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WR Rashid Shaheed, SEA (2 Viewers)

I like Shaheed but I just cannot get excited about the Saints, Dennis Allen makes me sick

8-28 when he was with the Raiders
16-18 in two seasons since Payton left the Saints

However you want to phrase it, he's just holding the line until they make a big splash with a new head coach.
Allen likely won't be there in 2025, I don't think he should be there now. How hard was the NFC South the last 2 seasons?
 
barackdhouse said:
Again, I don't understand. What's his big weaknesses that the market is fading??
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I can only speak to his low ADP at nfl.com. Part of it you already know, much of his production was in the return game, which most leagues don't score. However, the far greater factor at nfl.com is that his fantasy points for 2023 are listed as being zero. Meaning, when constructing your pre-draft rankings, if you don't go .. 300 or more players deep, you're not going to find him. Again, this is just one site, but I had to go way to the back, players I hadn't even heard of, bring him up & save him to my rankings.

Shaheed has been elevated to featured WR, the starter opposite Olave. My understanding is that he's no longer their primary return specialist. But he was electric in that role, so there's a chance there could be some exceptions. To fellow league managers who may be considering adding production from the return game, for DEF/ST it's a considerable bump & with this new rule, a position team managers would take more seriously. For perspective, according to nfl.com, in standard scoring the Ravens were the #1 unit last year with 174pts. In my leagues we had 26 DEF/ST units that scored at least 200pts. Now, not every kick is going to be returned, but definitely more than before.

I also agree meno, there are other interesting WRs back there with Shaheed. For me, it's Jahan Dotson. I think it was his note @fantasypros.com that said he was utilized differently his rookie year than this past year & he's excited about his role in Kliff Kingsbury's offense. Rashod Bateman, I know, not him again. But he's healthy & had himself a great offseason & is making plays in camp. The team hasn't wavered on this guy. Keon Coleman, this guy's wheelhouse is playing above the rim. He's custom-made to catch passes from a QB like Josh Allen. :)
 
rockaction said:
He signed a one-year, 5.2-million-dollar extension. That doesn’t sound too franchise-y to me, and I want him to do well on my dynasty squad.

But the numbers are the numbers.

Oh, it’s an ERFA (Exclusive Rights Free Agent) contract. That’s probably a good contract for an ERFA. I’m not an expert on those deals. Sounds pretty spendy to what they normally get. I don’t think you get any leverage when you’re an ERFA.

www.nbcsports.com

Saints, Rashid Shaheed agree to new deal

The Saints are keeping one of their key contributors around for at least another season.
www.nbcsports.com www.nbcsports.com


eta* sounds like they just offer league minimum per experience in ERFA situations. Maybe with some cake on top, but I doubt it. I do not know what it all means for Rashid’s future (that’s what I’m trying to say here). Because I was going to question the length or duration of it, but who knows? The Saints might be able to make the same deal next year at the club’s option. I don’t honestly know.
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I agree, the money is not Franchise-y. but you and I both know they pay you in the NFL mostly for what you have already done. In his case, he hasnt done a lot.... yet.

but hes flashed plenty. and I love players who are in contract years on a prove-it deal. I do think he has something to prove.

the question is.... how big will his stats jump. at his ADP I like him. Thats all I'll say about that.
 
pecorino said:
So under-rated. Drafted super late in my draft. I get that he is boom or bust but he's a young speedster that just produces. Maybe he'll get some love this year.
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Lets not get too excited. its only one game.

but if he can consistently perform like this, he will be a steal for whoever drafted him. a massive steal
 
Ray_T said:
pecorino said:
So under-rated. Drafted super late in my draft. I get that he is boom or bust but he's a young speedster that just produces. Maybe he'll get some love this year.
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Lets not get too excited. its only one game.

but if he can consistently perform like this, he will be a steal for whoever drafted him. a massive steal
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I can nearly guarantee he has another great game like this……the next time he plays my hapless panthers
 
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Ray_T said:
pecorino said:
So under-rated. Drafted super late in my draft. I get that he is boom or bust but he's a young speedster that just produces. Maybe he'll get some love this year.
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Lets not get too excited. its only one game.

but if he can consistently perform like this, he will be a steal for whoever drafted him. a massive steal
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It's not just one game. He had over 700 yards last year and 5TDs, clearly building on his progress in year one.
 
