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WR Stefon Diggs, NE (3 Viewers)

This is a great buy low opportunity (maybe the last one) if you had trouble prying him away after his first two weeks. He will have volume issues but talent-wise, he is the real deal. This injury and his couple of down weeks could make him a realistic buy candidate in some dynasty leagues. 

I just managed to get him (finally). 

Gave Treadwell, devy-weakened 2017 mid 1st (between 5-7, Potential Points to slot non-playoff teams makes this is a sure thing) and 2018 devy pick for Diggs.

Its a good amount of value considering the Treadwell hype/potential and the value his name holds but I was comfortable paying it. Diggs is very for real and betting on him means betting against Treadwell in some small way anyways, and vice-versa, so the swap made sense to us.

 
dipandglide said:
Where are we ranking Diggs in dynasty? Is he in the KBenj/moncrief tier? Higher? Can he be a legit fantasy WR1? I haven't watched him enough and would love some thoughts. 
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Bro you have been posting in this thread all the way back to last November, maybe even before that. How have you still not watched him? 

I just went back through this whole thread looking for clips of all of Diggs targets. I thought that was out there somewhere in one place but I couldn't find it.

Here is what I did find.

SSND This has cuts ups of some of Diggs's games from last season.

Stefon Diggs Highlights (Midseason) | NFL 2015

Vikings’ Stefon Diggs’ Four-Game, 419-yard Breakout Rookie Performance

All of the Vikings 2016 condensed games here

Early on in the 2015 preseason Mike Wallace compared Diggs to Antonio Brown. That seemed like hype to me at the time, but Diggs has shown Wallaces comparison to be a pretty accurate one.

I am not sure what the Benjamin//Moncrief tier is? This is a thing?

I think Diggs is a more technically sound WR than either of them FWIW but the offense may not provide the same opportunity.

Without Peterson though, the Vikings must throw the ball more, if they want to or not.They are averaging 32 pass attempts per game so far and Diggs has been targeted on 26.6% of those attempts at 8.5 targets per game.This would be 136 targets over a full season which is enough opportunity to match WR in offenses throwing the ball 36+ times a game.

Diggs eclipsed 1000 yards receiving in his first 16 games. Most of those games were in his rookie season.

He has a career catch rate of 66% so at a 8.5 targets/game pace that would be 89.5 receptions over 16 games.

He has a career yards per reception of 14.2 so with 89 receptions this would be 1270 yards.

He hasn't scored that many TD only 5 in 17 games.

As most of these numbers occurred in his rookie season, I think it is reasonable to expect some improvement as he gains more experience.

So is 89 receptions 1270 yards and 5 TD in the Benjamin/Moncrief tier?

This would depend on the scoring system as well. Benjamin has shown the ability to score more TD than Diggs does but Diggs is more likely to have more receptions than Benjamin.

I am not sure Moncrief has proven enough for me to use his performance as any sort of benchmark for comparison. He has looked to be a great prospect, but he has barely played with Luck and so trying to project for him is more based on potential and hype than actual performance. He did well in his second season, but most of that was with Hasselbeck as the QB. I really don't feel comfortable about projecting for him based off of what he did in that situation last season.

I do think Diggs is capable of being a WR 1 in fantasy, but as long as Zimmer is the coach and defense is playing well I would only consider him as a WR 2 as far as his upside. At worst he is a strong WR 3.

He wont play in the next game though so his end of year stats already going to be lower than the pace stats. On a per game basis he averages between 4.5 and 5.6 receptions per game, which is good enough to consider him a start any week he is healthy.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
This is a great buy low opportunity (maybe the last one) if you had trouble prying him away after his first two weeks. He will have volume issues but talent-wise, he is the real deal. This injury and his couple of down weeks could make him a realistic buy candidate in some dynasty leagues. 

I just managed to get him (finally). 

Gave Treadwell, devy-weakened 2017 mid 1st (between 5-7, Potential Points to slot non-playoff teams makes this is a sure thing) and 2018 devy pick for Diggs.

Its a good amount of value considering the Treadwell hype/potential and the value his name holds but I was comfortable paying it. Diggs is very for real and betting on him means betting against Treadwell in some small way anyways, and vice-versa, so the swap made sense to us.
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Biabreakable said:
Bro you have been posting in this thread all the way back to last November, maybe even before that. How have you still not watched him? 

I just went back through this whole thread looking for clips of all of Diggs targets. I thought that was out there somewhere in one place but I couldn't find it.

Here is what I did find.

SSND This has cuts ups of some of Diggs's games from last season.

