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WR Stefon Diggs, NE (3 Viewers)
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NajehHejan
Footballguy
I thought the same thing, Collinsworth made the comparison as well. Not trying to get too ahead of myself, but we may have true fantasy gold here fellas.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
Made a big mistake not keeping him in my deep keeper league.
Loved the way he played last year, but I figured with (1) the drafting of Treadwell (2) Bridgewater's limitations and (3) the offense still running through AP that Diggs' upside would be limited.
Now all three aren't happening, opening to door for a big season by Diggs. :(
Loved the way he played last year, but I figured with (1) the drafting of Treadwell (2) Bridgewater's limitations and (3) the offense still running through AP that Diggs' upside would be limited.
Now all three aren't happening, opening to door for a big season by Diggs. :(
Hankmoody
Footballguy
shadrap
Footballguy
Nice to be right every so often, but it is only two games. Went against the grain & started him over Montcrief(at Denver) in 3 leagues. Trust me, normally those kind of roster management moves by me do NOT pan out. Hope a few of you had him going & watched him catch almost everything.
Frank Black
Footballguy
It was painful yesterday afternoon watching Wallace and Shepard have good days, knowing that I benched them for Diggs in my PPR, but he seemed solidified as the top Vikes option.
Most of us drafted him as a #3 with #2 upside. Every game won't be like the first 2 games, but it's safe to say he has a great shot at out producing our original expectations by a decent margin.
Most of us drafted him as a #3 with #2 upside. Every game won't be like the first 2 games, but it's safe to say he has a great shot at out producing our original expectations by a decent margin.
massraider
Footballguy
Even leaving aside the production, just watching him, it is clear, he's a good WR.
Has made several special, acrobatic catches. He's for real.
Has made several special, acrobatic catches. He's for real.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I felt pretty good about Diggs but I too had him on the bench with AJ Green, Baldwin and Crabtree starting. Obviously, my roster management sucks.
Frank Black
Footballguy
I do wish he would calm down a little though. The mouthing off after catch, and running on the field with no helmet during a skirmish is unnecessary. The coach needs to get him settled down.
Frank Black
Footballguy
I don't se how that was bad management. Going into last night, it was still unknown what chemistry Bradford would have with Diggs, even though he was the top option.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Glad I started him again. Before the game, I was offered Ryan Mathews straight up for him in PPR dynasty. I declined.
Dondante
Footballguy
I'm not sure if that's a dig or if you're offering support. Either way I feel good about having drafted him and having 'difficult' decisions to make from week to week. My roster management is usually pretty terrible which is why I spend time here. Here's hoping Diggs continues the upward trend.DocHolliday said:
DocHolliday
Footballguy
As you can see from my posts in early Sept, I s always pretty high on Diggs. I do not expect Diggs to have many games like last night but he looks like a really good football player. He passed the eyeball test last season. I thought Baldwin was overrated this season but he fell to me and I could not pull the trigger to sit him. There is a lesson for all of us. Go with your gut.Frank Black said:
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Nobody feel bad....I played Eli Rogers over him thinking it would take Bradford a few games to have any chemistry. Only a difference of 35 points. I am a FF wizard.DocHolliday said:
Rodeojones
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I was offering support since I too left Diggs on the bench even though I have been high on him. Diggs is in the line up this week.
Dondante
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Yes, having too many quality WRs is a good problem to have. Unfortunately, my RB situation is a real problem. Good luck next weekend.
Dondante
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
Moonshine
Footballguy
I wasn't a Diggs owner last year, and admittedly didn't watch much of him in 2015, but can anyone that is familiar with his 2015 season speak to why you believe there was such a significant drop off after the first few games last year?
Looking at the stat lines (which obviously don't tell the whole story), he looked as good as he does this season, if not better, over the first four games last season, but then it looks like he completely fell off of a cliff. Obviously a Bridgewater/Peterson/Diggs offense will look substantially different than a Bradford/McKinnon/Diggs one, so an apples to apples comparison is difficult, but I'm curious to hear if anyone is anticipating/expecting/fearing a drop off similar to last year.
I love the talent, and will probably hold since he was a lottery ticket pick for me anyways and I enjoy watching him play, but am curious to hear if others worry about any kind of drop off in the coming weeks.
Looking at the stat lines (which obviously don't tell the whole story), he looked as good as he does this season, if not better, over the first four games last season, but then it looks like he completely fell off of a cliff. Obviously a Bridgewater/Peterson/Diggs offense will look substantially different than a Bradford/McKinnon/Diggs one, so an apples to apples comparison is difficult, but I'm curious to hear if anyone is anticipating/expecting/fearing a drop off similar to last year.
