three days to work on it and that was the best he could come up with?

No kidding. Lol. Love the addition that OBJ offered to shake his hand. Which is it? He was menaced and feared for his life or he didn't think it was a big deal?

The tweet got the order wrong. Odell offered to shake the Panther's hand and asked "Why aren't you playing?" Panther player responded with "I'll be the reason you don't play today ... And other days."

The Giants should sign that player off the Panther practice squad.

 

[JuniorNB]

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 15m15 minutes ago

Giants P Brad Wing said bat-wielding Panther threatened Odell Beckham saying "I'll be the reason you don't play today ... And other days."

Three days to work on it and that was the best he could come up with?

No kidding. Lol. Love the addition that OBJ offered to shake his hand. Which is it? He was menaced and feared for his life or he didn't think it was a big deal?

I heard that after offering the hand shake, Beckham saved a group of baby ducks that almost wandered into a drainage grate.

 

[Toomuchnv]

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 15m15 minutes agoGiants P Brad Wing said bat-wielding Panther threatened Odell Beckham saying "I'll be the reason you don't play today ... And other days."

Three days to work on it and that was the best he could come up with?

No kidding. Lol. Love the addition that OBJ offered to shake his hand. Which is it? He was menaced and feared for his life or he didn't think it was a big deal?

Does it really matter what was said? The video pretty clearly shows the Panthers player taunting ODBJR on the Giants side of the field with a bat in his hand. Something should be done to that player....or was the NFL waiting for him to swing it first?

 

[Cjw_55106]

In the middle of a stadium with 60,000 fans, we are supposed to believe ODB was afraid of getting assulted by another player with a bat?

 

[netnalp]

In the middle of a stadium with 60,000 fans, we are supposed to believe ODB was afraid of getting assulted by another player with a bat?

I don't think that. OBJ did have reason to believe that Panther players were looking to intentionally injure him from what was said. That would get reinforced by the dirty play of Norman right off the bat. And the Ref's did nothing at that time.

Refs should have ejected the players that crossed the 50 yard line per rule and flagged Norman for when he threw OBJ to the ground.

 

[Toomuchnv]

In the middle of a stadium with 60,000 fans, we are supposed to believe ODB was afraid of getting assulted by another player with a bat?

Whether or not a threat is believed that it could happen or not doesn't eliminate it from still being a threat.

Again, that Panthers player had no business being on the Giants side of the field, with a bat in his hand, taunting ODB.

 

[JuniorNB]

Mike Golic and Chris Carter said that there is smack talk every game where players say they're going to put each other out of the game and call each other homophobic slurs. I think it may have hit close to home for Beckham because he's heard whispers about his sexuality before and Norman really used that against him. Bottom line is, Beckham lost the mental game that day. He allowed someone to get inside his head and take him out of his game. The rest is just lame excuses.

 

[Don't Toews Me]

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 7m7 minutes ago

Brad Wing, Josh Brown, Jerome Cunningham were 3 closest Giants to pregame incident. None heard any homophobic slurs from anyone.

That's pre-game though. Between plays with Norman, Wing, Brown, and Cunningham would not know what was said. But for pre-game, those 3 say no homophobic slurs were made.

 

[Banger]

it seems pretty clear that the Panters targeted Beckham and tried to intimidate him. No place for that in the game.

 

[belljr]

What's next Rob Lowe tells us Manning is going to retire?

 

[dirtyjay]

In the middle of a stadium with 60,000 fans, we are supposed to believe ODB was afraid of getting assulted by another player with a bat?

I don't think that. OBJ did have reason to believe that Panther players were looking to intentionally injure him from what was said.

They said that "he would be the reason he wouldnt play today."

How is that not a threat? Because OBJ is supposed to laugh that off because he cant bring a bat on the field?

Well he did bring that bat on the field an dhe brought it towards OBJ and threatened him.

Suspension still wont be over turned.

 

[JuniorNB]

Yes, actually. Only somebody with a few screws loose is ok with the things you mentioned and ok with what ODB did. It takes a serious personality flaw to think those things are ok. Those are exactly the same kind of people that think beating women and children is fine, you know, if they deserve it. I am being dead serious. If you haven't beaten her up yet(if there even is a her), you will eventually, unless you get some help.

You are a sick, warped individual. Perhaps you are just trying so hard to defend a player that is on your magic football roster, that you havent fully realized what you are saying. So you keep trying to make comparisons to things like hockey, MMA, other transgressions, and previous decades thinking it is a reasonable argument.

