WR Rashee Rice, KC (6 Viewers)

[Chaka]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

 

[joey]

Picking from the 7 slot in my 12 team, 1QB, 0.5 ppr league on Wednesday. I expect to leave the 1st 4 rounds with 2RBs and 2WRs (not TE-mandatory). I usually like to grab my 3rd RB in the 5th or 6th before the bottom falls out on the remaining staters. We start 3 WR/TE, but I never mind waiting to grab my 3rd WR since late picks and waiver wire always give me lots of solid 3rd WR options imho.
So maaaaaaybe I grab Rice in the 7th, after using my 6th rounder on a QB or 3rd WR (after I said all that ). If he goes before my 7th rounder, so be it.

 

[travdogg]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

 

[Chaka]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

You think he's going to finish top 30 pass catchers in total points in 11 games?

It's certainly possible but, holding him on most rosters with that in mind for six weeks of donuts should come at a bit of a discount, no? 42 may be steep but not absurd.

 

[travdogg]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

You think he's going to finish top 30 pass catchers in total points in 11 games?

It's certainly possible but, holding him on most rosters with that in mind for six weeks of donuts should come at a bit of a discount, no? 42 may be steep but not absurd.

I don't really value suspended or injured players in a "where they finish" way. I don't see the point. Its not like teams who draft Rice are starting him and taking zeros the 1st 6 games.

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

 

[Chaka]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

You think he's going to finish top 30 pass catchers in total points in 11 games?

It's certainly possible but, holding him on most rosters with that in mind for six weeks of donuts should come at a bit of a discount, no? 42 may be steep but not absurd.

I don't really value suspended or injured players in a "where they finish" way. I don't see the point. Its not like teams who draft Rice are starting him and taking zeros the 1st 6 games.

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

That's very fair, but it should also be priced in his cost. I mean, paying WR30 price for him means your using a draft spot earlier, as part of a Rashee league winner strategy, to get his streaming partner.

Or you just use end of bench, roster churn guys for six weeks.

 

[rockaction]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

You think he's going to finish top 30 pass catchers in total points in 11 games?

It's certainly possible but, holding him on most rosters with that in mind for six weeks of donuts should come at a bit of a discount, no? 42 may be steep but not absurd.

I don't really value suspended or injured players in a "where they finish" way. I don't see the point. Its not like teams who draft Rice are starting him and taking zeros the 1st 6 games.

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

This is exactly right. It’s the replacement player’s score then Rice Week 7 on. The question becomes how deep the wire and how many starting spots you have to account for.

There’s also the question how many points you’re losing between the wire and who you would have otherwise drafted. In a twelve person draft I have a hard time imagining it’s any greater than four PPG and it’s probably less. Then you can ask yourself this: how many games out of those six are going to be determined by less than four. (I’m sure I’m doing that wrong but just imagine it as a pedagogical tool.)

Probably no more than a half of a game.

This got me thinking. If nobody checks I asked ChatGPT. Pardon me.

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A question: Say I want to draft Rashee Rice and I figure out that his replacement off of the waiver wire will give me 8 points per game whereas if I drafted someone else they'd give me twelve points per game. How do I figure out (over a six game span) how many fantasy games that might cost me? Any thoughts?

ChatGPT said:​

Thought for 12s
Great question. The clean way to think about it:

1. Point gap per week: 12 − 8 = 4 points.
2. Over 6 weeks: 4 × 6 = 24 total points you’re giving up.
3. Convert points → wins. A handy approximation (assuming weekly team scores are roughly normal with weekly stdev σ\sigmaσ) is:

Expected wins lost≈0.282×(points per week gap)×(weeks) divided by weekly std. deviation, which is 25

• The 0.282 comes from the slope of the win-probability curve at a 50/50 matchup.
• In many 10–12 team PPR leagues, weekly team score stdev σ\sigmaσ is ~25 (check your league history if you want to be precise).

Plugging in your numbers:

0.282×4×625≈0.27 wins\frac{0.282 \times 4 \times 6}{25} \approx 0.27 \text{ wins}250.282×4×6≈0.27 wins

So drafting Rice (and using an 8 ppg replacement for six games) instead of the 12 ppg alternative costs you ~0.27 expected wins—about one extra loss every 3–4 seasons in that six-game window.

If your league is higher-variance (say σ=30\sigma = 30σ=30), it’s ~0.23 wins; lower-variance ( σ=20\sigma = 20σ=20 ), ~0.34 wins.

If you want, I can run a quick calc with your league’s past weekly scores to get your actual σ\sigmaσ and a tighter estimate.

 

[Chaka]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

You think he's going to finish top 30 pass catchers in total points in 11 games?

It's certainly possible but, holding him on most rosters with that in mind for six weeks of donuts should come at a bit of a discount, no? 42 may be steep but not absurd.

I don't really value suspended or injured players in a "where they finish" way. I don't see the point. Its not like teams who draft Rice are starting him and taking zeros the 1st 6 games.

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

This is exactly right. It’s the replacement player’s score then Rice Week 7 on. The question becomes how deep the wire and how many starting spots you have to account for.

There’s also the question how many points you’re losing between the wire and who you would have otherwise drafted. In a twelve person draft I have a hard time imagining it’s any greater than four PPG and it’s probably less. Then you can ask yourself this: how many games out of those six are going to be determined by less than four. (I’m sure I’m doing that wrong but just imagine it as a pedagogical tool.)

Probably no more than a half of a game.

This got me thinking. If nobody checks I asked ChatGPT. Pardon me.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

A question: Say I want to draft Rashee Rice and I figure out that his replacement off of the waiver wire will give me 8 points per game whereas if I drafted someone else they'd give me twelve points per game. How do I figure out (over a six game span) how many fantasy games that might cost me? Any thoughts?

ChatGPT said:​

Thought for 12s
Great question. The clean way to think about it:

1. Point gap per week: 12 − 8 = 4 points.
2. Over 6 weeks: 4 × 6 = 24 total points you’re giving up.
3. Convert points → wins. A handy approximation (assuming weekly team scores are roughly normal with weekly stdev σ\sigmaσ) is:

Expected wins lost≈0.282×(points per week gap)×(weeks) divided by weekly std. deviation, which is 25

• The 0.282 comes from the slope of the win-probability curve at a 50/50 matchup.
• In many 10–12 team PPR leagues, weekly team score stdev σ\sigmaσ is ~25 (check your league history if you want to be precise).

