buddhacwru
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Indianapolis Colts rookie wide receiver Phillip Dorsett fractured his left ankle Sunday and is expected to miss four to six weeks, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
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Biabreakable
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Every Phillip Dorsett Final Target NFL Highlights 2015
Thanks to the guys putting these clips together.
Some of these 'targets' are not really catchable. I see Dorset being used on crossing routes and come backs a bit more than he was in college. Not so hot on the bubble screens but the blocking is pretty bad as well.
Matt Hasselbeck is ungood at this stage of his career.
Thanks to the guys putting these clips together.
Some of these 'targets' are not really catchable. I see Dorset being used on crossing routes and come backs a bit more than he was in college. Not so hot on the bubble screens but the blocking is pretty bad as well.
Matt Hasselbeck is ungood at this stage of his career.
Not surprising from my experience in rookie drafts with leagues in which I own him. Tried to move him for a late first to an early to mid 2nd and was rejected by every owner without even a counter (so I held him).
Potentially he represents pretty good flex value in PPR leagues, although I wouldn't feel comfortable starting him until I see how he does early in the season.
saintfool
Dead sexy
yeah, this was a weird rookie draft year. last year, dorsett was a R1 pick- mid round even - so to get a crack at a player like that at a discount? crazy for folks to think he's worth less when he's done nothing to *lose* value.
kutta
Footballguy
A lot of Dorsett owners were hoping the Colts wouldn't resign TY. Since they did, there is some loss of value there.
As a Hurricanes fan who watched every down of Dorsett's college career....
I have concerns about Dorsett ever being a "very good" receiver in the NFL, much less one with a significant fantasy impact. It really is hard to explain and even understand but Dorsett is not very good with the ball in his hands. His RAC ability is not what you would expect from someone of his size and skill set. He's fast as all hell in a straight line but when he has to change direction he simply lacks quickness.
I know it sounds like nitpicking and I might even come across as crazy...but believe me when I tell you this kid is a one trick pony. He can run 9 routes with the best of them but don't expect to throw him a short pass and have him make plays. For a guy as fast as he is he doesn't accelerate very quickly.
I'm rooting for the kid but he drove me crazy all those years. The Colts would be absolutely nuts to get rid of TY at any point in the future if it comes down to a decision between he and Dorsett.
I have concerns about Dorsett ever being a "very good" receiver in the NFL, much less one with a significant fantasy impact. It really is hard to explain and even understand but Dorsett is not very good with the ball in his hands. His RAC ability is not what you would expect from someone of his size and skill set. He's fast as all hell in a straight line but when he has to change direction he simply lacks quickness.
I know it sounds like nitpicking and I might even come across as crazy...but believe me when I tell you this kid is a one trick pony. He can run 9 routes with the best of them but don't expect to throw him a short pass and have him make plays. For a guy as fast as he is he doesn't accelerate very quickly.
I'm rooting for the kid but he drove me crazy all those years. The Colts would be absolutely nuts to get rid of TY at any point in the future if it comes down to a decision between he and Dorsett.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Ace I appreciate your opinion and I think some of your criticism is fair. You do not see Dorsett making defenders miss in the open field as much as other players do. Given his physical gifts, I would be more impressed with him if I saw more examples of that as well.
Where I think your criticism is a bit unfair is saying he is a once trick pony. That just isn't true. I was watching this game of his from 2012 this morning, (when Dorsett was surely more raw than he is now) and he wins on crossing routes, on a hitch route and a curl (routes that are counters of the 9 route). He gets a dirt ball on a slant route but then brings a slant route in a couple plays later.
Some things I don't like is that he cries to the refs for a flag too often. Not just in this game, you see him doing this with the Colts a time or two as well.
He does not adjust to deep throws that are high very well. He had a couple chances to make some big plays on these, not that they are easy plays to make. He doesn't seem to time his jump when elevating for the ball well.
I did come across this article ranking Miami players all time.