It isn't. If you truly believe what you have typed. If you truly wish that football should be an anything goes prison rules sport, I have nothing more to say to you other than please take a long look at yourself and please understand that violence is simply not acceptable and not the answer.

You need to check yourself. The post above is waaaayyyyyy over the line. You are quite the class act.

This is a guy that said he really has no issue with fighting on the field. He then doubled down on it and said he also is ok with bodyslamming, clotheslining, leg whipping, horse collars, and ANY helmet to helmet hits.

I 100% stand behind what I said. The guy craves violence. No rational individual truly supports all of those activities. Especially in the wake of all the injuries we see week in and week out already with that stuff being illegal. Those arent video game characters out on that field. They are real people. Only a messed individual truly supports that kind of a game on sundays. Can you even imagine the carnage? Makes me sick to think about.

I gave him an out to take it back because maybe he went too far trying to justify wanting a player in his lineup and didnt realize what he was saying. He hasn't recanted.

Nothing wrong at all with loving 1970s Jack Taum football, all that stuff happened then, and I would love for it to still happen.

What you said was inappropriate and many agree. What I described was that 1970s football.

Mike Webster, Andre Waters, Dave Duerson, and Junior Seau all shot themselves because of brain damage from the good old days. And many others are still alive but suffering. That is an era gone by. You will never see it again, and rightfully so. Sorry that might affect your fantasy team this week.,

 

[Pipes]

In the middle of a stadium with 60,000 fans, we are supposed to believe ODB was afraid of getting assulted by another player with a bat?

who's saying that? The point of the bat was the Panthers started the whole mess and essentially antagonized ODB to elicit that level of a response from him. Again Odell went overboard and seems to be a hot head but he didn't react that way out of fear...he reacted out of anger. Odell needs to grow up and not react the way he did.

 

[tone1oc]

I spoke to a source w/i OBJ’s appeal 15m ago who said not only has a decision not bn made, but there was no discusn re: any homophobic slurs

https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/679743041712865280

So ATM, we know at least 3 things... There was no discussion of homophobic slurs, so that will not contribute to decision. The decision is pending, so Tynes is full of crap. And lastly, this is my 1000th post

 

[tone1oc]

Okay.. it sounds like Josina has the best inside source right now, so I'm going to post up some tweets from her account @JosinaAnderson

A source at Beckham’s hearing told me there was discussion regarding how “strange” the atmosphere surrounding the NYG-CAR game felt that day

There was also discussion about discerning "what is actually the appropriate discipline", for Odell Beckham Jr, "for his actions that day."

I’m also told by a source Odell Beckham Jr expressed a measure of accountability during the hearing. “I was proud of him,” the source added.

 

[dirtyjay]

Jeremy Fowler‏@JFowlerESPN Source: Steelers' Cody Wallace won't get suspension for hit http://es.pn/1RGMC03

 

[BobbyLayne]

Okay.. it sounds like Josina has the best inside source right now, so I'm going to post up some tweets from her account @JosinaAnderson

A source at Beckham’s hearing told me there was discussion regarding how “strange” the atmosphere surrounding the NYG-CAR game felt that day

There was also discussion about discerning "what is actually the appropriate discipline", for Odell Beckham Jr, "for his actions that day."

I’m also told by a source Odell Beckham Jr expressed a measure of accountability during the hearing. “I was proud of him,” the source added.

I'm going with DeepThroat is Zeke Sanhu here.

How many people were in that room?

I spoke to a source w/i OBJ’s appeal 15m ago who said not only has a decision not bn made, but there was no discusn re: any homophobic slurs

 

[stbugs]

In the middle of a stadium with 60,000 fans, we are supposed to believe ODB was afraid of getting assulted by another player with a bat?

who's saying that? The point of the bat was the Panthers started the whole mess and essentially antagonized ODB to elicit that level of a response from him. Again Odell went overboard and seems to be a hot head but he didn't react that way out of fear...he reacted out of anger. Odell needs to grow up and not react the way he did.

Ridiculous. You believe every spin article you read? Players taunt other players all the time. How come in those videos no other Giants seemed t care at all? We already have confirmations that no one else heard slurs. Obviously Odell is a guy you can get into his head. He way overstepped the line and he's shown that he can't handle trash talking without taking a sucker punch so to speak.ETA: have you seen those menacing videos? Sure seemed to me that only Odell flew off the handle. The practice squad guy probably acted like a tool but the bat was literally on the ground at all times and they never showed him close to Odell. Eli and the others running through ignored him. Odell had to be restrained.