Plugging in your numbers:

0.282×4×625≈0.27 wins\frac{0.282 \times 4 \times 6}{25} \approx 0.27 \text{ wins}250.282×4×6≈0.27 wins

So drafting Rice (and using an 8 ppg replacement for six games) instead of the 12 ppg alternative costs you ~0.27 expected wins—about one extra loss every 3–4 seasons in that six-game window.

If your league is higher-variance (say σ=30\sigma = 30σ=30), it’s ~0.23 wins; lower-variance ( σ=20\sigma = 20σ=20 ), ~0.34 wins.

If you want, I can run a quick calc with your league’s past weekly scores to get your actual σ\sigmaσ and a tighter estimate.

Well, can't argue with that.

 

[LawFitz]

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

This, @Chaka. C'mon dude.

 

[rockaction]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

You think he's going to finish top 30 pass catchers in total points in 11 games?

It's certainly possible but, holding him on most rosters with that in mind for six weeks of donuts should come at a bit of a discount, no? 42 may be steep but not absurd.

I don't really value suspended or injured players in a "where they finish" way. I don't see the point. Its not like teams who draft Rice are starting him and taking zeros the 1st 6 games.

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

This is exactly right. It’s the replacement player’s score then Rice Week 7 on. The question becomes how deep the wire and how many starting spots you have to account for.

There’s also the question how many points you’re losing between the wire and who you would have otherwise drafted. In a twelve person draft I have a hard time imagining it’s any greater than four PPG and it’s probably less. Then you can ask yourself this: how many games out of those six are going to be determined by less than four. (I’m sure I’m doing that wrong but just imagine it as a pedagogical tool.)

Probably no more than a half of a game.

This got me thinking. If nobody checks I asked ChatGPT. Pardon me.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

A question: Say I want to draft Rashee Rice and I figure out that his replacement off of the waiver wire will give me 8 points per game whereas if I drafted someone else they'd give me twelve points per game. How do I figure out (over a six game span) how many fantasy games that might cost me? Any thoughts?

ChatGPT said:​

Thought for 12s
Great question. The clean way to think about it:

1. Point gap per week: 12 − 8 = 4 points.
2. Over 6 weeks: 4 × 6 = 24 total points you’re giving up.
3. Convert points → wins. A handy approximation (assuming weekly team scores are roughly normal with weekly stdev σ\sigmaσ) is:

Expected wins lost≈0.282×(points per week gap)×(weeks) divided by weekly std. deviation, which is 25

• The 0.282 comes from the slope of the win-probability curve at a 50/50 matchup.
• In many 10–12 team PPR leagues, weekly team score stdev σ\sigmaσ is ~25 (check your league history if you want to be precise).

Plugging in your numbers:

0.282×4×625≈0.27 wins\frac{0.282 \times 4 \times 6}{25} \approx 0.27 \text{ wins}250.282×4×6≈0.27 wins

So drafting Rice (and using an 8 ppg replacement for six games) instead of the 12 ppg alternative costs you ~0.27 expected wins—about one extra loss every 3–4 seasons in that six-game window.

If your league is higher-variance (say σ=30\sigma = 30σ=30), it’s ~0.23 wins; lower-variance ( σ=20\sigma = 20σ=20 ), ~0.34 wins.

If you want, I can run a quick calc with your league’s past weekly scores to get your actual σ\sigmaσ and a tighter estimate.

Well, can't argue with that.

Yeah, posting to see if we have any stat heads that can really check for accuracy. I wouldn't scrape that and take it at face value. One of those things where if somebody who knows something can look at it and verify, then you've got something. I had about a half game from a notebook calculation. I can ask it why it used that formula. Probably would be edifying to know.

 

[Chaka]

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

This, @Chaka. C'mon dude.

Did no one read the post immediately after travdogg's?

I don't think you just draft Rice assuming WR30 and backfill. I'm just saying you have to work your draft strategy around choosing him.

 

[travdogg]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

You think he's going to finish top 30 pass catchers in total points in 11 games?

It's certainly possible but, holding him on most rosters with that in mind for six weeks of donuts should come at a bit of a discount, no? 42 may be steep but not absurd.

I don't really value suspended or injured players in a "where they finish" way. I don't see the point. Its not like teams who draft Rice are starting him and taking zeros the 1st 6 games.

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

That's very fair, but it should also be priced in his cost. I mean, paying WR30 price for him means your using a draft spot earlier, as part of a Rashee league winner strategy, to get his streaming partner.

Or you just use end of bench, roster churn guys for six weeks.

I don't know that you have to really do anything special to draft around him by taking a backup earlier. I think its perfectly fine just to use a regular bench guy. I guess maybe if you take Rice, you break a tie toward more of an immediate contributor than a flier type as a bench guy. Like maybe Keenan Allen instead of Marvin Mims, or something like that. I think if Rice wasn't suspended at all, I'd have him somewhere between McConkey and Evans. 10 weeks of high-end WR2 numbers is worth 6 weeks of having a WR4 be a WR3 to me. I think the person who took Rice as the 42nd WR/TE is gonna be very happy they did.

 

[massraider]

I'm just saying you have to work your draft strategy around choosing him.

Agreed. And further, does your draft strategy with Rice harm your team in other ways?

You need to start someone for 6 weeks right off the bat. So knowing that, do you pass on an upside-swing-at-the-fences guy to take a safe guy to get you through.

Do you pass on guys like Addison/Coleman/Odunze/Golden/Mims/Burden, because you need something more solid early to hold down the fort till Rice gets back? If you do that, are you passing on another potential league winner? And if you DO draft the potential guys, your WR3, or especially your flex may be hurting, especially early on.

Once your starters are set, people draft unknowns with upside, looking for league winners. No one trying to win is building around Christian Kirk, Keenan Allen, and Adam Thielen, but maybe the Rice drafter takes someone safe with less upside, to cover those first 6 weeks (whoooops, 7 weeks, including the bye).