I have Olave on one roster and put a bid on Shaheed this week. He has better chemistry with Carr, and I think there's a real chance for more positive growth this season.
 
pecorino said:
Ray_T said:
pecorino said:
So under-rated. Drafted super late in my draft. I get that he is boom or bust but he's a young speedster that just produces. Maybe he'll get some love this year.
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Lets not get too excited. its only one game.

but if he can consistently perform like this, he will be a steal for whoever drafted him. a massive steal
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It's not just one game. He had over 700 yards last year and 5TDs, clearly building on his progress in year one.
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:yes: i would have a hard time trusting him as my WR3 but in best ball I’d be all over it.
as a UDFA from Weber state, he’s done very well. One could argue he’s been a top 5 WR from the 2022 draft class.
 
-OZ- said:
pecorino said:
Ray_T said:
pecorino said:
So under-rated. Drafted super late in my draft. I get that he is boom or bust but he's a young speedster that just produces. Maybe he'll get some love this year.
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Lets not get too excited. its only one game.

but if he can consistently perform like this, he will be a steal for whoever drafted him. a massive steal
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It's not just one game. He had over 700 yards last year and 5TDs, clearly building on his progress in year one.
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:yes: i would have a hard time trusting him as my WR3 but in best ball I’d be all over it.
as a UDFA from Weber state, he’s done very well. One could argue he’s been a top 5 WR from the 2022 draft class.
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hes for sure a better best ball candidate. nice matchup play for normal fantasy on selected weeks. We shall see. hes young so still likely to improve from last year.
 
Another seventy-yard touchdown. 19.30 PPR points so far with return yardage. Wonder how long he'll be returning kicks at this rate.
 
Looking great - I didn't start him in one league over Nabors or Waddle or Kincaid - will be thinking strongly about it next week!
 
I know it looks great now, but wait until he gets you single digits for the next 3-4 weeks.

These deep threats will get you everytime. 👀 Goes off on the bench, dud in your lineup.


If you started this guy the last two weeks, you're a genius.
 
ilianawindfae said:
I know it looks great now, but wait until he gets you single digits for the next 3-4 weeks.

These deep threats will get you everytime. 👀 Goes off on the bench, dud in your lineup.


If you started this guy the last two weeks, you're a genius.
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This is what I'm worried about. Feel like I need to finally put him in next week. Don't feel good about that.
 
Deamon said:
ilianawindfae said:
I know it looks great now, but wait until he gets you single digits for the next 3-4 weeks.

These deep threats will get you everytime. 👀 Goes off on the bench, dud in your lineup.


If you started this guy the last two weeks, you're a genius.
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This is what I'm worried about. Feel like I need to finally put him in next week. Don't feel good about that.
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I wouldn’t be forcing him into my lineup, but he’s super comforting on my bench. This early in the season, you should still have better options.

I need at least another games worth of evidence to start him. Very promising change in the offense though
 
I have only been watching from the stat pages, but he has been trending up since last season, this continued growth used to be a sign of things to come in the old days when it took 3 years to judge a WR. This is his 2nd year with Carr and with Olave doing the dirty work underneath and getting the number one corners I assume will continue to show good things if Carr continues to deal, there is also a new OC here so maybe he has figured out how to unlock Shaheed. IMHO he has emerged as a WR3 and a nice matchup when he's at home and bears watching very closely over the next few weeks.
 
3nOut said:
Injuries at RB are making me consider trading him. What kind of RB can you expect in return?
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My opinion is that he is a boom bust receiver who has boomed but doesn’t have a complete route tree like Olave. Maybe you can convince someone he’s the real #1 in NOLA because I don’t think he is or ever will be if Olave is there.

He’s DeSean Jackson and is a nice tool to have on your fantasy squad if you like to gamble and need extra juice every season.

Maybe you can get a B ROB type for him. Someone who has high some good performances but nothing eye popping even though it feels like B Rob’s best games are yet to come.
 
TampaMike19 said:
3nOut said:
Injuries at RB are making me consider trading him. What kind of RB can you expect in return?
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My opinion is that he is a boom bust receiver who has boomed but doesn’t have a complete route tree like Olave. Maybe you can convince someone he’s the real #1 in NOLA because I don’t think he is or ever will be if Olave is there.