 

[tone1oc]

I can just imagine how hard Schefter/Rapaport/Anderson/etc. are trying to break the scoop. Probably a beat writer version of OBJ vs Norman.

 

[Interseptopus]

In the middle of a stadium with 60,000 fans, we are supposed to believe ODB was afraid of getting assulted by another player with a bat?

who's saying that? The point of the bat was the Panthers started the whole mess and essentially antagonized ODB to elicit that level of a response from him. Again Odell went overboard and seems to be a hot head but he didn't react that way out of fear...he reacted out of anger. Odell needs to grow up and not react the way he did.

Ridiculous. You believe every spin article you read? Players taunt other players all the time. How come in those videos no other Giants seemed t care at all? We already have confirmations that no one else heard slurs. Obviously Odell is a guy you can get into his head. He way overstepped the line and he's shown that he can't handle trash talking without taking a sucker punch so to speak.ETA: have you seen those menacing videos? Sure seemed to me that only Odell flew off the handle. The practice squad guy probably acted like a tool but the bat was literally on the ground at all times and they never showed him close to Odell. Eli and the others running through ignored him. Odell had to be restrained.

The video I saw the practice squad guy had the bat in his hands and got within about 2 feet of Odell...http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14421581

You can clearly see it in his left hand. Unless kids these days refer to the hands as "the ground"... I'm not caught up on the slang. Seems to change every day

 

[belljr]

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Jeremy Fowler‏@JFowlerESPN Source: Steelers' Cody Wallace won't get suspension for hit http://es.pn/1RGMC03

It's not exactly the same

 

[tone1oc]

Based on JA's tweets, it seems to me that the appeal discussion was centered around "appropriate discipline" and specifically not about gay slurs, etc. I think that also the issue with bats and intimidation, or that kind of excuse wasn't part of OBJ's case based on insider saying he was very accountable.

To me this is going to come down to the hit, and how it is interpreted (or not) as part of a larger series of indiscretions.

 

[netnalp]

@NYPost_Schwartz

Brad Wing, on anti-gay slurs: "There may have been, there may not have been, I don’t want to say there was because I don’t remember 100%"

 

[belljr]

Wallace fined 23k

 

[MaxThreshold]

Mike Golic and Chris Carter said that there is smack talk every game where players say they're going to put each other out of the game and call each other homophobic slurs. I think it may have hit close to home for Beckham because he's heard whispers about his sexuality before and Norman really used that against him. Bottom line is, Beckham lost the mental game that day. He allowed someone to get inside his head and take him out of his game. The rest is just lame excuses.

How many of those players were holding a bat while saying it?

 

[Judge Smails]

The suspension will stand. And it should.

 

[tone1oc]

Mike Golic and Chris Carter said that there is smack talk every game where players say they're going to put each other out of the game and call each other homophobic slurs. I think it may have hit close to home for Beckham because he's heard whispers about his sexuality before and Norman really used that against him. Bottom line is, Beckham lost the mental game that day. He allowed someone to get inside his head and take him out of his game. The rest is just lame excuses.

How many of those players were holding a bat while saying it?

Dude.. give it up. It's in the Jury's hands and all signs point to this decision being about process and not speculation.

 

[JuniorNB]

Mike Golic and Chris Carter said that there is smack talk every game where players say they're going to put each other out of the game and call each other homophobic slurs. I think it may have hit close to home for Beckham because he's heard whispers about his sexuality before and Norman really used that against him. Bottom line is, Beckham lost the mental game that day. He allowed someone to get inside his head and take him out of his game. The rest is just lame excuses.

How many of those players were holding a bat while saying it?

Seven

 

[netnalp]

Mike Golic and Chris Carter said that there is smack talk every game where players say they're going to put each other out of the game and call each other homophobic slurs. I think it may have hit close to home for Beckham because he's heard whispers about his sexuality before and Norman really used that against him. Bottom line is, Beckham lost the mental game that day. He allowed someone to get inside his head and take him out of his game. The rest is just lame excuses.

How many of those players were holding a bat while saying it?

There was more than one bat on the field as well.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Mike Golic and Chris Carter said that there is smack talk every game where players say they're going to put each other out of the game and call each other homophobic slurs. I think it may have hit close to home for Beckham because he's heard whispers about his sexuality before and Norman really used that against him. Bottom line is, Beckham lost the mental game that day. He allowed someone to get inside his head and take him out of his game. The rest is just lame excuses.

How many of those players were holding a bat while saying it?

Dude.. give it up. It's in the Jury's hands and all signs point to this decision being about process and not speculation.