I'll just take Aiyuk 70 picks later.

 

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Added Rice yet again (in 3 of 4 main leagues this year). Got him in late 8th again so 2x 8th round and 1x 9th round.

LOVE the value there

 

[Chaka]

I'm just saying you have to work your draft strategy around choosing him.

Agreed. And further, does your draft strategy with Rice harm your team in other ways?

You need to start someone for 6 weeks right off the bat. So knowing that, do you pass on an upside-swing-at-the-fences guy to take a safe guy to get you through.

Do you pass on guys like Addison/Coleman/Odunze/Golden/Mims/Burden, because you need something more solid early to hold down the fort till Rice gets back? If you do that, are you passing on another potential league winner? And if you DO draft the potential guys, your WR3, or especially your flex may be hurting, especially early on.

Once your starters are set, people draft unknowns with upside, looking for league winners. No one trying to win is building around Christian Kirk, Keenan Allen, and Adam Thielen, but maybe the Rice drafter takes someone safe with less upside, to cover those first 6 weeks (whoooops, 7 weeks, including the bye).

I'll just take Aiyuk 70 picks later.

At his current ADP WR28-WR32 ish (FBG ADP) your starters are likely nowhere near set, depending on league formats of course, and you may be missing out on guys like Jameson, Pickens, Ridley, Zay, Waddle, Jeudy or other players like Pacheco, Monty, Swift, Hockenson, Mahomes, Nix.

As the 28th-32nd pass catcher off the board the price feels a little too steep for me.

Beyond who you're missing out on there is at least a sliver of a modicum of an iota of a shadow of a chance that he doesn't come back to quite the same volume that we saw to end his rookie season and prior to his injury last season. What if Worthy seizes the reins on the Tyreek role? It's unlikely Worthy will hit that big but, he could hit big enough to make Rice a 7-9 target guy instead of a 9-11 target guy.

 

[cdclopper]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

You think he's going to finish top 30 pass catchers in total points in 11 games?

It's certainly possible but, holding him on most rosters with that in mind for six weeks of donuts should come at a bit of a discount, no? 42 may be steep but not absurd.

I don't really value suspended or injured players in a "where they finish" way. I don't see the point. Its not like teams who draft Rice are starting him and taking zeros the 1st 6 games.

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

This is exactly right. It’s the replacement player’s score then Rice Week 7 on. The question becomes how deep the wire and how many starting spots you have to account for.

There’s also the question how many points you’re losing between the wire and who you would have otherwise drafted. In a twelve person draft I have a hard time imagining it’s any greater than four PPG and it’s probably less. Then you can ask yourself this: how many games out of those six are going to be determined by less than four. (I’m sure I’m doing that wrong but just imagine it as a pedagogical tool.)

Probably no more than a half of a game.

This got me thinking. If nobody checks I asked ChatGPT. Pardon me.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

A question: Say I want to draft Rashee Rice and I figure out that his replacement off of the waiver wire will give me 8 points per game whereas if I drafted someone else they'd give me twelve points per game. How do I figure out (over a six game span) how many fantasy games that might cost me? Any thoughts?

ChatGPT said:​

Thought for 12s
Great question. The clean way to think about it:

1. Point gap per week: 12 − 8 = 4 points.
2. Over 6 weeks: 4 × 6 = 24 total points you’re giving up.
3. Convert points → wins. A handy approximation (assuming weekly team scores are roughly normal with weekly stdev σ\sigmaσ) is:

Expected wins lost≈0.282×(points per week gap)×(weeks) divided by weekly std. deviation, which is 25

• The 0.282 comes from the slope of the win-probability curve at a 50/50 matchup.
• In many 10–12 team PPR leagues, weekly team score stdev σ\sigmaσ is ~25 (check your league history if you want to be precise).

Plugging in your numbers:

0.282×4×625≈0.27 wins\frac{0.282 \times 4 \times 6}{25} \approx 0.27 \text{ wins}250.282×4×6≈0.27 wins

So drafting Rice (and using an 8 ppg replacement for six games) instead of the 12 ppg alternative costs you ~0.27 expected wins—about one extra loss every 3–4 seasons in that six-game window.

If your league is higher-variance (say σ=30\sigma = 30σ=30), it’s ~0.23 wins; lower-variance ( σ=20\sigma = 20σ=20 ), ~0.34 wins.

If you want, I can run a quick calc with your league’s past weekly scores to get your actual σ\sigmaσ and a tighter estimate.

Well, can't argue with that.

Yeah, posting to see if we have any stat heads that can really check for accuracy. I wouldn't scrape that and take it at face value. One of those things where if somebody who knows something can look at it and verify, then you've got something. I had about a half game from a notebook calculation. I can ask it why it used that formula. Probably would be edifying to know.

That one chatgpt thing you posted is only calculating how man wins youre giving up by replacing Rice in the 1st six weeks. Its not figuring for how many you gain by getting rice for weeks 7-18.

 

[LawFitz]

Its not figuring for how many you gain by getting rice for weeks 7-18.

These discussions often seem to miss (or at least forget) that this is not a 17-week game. It's a three-week game between weeks 15-17. Question is can you get into that real game while drafting Rice. Because if you can, having him for that true game during the playoffs (assuming he is actually healthy) would be a huge advantage for those drafting him as their WR3/4, considering that since the second half of his rookie season, he's been a mid-low fantasy WR1.

 

[FarFromHome]

It's a three-week game between weeks 15-17.

This 1000%. If you haven't already looked at those playoff weeks your not as committed as me. Ha ha

 

[Chaka]

Its not figuring for how many you gain by getting rice for weeks 7-18.

These discussions often seem to miss (or at least forget) that this is not a 17-week game. It's a three-week game between weeks 15-17. Question is can you get into that real game while drafting Rice. Because if you can, having him for that true game during the playoffs (assuming he is actually healthy) would be a huge advantage for those drafting him as their WR3/4, considering that since the second half of his rookie season, he's been a mid-low fantasy WR1.

So, nine games over the last 20+ months.