Stefon Diggs Highlights (Midseason) | NFL 2015

Vikings’ Stefon Diggs’ Four-Game, 419-yard Breakout Rookie Performance

All of the Vikings 2016 condensed games here

Early on in the 2015 preseason Mike Wallace compared Diggs to Antonio Brown. That seemed like hype to me at the time, but Diggs has shown Wallaces comparison to be a pretty accurate one.

I am not sure what the Benjamin//Moncrief tier is? This is a thing?

I think Diggs is a more technically sound WR than either of them FWIW but the offense may not provide the same opportunity.

Without Peterson though, the Vikings must throw the ball more, if they want to or not.They are averaging 32 pass attempts per game so far and Diggs has been targeted on 26.6% of those attempts at 8.5 targets per game.This would be 136 targets over a full season which is enough opportunity to match WR in offenses throwing the ball 36+ times a game.

Diggs eclipsed 1000 yards receiving in his first 16 games. Most of those games were in his rookie season.

He has a career catch rate of 66% so at a 8.5 targets/game pace that would be 89.5 receptions over 16 games.

He has a career yards per reception of 14.2 so with 89 receptions this would be 1270 yards.

He hasn't scored that many TD only 5 in 17 games.

As most of these numbers occurred in his rookie season, I think it is reasonable to expect some improvement as he gains more experience.

So is 89 receptions 1270 yards and 5 TD in the Benjamin/Moncrief tier?

This would depend on the scoring system as well. Benjamin has shown the ability to score more TD than Diggs does but Diggs is more likely to have more receptions than Benjamin.

I am not sure Moncrief has proven enough for me to use his performance as any sort of benchmark for comparison. He has looked to be a great prospect, but he has barely played with Luck and so trying to project for him is more based on potential and hype than actual performance. He did well in his second season, but most of that was with Hasselbeck as the QB. I really don't feel comfortable about projecting for him based off of what he did in that situation last season.

I do think Diggs is capable of being a WR 1 in fantasy, but as long as Zimmer is the coach and defense is playing well I would only consider him as a WR 2 as far as his upside. At worst he is a strong WR 3.

He wont play in the next game though so his end of year stats already going to be lower than the pace stats. On a per game basis he averages between 4.5 and 5.6 receptions per game, which is good enough to consider him a start any week he is healthy.
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Great post, sir! Thanks. I'll check out some of those clips you posted.

I followed some of the early hype last year and then didn't follow too closely as he faded down the stretch. 

FBG writers Waldman, and Harmon, broke down dynasty WR's into tiers. So, I was referring to that I guess. 

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=harmon_postdraft_dynasty_rankings_WR16

It's a bit outdated as things move/change quickly in football. But it gives you an idea about what I was referring to if you hadn't checked it out. 

Thanks again for the breakdown/cliffs

 
Yeah I am not speaking that language where very different players would be considered in the same tier or what that is based on. 

I do speak the language of what is a WR 1 (there are usually about 20 of those even though there can only be 12) what is a WR 2 (there are about 40-50 of those even though there can only be 12) and what a WR 3 is (there are about 100 of those even though there can only be 12).

 
Oddly enough in my 10 team PPR Diggs was just dropped yesterday after being held these last few weeks. Ive been holding onto the #1 WW for pretty much all season and want to pull the trigger on him, but my WR depth (ARob, Jordy, Demaryius, Baldwin, Maclin, Britt) makes me pause, although we're able to start up to 4 WRs. Hmm..

Im hoping Diggs is close to 100% and back in the lineup this week as I desperately need him in other leagues.

 
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Listening to Zimmer he talks about Diggs getting extra attention in the Giants game where Diggs played hampered. He didn't do as much but he still caught 5 of 7 targets for 47 yards. The Vikings did use him more as a decoy however and Bradford got the ball to other receivers such as Charles Johnson, Patterson, Rudolph. Diggs did play on 69 (93%) of those snaps.

I don't think this will be the same scenario as when he played through the injury, as he has had two full weeks of rest and practiced 3 days in a row.

 
I couldn't really see Diggs much. I mostly was seeing a sea of greenish black racing by the Vikings offensive linemen unblocked.

I am going to assume that players were well covered in the short game and that is why Bradford kept holding the ball unlike what he has done in the other 4 weeks he played with the team.

Not sure if the injury is hampering Diggs from getting open early in the route or not. I know he did get interfered with early on in the game but there was no call.

 
Not in my opinion, but their offense will struggle to remain viable with the injuries to the OL. Losing Kalil and Andre Smith changes the way the offense meshes, and I think the passing game takes the biggest hit.

Diggs will always have the potential for 10/150/1 and more, but I think he'll see a heavy dose of 4/40s and 2/12s along the way, making him a frustrating player to try to start.

Roethlisberger got dropped in my league due to the bye weeks/4-6 week timeline concern, so I'm likely dropping Diggs for Big Ben in hopes he'll be back next weekend to cover my Brady bye week.