I love the talent, and will probably hold since he was a lottery ticket pick for me anyways and I enjoy watching him play, but am curious to hear if others worry about any kind of drop off in the coming weeks.
shadyridr
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
It really looks like Diggs has the talent. It comes back to QB play. If Bradford plays well, Diggs will have a good season.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
There was another thread where discussion was focused on why Diggs performance fell off. The reasons are several, lack of pass protection, difficult match ups (not that he didn't do well against some good defenses like Denver and Kansas City, he was more a surprise to these teams. After awhile teams had some success with jamming him, because he was playing the X WR position for the most part at that time. More double teams will cause Teddy to look elsewhere. I never came to any conclusion about why completely and I still wonder.
It is mostly about volume however. During those first 4 weeks of Diggs playing, Bridgewater threw the ball 30 or more times in the game. Following that 21 and 22 pass attempts. Then Diggs gets 9 targets and 6 receptions in a loss to the Packers with Teddy throwing 37 times. Against Atlanta Peterson had 2 TD and they didn't need to pass much to win that game. Then they played Seattle and Arizona. Good man corners can do a better job of staying with him. Against the Giants Peterson and McKinnon had 3 TD. Against the Bears he scored twice so there wasn't a need for him to do more, other players were scoring as well. A whole bunch of coincidences and circumstances as much as a rookie wall or defenses figuring him out.
In those last 9 games Bridgewater only threw the ball over 30 times twice. At 30 pass attempts 9 targets is 30% of them. You need at least that and more like 32-35 pass attempts/game for the WR 1 to get 8-9 targets consistently. That hasn't been an issue yet with both Hill and Bradford going to the guy getting it done. Maybe he starts to draw more coverage now
Noah Davis
Footballguy
shadrap
Footballguy
exactly. his moves before & after the catch are A. Brown like, as are his hands. You just don't see him drop even suspect passes.
shadrap
Footballguy
the drop off was targets. last 9 games less than 5 targets per game. Targets should go up after last night, especially w/ Peterson maybe out for a while.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
The Vikings are averaging 32 pass attempts/game over the first two games. 118 total plays 59 plays/game 54% pass attempts.
Diggs has 20 targets over two games, so similar to the targets he was getting during his first four games of his rookie season.
With Teddy I was expecting about 130 total targets.which is just over 8 targets per game. I think he can still do that.
Diggs has 20 targets over two games, so similar to the targets he was getting during his first four games of his rookie season.
With Teddy I was expecting about 130 total targets.which is just over 8 targets per game. I think he can still do that.
VaTerp
Footballguy
They are both talented. In fact Long's HS coach said Long was the most talented player he ever had. And he went to the same high school with the same coach as Vernon and Vontae Davis, and Josh Cribbs.
But as a Terps homer, I always felt Diggs was significantly better. Not sure you can quantify it with measurables and Long actually has a slight size advantage. But Diggs has always flashed more when you saw him play. He plays faster, is more sudden, is a better route runner, and his game is just more mature overall. Long made some nice plays at MD. Diggs made game changing plays.
Like Diggs, Long dealt with injuries that cut his college career short. He also transferred, I think twice, before getting to MD and has had some character questions. Not sure how valid those are and I think Long could still make a roster at some point. But he's already 25 (2.5 years older than Diggs) and doesnt have the "it" factor that Diggs has always seemed to have from the time he set foot in College Park, and really going back to HS.
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VaTerp
Footballguy
I think he's improved his strength and will likely be better against press coverage this year but I don't think that was the main reason for the drop off in production.
I think this is more accurate. The Viking were a very low volume passing team last year and they had some weird game scripts in the 2nd half of the season that diminished his targets and offensive opportunities. They played very conservatively with Bridgewater and were able to get the running game going with Peterson.
This year, as we saw yesterday, I think they will open things up more.
tone1oc
Footballguy
shadrap
Footballguy
Whatever, WR1,WR2,WR3. He was drafted in ppr leagues around 9th to 12th rd so at that price it's all gravy.
jbradford787
Footballguy
I'm considering offering Cobb for him in a dynasty league to see what the owner says. Not sure how he will value them comparatively. He has said he wants at least 2 first round draft picks, for what that's worth.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I think now might be the time to buy high before you have to buy even higher or not at all. Take advantage of the residual offseason values hanging around in people's minds and pounce. It's probably gonna cost you but I think he's for real.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
How much would you give for Cobb in terms of draft picks?
If it is less than 2 1st round picks, then the difference is how much more he wants for Diggs over Cobb. Some folks might value Cobb as something more than a 1st round pick. Not sure on that. How many picks would it take for you to trade Cobb?
jbradford787
Footballguy
That's just it, I think I would want 2 firsts, maybe a first and a second if I were really wanting to move Cobb. So if he values them similarly, I would rather take a shot at Diggs.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
So try straight up for Cobb if you would rather have Diggs.
Doubt he goes for it. But that is a fair offer based on how you value Cobb.