 

[LawFitz]

Its not figuring for how many you gain by getting rice for weeks 7-18.

These discussions often seem to miss (or at least forget) that this is not a 17-week game. It's a three-week game between weeks 15-17. Question is can you get into that real game while drafting Rice. Because if you can, having him for that true game during the playoffs (assuming he is actually healthy) would be a huge advantage for those drafting him as their WR3/4, considering that since the second half of his rookie season, he's been a mid-low fantasy WR1.

So, nine games over the last 20+ months.

Now you are just being irrationally obtuse to try to score points. FACT: since midway through this rookie year when he broke out, Rice has been a consistent WR1 - a run that ended only due to his current injury. And no, that was not just nine games.

I'll accept the argument that his body may not be sound upon return - info seems to be ping ponging on that front. But the rest of your logic for devaluing Rice to the degree you are doesn't hold water against proper context and scrutiny.

 

[Chaka]

Its not figuring for how many you gain by getting rice for weeks 7-18.

These discussions often seem to miss (or at least forget) that this is not a 17-week game. It's a three-week game between weeks 15-17. Question is can you get into that real game while drafting Rice. Because if you can, having him for that true game during the playoffs (assuming he is actually healthy) would be a huge advantage for those drafting him as their WR3/4, considering that since the second half of his rookie season, he's been a mid-low fantasy WR1.

So, nine games over the last 20+ months.

Now you are just being irrationally obtuse to try to score points. FACT: since midway through this rookie year when he broke out, Rice has been a consistent WR1 - a run that ended only due to his current injury. And no, that was not just nine games.

I'll accept the argument that his body may not be sound upon return - info seems to be ping ponging on that front. But the rest of your logic for devaluing Rice to the degree you are doesn't hold water against proper context and scrutiny.

Was it not nine games? Okay, 13 with playoffs.

The rationale for not taking him as the ~30th WR off the board is absolutely sound. It comes with a lot more risk than the guys your passing on, and that's on top of questions about health and his role when he returns.

To assume he will see the same volume of targets up on his return suggests Xavier Worthy will not improve on his rookie year, Kelce won't have some kind of rebound, Marquis Brown will continue not to contribute etc.

I think he's a probably a #1 WR ish when he comes back but back half at best and possibly mid WR2 depending on the rest of the offense.

Nothing obtuse about it, my friend.

 

[LawFitz]

Was it not nine games? Okay, 13 with playoffs.

He began starting games week 7 of his rookie year. Since that time, he has played 17 games, including playoffs, until his injury last year. In those 17 games, here are his stats:

136 targets
108 receptions
1243 yards (11.5 YPC)
8 TDs

Avg Per Game: 8 tgts / 6.4 rec / 73 yds / 0.47 TDs

Now let's also look at his per game averages the three games prior to getting hurt in his SECOND year in the NFL to see how much he may have leveled up after his rookie season...

Avg Per Game: 9.7 tgts / 8 rec / 96 yds / 0.7 TDs

All of the above should be tempered, perhaps signficantly, if Rice isn't healthy. To some degree as well if you are upgrading Worthy/Kelce, but that latter point I think is more likely to be offset by Mahomes returning to elite statical status. So for me, it really comes down to Rice's health. If Dr. Chao is onto something, that makes me more nervous than anything else about drafting Rice early.

 

[Chaka]

Was it not nine games? Okay, 13 with playoffs.

He began starting games week 7 of his rookie year. Since that time, he has played 17 games, including playoffs, until his injury last year. In those 17 games, here are his stats:

136 targets
108 receptions
1243 yards (11.5 YPC)
8 TDs

Avg Per Game: 8 tgts / 6.4 rec / 73 yds / 0.47 TDs

Now let's also look at his per game averages the three games prior to getting hurt in his SECOND year in the NFL to see how much he may have leveled up after his rookie season...

Avg Per Game: 9.7 tgts / 8 rec / 96 yds / 0.7 TDs

All of the above should be tempered, perhaps signficantly, if Rice isn't healthy. To some degree as well if you are upgrading Worthy/Kelce, but that latter point I think is more likely to be offset by Mahomes returning to elite statical status. So for me, it really comes down to Rice's health. If Dr. Chao is onto something, that makes me more nervous than anything else about drafting Rice early.

I get that. I honestly thought I was being generous starting with Week 12 against the Raiders because that put him on a 1,500+ yard, 12+ TD pace.

Those first three starts, that I excluded, he had 13 targets. Not sure why he didn't start against Phili, but that was a 5 target game. After that he was a consistent 10 target WR, which is why I used that as my cutoff.

Why you sellin' him short, bruv?

 

[LawFitz]

Why you sellin' him short, bruv?

Trying to be fair/realistic about his potential production. I did include his three-game Yr 2 sample to project upside. That sample extrapolates to the following across 17 games, BTW...

165 tgts / 136 rec / 1632 yds / 12 TDs

 

[Chaka]

Sorry to break this to everyone but, Xavier Worthy is the clear #1 WR in KC

FIGHT ME!!!

 

[rockaction]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

You think he's going to finish top 30 pass catchers in total points in 11 games?

It's certainly possible but, holding him on most rosters with that in mind for six weeks of donuts should come at a bit of a discount, no? 42 may be steep but not absurd.

I don't really value suspended or injured players in a "where they finish" way. I don't see the point. Its not like teams who draft Rice are starting him and taking zeros the 1st 6 games.

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

This is exactly right. It’s the replacement player’s score then Rice Week 7 on. The question becomes how deep the wire and how many starting spots you have to account for.

There’s also the question how many points you’re losing between the wire and who you would have otherwise drafted. In a twelve person draft I have a hard time imagining it’s any greater than four PPG and it’s probably less. Then you can ask yourself this: how many games out of those six are going to be determined by less than four. (I’m sure I’m doing that wrong but just imagine it as a pedagogical tool.)

Probably no more than a half of a game.

This got me thinking. If nobody checks I asked ChatGPT. Pardon me.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

A question: Say I want to draft Rashee Rice and I figure out that his replacement off of the waiver wire will give me 8 points per game whereas if I drafted someone else they'd give me twelve points per game. How do I figure out (over a six game span) how many fantasy games that might cost me? Any thoughts?