Dorsett is ranked 41st overall. Duke Johnson is 39th and Lamar Miller is 36th.
While these rankings are fun, I do think the ranking is influenced somewhat by how the player has done in the NFL since leaving Miami, because otherwise I don't really see why Reggie Wayne is ranked 11th His college numbers were not all that impressive.
Dosett missed a half of his junior season due to an MCL injury. Otherwise his numbers are somewhat similar to what Wayne did for Miami.
In Waynes rookie season with the Colts he played in 13 games and had 49 targets 27 receptions 345 yards 12.8 ypc 0TD
Phillip Dorsett rookie season 11 games 39 targets 18 receptions 225 yards 12.5 ypc 1 TD
Where I think your criticism is a bit unfair is saying he is a once trick pony. That just isn't true. I was watching this game of his from 2012 this morning, (when Dorsett was surely more raw than he is now) and he wins on crossing routes, on a hitch route and a curl (routes that are counters of the 9 route). He gets a dirt ball on a slant route but then brings a slant route in a couple plays later.
Some things I don't like is that he cries to the refs for a flag too often. Not just in this game, you see him doing this with the Colts a time or two as well.
He does not adjust to deep throws that are high very well. He had a couple chances to make some big plays on these, not that they are easy plays to make. He doesn't seem to time his jump when elevating for the ball well.
I did come across this article ranking Miami players all time.
Dorsett is ranked 41st overall. Duke Johnson is 39th and Lamar Miller is 36th.
While these rankings are fun, I do think the ranking is influenced somewhat by how the player has done in the NFL since leaving Miami, because otherwise I don't really see why Reggie Wayne is ranked 11th His college numbers were not all that impressive.
Dosett missed a half of his junior season due to an MCL injury. Otherwise his numbers are somewhat similar to what Wayne did for Miami.
In Waynes rookie season with the Colts he played in 13 games and had 49 targets 27 receptions 345 yards 12.8 ypc 0TD
Phillip Dorsett rookie season 11 games 39 targets 18 receptions 225 yards 12.5 ypc 1 TD
Dan Hindery
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Moncrief made considerable progress as well. Not to mention Luck took a bit of a step back.kutta said:
I think it's definitely fair to value him less today than this time last year.
I still like him more than most of the rookies going at the end of the first and top of the 2nd round in this poor 2016 class though. He's a nice trade target if you can get him for a 2nd-rounder or equivalent value.
He's also a guy I've been targeting ~12th round of MFL10s this summer.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Really excited to see this kid healthy, in his second year - with a hungry and healthy Luck.
Colts offense is going to be fun - why haven't they signed Arian Foster yet?
Nice veteran backfield it would be with him and Gore splitting work.
Colts offense is going to be fun - why haven't they signed Arian Foster yet?
Nice veteran backfield it would be with him and Gore splitting work.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Good player and that news isn't news. 3 WR sets being the primary formation has been known for a long time. Even before they let Fleener go in free agency.
Plenty of crow will be served up to the doubters on this one.
Plenty of crow will be served up to the doubters on this one.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Could be a nice sleeper. Luck can support three wideouts. There is also nothing to indicate that Dorsett will take a back seat to Moncrief. I think it's pretty wide open. Of course that might ruin one or both of their fantasy value.
CabinFever
Footballguy
very encouraging to hear about Dorsett
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
He's got a ####ty matchup next week, but he's gonna be a good bye week option in all leagues, maybe a starter in 3 WR leagues at some point this season. That long catch he made today was really nice, looked good out there all day.
EBF
Footballguy
If they run a base 3 WR set then I think he's going to be practically interchangeable with Moncrief and Hilton in terms of FF output. He'll be streaky, but at the end of the year he has a good chance to finish as a top 20-30 WR. I'm assuming that Indy is going to be a mediocre running team and that Luck is going to light it up.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Hilton was still the undisputed target leader yesterday with 12, while Dorsett had 6 and Moncrief had 7. If the ball keeps getting spread out all over the place,Moncrief may have been overdrafted, and Dorsett underdrafted. But good luck picking who will have a big game any given week.