He’s DeSean Jackson and is a nice tool to have on your fantasy squad if you like to gamble and need extra juice every season.

Maybe you can get a B ROB type for him. Someone who has high some good performances but nothing eye popping even though it feels like B Rob’s best games are yet to come.
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I think you're really underselling Shaheed, not only on his talent which to be fair is still up for debate, but also how the Saints use him. He's not DJax. He took 40% of his snaps from the slot last year, and 7% from the backfield (which might end up even higher this year). He lines up at every position on the field for them. And even though he's lighter at 180lbs, he's 6ft and a beast off the line against press. Yeah they ran him down field on nearly 50% of his routes last season, but 1. that makes his success rates against press and man coverage even more impressive, and 2. despite not running them as often, his success rates on slants, digs, curls were all fantastic. So it's not a skill issue. Even as a down field threat, he doesn't need his speed and broken coverages to find success; he was 70%+ on his contested catches. He's not a situational, boom or bust guy if they keep increasing his targets. As he and Carr grow their rapport, I expect those targets to increase. And regardless, even taking away all WR TDs, he's still scoring in fantasy as a low end WR1 right now. I think mid WR2 is a comfortable floor for him on the season at this point with 2 additional weeks of info to add to last years numbers.
 
Got him on 1/4th of my redraft teams and have not put him in a lineup yet on any team. Just want to say sorry in advance because being a day late and a dollar short is how I roll in fantasy, but he's graduated to starter.
 
I know this is a stupid question but I got this offer this morning after winning Carson Steele on waivers:

Shaheed and Chubb
for
Steele and Downs

I know I should smash accept this but I'm hesitant because Shaheed hasn't really been on my radar and I'm not sure I believe Chubb ever returns even close to what he was before at his age. Am I an idiot for even waffling on this?
 
ATB said:
I know this is a stupid question but I got this offer this morning after winning Carson Steele on waivers:

Shaheed and Chubb
for
Steele and Downs

I know I should smash accept this but I'm hesitant because Shaheed hasn't really been on my radar and I'm not sure I believe Chubb ever returns even close to what he was before at his age. Am I an idiot for even waffling on this?
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I’d probably take Shaheed alone over both of those guys.
 
ATB said:
I know this is a stupid question but I got this offer this morning after winning Carson Steele on waivers:

Shaheed and Chubb
for
Steele and Downs

I know I should smash accept this but I'm hesitant because Shaheed hasn't really been on my radar and I'm not sure I believe Chubb ever returns even close to what he was before at his age. Am I an idiot for even waffling on this?
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I'd take that if I was in your position. Downs is on a team with a bad offense, and Steele could easily be someone we've forgotten by week 10. Shaheed is a regular part of a good offense, and Chubb has been very good before and may be again.
 
Josh Downs? He was a WR3 last year as a rookie.

I would call that even.

FBG calc has it slightly for Shaheed's side. By like .6 in a standard, 12-team PPR league that is TE Prem.

Shaheed and Chubb kill it on KeepTradeCut.

One question, maybe two: Do you trust guys Downs's size to ever be a WR1? Do you trust guys whose aDOT is as great as Shaheed's to ever be a WR1?

Then you've got Chubb and Steele to contend with. Nick Chubb might have played his last down. Ever.
 
rockaction said:
Other than we really put those in a different section of the forum. Like the dynasty value thread.
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Sorry, should have specified. Not dynasty. This is redraft. 12 team PPR, 3WR and flex. Also first year of keepers.

I have CMC, Breece, and Gibbs. But I’m weak at WR: DJMoore, Sutton, and a rotating mix of jags.

If CMC comes back, Steele won’t ever see my roster again. But Rasheed could potentially be a season long WR 2/3.

EDIT: Did it. Traded Steele and Downs for Shaheed and Chubb. Thanks for the advice.
 
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What are we thinking, Dynasty-wise, where this guy should be ranked right now? Young, speed only a few in the league possess and seems to have really good hands. Reminds me of an Eagle from this century...
 
Terpman22 said:
What are we thinking, Dynasty-wise, where this guy should be ranked right now? Young, speed only a few in the league possess and seems to have really good hands. Reminds me of an Eagle from this century...
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He's WR36 on KTC. We will see how he finishes the year.