ChatGPT said:​

Thought for 12s
Great question. The clean way to think about it:

1. Point gap per week: 12 − 8 = 4 points.
2. Over 6 weeks: 4 × 6 = 24 total points you’re giving up.
3. Convert points → wins. A handy approximation (assuming weekly team scores are roughly normal with weekly stdev σ\sigmaσ) is:

Expected wins lost≈0.282×(points per week gap)×(weeks) divided by weekly std. deviation, which is 25

• The 0.282 comes from the slope of the win-probability curve at a 50/50 matchup.
• In many 10–12 team PPR leagues, weekly team score stdev σ\sigmaσ is ~25 (check your league history if you want to be precise).

Plugging in your numbers:

0.282×4×625≈0.27 wins\frac{0.282 \times 4 \times 6}{25} \approx 0.27 \text{ wins}250.282×4×6≈0.27 wins

So drafting Rice (and using an 8 ppg replacement for six games) instead of the 12 ppg alternative costs you ~0.27 expected wins—about one extra loss every 3–4 seasons in that six-game window.

If your league is higher-variance (say σ=30\sigma = 30σ=30), it’s ~0.23 wins; lower-variance ( σ=20\sigma = 20σ=20 ), ~0.34 wins.

If you want, I can run a quick calc with your league’s past weekly scores to get your actual σ\sigmaσ and a tighter estimate.

Well, can't argue with that.

Yeah, posting to see if we have any stat heads that can really check for accuracy. I wouldn't scrape that and take it at face value. One of those things where if somebody who knows something can look at it and verify, then you've got something. I had about a half game from a notebook calculation. I can ask it why it used that formula. Probably would be edifying to know.

That one chatgpt thing you posted is only calculating how man wins youre giving up by replacing Rice in the 1st six weeks. Its not figuring for how many you gain by getting rice for weeks 7-18.

Yes, I know. It was simply for information purposes and not argument purposes. I was calculating how many games you're losing. It's a small number. I thought it would benefit those arguing to draft Rice when I saw it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'll just take Aiyuk 70 picks later.

Otherwise agree with your post, but I have significant concerns about what Aiyuk is going to be able to do this year. An already low-volume WR in a more crowded receiving corps coming off a significant knee — also likely out 4+ weeks?

I’ll take the upside with Rice who I’ve seen running and cutting.

Do you pass on guys like Addison/Coleman/Odunze/Golden/Mims/Burden, because you need something more solid early to hold down the fort till Rice gets back?

That’s the crux. Nailed it. I even put Addison a little lower than the others here other than Burdon. Maybe Coleman. You know he’s healthy but he’s missing 3.

That said, since the suspension news I’ve drafted Addison 3x at a discount & Rice 0 times because he keeps going in the 6th / 7th. Too rich for my blood.

 

[Tau837]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

You think he's going to finish top 30 pass catchers in total points in 11 games?

It's certainly possible but, holding him on most rosters with that in mind for six weeks of donuts should come at a bit of a discount, no? 42 may be steep but not absurd.

I don't really value suspended or injured players in a "where they finish" way. I don't see the point. Its not like teams who draft Rice are starting him and taking zeros the 1st 6 games.

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

That's very fair, but it should also be priced in his cost. I mean, paying WR30 price for him means your using a draft spot earlier, as part of a Rashee league winner strategy, to get his streaming partner.

Or you just use end of bench, roster churn guys for six weeks.

I don't know that you have to really do anything special to draft around him by taking a backup earlier. I think its perfectly fine just to use a regular bench guy. I guess maybe if you take Rice, you break a tie toward more of an immediate contributor than a flier type as a bench guy. Like maybe Keenan Allen instead of Marvin Mims, or something like that. I think if Rice wasn't suspended at all, I'd have him somewhere between McConkey and Evans. 10 weeks of high-end WR2 numbers is worth 6 weeks of having a WR4 be a WR3 to me. I think the person who took Rice as the 42nd WR/TE is gonna be very happy they did.

I drafted Rice at WR42 in a 10 team PPR draft today. I also drafted Godwin at WR53.

I have to commit to using 2 of these 4 players (or waivers) at flex in my starting lineups while Rice and Godwin are out (ignoring byes/injuries which could make holding both more difficult): RB Dobbins, RB White, WR Odunze, WR Deebo. Dobbins could be an example of a player who is more of an immediate contributor than long term contributor, and he will probably be in my lineup every week for the first 6 weeks if healthy.

When Rice gets back, I feel like I will be upgrading one of those spots to a top 20 WR. Could be similar with Godwin, but he is older, so I'll have to see how it goes with him.

 

[menobrown]

I'll just take Aiyuk 70 picks later.

Otherwise agree with your post, but I have significant concerns about what Aiyuk is going to be able to do this year.

Agree and I'd add that over the last few years I'd label my success rate on discounted suspended players very high and my success rate on discounted injured players really low.

But....

Do you pass on guys like Addison/Coleman/Odunze/Golden/Mims/Burden, because you need something more solid early to hold down the fort till Rice gets back?

That’s the crux. Nailed it. I even put Addison a little lower than the others here other than Burdon. Maybe Coleman. You know he’s healthy but he’s missing 3.

That said, since the suspension news I’ve drafted Addison 3x at a discount & Rice 0 times because he keeps going in the 6th / 7th. Too rich for my blood.

I may be lower on those player but I won't get to a point considering them DND or passing. At a point I'll draft them on team with Rice and have been doing so.

In the last two days alone I've done a Rice/Burden/Aiyuk/Likely and a slightly less degree of difficulty Rice/Burden/Likely. Mix in a few RB's and rookie's I don't trust to put in a lineup and it's a lot of dead roster space.

IMO it's a challenge and I think adds to high degree to team variance. As in I could see my teams being god awful or dangerous. How much I'd be wiling to take this challenges of working around players you can't count on week one depends on roster size, lineup/scoring and how cheap the other players are. Aiyuk for instance has been more in the 110-120 range cheaper when I took a shot on him AFTER taking Rice. Other then Rice and Burden once these are teen round picks.