 
Can the OLine do enough to provide a slight re-emergence of Diggs tonight?

I continue to start him, mainly out of not having a better option at WR2. But, my patience is wearing thin.

 
Larry Fitzgerald includes Stefon Diggs on a list of great NFL receivers

Then he was asked what separates athletically gifted wide receivers from those that have the tools and put them to use to produce results year after year after year. The reporter was referring to Fitzgerald, whose numbers at age 33 – 68 catches for 687 yards and 5 touchdowns in 9 games – would seem to belie the fact that he’s in his 13[SIZE=13.3333px]th[/SIZE] NFL season.

“A lot of that has to do with just your preparation and how you’re built,” he said.

Perhaps he was just being modest, but he listed a group of great wideouts who have those two intersecting traits and he didn’t include himself on the list. Oh, and he put a certain Vikings wide receiver in some awfully elite company.

“These guys now — with the Stefon Diggses and the Julio Joneses and the Antonio Browns and Odell Beckhams and A.J. Greens of the world – I mean, these guys are physical specimens, they can run, they can jump. But you can tell that those kind of skills are not just – you don’t just roll out of bed with those skills. Those are skills that have been honed and sharpened over the years.

“And I think that’s why you see those guys have the success they’re able to because they work at their craft and I think that’s a great sign. The receiver position in the National Football League is in a very strong place right now.
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Diggsey will have a tough test against Peterson and company. 

 
Peak said:
Any updates on his return from injury? 
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He practiced today as "limited".  Good sign though.  Hopefully, he is real close to 100% by Wed since the Vikes play on Thursday this week.  Thursday games need to go. 

 
DocHolliday said:
He practiced today as "limited".  Good sign though.  Hopefully, he is real close to 100% by Wed since the Vikes play on Thursday this week.  Thursday games need to go. 
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Read a report last night saying he was "dancing" on the sidelines before/during practice.  So I guess he is good to go for Thursday if he is loose enough to do the macarena between running routes!  :thumbup:

 
Peak said:
Read a report last night saying he was "dancing" on the sidelines before/during practice.  So I guess he is good to go for Thursday if he is loose enough to do the macarena between running routes!  :thumbup:
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How is his matchup against the Cowboy secondary?

 
ex-ghost said:
What is the word on Diggs tonight? Anyone see him in warmups?
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All NFLN reporters/annoucers have been saying active/playing. Hints that MINN will be looking downfield tonight.

I am starting him (over Watkins), but not super confident. Feels like a boom/bust deal.

 
The match-up is sweet. And the Vikings cannot afford to play like they have been, Much worse teams than Dallas have knocked them off recently.

 
While watching the game last night there were several times Diggs appeared to be open and Bradford didn't even look his direction.  Diggs was running intermediate to deep routes often and Bradford constantly hit the shallow routes without even looking at Diggs.

As a Diggs owner it was frustrating but PPR scoring wasn't bad.  

 
Rodeojones said:
While watching the game last night there were several times Diggs appeared to be open and Bradford didn't even look his direction.  Diggs was running intermediate to deep routes often and Bradford constantly hit the shallow routes without even looking at Diggs.

As a Diggs owner it was frustrating but PPR scoring wasn't bad.  
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if you ask Andy D he will probably say it was likely due to a defender having an arm in his face so it's not Bradford's fault at all.

As an objective viewer, yes I agree. Bradford started out hot and he has quickly fallen back to earth to prove he's nothing special and won't make the big plays. it's very frustrating as a Diggs owner I agree. I have to think a lot of it lies with the fact that Bradford was thrown on this team suddenly and expected to gel with the offense. that takes a long time. 

 
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Rodeojones said:
While watching the game last night there were several times Diggs appeared to be open and Bradford didn't even look his direction.  Diggs was running intermediate to deep routes often and Bradford constantly hit the shallow routes without even looking at Diggs.

As a Diggs owner it was frustrating but PPR scoring wasn't bad.  
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In non-PPR formats Diggs is a non-factor. Not sure if it is still the residual effects of Norv Turner running out the door, but this offense has been reduced to 3-4 yards and a cloud of dust. In PPR Diggs is a fine flex play... easy to see 8-9 catches/week, 40-60 yds, maybe another TD (or 2) before the end of the season.

Collinsworth nailed it last night. The Vikings need everything to go absolutely perfect and to keep converting 3rd and short in order to move the ball. It seems like the slightest setback (false start, illegal formation, or god forbid - holding) puts them in a hopeless down and distance.

That first game with Bradford looking downfield to Diggs feels like an eternity ago. Feel bad for the defense, but this team is cooked. ADP should not rush back for this.