How about you give it up?

I was responding to a post where someone pointed out EVERYONE does it. I simply wanted to know if EVERYONE is holding a bat while they are doing it too.

 

[FUBAR]

odell_beckham_jr_doesn't want to wear a suit

 

[dirtyjay]

Did Andre Johnson ever get suspended for his beat down of Finnigan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOEH44HHtI

He only got fined for this.

 

[tone1oc]

odell_beckham_jr_doesn't want to wear a suit

OBJ is bringing back Member's Only!

How about you give it up?

I was responding to a post where someone pointed out EVERYONE does it. I simply wanted to know if EVERYONE is holding a bat while they are doing it too.

Fair enough, continue to argue semantics about bat intimidation that is really irrelevant to the case.

 

[tone1oc]

Did Andre Johnson ever get suspended for his beat down of Finnigan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOEH44HHtI

He only got fined for this.

Did Kermit Washington get suspended for punching Rudy Tomjanovich?

 

[Jed]

In the middle of a stadium with 60,000 fans, we are supposed to believe ODB was afraid of getting assulted by another player with a bat?

It's a crazy world - and crazier things have happened. WHY is this dude talking smack, approaching him with a bat on the Giants side of the field? http://lockerdome.com/athleteswag/6169978990760001/8317436197869588

Fill disclosure: I think OBJ should be suspended. But this is not one-sided.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

How about you give it up?

I was responding to a post where someone pointed out EVERYONE does it. I simply wanted to know if EVERYONE is holding a bat while they are doing it too.

Fair enough, continue to argue semantics about bat intimidation that is really irrelevant to the case.

How is it irrelevant? There is video of a practice squad player trying to intimidate OBJ pre-game, that's very much part of the case.Carolina should be fined as an organization for this

 

[belljr]

Hot take

Nhl will no longer allow players to use sticks. Too many players feel threatened when other players chirp with sticks in hand

 

[The Future Champs]

Did Andre Johnson ever get suspended for his beat down of Finnigan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOEH44HHtI

He only got fined for this.

Ridiculous comparison.

 

[MaxThreshold]

odell_beckham_jr_doesn't want to wear a suit

OBJ is bringing back Member's Only!

How about you give it up?

I was responding to a post where someone pointed out EVERYONE does it. I simply wanted to know if EVERYONE is holding a bat while they are doing it too.

Fair enough, continue to argue semantics about bat intimidation that is really irrelevant to the case.

Dude, you need to take it down a notch. Your letting your uncontrolled hate for ODB cloud your judgement.

 

[JuniorNB]

Did Andre Johnson ever get suspended for his beat down of Finnigan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOEH44HHtI

He only got fined for this.

It was a fight. Beckham wasn't suspended for his half-dozen little fights in the game. It was for his deliberate attempt to injure Norman by spearing him in the head. Why are you so confused by this?

 

[tone1oc]

How is it irrelevant? There is video of a practice squad player trying to intimidate OBJ pre-game, that's very much part of the case.Carolina should be fined as an organization for this

How is it possible for OBJ to be both very culpable and also blaming his actions on a practice squad player intimidating him with a bat? It's silly, and OBJ and his team know that a former NFL player would know full well the frequency at which trash talking goes on. It's not an excuse, as most people say.

 

[JuniorNB]

Why wasn't this 'bullying' of Beckham reported to anyone until after he realized he was about to be suspended for his actions? ODB was never once scared or intimidated of some practice squad player with a bat in front of 60,000 people. Not for a second.

 

[tone1oc]

odell_beckham_jr_doesn't want to wear a suit

OBJ is bringing back Member's Only!

How about you give it up?

I was responding to a post where someone pointed out EVERYONE does it. I simply wanted to know if EVERYONE is holding a bat while they are doing it too.

Fair enough, continue to argue semantics about bat intimidation that is really irrelevant to the case.

Dude, you need to take it down a notch. Your letting your uncontrolled hate for ODB cloud your judgement.

I'm actually posting and deriving my information from what is and has taken place with regard to the appeal, which is all that we should care about at this point. Whether you feel he should play or not.

You have been in here crying and grasping for straws for the last 3 days.

 

[dirtyjay]

Ron Jaworski ‏@jawsespn 2m

2 minutes agoNFL Films
BREAKING NEWS: Odell Beckham suspension to be OVERTURNED! (Per sources in NYC) Wow!

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Hot take

Nhl will no longer allow players to use sticks. Too many players feel threatened when other players chirp with sticks in hand

More like a luke warm take, don't quit your day job, Dane Cook.