VaTerp
Footballguy
Time to start talking about this guy. Moncrief out 4-6 weeks and I'm guessing he's not gonna be right all year.
Colts would seem to need a bigger WR but Hilton and Dorsett will likely dominate targets in a offense that will throw the ball a lot. If they can protect Luck at all we might have a WR2 this season.
I've floated Dorsett in some trade offers as I feel good about my WR depth but he needs to be in FF lineups right now.
Colts would seem to need a bigger WR but Hilton and Dorsett will likely dominate targets in a offense that will throw the ball a lot. If they can protect Luck at all we might have a WR2 this season.
I've floated Dorsett in some trade offers as I feel good about my WR depth but he needs to be in FF lineups right now.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Contemplating starting him at a flex spot (non ppr league) over Cobb.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
From what I have seen of Dorsett thus far is he looks stronger, a bit bigger than he was as a rookie.
I saw another instance of Dorsett not timing his jump quite right to catch the ball at its highest point. He has the athleticism to do so, but his timing is still off. This was a play where he is sandwiched between two defenders and he jumps up for the ball, but just a little too late as the defenders are able to knock it out as they both hit him on the reception attempt. If he would have been just a little bit earlier with his jump, he could have caught it at a level the defense couldn't contact the ball, giving him a better chance of controlling the catch as they hit him coming back down.
He knows how to do this also, he is trying to make the play. His timing is just off a bit. I saw that on a couple of his targets as a rookie also.
If Luck can put him in a bit better situations with ball placement, Dorsett could do well.
I saw another instance of Dorsett not timing his jump quite right to catch the ball at its highest point. He has the athleticism to do so, but his timing is still off. This was a play where he is sandwiched between two defenders and he jumps up for the ball, but just a little too late as the defenders are able to knock it out as they both hit him on the reception attempt. If he would have been just a little bit earlier with his jump, he could have caught it at a level the defense couldn't contact the ball, giving him a better chance of controlling the catch as they hit him coming back down.
He knows how to do this also, he is trying to make the play. His timing is just off a bit. I saw that on a couple of his targets as a rookie also.
If Luck can put him in a bit better situations with ball placement, Dorsett could do well.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Whoah, someone in my PPR league just dropped him for Hillman 
Thinking about dropping some solid FAAB on Uncle Phil
Thinking about dropping some solid FAAB on Uncle Phil
Chaka
Footballguy
DJ did not practice with knee and ankle issues today. Could just be a veteran rest day but it's worth monitoring.
need2know
Footballguy
I think it's pushing me even more to play dorsett. Already didn't like the matchup for was and I think cousins is playing like ####. Dorsett it is
need2know
Footballguy
need2know
Footballguy
Yes. Been looking at that. Dorsett will benefit from moncriefs injury, but not this week. Back to djax. Hope he plays
Biabreakable
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Hayward who had 2 interceptions last week.
SD gave up tons of passing yards last season. They have played better in the first two games than they looked in preseason this year. Saying they are the best corners in the league seems pretty over the top to me though.
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Also given who they've played. Jags are a decent passing offense but Alex Smith isn't exactly Andrew Luck.
Also a good chance the Colts are going to be down early and often and be forced to pass. Not saying it's a plus match-up, but not as bad as it may look.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
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PFF does list SD as the 6th best trio several months ago. I didn't realize they were regarded this highly.
FWIW they have the Bill ranked as the 5th best trio and from what I saw against the Jets.. they should not be ranked this high. Washington despite the addition of Norman likely shouldn't be considered the 3rd best either.
PFF does list SD as the 6th best trio several months ago. I didn't realize they were regarded this highly.
FWIW they have the Bill ranked as the 5th best trio and from what I saw against the Jets.. they should not be ranked this high. Washington despite the addition of Norman likely shouldn't be considered the 3rd best either.