 

[travdogg]

We combine WR & TE, Rashee was the 42nd pass catchers off the board.

That's wild to me. Even with the suspension I'd think he should still be top-30.

You think he's going to finish top 30 pass catchers in total points in 11 games?

It's certainly possible but, holding him on most rosters with that in mind for six weeks of donuts should come at a bit of a discount, no? 42 may be steep but not absurd.

I don't really value suspended or injured players in a "where they finish" way. I don't see the point. Its not like teams who draft Rice are starting him and taking zeros the 1st 6 games.

I see it more as, Rice + bench WR you start for 6 weeks, will easily be a top-30 WR.

That's very fair, but it should also be priced in his cost. I mean, paying WR30 price for him means your using a draft spot earlier, as part of a Rashee league winner strategy, to get his streaming partner.

Or you just use end of bench, roster churn guys for six weeks.

I don't know that you have to really do anything special to draft around him by taking a backup earlier. I think its perfectly fine just to use a regular bench guy. I guess maybe if you take Rice, you break a tie toward more of an immediate contributor than a flier type as a bench guy. Like maybe Keenan Allen instead of Marvin Mims, or something like that. I think if Rice wasn't suspended at all, I'd have him somewhere between McConkey and Evans. 10 weeks of high-end WR2 numbers is worth 6 weeks of having a WR4 be a WR3 to me. I think the person who took Rice as the 42nd WR/TE is gonna be very happy they did.

I drafted Rice at WR42 in a 10 team PPR draft today. I also drafted Godwin at WR53. I have to commit to using 2 of these 4 players (or waivers) at flex in my starting lineups while Rice and Godwin are out (ignoring byes/injuries which could make holding both more difficult): RB Dobbins, RB White, WR Odunze, WR Deebo. Dobbins could be an example of a player who is more of an immediate contributor than long term contributor, and he will probably be in my lineup every week for the first 6 weeks if healthy. When Rice gets back, I feel like I will be upgrading one of those spots to a top 20 WR. Could be similar with Godwin, but he is older, so I'll have to see how it goes with him.

I think you'll be fine with that depth. Man, Rice is such a steal that late. I'm a lot more meh on Godwin, to be honest I think the Dobbins/Deebo, and maybe Odunze group, might be better than Godwin, even when he gets back. I think you got Godwin right about where he should go.

 

[travdogg]

Sorry to break this to everyone but, Xavier Worthy is the clear #1 WR in KC

FIGHT ME!!!

I think there is a lot higher chance than people think (like 50%) that we get a return of 4500+ yard, 40 TD Mahomes. I like both Worthy and Rice at ADP, and REALLY like Kelce. I think the overrated person in that offense is Pacheco.

 

[LawFitz]

Sorry to break this to everyone but, Xavier Worthy is the clear #1 WR in KC

FIGHT ME!!!

I think there is a lot higher chance than people think (like 50%) that we get a return of 4500+ yard, 40 TD Mahomes. I like both Worthy and Rice at ADP, and REALLY like Kelce. I think the overrated person in that offense is Pacheco.

Could not agree more with every word of this post. Very well thought and said. Angry Chiefs could easily be a thing this year IMO.

 

[joey]

Got Rice for $4 ($200 budget) tonight in my only auction redraft league. Too good to pass up. Unfortunately, Yahoo won’t let me stash a suspended player on IR, so I’ll just have to burn the roster spot. Worth it.

 

[MAC_32]

These discussions often seem to miss (or at least forget) that this is not a 17-week game. It's a three-week game between weeks 15-17.

In many formats, drafting Rice increases your chances of needing 3 games weeks 15-17 vs just 2. In this new information age I've long since moved past trying to redraft for December - I try to draft the best team now and give myself the best chance to needing just 2 games instead of 3. A by-product of that is I can get in front of others plotting out December during the season because no matter the roster your plan come October isn't the same as where you started.

That said, there's a point in the draft when I think Rice fits, it's just not where he normally goes. He went 52 and 87 in mine, which seem to represent the extremes. Obviously he never crossed my mind in the former. He finally reached my queue in the latter though. Just not the top of it and going through the rest of it confirmed why. Next time around I was looking at Shakir, Downs, and Mooney. If I picked Rice then I'm boxed into picking one of them and starting them for 6 weeks. I already have one bye to fill (DJ Moore) so I'm pulling another from deeper than them. And 2 of those guys have byes before Rice returns, so I'm going even deeper to cover for them. Succinctly, my team is at an instant disadvantage for half the regular season.

Instead of doing all that I have Picky Pearsall in my lineup, staggered bye weeks for my WR's, and could focus on RB depth (Ekeler and Harrs) with my next picks. I'm much more comfortable with this scenario.

 

[Instinctive]

These discussions often seem to miss (or at least forget) that this is not a 17-week game. It's a three-week game between weeks 15-17.

In many formats, drafting Rice increases your chances of needing 3 games weeks 15-17 vs just 2. In this new information age I've long since moved past trying to redraft for December - I try to draft the best team now and give myself the best chance to needing just 2 games instead of 3. A by-product of that is I can get in front of others plotting out December during the season because no matter the roster your plan come October isn't the same as where you started.

That said, there's a point in the draft when I think Rice fits, it's just not where he normally goes. He went 52 and 87 in mine, which seem to represent the extremes. Obviously he never crossed my mind in the former. He finally reached my queue in the latter though. Just not the top of it and going through the rest of it confirmed why. Next time around I was looking at Shakir, Downs, and Mooney. If I picked Rice then I'm boxed into picking one of them and starting them for 6 weeks. I already have one bye to fill (DJ Moore) so I'm pulling another from deeper than them. And 2 of those guys have byes before Rice returns, so I'm going even deeper to cover for them. Succinctly, my team is at an instant disadvantage for half the regular season.

Instead of doing all that I have Picky Pearsall in my lineup, staggered bye weeks for my WR's, and could focus on RB depth (Ekeler and Harrs) with my next picks. I'm much more comfortable with this scenario.