He's WR4 in my league, which gives return yards. He's probably a WR1 right now in other leagues, too. Mine's full PPR. He's WR10 overall right now. In classic leagues, he's likely WR6 or something like that. Oh wow, he is WR6 overall in classic leagues.

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Andy Hicks from FBG, who has him at 51 (FBG, that is, has him there, which is too low, IMO) says (subscriber content, please subscribe):

Andy Hicks on Sep 19​

Shaheed might be good. Undrafted when entering the league, he made people notice with highlight reel plays over his first two years. This year, Shaheed has earned a vital role. He has started the season with touchdowns in consecutive games. He is proving himself to be one of the best deep threats in the league. His fantasy numbers will be better than anyone expected entering the season.

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Hicks has him at 43.
 
If he’s a perennial 65–1000-7 player, I mean that is valuable but is it league winning? He’s a nice player in dynasty that can serve a purpose but I bet you can acquire him for less than what he is worth
 
ATB said:
rockaction said:
Other than we really put those in a different section of the forum. Like the dynasty value thread.
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Sorry, should have specified. Not dynasty. This is redraft. 12 team PPR, 3WR and flex. Also first year of keepers.

I have CMC, Breece, and Gibbs. But I’m weak at WR: DJMoore, Sutton, and a rotating mix of jags.

If CMC comes back, Steele won’t ever see my roster again. But Rasheed could potentially be a season long WR 2/3.

EDIT: Did it. Traded Steele and Downs for Shaheed and Chubb. Thanks for the advice.
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How do you have CMC, Hall and Gibbs in a 12 team redraft?
 
TampaMike19 said:
If he’s a perennial 65–1000-7 player, I mean that is valuable but is it league winning? He’s a nice player in dynasty that can serve a purpose but I bet you can acquire him for less than what he is worth
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Price is too high right now. Give it a few games and see. He's not perennial anything because this is Year 3 of his career and he was a UDFA. People are hoping that makes for a traditional three-year breakout (which is when it used to happen for WRs). Now, since I've been playing if a guy doesn't break out by Year 3 he's generally cooked. But people are hoping that this time and in this situation it is different.

I am unsure because it seems possible that he might break out Year 3. Then you've got a true asset on your hands rather than a nice thought and a couple of games.

That's the thinking of those of us who roster him.
 
zoonation said:
ATB said:
rockaction said:
Other than we really put those in a different section of the forum. Like the dynasty value thread.
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Sorry, should have specified. Not dynasty. This is redraft. 12 team PPR, 3WR and flex. Also first year of keepers.

I have CMC, Breece, and Gibbs. But I’m weak at WR: DJMoore, Sutton, and a rotating mix of jags.

If CMC comes back, Steele won’t ever see my roster again. But Rasheed could potentially be a season long WR 2/3.

EDIT: Did it. Traded Steele and Downs for Shaheed and Chubb. Thanks for the advice.
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How do you have CMC, Hall and Gibbs in a 12 team redraft?
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Breece and Gibbs were keepers. Picked CMC with the 1st pick.
 
This is not to say he's going to be great for fantasy but is more for just general kicks. Punt returners (like Shaheed) tend to be good at tracking hanging, moving spiral (and non-spiral) high-trajectory balls in the air. It's a skill, and it's a tough one. Lots of receivers don't really ever totally acquire it.

Like I said in another thread, per Twitter (I cannot find the source) I think both of Shaheed's touchdowns have come off of balls that traveled forty-five or so plus yards in the air. That's remarkable. The latest one was fifty-five, and the other one I'm unsure of but it totaled fifty-nine for the score. Just crazy stuff.

Guy can track some floating objects, that's for sure.

eta* Thing is though, that's not where most fantasy production comes from (to tie it back). It makes your day when it does, but so much of that depends upon the line and the QB that your receiver is very dependent upon those variables, and we like guys that take away those variables in their twenty-plus point days because when those guys that score twenty-plus on the reg hit they hit with a few bombs and give you week-winning thirty-five and forty point games once or—maybe, God love 'em—more a year.

That's what I've seen in my time (which isn't that long, but long enough).
 
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