 
Dr. Brew said:
if you ask Andy D he will probably say it was likely due to a defender having an arm in his face so it's not Bradford's fault at all.

As an objective viewer, yes I agree. Bradford started out hot and he has quickly fallen back to earth to prove he's nothing special and won't make the big plays. it's very frustrating as a Diggs owner I agree. I have to think a lot of it lies with the fact that Bradford was thrown on this team suddenly and expected to gel with the offense. that takes a long time. 
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If you're a true objective viewer you need to acknowledge that Bradford has to get rid of the bail very quickly to survive given the avalanche of injuries on the oline. This fact doesn't lend to throwing the ball down the field and that is not Bradford's fault. 

 
cap'n grunge said:
If you're a true objective viewer you need to acknowledge that Bradford has to get rid of the bail very quickly to survive given the avalanche of injuries on the oline. This fact doesn't lend to throwing the ball down the field and that is not Bradford's fault. 
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People have been saying this about Bradford every single year since the moment he got in the league. His OL's have always been flawed, but at some point a guy needs to use his feet a little or learn to stand his ground, plant, and hit a deeper route. I watch other QBs do it every week, and some of their OL's are awful. Now you could rightfully argue that due to his injury history this is not a smart play-style for Bradford--but that's just another downside of having him as the starting QB, not an excuse. 

Eventually regardless of his surroundings the guy needs to prove that he's not Alex Smith. Taking the checkdown every play is not entirely on the OL.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
People have been saying this about Bradford every single year since the moment he got in the league. His OL's have always been flawed, but at some point a guy needs to use his feet a little or learn to stand his ground, plant, and hit a deeper route. I watch other QBs do it every week, and some of their OL's are awful. Now you could rightfully argue that due to his injury history this is not a smart play-style for Bradford--but that's just another downside of having him as the starting QB, not an excuse. 

Eventually regardless of his surroundings the guy needs to prove that he's not Alex Smith. Taking the checkdown every play is not entirely on the OL.
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Do you have any idea just how many injuries the Vikings have had this year? It's not like they were great to begin with either. 

 
Vikes O-line is decimated! 11 different starters this year, 3 at each tackle position. I own Diggs and am not happy with the lack of downfield opportunities of late. But while I feel Bradford could try to do more with his legs, which he did rolling out on two plays back to back and completing passes, I can't put this all on him. That left tackle, Clemons I think his name is, he's going to get Bradford killed before the end of the season. Can't block Homer Simpson if he tried.

 
cap'n grunge said:
If you're a true objective viewer you need to acknowledge that Bradford has to get rid of the bail very quickly to survive given the avalanche of injuries on the oline. This fact doesn't lend to throwing the ball down the field and that is not Bradford's fault. 
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lots of qbs have this problem. you can't make excuses for the guy forever. 

 
Dr. Brew said:
lots of qbs have this problem. you can't make excuses for the guy forever. 
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No. not like this. Please go watch the tape. Specifically the LT. 

I would tend to agree Bradford takes the safer throw a bit too often but THE ISSUE on the MN offense is the protection. Also they can't run block worth ####. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
People have been saying this about Bradford every single year since the moment he got in the league. His OL's have always been flawed, but at some point a guy needs to use his feet a little or learn to stand his ground, plant, and hit a deeper route. I watch other QBs do it every week, and some of their OL's are awful. Now you could rightfully argue that due to his injury history this is not a smart play-style for Bradford--but that's just another downside of having him as the starting QB, not an excuse. 

Eventually regardless of his surroundings the guy needs to prove that he's not Alex Smith. Taking the checkdown every play is not entirely on the OL.
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Dr. Brew said:
lots of qbs have this problem. you can't make excuses for the guy forever. 
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Yep.  There were many times Thursday night he had 3-4 seconds of solid protection.  A guy like Brady or Brees can eviscerate a defense with that.  Sam's bigger problem is that the few times he does get that protection, no one can get open.  Diggs still isn't 100% and their other guys are awful.  Bradford is "fine"when everything is going well but he's not someone that's capable of carrying a team when they aren't.

 
Hankmoody said:
Yep.  There were many times Thursday night he had 3-4 seconds of solid protection.  A guy like Brady or Brees can eviscerate a defense with that.  Sam's bigger problem is that the few times he does get that protection, no one can get open.  Diggs still isn't 100% and their other guys are awful.  Bradford is "fine"when everything is going well but he's not someone that's capable of carrying a team when they aren't.
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this is what I'm getting at. yes the OL has major issues. yes the running game is terrible. yes his wrs aren't fully healthy. but a lot of people, Viking fans mostly, see Bradford as more than he really is because it's what they desperately want to see. gave up a lot to get him. he's a good qb. but he's not one who will put a team on his shoulders. 

 
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