I similarly was basically willing and excited to take him around pick 70. My pick 60-ish was bookmarked for Pearsall in every draft from August on, and it was tough to consistently see Rice go that early. I love a suspension discount but don't think his was big enough. Think he was basically an injury discount with a minor suspension one but we went between 40-60 in basically every league I did.

 

[fightingillini]

I took Rice in the 12th round in my 10 team superflex as WR39. Easy roll of the dice at that spot. I have 4 WRs and 3 RBs ahead of Rice that I can fill in RB/WR/flex spots while waiting for Week 7. Sure, it isn't a slam dunk. Worthy could take the next step, Rice may not be 100% healthy the whole year. But Rice could be a WR2 from week 7 on .

 

[Hartliner]

Got him in the 7th Round of both leagues. One was a keeper. I'm thinking he is a WR1 upon return.

 

[menobrown]

That said, there's a point in the draft when I think Rice fits

I've drafted him in the mid to late 6th round of 3 drafts in the past week.

Here is generally the best players per ADP when I've taken him:

QB-Everyone after the Big 5

RB-David Montgomery, Aaron Jones

TE(It's 1.5 TEP: Warren and Njoku were gone in 2 of the 3 drafats I took Rice, Engram was available in all 3.

For me that's a no QB zone and I find the upside on the RB's lacking. So then it's between a TE or WR. I've been choosing Rice over say Engram and the top WR left which by ADP is usually someone like Jeudy, Golden or Rome. I like these WR's well enough but I'm taking Rice over them.

I passed Rice for Ridley in one draft when he was left and Rice went with the next pick. I would pass him for Ricky Pearsall every single time. This is usually my line of demarcation for WR's I'd take over him, at least the group that realistcally can be available.

Had my toughest call last night on Waddle vs Rice. That's one where my team build up to that point helped me decide. I'd say first of all in a BB format I'd take Waddle but this set a lineup stuff and while I think Waddle is poised for a rebound season I still think his week to week consisetency could be lacking and that's what I view as a major plus of Rice. But I'd have still taken Waddle over Rice if my team up to that point had players in the week 5/6 bye or the worst combo which is players with a 5/6 bye and week 10 byes. None of those applied, my previous 5 picks and who I thought I'd get in round 7 all had bye weeks after Rice returned so I took him.

So this is usually where my thought process and point of the draft I'll take him starts lining up and it's been in the 67-72 range of players every single time.

I am not unique, this is all pretty much on par with his ADP, it's just a matter of if I want to be the guy taking the plunge or if someone else will be. He has gone in the late 6th to me or somene else in every single draft I've done since his suspension was announced.

 

[Chaka]

I took Rice in the 12th round in my 10 team superflex as WR39. Easy roll of the dice at that spot. I have 4 WRs and 3 RBs ahead of Rice that I can fill in RB/WR/flex spots while waiting for Week 7. Sure, it isn't a slam dunk. Worthy could take the next step, Rice may not be 100% healthy the whole year. But Rice could be a WR2 from week 7 on .

This is great if you can make it happen. I was able to do it in my home league as my WR5, last Saturday, but it's a hard ask in a lot of leagues. People see him as a mid season league winner and plenty of people move on him a little early. Then there are those who drafted him before the suspension dropped as their WR2 or WR3 (likely hoping for a 2-3 game suspension), those drafters are in a bigger bind than most others.

I'm not going to bother to look but I d wonder how his ADP changed after the suspension dropped.

 

[TartanLion]

Got to love your oldest re-draft hometown league. The resident fool outright dropped Rice today and I’ve picked him up. Standard league where I ended up going RB-RB-WR-RB

Dak
Barkley
Jacobs
Evans
Pickens
Kraft
Walker III
Kicker
D

Rice will hopefully slide in real nice come the back half of the season

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

BB drafts yesterday & today, my last 2 drafts of the year. These were $150 NFFC drafts, which usually attract sharp managers. Usually. Yesterday Rice went 7.10. Today he went 7.07. Madness. Also no discount for me on Addison either - he went 7.10 today.

Much as I love his potential, especially in a BB format, there are just too many good players in that range. That's when a lot of QB1s are going, TE1s galore beyond the top 4-5, and the last few tiers of viable RB.

I get the attraction, but the team that drafted Rice today took him as their WR4. and 2 of their first 3 had the same BYE. They followed that up with Godwin 2 rounds later as their WR5, so week 5, they 100% will need one of Doubs, Horton, or Lockett to bust out - the last 3 WRs on their team behind DKM, Tee, Evans, and Golden. I'm all for taking the gamble, but you gotta be smarter about BYE weeks if you're going to play with fire like that.

Also just to brag a little, I got soooooo lucky from 1.10 with Jeanty ~> ARSB 1.10/2.03

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Got to love your oldest re-draft hometown league. The resident fool outright dropped Rice today and I’ve picked him up. Standard league where I ended up going RB-RB-WR-RB

Dak
Barkley
Jacobs
Evans
Pickens
Kraft
Walker III
Kicker
D

Rice will hopefully slide in real nice come the back half of the season

I never get this lucky. "Dear FBG forums, you'll never believe what happened to me today..."

 

[fightingillini]

I took Rice in the 12th round in my 10 team superflex as WR39. Easy roll of the dice at that spot. I have 4 WRs and 3 RBs ahead of Rice that I can fill in RB/WR/flex spots while waiting for Week 7. Sure, it isn't a slam dunk. Worthy could take the next step, Rice may not be 100% healthy the whole year. But Rice could be a WR2 from week 7 on .

This is great if you can make it happen. I was able to do it in my home league as my WR5, last Saturday, but it's a hard ask in a lot of leagues. People see him as a mid season league winner and plenty of people move on him a little early. Then there are those who drafted him before the suspension dropped as their WR2 or WR3 (likely hoping for a 2-3 game suspension), those drafters are in a bigger bind than most others.

I'm not going to bother to look but I d wonder how his ADP changed after the suspension dropped.

I understand my league is different. Superflex and 10 teams make a big difference. If I had to decide between Rice and WR30 in my draft (which was Pearsall), that would make the decision a lot more challenging.

 

[Chaka]

I took Rice in the 12th round in my 10 team superflex as WR39. Easy roll of the dice at that spot. I have 4 WRs and 3 RBs ahead of Rice that I can fill in RB/WR/flex spots while waiting for Week 7. Sure, it isn't a slam dunk. Worthy could take the next step, Rice may not be 100% healthy the whole year. But Rice could be a WR2 from week 7 on .

This is great if you can make it happen. I was able to do it in my home league as my WR5, last Saturday, but it's a hard ask in a lot of leagues. People see him as a mid season league winner and plenty of people move on him a little early. Then there are those who drafted him before the suspension dropped as their WR2 or WR3 (likely hoping for a 2-3 game suspension), those drafters are in a bigger bind than most others.

I'm not going to bother to look but I d wonder how his ADP changed after the suspension dropped.

I understand my league is different. Superflex and 10 teams make a big difference. If I had to decide between Rice and WR30 in my draft (which was Pearsall), that would make the decision a lot more challenging.

In my 10 team SF league I took him as the 42nd pass catcher (we combine TE w/WR) and my WR 5. The guys I passed on to take Rice were Jeudy, Waddle, Olave & Pearsall. I don't regret missing on those guys because I think I'm set at the position but I did pass on a 3rd QB (Geno & Bryce were the two I was looking at) which, in SF format is a risk.

 

[rockaction]

I took Rice in the 12th round in my 10 team superflex as WR39. Easy roll of the dice at that spot. I have 4 WRs and 3 RBs ahead of Rice that I can fill in RB/WR/flex spots while waiting for Week 7. Sure, it isn't a slam dunk. Worthy could take the next step, Rice may not be 100% healthy the whole year. But Rice could be a WR2 from week 7 on .

This is great if you can make it happen. I was able to do it in my home league as my WR5, last Saturday, but it's a hard ask in a lot of leagues. People see him as a mid season league winner and plenty of people move on him a little early. Then there are those who drafted him before the suspension dropped as their WR2 or WR3 (likely hoping for a 2-3 game suspension), those drafters are in a bigger bind than most others.

I'm not going to bother to look but I d wonder how his ADP changed after the suspension dropped.

I understand my league is different. Superflex and 10 teams make a big difference. If I had to decide between Rice and WR30 in my draft (which was Pearsall), that would make the decision a lot more challenging.

In my 10 team SF league I took him as the 42nd pass catcher (we combine TE w/WR) and my WR 5. The guys I passed on to take Rice were Jeudy, Waddle, Olave & Pearsall. I don't regret missing on those guys because I think I'm set at the position but I did pass on a 3rd QB (Geno & Bryce were the two I was looking at) which, in SF format is a risk.

I don't want to criticize you, but I'm taking Pearsall at 42 and hoping Rice drops. If it's superflex I might take Geno depending on how many QBs are left. I know that if it's not SF that Pearsall is actually an easy choice for me.

 

[Chaka]

I took Rice in the 12th round in my 10 team superflex as WR39. Easy roll of the dice at that spot. I have 4 WRs and 3 RBs ahead of Rice that I can fill in RB/WR/flex spots while waiting for Week 7. Sure, it isn't a slam dunk. Worthy could take the next step, Rice may not be 100% healthy the whole year. But Rice could be a WR2 from week 7 on .

This is great if you can make it happen. I was able to do it in my home league as my WR5, last Saturday, but it's a hard ask in a lot of leagues. People see him as a mid season league winner and plenty of people move on him a little early. Then there are those who drafted him before the suspension dropped as their WR2 or WR3 (likely hoping for a 2-3 game suspension), those drafters are in a bigger bind than most others.

I'm not going to bother to look but I d wonder how his ADP changed after the suspension dropped.

I understand my league is different. Superflex and 10 teams make a big difference. If I had to decide between Rice and WR30 in my draft (which was Pearsall), that would make the decision a lot more challenging.

In my 10 team SF league I took him as the 42nd pass catcher (we combine TE w/WR) and my WR 5. The guys I passed on to take Rice were Jeudy, Waddle, Olave & Pearsall. I don't regret missing on those guys because I think I'm set at the position but I did pass on a 3rd QB (Geno & Bryce were the two I was looking at) which, in SF format is a risk.

I don't want to criticize you, but I'm taking Pearsall at 42 and hoping Rice drops. If it's superflex I might take Geno depending on how many QBs are left. I know that if it's not SF that Pearsall is actually an easy choice for me.

Nothing wrong with Pearsall over Rice in this circumstance, with a six game suspension.

For my situation, I had four WRs already so, if things go right, which they never do, I'm picking a bench player in that spot (WR5/QB3). ,

IMO when both are playing Rice>Pearsall pretty clearly, IMO.

SoI was choosing either a guy to stay on my bench unless something, or a couple things go wrong actually (he would be a flex play regardless) or a guy who will have a lot of value as a top 12 WR, at least by perception, in my lineup or on the trade market.

Rice was a no brainer for me.

But, I was hoping Pearsall would make it back to me in the following round. He was taken two picks in front of me.

 

[N Zone]

Players to cover Rice's first 6 weeks:
Xavier Worthy (although he can be too pricey)
J Jennings (SF) with Aiyuk out
R Pearsal (SF) with Aiyuk out

I drafted Rice and Jennings as my WR 4. We start 4 to 5 WRs. I'll be using a running back at Flex spot as my 3rd RB instead of starting a 5th WR. I also have Josh Downs on the bench and Travis Hunter in IDP who could be used as a WR of course too.

 

[joey]

Players to cover Rice's first 6 weeks:
Xavier Worthy (although he can be too pricey)
J Jennings (SF) with Aiyuk out
R Pearsal (SF) with Aiyuk out

I drafted Rice and Jennings as my WR 4. We start 4 to 5 WRs. I'll be using a running back at Flex spot as my 3rd RB instead of starting a 5th WR. I also have Josh Downs on the bench and Travis Hunter in IDP who could be used as a WR of course too.

Same for me in the auction draft I mentioned above. Grabbed Rice for $4 and grabbed Pearsall (as my WR3, behind Nacua and Sutton) for just $3 later in the auction (only have to start 2 WRs and I’m putting Connor RB in my Flex for now.

Houshmazilli!